[02:32] <ahoneybun> Riddell: 
[02:32] <ahoneybun> ScottK: 
[04:23] <ScottK> ?
[05:41] <Mirv> Riddell: in plans, yes. lots to do before that but early access to 5.1 would be useful for the people
[06:04] <soee> good morning
[06:20] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon!
[06:29] <soee> hiho smartboyhw 
[09:02] <robertknight> Riddell: I've been looking into a JS crash in QtWebKit since U. 13.04 that affects 32-bit systems.  I've confirmed the problem is fixed by the patch on https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108991 which is included in QtWebKit 2.3.1 that carewolf tagged recently.  Will it be possible to get libqtwebkit4 updated in U 13.04?  Should I file a bug on Launchpad?
[09:03] <robertknight> There is also one other memory corruption issue affecting JS in QWK 2.3.0 which is fixed in 2.3.1.  It supposedly affects gmail.com on some systems.
[09:11] <Riddell> gosh,it's a robertknight 
[09:12] <Riddell> robertknight: yeah a bug on launchpad would be a good start
[09:13] <Riddell> robertknight: it's much easier to just add a patch then to upgrade to a whole new version for an SRU (it's all very conservative to avoid adding new bugs) but it might be possible
[09:14] <robertknight> Riddell: The patch itself is https://bug-108991-attachments.webkit.org/attachment.cgi?id=186726 (very small)
[09:14] <robertknight> That would work as well
[09:15] <Riddell> robertknight: yeah that's the sort of thing which passes through fairly easily (still takes a week though)
[09:15] <Riddell> robertknight: do you know if there's a similarly readable patch for the memory corruption issue?
[09:17] <robertknight> Riddell: I'm mistaken on that other issue - fix was https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,46660 but the ChangeLog entry there does appear in the sources for the libqtwebkit4 package
[09:18] <Riddell> robertknight: so no problem or problem not fixed?
[09:18] <robertknight> No problem AFAIK
[09:19] <Riddell> robertknight: groovy, if you report a bug on launchpad for the crash I'll do the stable release update for it
[09:39] <robertknight> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qtwebkit-source/+bug/1180731 (posted originally in #qtwebkit by mistake) - thanks!
[09:51] <Riddell> robertknight: what the heck is Mendeley Desktop?
[09:52] <robertknight> In a nutshell, "iTunes for research" - http://www.mendeley.com/features/
[09:53] <smartboyhw> Hi Riddell:)
[09:54] <robertknight> The JS code in question is a library called citeproc-js that generates formatted citations for inclusion in bibliographies (like LaTeX / BibTeX if you've ever used those)
[09:54] <Riddell> nifty
[10:09] <apachelogger> yay, SRUs
[10:09] <Riddell> everyone loves them
[10:09] <Riddell> what's the one we have outstanding that needs testin?
[10:10] <apachelogger> checking right now
[10:11] <apachelogger> oh they hijacked my kwin bug :(
[10:12] <apachelogger> bug 1177781 needs verification
[10:13] <apachelogger> homerun and kwin SRUs landed in updates, kscreen SRU just needs ubuntu-sru to move it
[10:42] <Riddell> robertknight: uploaded, now it needs approval from a friendly ~ubuntu-sru such as ScottK (hint hint)
[10:42] <Riddell> robertknight: then it'll need testing once it has build in raring
[10:42] <Riddell> robertknight: then after 7 days it can go into the wild
[10:43] <robertknight> Riddell: Cheers - I can arrange a beer delivery if that will expedite the process ;)
[10:43] <robertknight> As far as testing goes - that means me enabling the -proposed repo and checking that the fixed package works?
[10:44] <Riddell> robertknight: exactly, and saying so on the bug report
[10:45] <yofel> bug 1174689 needs verification too (and a second monitor to do so)
[10:49] <robertknight> Riddell: Ah, one other thing. I'm adding some code to my app to blacklist the affected version of QWK on 32-bit systems, as it will affect other distros shipping QtWebKit 2.3.0 as well.  I'm using qWebKitVersion() to detect the QWK version but presumably that won't have changed in the fixed package.
