[00:42] <len-1304> zequence, we may be looking at a new version of xfce (8.12) for 13.10... before the scheduled alpha2.
[00:42] <len-1304> Sorry thats 4.12
[00:48]  * len-1304 must have been thinking of TK versions or something.
[01:24] <len-1304> Lumpy, how are you?
[03:13] <zequence> Len-nb: Plenty of version numbers to keep track of :)
[03:45] <len-1304> zequence,  Ya, I just hope none of the changes mess up my menu work to much.
[15:06] <ttoine> zequence, ping
[15:39] <zequence> ttoine: Hi. Long time no see. How are you man?
[15:39] <zequence> ttoine: Something I've forgotten to ask you by mail. Do you know who created the Ubuntu Studio version of the COF?
[15:41] <ttoine> the COF ???
[15:41] <ttoine> zequence, what is that ?
[15:41] <smartboyhw> ttoine: Centre of Friends
[15:41] <smartboyhw> our logo
[15:41] <zequence> Circle of Friends
[15:41] <ttoine> and would you have news from the artwork for the merchandising  ?
[15:41] <smartboyhw> Damn
[15:42] <smartboyhw> ttoine: Ask madeinkobaia…
[15:42] <ttoine> maybe it was cory but I am not sure
[15:42] <smartboyhw> He isn't here today…
[15:42] <ttoine> smartboyhw, yes, yerterday neither
[15:43] <smartboyhw> ttoine: Email?
[15:43] <zequence> ttoine: I haven't seen any new stuff from madeinkobaia, but he has been busy with other things for a while. He's responsible for the artwork, but of course, I will want to see the results before anything is finally decided
[15:44] <zequence> ttoine: I suppose it would be nice to get it started, and just get one or two products out. Then one can always add to that. I can ask madeinkobaia about that, then email you when we have something
[15:53] <DarkEra> hi guys
[15:53] <smartboyhw> Good night guys:P
[15:53] <DarkEra> sleep well smartboyhw :)
[16:02] <zequence> madeinkobaia made a first quick version for a t-shirt a few weeks ago http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ON-AIR/ubuntu-studio_webshop-layout_and_t-shirt_01_WIP_madeinkobaia.png
[16:02] <zequence> I suggested he add the slogan to the back "Linux for Creative Humans"
[16:03] <zequence> I think that would be a nice first t-shirt release. We could make a few different colors. At least white and black
[16:04] <zequence> But, then, I was thinking about a possible coffee mug, so if one would use white background, and the same artwork as on the t-shirt, then one side could be the CoF and the text "Ubuntu Studio", while the other would say "Linux for Creative Humans"
[16:04] <zequence> But, then I thought, maybe it could say something funny instead
[16:05] <zequence> like, "Coffee for Creative Humans"
[16:05] <zequence> any ideas?
[16:05] <DarkEra> ah yes, i know that one and remember you asked him to add that slogan
[16:06] <DarkEra> white and black would be ok to start with
[16:07] <DarkEra> "coffee for Creative Humans" sounds great to me
[16:10] <zequence> I've been polishing our website today. The info I had put on checksums on the download page was not great, so I updated that
[16:11] <zequence> Also, edited some text here and there, and changed the name for a page. I'm kind of preparing for a slight makeover for the 14.04 release
[16:11] <zequence> We'll have new artwork, and I'll want to update some things like how text is displayed
[16:12] <zequence> I've been preparing a youtube channel for us
[16:12] <zequence> Would be nice if we could get some tutorials set up for that. Just some short videos showing simple things, with text explaining what is happening
[16:13] <DarkEra> cool stuff! you've been very busy i must say. awesome
[16:14] <DarkEra> tutorials sounds great too and is a must have
[16:14] <DarkEra> i've been trying to follow some tutorials from others who explain ardour 2 for example
[16:16] <DarkEra> just had a look at the site that you updated, much better that way
[16:18] <ttoine> zequence, ok
[16:21] <DarkEra> hi ttoine :)
[16:21] <ttoine> hi DarkEra 
[16:23] <zequence> ttoine: I sent him mail about it. Maybe we can wrap this up in a week or two. I'll let you know
[16:23] <ttoine> ok, thanks
[16:24] <ttoine> zequence, I will be at Solution Linux in Paris at the end of May. You know if someone from the our community will be there too ?
[16:25] <zequence> ttoine: hmm, don't think so. Let me look that up..
