[13:45] <ptl> o/
[13:46] <UbuPhillup> ;)
[13:49] <smartboyhw_> Hey
[13:56] <dholbach> who wanted to be part of the "Ubuntu Enterprise Desktop Roundtable" discussion?
[13:57] <ballock> I do :)
[13:57] <OveRisberg> I do
[13:57] <euj> me
[14:01] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in today? anyone who wants to get on the hangout?
[14:04] <dholbach> some new folks joined irc, so anyone else who wants to join in today? anyone who wants to get on the hangout?
[14:05] <gQuigs> can I join hangout?
[14:06] <dholbach> sure
[14:06] <MichelV> Hello Ove
[14:06] <dholbach> MichelV, want to join the hangout too?
[14:07] <OveRisberg> Hi Michel :)
[14:07] <MichelV> Currently do not have access to a webcam.
[14:07] <dholbach> that's no problem
[14:08] <MichelV> Will try to find a headset and a cam. One moment.
[14:09] <fr33r1d3> I believe there are many out there who wants to start help spread Ubuntu on the companies, but its hard to know where to start.
[14:09] <rbasak> I see that this session is headed "Desktop" so I don't want to derail it by talking about server. I wonder though to what extent enterprise desktop solutions based on Ubuntu need related services from Ubuntu Server, and where we might be falling short there. This is probably off-topic, but the people here might be able to comment. So if you have any insight, please let us know on the ubuntu server list at ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com if th
[14:10] <OveRisberg> Servers is also important so please join us in the Hangout
[14:10] <MichelV> Do you have a url for the hangout
[14:11] <chiluk> You mentioned live meeting.  Why not use google hangout?  Or bigbluebutton?
[14:11] <OveRisberg> We are also using Hangouts but we have to be able to join a livemmeting and see the shared screen
[14:12] <chiluk> bigbluebutton can be hosted internally, and you can write your own authentication plugins.
[14:12] <chiluk> hangouts provide shared screen functionality
[14:13] <chiluk> I know it's really a social problem as much as technical.... You have to train the windows users to play nice with their linux counterparts.
[14:13] <MichelV> Do you have the hanggout url again. Had some startup problems
[14:16] <fr33r1d3> Is it possible to join on G+? what url?
[14:16] <jdstrand> ballock: fyi, the mozilla updates are prepared in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+packages
[14:16] <dholbach> fr33r1d3, hang on
[14:16] <jdstrand> ballock: there are usually a few days where it is in there
[14:17] <mdeslaur> Have you ever thought of having a local updates repository that you delay a few days?
[14:17] <mdeslaur> Don't you have the same problem with firefox on windows?
[14:17] <rbasak> Security updates can't go through -proposed, AIUI. Updates that break things are an upstream thing - AIUI, we don't have any choice but to follow what upstream want to do, because we can't get security updates any other way.
[14:18] <rbasak> AIUI, the solution is to stage your updates through a local repository, and there are tools that can help you with this.
[14:18] <jdstrand> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa/+packages is a native ppa and controlled by the security team
[14:20] <euj> firefox doesn't update automatically on windows
[14:20] <jdstrand> rbasak: they actually can go through proposed, but do not normally because we don't want to delay up to a week
[14:20] <euj> or well it does but not via os upgrades
[14:20] <rbasak> jdstrand: didn't realise you guys were here. I'll step out of the way :)
[14:20] <zul> rbasak:  security team is everywhere
[14:21] <satish> What are your plans for supporting products for Ubuntu platform to work with Microsoft Lync product. Lot of demand from enterprise Ubuntu users
[14:21] <fisch246> exchange is a big problem on Linux. Specifically with no exchange 2013 support. If your work uses outlook, it would be using exchange 2013. So if the admin isn't smart enough to provide pop or imap, there's no way to get email but through webmail. This is a minimum interface outside of using the IE browser. No options to forward or anything.
