[06:35] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <iulian> Morning dholbach.
[08:03] <dholbach> hi iulian
[14:39] <asomething> mitya57, looks like I can't grant DM upload permissions on a package not yet in the archive. Do you have a link to an updated source package so I can sponsor it for you?
[14:43] <Rhonda> asomething: Erm, why should that work?
[14:43] <Rhonda> Do you want to create a chicken-egg problem? :)
[14:44] <asomething> Rhonda, honestly I didn't really think it would, but tried sending the dak commands anyway
[14:44] <Rhonda> But you are right, now that it's handled differently, it's not a chicken-egg issue anymore …
[14:45] <Rhonda> But in the old way of granting the right a sourceful upload was needed (and thus the package already in the pool), it doesn't change with the new way of handling it.
[14:46] <Laney> I thought DM disallowed NEW anyway
[14:47] <Rhonda> Laney: In the old way it was implicit through the required DMUA flag being in the source package in the pool.
[14:47] <Rhonda> In the new way it's implicit through dak not nowing the source package you want to grant rights for yet. :)
[14:47] <Laney> well, there's binNEW too
[14:47] <Rhonda> *knowing
[14:47] <Laney> so I mean that even if it did work to add the acl you wouldn't be able to do the first upload because of this other policy
[14:47] <Rhonda> Hmm, right.
[14:48] <Rhonda> We should probably ask ansgar if the binNEW is still an issue.
[14:49] <Rhonda> Because the dm.txt file doesn't contain anything about binary packages.
[14:49] <Laney> right, must be a check further down in dak
[14:50] <Rhonda> Not convinced that dak does handle that or whether it was just something that the ftp assists did while new processing.
[14:51] <Rhonda> Anyway, heading to a talk of Donald Knuth, see you around. :D
[14:51] <Laney> don't try and claim you've read TAOCP
[14:51] <DktrKranz> DMs can't upload to NEW, that includes binary NEW as well
[14:53] <Laney> bah, come back Rhonda! packages.u.c doesn't have Contents for saucy!
[15:11] <mitya57> asomething: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-fonts/woff-tools.git;a=summary
[15:12] <mitya57> (wait a minute, I'll bump the timestamp)
[15:12] <mitya57> asomething: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-fonts/woff-tools.git;a=summary
[15:12] <mitya57>  (wait a minute, I'll bump the timestamp)
[15:14] <mitya57> asomething: done
[15:14] <mitya57> (in the past that worked, and I was able to upload stuff to NEW IIRC)
[15:38] <psusi> can someone explain to me what the difference is between wiki.ubuntu.com and the new help.ubuntu.com?  Is wiki obsolete?  It seems a number of pages redirect to the same page under help.ubuntu.com/community, and it feels like it is running a newer version of moinmoin.. which one should we be updating?
[15:40] <tumbleweed> psusi: documentation belongs on help.u.c, wiki.u.c is for wiki pages that aren't documentation
[15:46] <ScottK> help is for users, wiki is for developers is another way to look at it.
[15:46] <psusi> hrm... well I'm confused by this page then... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EngineerCertification
[15:47] <psusi> I can't decide if it was supposed to be documentation for some canonical service or something, but it appears to be long forgotten, and crufty
[15:48] <psusi> it seems to be cited on askubuntu though yet it doesn't actually provide any usable information
[15:50] <psusi> I'm tempted to just delete it...
[15:51] <ScottK> psusi: It does say, " The below information is obsolete. "
[15:51] <ScottK> I'd just leave it.
[15:51] <ScottK> There was an intent to do that at one time.
[15:54] <psusi> was it ever done?
[16:09] <psusi> looks like the project died and now there's a bunch of cruft out there...
[16:20] <asomething> mitya57, is that repo supposed to have a pristine-tar branch? If so, you need to do a 'git push --all'
[16:20] <mitya57> asomething: I prefer debian-dir-only branches, but can push upstream also if you want
[16:21] <asomething> np, that works too
[16:38] <mitya57> asomething: thank you!
[16:38] <asomething> mitya57, no problem
[16:48] <TheLordOfTime> anyone know anyone on the technical board?
[16:48] <TheLordOfTime> got a question about an email that got CC'd to the bugsquad but was sent to the tech board.
[16:50] <Laney> TheLordOfTime: https://launchpad.net/~techboard/+members
[16:50] <TheLordOfTime> Laney:  thanks
[16:50] <Laney> technical-board@lists.ubuntu.com
[16:50] <TheLordOfTime> Laney:  can anyone email that list?
[16:50] <Laney> sure
[16:50] <TheLordOfTime> because i'm not on the technical-board, the email was CC'd to bugsquad list
[16:50] <Laney> you'll be moderated unless you subscribe
[16:50] <TheLordOfTime> hence my being a tad confused on context here
[16:51] <Laney> not quite sure what you're talking about so can't really advise
[16:51] <TheLordOfTime> Laney:  anyone can subscribe to the technical board list?
[16:51] <Laney> yes
[16:51] <TheLordOfTime> or not, can't even find a subscribe page.
[16:52] <TheLordOfTime> ... there we go
[16:54] <mitya57> TheLordOfTime: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/technical-board
[16:55] <TheLordOfTime> mitya57:  i already found it ;)
[17:36] <psusi> so who do you talk to when wiki.ubuntu.com is broken?
[17:55] <ScottK> psusi: #canonical-sysadmin, I think.
[18:43] <Rhonda> Laney: You aren't the first to notice that, btw.  ;)
[18:43] <Rhonda> Laney: And no, I didn't read TAOCP, I was at a live talk of him over here in Vienna.
[22:04] <raks437> Hello All
[22:05] <raks437> I guess that there is training for MOTU today in a couple of hours..
[22:13] <raks437> did I missed it ?
[22:13] <raks437> anyone..please confirm
[22:18] <jtaylor> I haven't heard of anything
[22:19] <jtaylor> it would be an unusual time, given that uds ended 6 hours ago
[22:19] <raks437> well I can see the time as 0000 Hrs UTC
[22:19] <jtaylor> were?
[22:20] <raks437> I am at UTC + 5.30
[22:20] <raks437> so little confused...did I missed it by a day or its going to happen..
[22:20] <jtaylor> where did you here of the training?
[22:21] <raks437> it is actually packacging training
[22:21] <raks437> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Packaging/Training
[22:21] <raks437> it says 4th Thursday of the month, 0:00 UTC
[22:22] <jtaylor> the page was last edited 2012, I don't think thats active anymore :/
[22:22] <jtaylor> also we only have the 3rd thursday
[22:24] <raks437> by god...I am going crazy for sure..will call my doctox
[22:24] <raks437> :)
[22:25] <jtaylor> :)
[22:25] <jtaylor> < offline
[22:25] <raks437> I see you are very helpfull thanks..
[22:26] <raks437> can you guide me a little to find some easy work..
[22:26] <raks437> I a quite new and very targeted to earn MOTU thingy
[22:27] <raks437> but this ubuntu world is very big and find myself lost many times