[16:26] <zequence> ttoine: Looks fun :)
[16:26] <ttoine> I will be there for work, but if there is a way to meet some people in real life
[16:26] <zequence> Ah, cool
[16:26] <DarkEra> brb, reboot
[18:41] <zequence> finally working on patching pulseaudio. Let's see if it builds
[18:44] <zequence> DarkEra: I'm going to see about setting up a gnome desktop meta
[18:44] <zequence> I should have something ready by today which can be uploaded and built in a PPA
[18:46] <DarkEra> zequence: ok. Anything else i could do? I'm going to look at debian/conf again in a few anyway
[18:47] <DarkEra> i had too much going on last week so i need to catch up and back into it
[18:49] <DarkEra> hold on brb, switching to the laptop
[19:14] <zequence> DarkEra: I think once the code is in place, what you can do is just start using the resulting package, and then look at what packages could be removed, or added.
[19:14] <zequence> I mean, use the meta package for the desktop, and see if you want to remove or add any packages in it
[19:22] <DarkEra> so installing it on gnome that is?
[19:23] <DarkEra> i hope the two go to bed soon so i can concentrate myself a bit more. It's hectic i tell ya... lol
[19:24] <zequence> DarkEra: Set up a virtual box install of ubuntu minimal, using the netinstall. Make a snapshot, so you can roll back to that. Then, once the meta for the desktop is up in a PPA, just add it and install the desktop
[19:24] <zequence> I think that should be the easiest method of trying stuff out
[19:25] <zequence> 32bit http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:25] <zequence> amd64 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[19:26] <DarkEra> ok, i'll do that when the kids are gone to bed. Everything can be done from the dev setup i have i assume
[19:27] <DarkEra> downloading the images now
[19:27] <zequence> DarkEra: Yeah, you don't need to install anything else but virtualbox
[19:27] <DarkEra> ok cool :)
[20:17] <zequence> DarkEra: I have the meta in queue for building at my testing ppa, ppa:zequence/testing
[20:18] <zequence> Hasn't started yet, and there's no telling how long that may take
[20:18] <zequence> Could be a long wait
[20:22] <zequence> once I'm more comfortable with these packages, I'll set them up to autobuild once a day in a ubuntustudio-dev ppa
[20:40] <DarkEra> zequence, ok, thanks for letting know. By the way, i'll be back in 10 or 20 min, then i want to set up the VB. Should 15GB of space be enough for one setup?
[20:40] <DarkEra> also i hope wifi does the job while doing the netinstall
[20:43] <zequence> Virtualbox doesn't control your wifi, it just connects to it like an application (a virtual network card), so no problems there
[20:43] <zequence> 15GB sounds like more than enough
[20:44] <DarkEra> ok, thanks :)
[21:03] <DarkEra> ok, i'm back
[21:06] <DarkEra> zequence, should 512MB RAM be enough or should i take some more
[21:07] <zequence> DarkEra: Depends a bit on how much you have to spare
[21:07] <zequence> 1GB would be a lot better
[21:07] <DarkEra> i have 3GB on this laptop
[21:07] <zequence> 1GB then
[21:07] <DarkEra> ok
[21:08] <zequence> Just makes it difficult to run lots of apps at the same time, while running VB
[21:08] <len-1304> DarkEra, lots of machines only have 1G so that is enough.
[21:10] <zequence> not sure I like recent G+ changes
[21:10] <DarkEra> thanks guys
[21:10] <DarkEra> expect a lot of questions :)
[21:10] <DarkEra> VDI is the one i should take i guess
[21:11] <zequence> DarkEra: The default, with expanding HD space is good
[21:11] <zequence> That means, if the initial install is 4GB, the virtual hard disk will only be 4GB
[21:11] <zequence> The limit is just a maximum limit
[21:12] <zequence> DarkEra: Another thing I would adjust later is Graphic card memory size
[21:12] <zequence> It's usually very low
[21:12] <zequence> You don't need much, but might be good to increase it a little bit
[21:12] <DarkEra> ok
[21:16] <DarkEra> default video memory size is 12MB, 32 would do?
[21:17] <DarkEra> and i see extended features for 3D and 2D video acceleration
[21:18] <zequence> Increasing to 32 should be alright
[21:18] <DarkEra> ok, i set it to that
[21:18] <DarkEra> 3D and 2D needed?