[14:22] <euj> exchange imap support is really not quite there
[14:23] <euj> we have dovecot as proxy for exchange imap which works quite well
[14:23] <zul> lanscape anyone?
[14:24] <OveRisberg> xavy
[14:25] <satish> we are on
[14:25] <dholbach> satish, want to join in the discussion?
[14:25] <satish> how do i join
[14:26] <chiluk> as I said.. consider switching your enterprise to big blue button!
[14:26] <fisch246> my school currently uses outlook, and i'm trying to find a different webmail for them so i can suggest a change for all the people who don't use windows.
[14:26] <rickspencer3> victorp-uds, can you invite satish into the hangout?
[14:26] <dholbach> rickspencer3, done
[14:26] <chiluk> bigbluebutton runs via java in a browser, and provides shared desktop with video.
[14:26] <rickspencer3> thanks dholbach
[14:26]  * rickspencer3 backs away quietly
[14:27] <chiluk> so you guys have created your own calendar plugin for thunderbird?
[14:28] <OveRisberg> http://www.1st-setup.nl/wordpress/
[14:28] <fisch246> that thunderbird plugin doesn't support exchange 2013 just so you know.
[14:28] <MichelV> http://www.1st-setup.nl/wordpress/?page_id=133
[14:28] <euj> could we have names displayed for all the speakers please :)
[14:28] <rbasak> Does this "TB/FF update breaks plugins" problem affect just Ubuntu, or all distributions?
[14:28] <dholbach> ballock, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages
[14:29] <dholbach> ballock, feel free to subscribe me on the needs-packaging bug and I'll help to get some eyes on it
[14:29] <MichelV> https://github.com/1stsetup/exchangecalendar
[14:30] <fisch246> does evolution work with exchange 2013?
[14:32] <euj> how are people handling user accounts at the moment, especially cached credentials on laptops? Especially large AD groups have been a bit of a pain for us
[14:33] <OveRisberg> satish can you join the Hangout?
[14:33] <dholbach> OveRisberg, I passed on the google+ link
[14:34] <fisch246> oh my apologies. an add-on for lightening. i thought we were talking about lightening itself
[14:36] <victorp-uds> gema -exhange setup for testing?
[14:37] <dholbach> satish, are you still on?
[14:40] <rbasak> Have you considered running Windows in a VM under Ubuntu for these cases of requiring Windows-only programs?
[14:40] <gema> victorp-uds: not sure what you are talking about, I was on a different session
[14:41] <victorp-uds> gema - ok, talking about if for ubuntu phone email and calendar are we targetting to test exchange?
[14:42] <chiluk> can some spell this zavi ?
[14:43] <victorp-uds> xavy
[14:44] <OveRisberg> http://xavy.damaka.com/
[14:45] <victorp-uds> jdstrand, any comments on protocols for secure login? sssd, samba4...
[14:45] <zul> victorp-uds:  we were talking about it this morning, still in the talking stages
[14:46] <gema> victorp-uds: we didn't have any preference for server, we don't have a clear plan on that yet
[14:46] <victorp-uds> zul, cool thanks
[14:46] <victorp-uds> was that on a session?
[14:46] <euj> we are also using sssd, but it is not perfect in a couple of ways
[14:46] <zul> victorp-uds:  nope
[14:46] <victorp-uds> zul is there going to be one?
[14:46] <gema> victorp-uds: we have a session on ubuntu touch image testing where we can discuss this later today
[14:46] <zul> victorp-uds:  #ubuntu-server this morning
[14:47] <zul> victorp-uds:  could be we need still need to talk to people like slangasek
[14:47] <rbasak> So samba4 is already packaged and available.
[14:47] <victorp-uds> zul ack
[14:47] <rbasak> AIUI, the discussion was about defaults.
[14:51] <fisch246> welcome jono
[14:52] <chiluk> We are working with citrix to fix these pain points.
