[13:58] <thomi> balloons: ready to join us in the fishbowl?
[13:59] <balloons> thomi, linky? I have the wonderful fortune of hosting another session :-)
[14:00] <balloons> so I'll launch that then hop into this one
[14:00] <thomi> balloons: haven't got it yet. wil PM you
[14:00] <jasoncwarner> hangout for Autopilot session: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/e23baffdc642146a169a4f631dbf4c8e19efd198?authuser=0&hl=en
[14:02] <balloons> ohh bother, maybe I can't join 2 at once :-(
[14:09] <balloons> so it sounds like no quantal support
[14:09] <dbarth> mmrazik, thomi: sorry, i beg to difer; it would be great to have the last changes on 12.04 for testing the greeter/session scenario
[14:09] <dbarth> i'd like to know whether someone can help on fixing the gtk module, or whether i should take that on my plate
[14:10] <dbarth> no gripes, just to know where to go
[14:10] <balloons> i don't see an issue with no quantal or precise support for my needs / community needs.. others can chime in if they disagree :-)
[14:10] <gema> dbarth: there was a session yesterday and they agreed to maintain it (I think)
[14:10] <balloons> I think most will be running saucy or raring
[14:10] <gema> or fix it and then someone else can maintain it
[14:10] <balloons> dbarth, yes, check out this session: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-s-testing-technologies
[14:11] <balloons> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21727/community-s-upstream-test-development/
[14:11] <dbarth> ok, sorry; i was getting mixed messages on that front
[14:11] <mmrazik> dbarth: regarding 12.04 is there any development on top of 12.04?
[14:11] <dbarth> ok
[14:11] <mmrazik> aren't you moving to something more recent?
[14:13] <dbarth> i can do the work, that's not the problem; if you guys (rightly) think it's not a wise use of resources
[14:13] <sergiusens> ChrisGagnon-uds: isn't UfA using AP?
[14:16] <dbarth> yup, we can do that for now; maybe that will help others; otherwise at least it will unblock our tests on the good old platform
[14:16] <dbarth> i appreciate that you guys have tons of your plate and i don't mind dirtying my hands in gtk for a bit to get that sorted
[14:17] <dbarth> ;)
[14:17] <mmrazik> ok dbarth :)
[14:17] <dbarth> and so with that said; consider precise and quantal as non targets now ;)
[14:18] <olli> QUESTION: did you guys cover backward compatibility yet?
[14:20] <olli> just asking as one of the reasons why we can't land smart scopes atm is that apparently 1.4 broke the regression tests
[14:20] <gema> backward compatibility of the shell, of ubuntu or of autopilot being able to run old tests?
[14:21] <olli> which is somewhat unfortunate
[14:21] <gema> (sorry, didn't understand the question)
[14:21] <olli> I was thinking of the latter gema
[14:21] <gema> olli: ack
[14:21] <sergiusens> mmrazik: cwayne tells me he'd join soon and that they are planning on using it
[14:21] <olli> mmrazik, ^
[14:21] <gema> thomi: indeed x)
[14:21] <mmrazik> olli: do you have more details on that?
[14:22] <mmrazik> olli: 1.3 indeed broke the compatibility because of the features we needed to support touch
[14:22] <olli> that's what didrocks & pawel told me
[14:22] <olli> ok
[14:22] <mmrazik> olli: I didn't know there are autopilot tests for scopes
[14:22] <mmrazik> olli: we can help them with porting
[14:22] <mmrazik> to 1.3
[14:22] <gema> COMMENT: It'd be good to know that any tests we write now are going to be able to run in the future, with the caveat of course that if the shell changes, the tests will need changing probably as well
[14:22] <olli> I think that with a growing number of test cases keeping them somewhat stable where possible should be a goal
[14:23] <sergiusens> mmrazik: to be honest, the change could of been made without breaking... code base would of been ugly but it would of been doable
[14:23] <gema> sergiusens: +1000
[14:23] <mmrazik> gema: I think you need to make sure you are using autopilot 1.3
[14:23] <mmrazik> and not the one from raring
[14:23] <gema> mmrazik: I will make sure of that
[14:24] <thomi> any autopilot questions?
[14:24] <gema> thomi: or if you change it, you do extend it, not break compability
[14:24] <gema> thomi: you can add your new stuff without breaking the old
[14:24]  * gema has a simplistic view of things...
[14:25] <sergiusens> fginther: do you need to ppa_sync to force a rebuild?
[14:25] <olli> well, sometimes (e.g. when the code base becomes too "ugly" due to providing compatibility) you might decide to break it
[14:25] <balloons> i found the migration from autopilot 1.2 to autopilot 1.3 seemingly easy..
[14:25] <balloons> fingers crossed, I haven't converted many yet
[14:26] <gema> olli: agreed, but should be the exception, rather than the norm from one release to the next
[14:26] <sergiusens> balloons: it is, it's just many projects and no big announcements ;-)
[14:26] <gema> olli: it seems normal to me that with the new shell things had to change on the testing side as well
[14:28] <sergiusens> thomi: fginther: you can backout
[14:28] <fginther> sergiusens, I'm not sure I understand the question. (lag and all)
[14:28] <gema> fginther: are you also a contact person for autopilot (a dev) in a US timezone?
