[00:22] <keithzg> Arghh raring's broken time handling is really getting me down.
[00:24] <keithzg> My actual time, the time it displays in the clock widget and the time KRunner claims it currently is in my timezone are all different.
[01:27] <samskiter> hello. plasma desktop seems to be leaking pixmaps. my Xorg process grows in memory usage over days and the cuprit seems to be plasma-desktop
[01:32] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: What version?
[01:33] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: 0.4
[01:33] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Do you mean 10.04?
[01:33] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: (I was talking about the Kubuntu version, to be clear)
[01:34] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: ah right
[01:34] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: im on 13.04
[01:34] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK.
[01:35] <samskiter> plasma-desktop is version 0.4
[01:35] <SonikkuAmerica> I figured.
[01:35] <samskiter> cool
[01:35] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: I would first suggest getting Ubuntu Tweak and clearing the cache via the Janitor
[01:36] <ashes> what happens to lts kubuntu after its done in 2014?
[01:36] <ashes> nothing will get updates?
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> ashes: What, 12.04?
[01:36] <ashes> the branch freezes
[01:36] <ashes> SonikkuAmerica: yes
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> !12.04
[01:36] <SonikkuAmerica> ashes: It didn't say that before... it'll be supported until April 2017.
[01:37] <ashes> oh. i thought it was next year
[01:37] <ashes> sorry
[01:37] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: could you explain the process of clearing the cache in more detail please?
[01:37] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: What Ubuntu Tweak's GUI will do is help free space on your computer by ditching the APT cache and most popular program caches.
[01:38] <SonikkuAmerica> ashes: No biggie. Kubuntu's LTS plan is the same as Ubuntu's (Unity's).
[01:38] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: okkk, but it wont be able to clear out all this memory that's being taken up by the Xorg process?
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: If it's taking up too much CPU... that's another story.
[01:39] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: its not. its taking up too much memory
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> RAM?
[01:39] <samskiter> it increases over 3/4 days
[01:39] <samskiter> yes ram
[01:39] <samskiter> its a memory leak
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> I'd file a bug report in plasma-desktop.
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> !bug
[01:40] <SonikkuAmerica> s/in/against*
[01:40] <samskiter> so you dont recommend this ubuntu-tweak thing?
[01:41] <samskiter> is there not more information i can extract to narrow the bug down?
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Not for this.
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: (Answer to Q1)
[01:41] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: For Q2, you said it was leaking pixmaps?
[01:42] <samskiter> as far as other people in other IRC channels say yes
[01:42] <samskiter> (personally, i dont know what a pixmap is, I just wanted to try and narrow the prblem to the point i can submit a useful bug report)
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Install Valgrind and use it to find where plasma-desktop is leaking then.
[01:43] <SonikkuAmerica> [ sudo apt-get install valgrind ; valgrind --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full plasma-desktop ]
[01:44] <samskiter> OK. Ill have a go, but i've heard valgrind will slow my computer to a crawl
[01:45] <SonikkuAmerica> That's because Valgrind sandboxes whatever is running inside it.
[01:45] <samskiter> yea, so i heard. also, thats not the correct way of starting plasma-desktop is it?
[01:45] <samskiter> and presumably i need to kill it before i run valgrind
[01:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Probably.
[01:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Which means switching to a tty
[01:48] <samskiter> right then. running valgrind now
[01:49] <samskiter> where does valgrind leave it's results?
[01:54] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Good question. If you don't see anything, check /var/log/ for a directory or file that says "valgrind"?
[01:59] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: i think it just outputs staight into the temrinal
[01:59] <samskiter> anyway, heres a load of what it output
[01:59] <samskiter> http://pastebin.com/s71DanwU
[01:59] <SonikkuAmerica> OK
[02:00] <samskiter> before it crashed. there is a summary at the bottom
[02:00] <samskiter> im not sure i got enough running time really....  but maybe there is something useful in there
[02:02] <SonikkuAmerica> samskiter: Do you have an analog clock with a second hand running as a widget anywhere?