[10:54] <Riddell> robertknight: no it wouldn't be
[11:12] <shadeslayer> lololol
[11:13] <shadeslayer> 1178286 needs more patchery from upstream
[11:14] <Riddell> bug 1178286
[11:14] <Riddell> mm?
[11:14] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/+bug/1178286/comments/22
[11:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fancy updating the patches?
[11:17] <shadeslayer> yeah, will do in a bit
[11:23] <Riddell> thanks
[11:24] <yofel> shadeslayer: mind updating the updates and backports while you're at it?
[11:24] <shadeslayer> ah, 4.10.3 doesn't have that second commit :/
[11:24] <shadeslayer> hurray for such long support periods
[11:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: will do
[11:27] <yofel> thanks
[11:28] <yofel> (.3 didn't have the first one either for that matter ^^)
[11:28] <shadeslayer> uh, are you sure? IIRC that commit was made before .3 was tagged no?
[11:28] <shadeslayer> I could be wrong though, I don't remember exactly
[11:29] <shadeslayer> my internets is so slow :(
[11:30] <yofel> our changelog says otherwise
[11:31] <shadeslayer> something is downloading at 200 KBps @_@
[11:32] <shadeslayer> and I have no idea what
[11:32] <shadeslayer> ah, it was tomahawk
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:38] <Riddell> ubottu?
[11:52] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1177781 verification-done
[13:54] <soee> !package amarok
[13:54] <soee> oh you..
[13:54] <soee> !package raring amarok
[13:58] <ScottK> Riddell: released
[13:58] <ScottK> (kscreen too)
[13:58] <ScottK> afiestas_: ^^^ updated kscreen/libkscreen is in raring now.
[14:23] <yofel> !info amarok raring | soee
[14:25] <soee> thank you yofel 
[14:25] <soee> someone doing 2.7.1 package ?
[14:33] <yofel> soee: doesn't seem so looking at bug 1180576
[14:33] <yofel> want to learn some packaging? ^^
[14:34] <soee> yofel, in a free time sure :) i have 2 weeks projects delayed already :/ 
[14:34] <soee> so now my day is like 8-16 work, go home and work again :D
[14:36] <yofel> well, same for me lately :S
[14:36] <soee> its not a problem for me when its winter 
[14:36] <soee> but now the sun outside .. :)
[14:37] <yofel> rainy here :P
[14:50] <jessie_> Riddell: Hey, I'm back. 
[15:11] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:12] <soee> hiho
[15:12] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[15:13] <soee> lordievader, fantastic :D thanks,  you?
[15:13] <lordievader> Doing good too :)
[18:25] <ahoneybun> hey people
[18:32] <ahoneybun> valorie: apachelogger was right to use mediawiki, it has the export function but in truth the moinmoin site has it as well
[20:07]  * ahoneybun does not know what to do now
[21:29] <valorie> yes, I know about the mediawiki
[21:29] <valorie> however, that isn't in our namespace
[21:30] <valorie> my choice would be to do what we are doing, and figure out a good process for exporting to webpages for kubuntu.org, and to docbook for the kde helpcenter
[21:31] <valorie> but ahoneybun, you took the lead, so you decide which way you want to go, and I'll help
[21:42] <Riddell> jessie: hi
[21:43] <jessie> Riddell: Ready for the rest when you are.
[21:43] <jessie> Looks like I need to sign the package?
[21:44] <Riddell> jessie: groovy
[21:44] <Riddell> jessie: just ignore that, press control c or something to kill it
[21:44] <Riddell> but if it's asking for a gpg signature that means it has compiled and built the package, yay
[21:45] <jessie> Indeed it has.
[21:45] <Riddell> jessie: run dh_install --list-missing  to see if it has any newfiles
[21:46] <Riddell> jessie: check against debian/not-installed to see if there's anything extra
[21:49] <ahoneybun_> Hello?