[14:54] <euj> most of the problems I'm bringing up here seem minor but they usually require the windows infra to adapt somehow (usually turn off state-of-the-art features), this can be a real problem sometimes even if it seems really trivial
[14:54] <dholbach> regarding cfengine, there's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=699809
[14:54] <udsbotu> Debian bug 699809 in cfengine3 "cfengine3: Request to package newer version" [Wishlist,Open]
[14:55] <gQuigs> http://blog.landscape.canonical.com/2012/09/19/integrating-landscape-and-puppet/
[14:58] <ballock> launchpad grou+mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~enterprise-ubuntu
[15:00] <dholbach> ballock, and just drop me an email about organising the meeting - I'm sure we can do this fairly easily :)
[15:00] <dholbach> dholbach at ubuntu.c
[15:01] <ballock> you mean the meeting at the next uds? Sure, I will.
[15:02] <dholbach> ballock, or another meeting if you want to have one before
[15:03] <dholbach> to get some more input and interest from other enterprise desktop people
[15:03] <gQuigs> example for publishing configs: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/09/19/ever-wondered-how-the-wikimedia-servers-are-configured/
[15:03] <dholbach> next session: "Ubuntu Touch Porting Checkpoint"
[15:04] <dholbach> anyone interested in joining the session?
[15:07] <sergiusens> dholbach: I'm here
[15:08] <sergiusens> rsalveti: link?
[15:10] <dholbach> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-sponsoring-community-touch-builds
[15:10] <sergiusens> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-sponsoring-community-touch-builds
[15:15] <dholbach> does anyone want to join the conversation on the hangout?
[15:24] <ptl> How are the android packages updated when apt-get does its task? The android partition is remounted and the files mapped in there?
[15:31]  * dholbach hugs sergiusens and rsalveti!
[15:31]  * rsalveti hugs back
[15:32] <dholbach> and you can still enjoy some minutes in your other session :)
[15:32] <dholbach> rsalveti, sergiusens: is the dynamic duo always double-booked?
[15:32]  * sergiusens takes the hug as it's cold and hugs back :-)
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> Isn't it possible to also support CM10 to build up?
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> that would add a lot of devices
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> dang
[15:32] <GuidoPallemans> too late :D
[15:33] <dholbach> sergiusens, rsalveti: ^ do you guys have an answer for GuidoPallemans' question or should that better be addressed on the mailing list?
[15:33] <rsalveti> it might be possible, but problem is we might have some API/ABI incompatibilities there
[15:33] <sergiusens> GuidoPallemans: it should be possible, but I wouldn't really know the delta... what device?
[15:34] <rsalveti> guess once we have mir it'll be a bit easier
[15:34] <GuidoPallemans> well, I have a LG optimus l7 which only has CM10 and not CM10.1, but of coourse it's not up to you guys to support my phone
[15:34] <GuidoPallemans> there just are a lot of phones like that
[15:34] <rsalveti> 10.1 is ics, right?
[15:34] <GuidoPallemans> no
[15:35] <GuidoPallemans> 10 is jelly bean
[15:35] <GuidoPallemans> 10.1
[15:35] <rsalveti> hm, then it's weird that 10.2 is not supported as well
[15:35] <GuidoPallemans> cm 9 is ics, 4.0
[15:35] <rsalveti> but yeah, we can get an action to investigate that
[15:36] <GuidoPallemans> cm 10 is 4.1
[15:36] <GuidoPallemans> the lower the version you can go on CM, the more devices of course
[15:36] <rsalveti> cool, added an action to the notes, so we can investigate this further
[15:38] <GuidoPallemans> cool
[16:01] <skellat> I'm here!
[16:01] <YoBoY> here too
[16:01] <skellat> Missed the last panel I was *supposed* to be present for
[16:02] <dholbach> skellat, YoBoY: want to join in on the hangout? (we still have 3m)
[16:02] <skellat> Yes
[16:02] <dholbach> cool
[16:02] <fisch246> was coughing during all of last session... gah that was awful
[16:03] <YoBoY> dholbach, not really, still at work, always disturbed… :]
[16:03] <YoBoY> but thanks :)
[16:03] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in?