[14:28] <sergiusens> fginther: thomi if it was a superseeded package it's doable
[14:28] <fginther> gema, yes
[14:28] <mmrazik> gema: fginther and ChrisGagnon are involved in autopilot
[14:28] <sergiusens> no need for dput
[14:29] <fginther> sergiusens, thx
[14:29] <gema> mmrazik, fginther: excellent, thanks
[14:29] <mmrazik> with Chris being fairly new to the codebase
[14:30]  * gema nods at thomi's complain for timezone problems :D
[14:30] <plars> you are a victim of autopilot's popularity :)
[14:30] <sergiusens> thomi: you should use the mailing list more
[14:31] <plars> +1, '/query thomi' is always helpful, but doesn't scale and isn't fair to thomi
[14:31] <veebers> thomi: a channel or a mailing list sounds good
[14:31] <sergiusens> thomi: the announcement of 1.3 there would of been a good start
[14:31] <ChrisGagnon-uds> +1 an autopilot channel on freenode is a good idea
[14:31] <gema> but then others read it and can answer, or you could have "Vanguards"
[14:31] <balloons> thomi, you sleep? lol
[14:31] <cwayne> i thought we made an autopilot users mailing list last uds?
[14:31] <plars> I like mailing list for dev discussion, irc for quick questions and general discussion
[14:31] <gema> cwayne: some questions can be dealt with much quicker than by email
[14:32] <thomi> http://unity.ubuntu.com/autopilot/porting/porting.html
[14:32] <gema> cwayne: the problem is that PM-ing thomi takes a full day for us in europe
[14:32] <thomi> PORTING GUIDE ^^
[14:32] <balloons> it might be easier for the people "watching" for questions to have a specific channel
[14:32] <cwayne> gema: i was just asking if it was created, not suggesting it as the only form of communication
[14:32] <balloons> but I have no problem with everyone hanging in #ubuntu-quality
[14:32] <gema> cwayne: ahhh, I thought it was created x)
[14:32] <balloons> we'll try not and ping thomi constantly :-)
[14:33] <gema> balloons: I am going to make a script that does "/query thomi ping"
[14:33] <thomi> any final questions?
[14:33] <gema> then when he pongs next day I ask x)
[14:33] <thomi> otherwise, we are outta here
[14:33] <thomi> 10 seconds
[14:33] <balloons> gema, yea i guess i'm lucky i can catch him first thing in the morning
[14:33] <gema> balloons: indeed
[14:33] <thomi> jasoncwarner: we're done
[14:34] <balloons> thanks everyone :-)
[14:34] <gema> thanks guys
[14:35] <dbarth> thanks guys
[15:00] <jasoncwarner> hangout for print dialogue session https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5275aee2933c6dfbac5ad792b10ca7fceb4b9bba?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:06]  * tedg doesn't see video
[15:10] <jasoncwarner> hi everyone
[15:10] <jasoncwarner> sorry, running a bit late. trying to wrangle some folks!
[15:11] <kgunn> np
[15:12] <jasoncwarner> kgunn: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5275aee2933c6dfbac5ad792b10ca7fceb4b9bba?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:12] <jasoncwarner> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5275aee2933c6dfbac5ad792b10ca7fceb4b9bba?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:13] <jasoncwarner> tedg care to join the hangout https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/5275aee2933c6dfbac5ad792b10ca7fceb4b9bba?authuser=0&hl=en
[15:13] <tedg> Sure
[15:22] <tkamppeter> jasoncwarner, there is nothing written up, should I simple add the work item "Contact design" to the Blueprint?
[15:23] <jasoncwarner> tkamppeter: yes, please do
[16:08] <tsdgeos> is the video for the pdf thing on?
[16:15] <seb128> tsdgeos, I think I can dropped from the schedule due to conflict, but check with tkamppeter
[16:16] <seb128> tkamppeter_,
[16:16] <tsdgeos> ok
[16:16] <tsdgeos> no worries
[16:16] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, this session was canceled.
[16:17] <tsdgeos> it would have been cool if it was canclled not like 5 minutes ago :D
[16:17] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, but if you have any contribution to this question, fell free to post here on IRC now.
[16:17] <tsdgeos> i already gave you my contrbiuion 2 months ago
[16:18] <tkamppeter> tsdgeos, are you employee at canonical? Then you should join on #canonical at Canonical.
[16:18] <tsdgeos> uh?
[16:18] <tsdgeos> are we not a free an open souce community now?
[16:19] <tsdgeos> what difference does it make if i'm a canonical employee or not?
[18:02] <whzhang>  https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/b918f0e322d689c3a0f0933e1519752ab305f489?authuser=0&hl=en
[18:03] <whzhang> is Andrea on line?
[18:03] <jasoncwarner> Hi folks. we'll get started in a few minutes
[18:03] <jasoncwarner> just waiting for a few more people to join the hangout
[18:10] <jasoncwarner> HI all - This session is going to get cancelled. Unfortunately some necessary people are not available. The discussion will be taken to the mailing lists instead. Sorry for the late notice.
[18:10] <jasoncwarner> any concerns, get in touch with me.