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| ahoneybun | good afternoon | 02:42 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1181053] package kdm 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-remova... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1181053 (by nilton rosao) | 02:59 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Once you find my kdepim-runtime patch again, it might be a good idea to have a look at bug 982889 and fix up kdm for those that still use it. | 04:10 |
| ubottu | bug 982889 in OEM Priority Project precise "X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/982889 | 04:10 |
| soee | good morning | 06:02 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1181083] "delete" mini-button in text boxes covers right-to-left text @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1181083 (by Ibrahim M. Ghazal) | 06:08 |
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| BluesKaj | Hi all | 11:48 |
| soee | hi Blizzz | 11:49 |
| soee | BluesKaj, | 11:49 |
| BluesKaj | Hi soee | 11:50 |
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| markey | Riddell: "<strohel> Anyone with contact to KUbuntu packagers please tell them they are applying already applied patch to 2.7.1: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/amarok/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_qtwebkit_crash.diff" | 14:41 |
| markey | 2.7.1 already has the anti-crash fix | 14:41 |
| palasso | JontheEchidna, I added a proposed patch for this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314549 I think it might fix the issue (perhaps it'd need a change or two). Plz take a look at it. thnx ;) | 16:06 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 314549 in libqapt "Process more complex markings files" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] | 16:06 |
| JontheEchidna | palasso: thanks. Some more severe bugs popped up right before release so I ran out of time to get to that one | 16:07 |
| palasso | np I hope it'll make it for 13.10. I hope my proposed patch works out and saves you time to work on other things ;) | 16:08 |
| JontheEchidna | :) | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | palasso: I don't see a patch there :P | 16:09 |
| JontheEchidna | shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5674464/ | 16:09 |
| palasso | shadeslayer, there is an attachment I added. It's backend.cpp with the changed I propose | 16:10 |
| palasso | *changes | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | palasso: it's better to post patches instead of whole files | 16:10 |
| shadeslayer | plus, maybe propose it on RB | 16:10 |
| palasso | Ohhh sorry. I didn't know how to do this. It's my first time :( | 16:11 |
| JontheEchidna | nah it's fine for a small patch, I'll just take a look at it right now. | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 16:11 |
| palasso | shadeslayer, what is RB? | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | palasso: when you post a file, developers don't know what's changed | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | so you just post a list of your changes instead of the whole file :) | 16:12 |
| shadeslayer | palasso: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/ | 16:12 |
| JontheEchidna | palasso: did you try compiling this? It doesn't work here | 16:12 |
| palasso | I see... I just thought that everyone uses a diff tool for patches to see the differences :D | 16:12 |
| JontheEchidna | palasso: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5674476/ | 16:13 |
| palasso | JontheEchidna, no I haven't set up a compiler :( I tried to proofread it manually | 16:13 |
| JontheEchidna | palasso: ah, ok. I'll take a look at it and see if I can fix it | 16:13 |
| palasso | JontheEchidna, it needs the fix I thought it'd need | 16:14 |
| palasso | check out the comment I wrote | 16:14 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah it should be something minor like that | 16:15 |
| JontheEchidna | oh, ParseQuoteWord wants a reference to a pointer | 16:16 |
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| JontheEchidna | palasso: all I had to do: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5674532/ | 16:28 |
| palasso | I see | 16:29 |
| JontheEchidna | palasso: seems to work :) | 16:29 |
| palasso | Nice ;) | 16:29 |
| palasso | shadeslayer, just created a KDE Identity https://identity.kde.org/index.php?r=people/view&uid=vpalassopoulos ;) | 16:30 |
| JontheEchidna | I tried with both a muon and synaptic generated file | 16:30 |
| shadeslayer | awesome :) | 16:30 |
| JontheEchidna | palasso: http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=libqapt.git&a=commit&h=4ae0602d0f81f48f58395966a8bce8e57226cb8e | 16:36 |
| JontheEchidna | thanks again! | 16:36 |
| palasso | np yw and thnx for the software JontheEchidna :) | 16:36 |
| lordievader | Good evening. | 17:53 |
| soee | hiho | 18:53 |
| ahoneybun | soee: hi | 18:54 |
| jdoles | Since you are supposedly the developers of Kubuntu, one of you should be able to tell me (or better: give me the commands) how to correctly setup Pulse Audio in a way that works. In particular the part where I don't get just a dummy device. | 19:15 |