[16:05] <rrnwexec> i do
[16:07] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7b8359466b422a7791afd3aa784b708f0876c5eb for everyone who's interested
[16:07] <dholbach> and http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21730/community-roundtable/ has the pad and everything else
[16:08] <jono> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-s-uak-first-release
[16:12] <dholbach> anyone else who wants to join in on the hangout?
[16:18] <JoseeAntonioR> wait I dropped
[16:19] <cheesehead> Dropped connection
[16:20] <cheesehead> "Approved" changing to "Verified"
[16:21] <YoBoY> verified is more like to verify if a team is in good health ?
[16:22] <cheesehead> Reconnected audio only
[16:24] <fisch246> as someone who isn't apart of canonical but apart of the community, i enjoy being able to contribute.
[16:25] <fisch246> yes a lot of youtube streaming issues, but the hangouts themselves went really well
[16:26] <YoBoY> lot of youtube glitches for me, and lake of time to really follow
[16:26] <dholbach> jono, UDS feedback: "More productive and more realistic discussions, working much better for the vast majority. Some network issues, some folks still hesitant to go on air."
[16:27] <txwikinger> I find vUDS very positive ... easier for me to participate than old style UDSs... only issue... youtube always freezes a lo
[16:30] <cheesehead> Overall UDS good. My nitpick about Brainstorm is that the discussion occurred without stakeholders (the current volunteers working it)
[16:30] <txwikinger> google hangou always allows video feed to be disabled
[16:32] <fisch246> when Ubuntu gets bigger, I would suggest not sharing the hangouts so easily. it's nice in a sense of transparency and democracy, however i was surprised no one joined to do anything offensive.
[16:33] <dholbach> that's a good thing, right? :)
[16:33] <fisch246> it is good, but it may happen in the future.
[16:34] <drc> fisch246: Most of those types have already given up on Canonical/Ubuntu and moved on.
[16:34] <fisch246> i'm not saying stop sharing them, i'm just giving advice.
[16:34] <YoBoY> +1 having to deal with home/work/friends/life… it's hard to include vuds without knowing when or what the session will be.
[16:35] <cheesehead> +1 try a track on a weekend...or not simultaneous tracks
[16:35] <fisch246> ah yea good point on the moderation.
[16:36] <cheesehead> ...when I say "overall UDS good", I don't mean good = meh. Good is *good*.
[16:37] <YoBoY> Can we plan some classrooms on how to use efficiently hangouts ? (lower thirds, mute when not talking, share your screen…)
[16:37] <fisch246> ^
[16:38] <fisch246> also muting the summit webpage when on a hangout
[16:38] <cprofitt> gotta run... sorry
[16:39] <czajkowski> aye it's true folks on my team in AU cannot attend UDS
[16:39] <czajkowski> timezones just are not fun
[16:39] <YoBoY> we are working with IRC, perhaps showing the channel when there is a question to register them on the video too, that can be an improvement
[16:40] <czajkowski> reason why I'm not at UDS much is work - just lack enough time to be there
[16:41] <cheesehead> As someone who would never be able to attend a physical UDS, Virtual UDS is vastly better than the old physical meetings.
[16:41] <JoseeAntonioR> urgh, I hate dropping :(
[16:43] <czajkowski> FEEDBACK: Does seem to be less women present at this UDS
[16:43] <czajkowski> feels like a step back, but this may be down to the onair session, but again people can turn off their video.
[16:45] <skellat> FEEDBACK: Avoid scheduling UDS at the same time as Google I/O
[16:45] <czajkowski> jono: the live streaming would freeze
[16:45] <czajkowski> and you'd just see static
[16:45] <czajkowski> sometimes you'd just head the voices and no video
[16:45] <YoBoY> it was with the live streaming on youtube
[16:46] <txwikinger> happend every day for me
[16:46] <cheesehead> I think timezone-shifting is very possible, but only if the schedule is firm earlier.