[02:02] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: nope. i dont use widgets
[02:02] <SonikkuAmerica> OK.
[02:03] <samskiter> there's a reason they didnt take off on windows...
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> Are you using the proprietary NVIDIA driver?
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> (lol)
[02:03] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: im using bumblebee
[02:03] <SonikkuAmerica> An Optimus...
[02:04] <SonikkuAmerica> You should file a memory leak bug at bugs.kde.org regarding this then.
[02:04] <samskiter> yes. but I asked around in #bumblebee when first diagnosing the issue and im not using any features that would cause an issue apparently. so i was sent to #linux-gfx
[02:04] <samskiter> kde bugs not ubuntu bugs?
[02:05] <SonikkuAmerica> plasma-desktop isn't part of Ubuntu; it's part of KDE
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Remember to tell them that it's Bumblebee or it'll be a dupe of another similar issue with NVIDIA prop drivers that got fixed in a new update of the NVIDIA driver.
[02:06] <samskiter> "then you were not using it. then you're using bumblebee only for powering down the nvidia card, if at all, and it is not responsible for memory consumption in your primary X"
[02:07] <samskiter> its not a bumblebee issue apparently
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> That just means it's not a Bumblebee issue... the issue is that of plasma-desktop.
[02:10] <samskiter> ah ok
[02:10] <samskiter> well ill mention all this
[02:40] <samskiter> SonikkuAmerica: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319891 here it is
[02:40] <samskiter> thanks for the help btw
[02:41] <SonikkuAmerica> You're welcome. Looks good on details. The next thing is to sit back, relax, and wait.
[02:42] <samskiter> yea. there are soem similar-ish reports around there. so might get marked duplicate..
[03:15] <ws16> Здорово!!!
[03:19] <Unit193> !ru | ws16
[03:32] <audio>  (//) quit round here (//)
[03:32] <audio>  (//) quiet (//)
[03:35] <audio> ·.¸¸.·´¯`> _02 (/,14/) o.o (//) _
[03:37] <dillydog> hey
[03:37] <dillydog> what's up
[03:40] <ashes> i installed kubuntu for my sister on her laptop, to replace her zombied windows 7. i picked kubuntu because it's intuative, easy to use, and performs well. she hasn't complained so far, which is pretty good for her
[03:40] <audio> ·.¸¸.·´¯`> _02 (/4/) indeed it is (//) _
[03:42] <ashes> she configured kmail on her own, which is great. the only issue so far is that she didnt use muon to install a torrent client... instead she downloaded ktorrent's source code. i tried to explain to her and her husband to only use the muon app store
[03:43] <ashes> slightly different mentality
[03:43] <ashes> in windows you go out and find your packages yourself. in unix you have a repo
[03:46] <audio> ·.¸¸.·´¯`> :::::o.o:::::_
[03:55] <dillydog> ##php
[04:15] <ElTimablo> Is there a simple sound recorder for KDE? I need to test my mic.
[04:16] <ElTimablo> And is there some sort of documentation for writing kwin effects?
[04:54] <lorgus> re2all
[07:54] <Jarris> i did install kubuntu to a USB-Stick, with luks encrypted partitions.. booting from the USB shows the grub-menu i select the first Kubuntu-entry but this results just in a "_" blinking i a corner ...and nothing further happens. what could be my misstake? thx in advance
[08:12] <valorie> Jarris: what did you use to create the liveusb?
[08:13] <Jarris> alternate cd
[08:13] <Jarris> i do not know any grafical live-usb ceator with can encrypt partitions..
[08:14] <Jarris> valorie: do u know some? isnt it possible with alternate cd?
[08:15] <Jarris> kubuntu version is 12.04
[08:15] <valorie> I don't understand what you mean
[08:15] <valorie> oh, yes, you can put on any ISO
[08:15] <valorie> I meant what application did you use to create the LiveUSB?