[21:49] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun_ 
[21:50] <jessie> Riddell: Nothing that dh_install lists that is not in debian/not-installed
[21:51] <ahoneybun_> Hey I can't be there for the meeting on Monday, timezone issues
[21:51] <Riddell> jessie: excellent
[21:51] <Riddell> jessie: so check the .debs install with dpkg --install
[21:51] <Riddell> jessie: run lintian over the .deb and .dsc file to see if it complains about things
[21:51] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: I was talking with valorie about using a different wiki to export do book files
[21:51] <ahoneybun_> Docbook
[21:52] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: yep, got one in mind?
[21:52] <valorie> why would we need a different one though, if moin can do the job?
[21:52] <ahoneybun_> The official moinmoin wiki has the export function
[21:52] <valorie> we need to make this as simple as possible
[21:52] <ahoneybun_> I have a example in my branch
[21:52] <valorie> or it won't continue to get done
[21:53] <ahoneybun_> Yea I don't want to do more work if it will get us to our finial goal
[21:53] <ahoneybun_> Final
[21:54] <ahoneybun_> Will not
[21:54] <Riddell> so the ubuntu wiki can't export?
[21:55] <ahoneybun_> No it does have the feature for some reason
[21:55] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: valorie https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring
[21:56] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: so how's that exported?
[21:57] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: in the welcome folder there is a welcome. XML file
[21:57] <valorie> ahoneybun_: have you spoken with the canonical sysadmins about why export is blocked?
[21:57] <valorie> simplest would be if they turned on that feature again
[21:57] <Riddell> I suspect that won't be very fruitful
[21:58] <ahoneybun_> valorie: I have not, can you be at that meeting on Monday?
[21:58] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: yes but how is it exported?
[21:58] <valorie> if I can get mumble to stop screaming at me
[21:59] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: its in XML format
[21:59] <ahoneybun_> That's what I have so far
[21:59] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: is it exported from a wiki?
[21:59] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: yea
[22:00] <Riddell> jessie: apt-get -f install  to fix the install
[22:00] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: how if wiki.u.c doesn't support it?
[22:00] <jessie> Riddell: Probably we will get X and the like now. :-/ This poor instance.
[22:00] <Riddell> jessie: that's fine
[22:01] <Riddell> jessie: we'll throw away the ec2 when we're done anyway
[22:01] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: what?
[22:02] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: you said wiki.ubuntu.com doesn't do docbook export.  you said this is exported from a wiki.  how is it exported if the wiki doesn't do export?
[22:03] <ahoneybun_> The official moinmoin wiki has it
[22:03] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: what URL?
[22:03] <Riddell> jessie: groovy, I think we're all good to go
[22:04] <Riddell> jessie: in the package run  debuild -S   to make a source build
[22:04] <jessie> Riddell: Agreed. That's the output I expected to see.
[22:06] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: http://moinmo.in/Kubuntu-Docs/Raring
[22:06] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: groovy, how about just developing it on that wiki then?
[22:06] <Riddell> and export it to docbook and html for kubuntu.org when it's good to go
[22:06] <ahoneybun__> I was not sure if that was OK to do as its not my work
[22:07] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: can you check the welcome.XML to see if that is what we need first ?
[22:10] <jessie> Looks like your line and mine line got munged together there, Riddell. jessie@novassh-rsa should be jessie@nova\nssh-rsa ...
[22:12] <Riddell> jessie: ok I signed it
[22:12] <Riddell> jessie: the .changes file lists what's going to be uploaded, check it's all correct
[22:13] <Riddell> jessie: the changelog is ok, uploading to saucy, correct version, it's got the .orig
[22:14] <jessie> Yeah, it all looks correct to me.
[22:14] <Riddell> jessie: lovely
[22:14] <Riddell> jessie: dput ubuntu foo-source.changes
[22:14] <Riddell> sends it on its way
[22:15] <Riddell> jessie: oh there's a flag to ignore the gpg check
[22:16] <Riddell> --unchecked
[22:16] <Riddell> uh oh
[22:16] <Riddell> jessie: oh the source.changes
[22:16] <Riddell> you're doing the i386 one
[22:16] <jessie> Ohhhhh
[22:16] <Riddell> jessie: hoorah!
[22:16] <jessie> And then build bots automatically build the i386 and amd64 ones?