[16:47] <skellat> czajkowski: Could it be topical matter?  I found less topical matter relevant to me this round compared to March.
[16:48] <skellat> czajkowski: My participation schedule is far lighter than it was in March
[16:48] <czajkowski> jono: for me I care diddly squat about the on air but
[16:48] <czajkowski> but I know some women and men also found it off putting
[16:48] <czajkowski> I pointed out you can turn off the camera
[16:49] <czajkowski> just an observation really
[16:49] <czajkowski> jono: ^
[16:49] <jono> thanks czajkowski :-)
[16:49] <czajkowski> skellat: schedules always vary tbh
[16:50] <czajkowski> jono: yup thanks.
[16:51] <YoBoY> rrnwexec, on work days ? impossible to have a group attending like that ^^"
[16:51] <dshimer> Even a viewer count.
[16:51] <czajkowski> jono: question/feedback Why do people need to register on Launchpad for vUDs, I get why we did it for physical one but makes less sense.  I'd rather we promote the etherpad team people should join  tbh.  I spent monday and tuesday and a lot of yesterday liek toher people adding people to the team
[16:51] <YoBoY> (loco group i mean)
[16:52] <skellat> On a weekend, I theoretically *could* call for a rally of members somewhere in the state capital to get increased participation.  Week days...no way...
[16:52] <YoBoY> +1 skellat on weekend I can orginize that too :)
[16:52] <dshimer> Even
[16:53] <dshimer> Even
[16:55] <txwikinger> We need a paricipant from the ISS since they use linux up there now
[16:55] <bashrc> I think ISS is on RedHat
[16:55] <fisch246> +1 to the beer session
[16:56] <czajkowski> jono: http://uds.ubuntu.com/register/
[16:56] <asomething> Debian, no?
[16:56] <czajkowski> Online from 14 - 16 May 2013
[16:56] <czajkowski> from 2pm - 8pm UTC
[16:59] <YoBoY> thanks everyone
[18:00] <dholbach> anyone who wants to be on this session?
[18:00] <dholbach> any join in on the hangout?
[18:02] <dholbach> https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/9b9c3a9946df787f1eba35e7fe8752bbe4aa3491?authuser=0
[18:03] <dholbach> bkerensa maybe - since you worked with me on the old dev updates? :)
[18:04] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR maybe too? because it'd tie in with uonair?
[18:04] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: yep, just getting ready for it
[18:04] <dholbach> sweeeeet
[18:14] <JoseeAntonioR> urgh, coming back, I dropped AGAIN
[18:16] <dholbach> any more feedback?
[18:16] <txwikinger> still thinking about it :-)
[18:17] <txwikinger> Will those reports be only youtube, or mp3/padcast too?
[18:17] <asomething> I've definitely wondered what the CC gets up to. The TC at least has a public mailing list...
[18:21] <txwikinger> Would it be a good idea to have the councils being held as hangout, or is the fear to lose the documentation that happens on IRC?
[18:22] <dholbach> txwikinger, oh, sorry - only saw your question too late
[18:22] <dholbach> but yeah, it's something we discussed earlier somewhere already
[18:22] <dholbach> and the broad consensus seemed to be that both formats have their merits
[18:23] <dholbach> so that's why we are going to bring back the leadership/governance hangouts soon
[18:23] <dholbach> that was an outcome of the community roundtable sessions I believe
[18:23] <JoseeAntonioR>  yep
[18:23] <txwikinger> ah ok.. sorry missed that dholbach
[18:26] <cprofitt> asomething: the reason the CC mailing list is not public is due to some of the issues we have to deal with being personal/private
[18:31] <rickspencer3> o/
[18:36] <dholbach> rickspencer3, the session finished early :)
[18:36] <rickspencer3> heh
[18:36] <rickspencer3> I couldn't tell, I thought I was watching you live :)
[18:37] <dholbach> yeah, that's a problem we talked about earlier as well - the small red dot in the corner and the small piece of text saying "live" is not enough of an indicator  :)