[21:19] <zequence> Just leave them be
[21:19] <zequence> Don't think 3d is supported fully anyway
[21:20] <zequence> Once you've installed a ubuntu-minimal, meaning no desktop, just the basic tools, then use VB to take snapshot of it (haven't actually tried this myself yet - but should create a point in time to which you can return/revert later
[21:21] <DarkEra> Gonna take the 32bit iso first then and try to set that up. meaning CLI install only
[21:22] <zequence> Yep
[21:41] <DarkEra> holy crap, just logged into G+... now i know what you mean because i didn't see it before 
[22:16] <zequence> Very much phone and tablet orientated
[22:16] <DarkEra> yep
[22:17] <zequence> Must be busy days on the build servers. No packages building yet, so will have to wait until tomorrow
[22:21] <DarkEra> no problem, i just finished the 32bit cli install
[22:21] <DarkEra> so i'm going to set up the 64bit now
[22:22] <zequence> DarkEra: You don't absolutely need both, only if you want to
[22:22] <zequence> More a question on who much HD space you have
[22:25] <DarkEra> zequence, the dev partition i created is 74GB, on another 74GB partition i run Ubuntu Gnome and the 169GB partition i use for Ubuntu Studio 13.04 as my studio workstation
[22:27] <zequence> DarkEra: Ok, cause it would probably be just as good if you used the Ubuntu Gnome partition also for development, and the one you use for dev now, you could use for testing only
[22:28] <zequence> Testing needs to be reinstalled every now and then, and needs to be a clean Ubuntu Studio install, while the dev install just needs to be a fairly recent Ubuntu of any flavor
[22:28] <zequence> Also, I would keep a separate partition for files that you can share between installs
[22:29] <zequence> Or, just a folder in one of the partitions
[22:30] <DarkEra> for sharing files, wouldn't a external hard drive  be a option?
[22:32] <zequence> Sure. Doesn't really matter. I do that just to save space
[22:32] <zequence> I use the same partition for most of my user files on all installs
[22:32] <zequence> I create symlinks to the home partition, using a script, so I very quickly find myself at home with a new installation
[22:33] <zequence> The effort that goes into installing I like to keep at a minimum 
[22:33] <zequence> Quite time consuming
[22:35] <zequence> And I don't want to be moving around files all the time. Nice to have them all in one place. Most files don't need to be backed up. It's just so much work downloading or moving them around
[22:35] <DarkEra> that's something i'm not familiar with but i guess i'll learn that in time. It's a bit of a shame that after all these years of using linux i come to know that i know so little but yet find my way around.
[22:35] <zequence> I use the partition for a OS install mainly to keep system files
[22:36] <zequence> The home folder is more or less empty
[22:36] <DarkEra> i see :)
[22:36] <zequence> So, this way the partition only needs to be 20-40GB
[22:36] <zequence> Depends on how much you want to install on it
[22:37] <zequence> I might use 100GB for a dev partition, but only 40GB for a testing partition (or less)
[22:42] <DarkEra> i think it's ok with the setup i have now, as long as i can use one partition for music creation with a stable release it's fine with me. Things will change when i can get myself a new pc and use the laptop for testing and dev stuff
[22:42] <DarkEra> i'm glad that i could join in on the Ubuntu Studio project and offer my help. It's the testing that made me think more about getting involved in the development and learn actually learn something.
[22:45] <zequence> DarkEra: The step towards actually developing something is not that big after all, so I'm sure you'll be doing that in no time
[22:57] <DarkEra> zequence, time will tell, but we'll get there for sure. It's something i want to do :)
[22:59] <DarkEra> i haven't really been doing anything in all these years so i'm totally in for a challange like this
[22:59] <DarkEra> heya madeinkobaia :)
[23:00] <madeinkobaia> Hello darkera : )
[23:00] <DarkEra> how are you doing buddy?
[23:02] <madeinkobaia> darkera : I don't see any buddy in the user list, you mean "Buddy Miles" the musician ?
[23:03] <DarkEra> lol.. no. buddy as in good friend
[23:03] <DarkEra> :)
[23:07] <madeinkobaia> darkera : I am kiddin' you : ) I am fine thanks, and you, what's up ?
[23:08] <DarkEra> hahaha, i thought just now that you were teasing me a bit.. :D
[23:09] <madeinkobaia> ; )
[23:10] <DarkEra> i'm doing fine and the guys helped me to set up a VB install for testing the meta package when it's done building. Might be tomorrow though. Now i know how to set up a VB install of ubuntu it's a piece of cake.
[23:14] <madeinkobaia> Ok, great.
[23:17] <madeinkobaia> Well, see you darkera and all fellows. be back tomorrow : )
[23:17] <madeinkobaia> :)
[23:19] <DarkEra> ok laters :)
[23:53] <zequence> Made my first ITP bug reports on Debian. I'll be packagin pd-extended
[23:58] <DarkEra> trying to install the 64bit CLI but it seems it's just hanging there at the boot menu. i'm glad the 32bit worked though so nothing is lost