[22:16] <Riddell> you're a packager
[22:17] <Riddell> jessie: yep
[22:17] <jessie> Woooooo :-D That wasn't *too* hard.
[22:17] <Riddell> jessie: a couple of hours to learn the basics
[22:17] <Riddell> a lifetime to master it all
[22:18] <Riddell> we skipped over the patches
[22:18] <Riddell> and I still needto put the packaging in bzr
[22:18] <jessie> Yeah, I saw that. Luckily I'm decent at coding so I followed some/most of what you were doing with the patches.
[22:20] <Riddell> jessie: any questions?
[22:20] <Riddell> you can watch its progress in the build daemons at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok
[22:20] <jessie> Riddell: No, though I am sure that I will have questions when it comes time to do it again.
[22:21] <Riddell> jessie: oh we still need to backport this to raring :)
[22:21] <jessie> So the 2.7.0-2 update I saw yesterday was not this?
[22:22] <Riddell> jessie: no, have a look on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok
[22:22] <Riddell> raring has 2:2.7.0-0ubuntu2.1 in updates
[22:22] <jessie> Riddell: I don't see the build Daemons on launchpad. Where should they be?
[22:22] <yofel> you see the builds when you click on a version
[22:22] <Riddell> jessie: if you click on a version it'll show the builds e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.7.0-0ubuntu3
[22:22] <Riddell> four green ticks, one for each platform
[22:23] <yofel> buildd overview if you're ever curious is on https://launchpad.net/builders
[22:26] <jessie> Oh, it's building!
[22:27] <yofel> actually all builds are done, in-progress builds have that clock-like animation that you can see on the buildd page
[22:28] <jessie> yofel: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/2:2.7.1-0ubuntu1
[22:28] <jessie> My package is building, I meant.
[22:28] <Riddell> "subject: [ubuntu/saucy-proposed] amarok 2:2.7.1-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)"  yay!
[22:29] <yofel> jessie: ok, I was looking at the wrong version ^^
[22:31] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: so move the wiki to moinmoin.in and export it to docbook?
[22:33] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: yeah I think that's easiest, assuming moinmoin.in is reliable and they would be happy to have it
[22:33] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: is the XML file it gave me going to work us?
[22:34] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: looking
[22:35] <ahoneybun_> K
[22:41] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: some strange breakage in it
[22:41] <Riddell> e.g. line 16 missing an opening <  http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring/view/head:/docs/Welcome/welcome.xml
[22:42] <ahoneybun_> I know not perfect but better then writing by hand
[22:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[22:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/welcome.html
[22:45] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: yay got it to html
[22:46] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: needs the stylesheet in the right place of course
[22:46] <Riddell> but should be fine
[22:47] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: I'm not sure if moinmo.in will want kubuntu docs on their wiki though
[22:49] <ahoneybun_> Riddell: you edited the XML file ? What about http://www.tldp.org/?
[22:50] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: I did fix up the broken bits
[22:50] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: I think they won't want randomers using their wiki either
[22:50] <Riddell> ahoneybun_: we probably need to set up moin moin ourselves
[22:50] <Riddell> unless mediawiki can do it and we can hijack a kde wiki
[22:51] <ahoneybun_> Media wiki can
[22:53] <valorie> perhaps we should discuss this with #kde-www people then
[22:53] <valorie> but I'm unhappy with anything that moves our docs out of our space
[22:54] <Riddell> it would only be for development, final thing on kubuntu.org and packaged
[22:55] <ahoneybun_> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/DocBook_XML_export
[22:56] <ahoneybun_> valorie: I think Riddell's way would be the best
[22:57] <valorie> I understand, but it takes it out of our control
[22:57] <ahoneybun_> I would like to keep them there as well
[22:57] <ahoneybun_> Better looking
[22:57] <valorie> KDE seems the best choice if we must move, however
[22:57] <valorie> probably not in userbase, but in Community
[22:58] <ahoneybun_> Do they have the export though
[22:58] <Riddell> that's the question
[22:58] <valorie> yes
[22:58] <Riddell> you sure?