| jdoles | Googling for dummy device kde returns a lot of random and wrong suggestions (like adding a user to the audio group). | 19:16 |
| jdoles | Since you designed the system, I kindly ask one of you to document how it is supposed to work including preconditions for all files, etc. | 19:17 |
| ahoneybun | jdoles: you are troubleshooting a audio device? | 19:17 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: I don't understand the question. | 19:18 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: there is nothing wrong with the audio device. | 19:18 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: it is the software. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | jdoles: This isn't a support channel. | 19:18 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: or the configuration. | 19:18 |
| jdoles | ScottK: this isn't support. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | FWIW, for me it just works. | 19:18 |
| jdoles | ScottK: I want to know how you designed it. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | It most certainly is. | 19:18 |
| ScottK | We didn't design it. | 19:18 |
| jdoles | ScottK: yes, you did. | 19:19 |
| ScottK | We ship it the way upstream KDE did it. | 19:19 |
| jdoles | ScottK: wrong. | 19:19 |
| jdoles | ScottK: Kubuntu also includes a configuration for Pulse Audio. | 19:19 |
| ScottK | OK, so me where it's different? | 19:19 |
| jdoles | ScottK: Pulse Audio can be configured in three ways according to Freedesktop.org. | 19:19 |
| ScottK | Which isn't kde.org. | 19:19 |
| jdoles | ScottK: even ignoring that third party documentation. | 19:19 |
| ScottK | So that's irrelevnat. | 19:19 |
| jdoles | ScottK: are you saying I should ask the Ubuntu developers? | 19:20 |
| ScottK | No. | 19:20 |
| ahoneybun | ScottK: I need help with testing a xml file to make a docbook | 19:20 |
| jdoles | ScottK: someone needs to tell me how Pulse Audio is supposed to work. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | jdoles: No. No one NEEDS to. | 19:20 |
| ScottK | ahoneybun: I'm not the best person for that. | 19:21 |
| jdoles | ScottK: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | 19:21 |
| jdoles | ScottK: you might want to change that slogan. | 19:21 |
| ahoneybun | ScottK: ok thanks | 19:21 |
| jdoles | ScottK: Kubuntu -- We don't know what we are doing and we are sure as hell are not going to help you. | 19:21 |
| jdoles | ScottK: better? | 19:21 |
| ScottK | jdoles: This is friendly for me and frankly more friendly than you attitude deserves. | 19:21 |
| jdoles | ScottK: my attitude? | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 19:22 |
| jdoles | ScottK: you are basically giving me the finger. | 19:22 |
| jdoles | ScottK: and then it is my attitude. | 19:22 |
| ScottK | No, you aren't reading what I'm writing. | 19:22 |
| jdoles | ScottK: you distribute Kubuntu, which is a complete operating system. | 19:22 |
| jdoles | ScottK: I ask a simple question about which Pulse Audio configuration is the correct one. | 19:22 |
| jdoles | ScottK: this is basic information. | 19:22 |
| ScottK | Right and you want configuration help. This isn't the channel for that. | 19:23 |
| jdoles | ScottK: NO | 19:23 |
| palasso | If someone reads todays chatlog of #kubuntu will know that jdoles has an awful attitude towards other ppl and keeps complaining all the time | 19:23 |
| jdoles | ScottK: I want to know how you designed it. | 19:23 |
| ahoneybun | jdoles: we take parts from upstream and configure it | 19:23 |
| jdoles | palasso: keeps complaining? | 19:23 |
| ScottK | jdoles: Then look at the code. | 19:23 |
| ahoneybun | well the devels | 19:23 |
| ahoneybun | devs | 19:23 |
| jdoles | ScottK: the code doesn't tell anyone that. | 19:23 |
| jdoles | ScottK: there is a difference between how it is intended and what it actually does. | 19:24 |
| yofel | you... could install another copy in a VM and check what the default configuration is? | 19:24 |
| yofel | most of us don't touch pulseaudio at all | 19:24 |
| jdoles | yofel: no, I can't. | 19:24 |
| jdoles | yofel: because a VM would require a working sound system. | 19:24 |
| jdoles | yofel: which... I don't. | 19:24 |
| jdoles | have | 19:25 |
| jdoles | Can all of you smart asses say something useful and cooperative for a change? | 19:25 |
| ahoneybun | jdoles: by joining this room you are agreeing to use proper language | 19:25 |
| ScottK | Right, because insults encourage me to stop doing $work and focus on your needs. | 19:25 |
| jdoles | You are saying you supposedly develop this, but you cannot say how the audio system is supposed to be setup. | 19:25 |
| yofel | it's hard to tell you something I don't know... | 19:25 |
| jdoles | yofel: now, that's a valid excuse. | 19:26 |
| jdoles | yofel: ScottK however is saying that it is not the task for this channel to be able to point at a resource which documents how Kubuntu Pulse Audio has been designed. | 19:26 |
| jdoles | That is wrong. | 19:26 |
| ScottK | jdoles: I already told you, we follow KDE in this, so it's a standard KDE setup. There's no such thing as Kubuntu pulse audio design. | 19:26 |