[08:17] <Jarris> u know the alternate cd? i used it and when i have to select the Harddrive i selected my usb-stick, with 1 boot and 1 encrypted root partition. and then installed the grup bootloader into the usb
[08:19] <valorie> ah
[08:20] <valorie> that won't work
[08:20] <Jarris> why?
[08:20] <valorie> for starters, the alternate CD isn't a live CD/USB
[08:20] <Jarris> starter?
[08:20] <Jarris> s
[08:20] <valorie> I don't know the technical details, but that's why one uses a specific application to create a live image
[08:20] <valorie> !live
[08:21] <valorie> piffle
[08:21] <valorie> you have to use the desktop images if you want a liveCD or USB
[08:21] <Jarris> hammm, and how do i get encryption?
[08:22] <valorie> kubuntu comes with a Startup Disk Creator built in
[08:22] <valorie> with which you can create or CD, DVD or USB
[08:22] <valorie> but you have to have a desktop ISO image to put on it
[08:22] <valorie> no idea
[08:22] <valorie> I guess google for that?
[08:23] <Jarris> did it ...
[08:23] <valorie> not sure why you would want an encrypted one
[08:23] <valorie> any purpose for that?
[08:23] <valorie> there is no personal information on them
[08:23] <valorie> it's just an ISO + grub
[08:24] <Jarris> i want to work with it, i wnat to put persenal information on it, i need to rent a a laptop some times
[08:24] <Jarris> dont want to use the standart windose thing and want my personal informations safe
[08:25] <tabsterleir> Hey guys, I have a bit of a question. I've been reading this: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/05/mir-in-kubuntu/ and i'm a little confused. Does this mean I should be jumping ship? Does Kubuntu still have a future or do we not know right now?
[08:34] <valorie> ah, there are applications that let you write to the USB
[08:35] <valorie> but I don't know about encryption on that
[08:35] <valorie> tabsterleir: yes, we have a future
[08:35] <valorie> we don't know whether or not mir is included yet
[08:35] <valorie> because it hasn't been released
[08:36] <valorie> all the flavors are in the same position, afaik
[08:36] <tabsterleir> Ah, fair enough. Got myself in a bit of a panic is all :) ty
[08:47] <oye> Having an open Gmail session in rekonq and running LibreOffice Writer, sometimes when switching windows with alt+tab from the browser to the writer, I notice that the mouse pointer moves around freely, having me introduce text between lines of text already typed previously. I wonder if this erratic behavior is software related or hardware provoked.
[08:47] <oye> s/a Gmail session opened*
[09:27] <swook> Hi, does anyone know why system-config-printer-kde is gone?
[09:31] <valorie> it's part of the KDE Control Module, swook
[09:32] <valorie> alt+f2 "printer" will find it for you
[09:33] <swook> what's odd is that the option completely disappeared
[09:33] <swook> It might finally be time to have a fresh install...
[09:33] <swook> installed since upgrading to 4.10 that is
[09:34] <swook> s/installed/disappeared
[11:18] <swook> Installing kde-full helped.
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[13:31] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-desktop
[13:35] <swook> thanks BluesKaj
[13:36] <BluesKaj> swook, ??
[13:36] <swook> haha I thought it was to do with a problem I mentioned here
[13:36] <swook> I lost quite a few things, like the print config menu in settings after an upgrade
[13:37] <swook> either to 13.04 or KDE 10.1
[13:37] <swook> an install of kde-full helped
[13:37] <BluesKaj> then that was before I arrived , i was just invoking the bot for reference
[13:38] <swook> I see, thanks nonetheless
[13:38] <BluesKaj> for another chat that doesn't have factoids
[13:55] <kurcina> hi is kubuntu  basickly ubuntu whit other GUI?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> iit use the ubuntu core , but a different desktop environment. kde on ubuntu uses kubuntu-desktop which uses the plasma desktop with it
[13:58] <BluesKaj> within
[13:59] <BluesKaj> the apps ahave their own kde versions
[14:00] <SonikkuAmerica> (And a similar deal with Kubuntu Active as well)
[14:01] <kurcina> so it does not use .deb pakages like ubuntu?