[22:58] <valorie> that's how our Amarok docs are created
[22:58] <valorie> yes
[22:58] <valorie> you can even export to a epub
[22:59] <valorie> so you can read it on your kindle
[23:00] <valorie> the devels in #kde-www are awesome to work with
[23:00] <valorie> as are the docs people in #kde-docs
[23:01] <Riddell> so I'd say a quick check it's ok with www and docs people them put it on community.kde.org
[23:02] <ahoneybun_> So we need to find where to put the wiki at
[23:02] <Riddell> valorie: do you know where the amarok ones are?
[23:03] <valorie> userbase/amarok
[23:03] <valorie> sec and I'll get the real link
[23:04] <valorie> http://userbase.kde.org/Amarok/Manual
[23:04] <valorie> but as I say, userbase is stuctured, and I don't think kubuntu would fit there
[23:04] <valorie> so community would be better
[23:05] <ahoneybun__> BTW I'm in my tech writing class 
[23:06] <valorie> cool
[23:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: ooh you're get quite into this kubuntu docs thing if you're going to classes for it :)
[23:10] <ahoneybun__> Loll I need it for my degree , my prof wrote for IBM 
[23:10] <sakang> any reason why the major kde stuff like plasma, workspace are still at 4.10.2?
[23:10] <ahoneybun__> Bugs
[23:10] <Riddell> sakang: where?
[23:10] <sakang> in precise backports ppa
[23:11] <Riddell> sakang: no upstream changes
[23:11] <sakang> Riddell: thanks.  I do have some in 4.10.3 
[23:11] <Riddell> yofel: should we have a 4.10.3 announcement on kubuntu.org?
[23:12] <Riddell> sakang: yeah anything without upstream changes we don't bother to update (right yofel?)
[23:13] <sakang> Riddell: sounds good :)
[23:14] <yofel> Riddell: we should, I forgot to write one, sorry
[23:14] <yofel> sakang: we do indeed not update anything without upstream changes. kde-workspace was updated though
[23:15] <yofel> except if launchpad messed the copying up...
[23:15] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: when will raring get 4.10.3?
[23:15] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: it's in backports PPA
[23:15] <yofel> no, it's in the updates PPA for raring
[23:16] <Riddell> um right
[23:16] <Riddell> ScottK usually puts it into updates when he's feeling nice
[23:16] <ahoneybun__> Oh
[23:18] <sakang> yofel: the candidate for kde-workspace is still - Candidate: 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04~ppa3
[23:18] <yofel> sakang: ok, it seems like at least kde-workspace  missing... 
[23:18] <yofel> *is missing
[23:19] <yofel> I'm publishing everything again...
[23:19] <sakang> thanks
[23:19] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: so what do I do now?
[23:19] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: put a test page up on community.kde.org and see if you can export that?
[23:21] <ahoneybun__> OK 
[23:22] <yofel> sakang: kde-workspace was really copied now and will appear in updates shortly
[23:22] <yofel> the rest of the packages is correct at least
[23:22] <yofel> thanks for noticing
[23:22] <sakang> yofel: not sure which didn't get updates but plasma-desktop, kwin are still 4.10.2?
[23:22] <yofel> nope, that's part of workspace which is 4.10.3
[23:23] <yofel> sakang: full (and now correct) list is on https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/+packages?field.series_filter=precise&batch=300#
[23:23] <ahoneybun__> Openid URL?
[23:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun__: https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/OpenID
[23:24] <Riddell> https://launchpad.net/~your-nickname
[23:24] <ahoneybun__> OK
[23:25] <sakang> yofel: ok, let me do update
[23:26] <yofel> sakang: won't appear yet, if you the link ^ you'll see a green gear for kde-workspace. You'll get the update once that's gone
[23:26] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: I'm doing ask of this on my n7
[23:26] <yofel> *you open
[23:26] <sakang> ok
[23:27]  * yofel is off to bed, good night
[23:37]  * Riddell off to bed too
[23:37] <Riddell> thanks for taking on the docs, we'll get there soon ahoneybun_ 
[23:48] <ahoneybun__> Riddell: I don't think it has that power
[23:51] <ahoneybun__> User base does
[23:53] <ahoneybun__> Or maybe yes