| jdoles | ScottK: you are distributing an OS. | 19:27 |
| ScottK | I already said this like three times. | 19:27 |
| jdoles | ScottK: KDE is not an OS. | 19:27 |
| yofel | kubuntu pulseaudio? We use whatever the default KDE configuration of phonon, and ubuntu's default configuration of pulseaudio is | 19:27 |
| jdoles | yofel: and yet Kubuntu is noth supported by Ubuntu or Canonical. | 19:27 |
| jdoles | Hence, you cannot just say "we have got nothing to do with this". | 19:27 |
| jdoles | KDE people say that my distro is broken. | 19:28 |
| jdoles | My distro being what you created. | 19:28 |
| ScottK | jdoles: Where did they say this. | 19:28 |
| jdoles | ScottK: this afternoon. | 19:28 |
| jdoles | ScottK: in #kde. | 19:28 |
| jdoles | ScottK: it is a popular opinion that Kubuntu is a broken KDE distribution. | 19:28 |
| jdoles | ScottK: so, perhaps you might want to fix that at the same time. | 19:29 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: there is nothing wrong with my language. | 19:29 |
| ScottK | Which is deeply ironic since we're probably the least patched KDE distro out there. | 19:29 |
| jdoles | ScottK: no, it is not. | 19:29 |
| ScottK | I'm done. Have a nice life. | 19:29 |
| jdoles | ScottK: they just think that you are really bad at the system portions of it. | 19:29 |
| claydoh | it is a popular opinion that opinions on an irc channel are a dimea dozen | 19:30 |
| ahoneybun | jdoles: cursing is not proper in this room or any IRC room | 19:30 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: I did not curse. | 19:30 |
| jdoles | ahoneybun: and can't you say anything useful? | 19:30 |
| jdoles | claydoh: and please think of your own sentences. | 19:30 |
| jdoles | Are you sure you are developers? | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | jdoles: just to make this abundantly clear, we do not mess with the PA bits | 19:31 |
| claydoh | I did, I just readmy #kubuntu backlog | 19:31 |
| jdoles | It sounds more like you are a bunch of wannabes. | 19:31 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: and I am sure the Ubuntu and KDE people could not care less. | 19:31 |
| palasso | jdoles, if you want sth useful let me tell you that support is done in #kubuntu This channel is for development! | 19:31 |
| shadeslayer | the base OS is the same as Ubuntu, Xubuntu, whatever | 19:31 |
| ahoneybun | I'm not a developer, I just try to help. | 19:32 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: so, show me the documentation for Pulse Audio for my system version which says how it is supposed to be setup. | 19:32 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: if there is no documentation, it is impossible to debug. | 19:32 |
| claydoh | jdoles spent some time harrasing #kubuntu already, palasso | 19:32 |
| jdoles | claydoh: you call is harassing. | 19:32 |
| jdoles | claydoh: I call it discovering that nobody there has any idea of the state of the world. | 19:33 |
| palasso | claydoh, I'm sorry... I guess it's time for this channel now :D | 19:33 |
| yofel | jdoles: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User? Note that we do NOT run it as a system daemon | 19:33 |
| claydoh | yes, you were being unreasonable with those who were attemting to help | 19:33 |
| shadeslayer | jdoles: you're asking the wrong person, since I do not work in that area | 19:33 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: then why are you so unwise to interfere? | 19:33 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: it sounds like a waste of my time to talk to me about things you don't know. | 19:34 |
| jdoles | claydoh: I was the only one being reasonable. | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | sigh, I'm not interfering, I'm just trying to make it clear that we know very little about PA since most of us do not work in that area | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | and for most of us, everything just works | 19:34 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: it was becoming clear already that you are not organized to create an operating system. | 19:34 |
| claydoh | jdoles: sure, you were:( | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 19:35 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: this is not a personal attack. | 19:35 |
| palasso | I think that jdoles is purposefully trolling...... | 19:35 |
| jdoles | palasso: I think you should learn to read. | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | jdoles: what else would you call it | 19:35 |
| jdoles | palasso: my audio does not work. | 19:35 |
| jdoles | palasso: I want it fixed. | 19:35 |
| jdoles | palasso: fix it or help me, and I can help myself. | 19:35 |
| jdoles | palasso: yet, all you do is trolling. | 19:36 |
| claydoh | palasso: I disagree,somewhatbut the actions are there | 19:36 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: an assessment | 19:36 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: it's just something you take personally, which you shouldn't. | 19:36 |