[14:01] <kurcina> i like more kde then gnome or unity or whatewer is now ubunut
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kurcina, yes , and the same repositories
[14:02] <kurcina> ok  and does kde use compiz or not?
[14:03] <SonikkuAmerica> kurcina: No; KDE has its own compositor within KWin
[14:03] <kurcina> or is plazma desktop like compiz
[14:04] <kurcina> does it have ALT TAB fuction?
[14:04] <BluesKaj> kde uses kwin , not compiz
[14:04] <kurcina> does kwin have alt tab fuction
[14:05] <kurcina> i am using zorin  but i wolud like to try some other KDE
[14:09] <kurcina> so what compozotors are out ther
[14:11] <BluesKaj> kwin uses it's own compositor , similar to compiz , look in systemsettings. desktop effects to find the options
[14:11] <kurcina> and does kubuntu 13.04 have dash to sirche like ubuntu
[14:11] <BluesKaj> it has a search in the kmenu
[14:12] <kurcina> does kubuntu 13.04 have dash to search ?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> no dash
[14:12] <BluesKaj> !nepomuk
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !info nepomuk
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !index
[14:13] <BluesKaj> wth?
[14:13] <BluesKaj> !search
[14:13] <kurcina> so what is behter compiz or kwin
[14:15] <BluesKaj> if you setup desktop effects , you can do most of the compiz effects afaik , kurcina
[14:15] <kurcina> only efect i want is wobly window and alt tab fuction nothing more
[14:17] <BluesKaj> kurcina, then you should find those effects in systemsettings >desktop effects , if you feel like looking
[14:18] <kurcina> i dont have kubuntu i have zorin i am just asking does it have those effects
[14:18] <BluesKaj> what's zorin?
[14:20] <kurcina> zorin is linux os thet looks like windows
[14:20] <kurcina> and comes whit alot of inbuld softwer
[14:21] <BluesKaj> the wobbly windows and alt-tab/boxswitch are listed in the available desktop effects
[14:23] <kurcina> BluesKaj:  ok ty i must go now
[15:11] <roadfish> the 13.04 installer crashes when I do the manual disk partitioning. any one heard about this problem? any fix?
[15:11] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:12] <roadfish> ok, I found a link talking about my bug:
[15:12] <roadfish>    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/990464
[15:13] <roadfish> thanks ubottu!
[15:57] <rindolf> Hi all. How can I set up my time on the KDE clock in the panel to be in 24-hour (with "18:57" etc.) instead of in AM/PM (with "6:57 PM" etc.)?
[15:59] <SonikkuAmerica> rindolf: It should be in Digital Clock Settings (right-click the digital clock)
[16:00] <Artakha> you need to set your time format in the locale settings iirc
[16:01] <rindolf> SonikkuAmerica: thanks! It was in the date format under the "config"/tool option.
[16:02] <Artakha> well that leads into locale settings so yeah :P
[16:02] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh OK. (Just switched back to Unity earlier in the week but I know enough about Kubuntu from prev. exp.
[16:02] <SonikkuAmerica> )
[16:37] <Kitzune> Is there a way to change the main panel opacity  so it can be different transparency levels?
[16:51] <rindolf> Oh, Kitzune left.
[17:03] <imgx64> What is "System Settings -> Locale" supposed to do? It doesn't change LC_* variables, which means many applications (including KDE apps like Dolphin) don't actually respect the locale settings in it.
[17:58] <oye> Any clue why Bygfoot won't let me play in any other league but of Venezuela? When I try to select other leagues, I get nothing but a blank row.
[18:06] <keithzg> Hmm, if I ask KRunner "time" it gets it right, if I ask "time Edmonton" it gets it right, but if I ask "time MDT" (which is my timezone) it thinks it's an hour later than it is.
[18:06] <oye> Maybe MDT stands for something else in KRunner?
[18:07] <keithzg> It shouldn't, that's the official abbreviation for Mountain Daylight Time.
[18:07] <keithzg> It gives the same answer for MST.
[18:07] <keithzg> If I ask it for "time MT", which is the non-daylight-savings-specific abbreviation, it thinks I mean GMT, which is bad behaviour too.
[18:08] <oye> I have no idea, honestly.
[18:09] <ninjabox_> anyone good with services?
[18:17] <keithzg> ninjabox_: I'm decent-ish ;) What's your issue/question?
[18:20] <ninjabox_> sorry, was looking around at the server list
[18:21] <ninjabox_> but my network manager service has to be restarted every time i reboot the computer or it will not connect.
[18:22] <keithzg> Ahhh, Network Manager, my old nemesis ;) What's your actual networking situation like?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> ninjabox_, I have to ask , is it set autoconnect in the network manager
[18:23] <ninjabox_> yes
[18:23] <ninjabox_> would that affect it?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> eth0?
[18:23] <ninjabox_> no, wireless...but it does show up as eth1 for whatever reason
[18:24] <ninjabox_> by networkin situation do you mean what means am i using to connect to the network?
[18:24] <ninjabox_> at keithzg^
[18:24] <BluesKaj> afaik it should be wlan0
[18:25] <ninjabox_> it should. but atm it's not a major concern cause it works
[18:25] <ninjabox_> can i paste the outputs of ifconfig and iwconfig here for you guys?
[18:28] <ninjabox_> and just incase it's any different im using ubuntu 12.04
[18:29] <ninjabox_> not kubuntu
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> Services via terminal probably won't be different.
[18:30] <SonikkuAmerica> You may be better off asking in #ubuntu though, unless your services are KDE-specific
[18:30] <ninjabox_> thx for the info :D
[18:31] <ninjabox_> i have that server open as well
[18:31] <ninjabox_> :D
[20:54] <darklittledevil> hi, any spanish channel?
[22:48] <ovidiu> hello, i have a problem on kubuntu with a player in html5 on voyo.ro. in windows8 when i click on the fullscreen button of the player even when i'm on the second screen it turns fullscreen on the second screen but in kubuntu it fullscreens it on the first screen always so i can't make it fullscreen on the second screen. any fix?
[22:59] <KenHarp> Hi everyone.
[23:02] <KenHarp> Can someone tell me the best way to preserve grub? I have Kubuntu installed and I want to dual boot Windows 7. I've done this many times, but the problem I face is installing windows last. It keeps grub from showing up. Any suggestions?
[23:03] <sakang> install kubuntu last
[23:03] <KenHarp> Kubuntu is already instlalled.
[23:04] <sakang> if you could boot to kubuntu, then update grub and then grub-install /dev/sda
[23:04] <KenHarp> I can't boot to Kubuntu, because of the grub issue.
[23:05] <KenHarp> Right now I'm on Kubuntu. I'm about to install windows but I dont want to get locked out of kubuntu because of grub.  Is it possibly the way I'm installing windows that causes the prob?
[23:09] <valorie> windows likes to be first
[23:10] <valorie> not sure how to get around that
[23:12] <seattlegaucho> KenHarp: you can try booting from usb stick into your HD kubuntu (it has an option in the menu, I don't remember the specifics) ... then apply sakang's recommendation
[23:12] <KenHarp> would this work?
[23:12] <KenHarp> if u install linux then it will be hidden
[23:12] <KenHarp> insert the first linux installation cd
[23:12] <KenHarp> on the first window type linux rescue and follow the instructions
[23:12] <KenHarp> once u hav rached shell
[23:12] <KenHarp> type grub-install
[23:12] <FloodBotK1> KenHarp: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:13] <seattlegaucho> KenHarp: similar to what I recommended :)
[23:13] <KenHarp> sorry for the flood..lol
[23:13] <KenHarp> and thank you