| jdoles | Perhaps everyone who can help works at Google and has an IQ over 150. | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | :/ | 19:37 |
| jdoles | You shouldn't have any hard feelings about that. | 19:37 |
| yofel | telling people that try to help you that they don't know what they're doing is not particulary motivating, you know... | 19:37 |
| jdoles | yofel: it isn't meant to be motivating. | 19:38 |
| yofel | being asked one and the same question by different people is annoying, sure | 19:38 |
| yofel | but not all people were in the channel last time you were asked or didn't read/notice it | 19:38 |
| jdoles | yofel: not only the same question, but depending on the audience dumb questions too. | 19:38 |
| claydoh | jdoles: then why would one treat volunteersthis way | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: can you help with buildign a test package for the docbook? | 19:39 |
| jdoles | yofel: meaning questions that anyone with an understanding of the domain would not ask. | 19:39 |
| maco | hey so guess what there are like 2 people in all of Ubuntu who know how to fix audio drivers | 19:39 |
| maco | One of them is currently deployed in Iraq | 19:39 |
| yofel | so? what do you expect? a set of highly trained IT professionals in a community support channel? | 19:39 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: gah, docbook, /me runs away | 19:39 |
| jdoles | claydoh: just because you are a volunteer does not mean you can do a bad job. | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 19:39 |
| yofel | some people are that, but not everyone knows everything | 19:39 |
| shadeslayer | I'm not touching that stuff ever again | 19:39 |
| jdoles | claydoh: in the real world, you can also get fired from being a volunteer. | 19:39 |
| claydoh | lol there you go | 19:39 |
| maco | So, maybe you can go visit him on a military base in Iraq and get some help | 19:39 |
| maco | but otherwise, just wait for his next shore leave | 19:39 |
| shadeslayer | or maybe you know, post a question in askubuntu, file a bug, or a post on the forums | 19:40 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: what about you? | 19:40 |
| lordievader | jdoles: Most of the people in the support channels are just home-users who want to give back to the community. | 19:40 |
| maco | he's one of the top 5 audio people for all of linux, really | 19:40 |
| shadeslayer | so many support options | 19:40 |
| jdoles | maco: this is not about audio drivers. | 19:40 |
| claydoh | jdoles: inthe real world,I would ask you to leave my store and loose your business | 19:40 |
| maco | jdoles: the interaction of pulse and drivers is always lovely fun | 19:40 |
| jdoles | maco: it's about the infrastructure between generic drivers and pulse. | 19:41 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: I work in IT, but what I'm doing here is mostly learned by years of experience in volunteer work | 19:41 |
| maco | i used to know how some of that works, because i lived with that audio guy and he taught me stuff | 19:41 |
| maco | but i quit doing open source 2 years ago and life has been so much better since then | 19:41 |
| jdoles | maco: one of these things is whether it runs as a system user or not, which my research says that it doesn't in Kubuntu. | 19:41 |
| maco | pulse runs systemwide | 19:41 |
| jdoles | But I am sure there are other properties which make it not work. | 19:41 |
| maco | thats the case in ubuntu, kubuntu, whatever | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | on an related Audio note, has anyone used an external DAC with *buntu? | 19:41 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: I got that branch set up btw | 19:41 |
| jdoles | maco: that's not what the freedesktop.org page said. | 19:41 |
| maco | hmm maybe i forgot then | 19:42 |
| jdoles | maco: the permissions are set up like case 2. | 19:42 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: ah, did you find out what went wrong? | 19:42 |
| * ahoneybun does not know what a DAC is | 19:42 | |
| shadeslayer | jdoles: does /proc/asound/cards list your cards? | 19:42 |
| maco | my sound's worked since i fixed my driver in 2008 so i stopped caring | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: Digital to Audio Converter | 19:42 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: not sure but I got it | 19:42 |
| jdoles | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/PerfectSetup | 19:42 |
| ahoneybun | oh ok | 19:42 |
| jdoles | See that | 19:42 |
| jdoles | shadeslayer: yes | 19:42 |
| yofel | well, that's good at least | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | ^ | 19:42 |
| jdoles | Yes, I can think of that myself too. | 19:42 |
| * maco goes back to not giving a squirrel's toe about people who expect others to fix code for them | 19:43 | |
| shadeslayer | I am uncertain whether #pulseaudio does support | 19:43 |
| jdoles | I don't want to crush your little souls, but I am intelligent, but I cannot guess how you randomly setup things. | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer | but it's worth a shot | 19:43 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: https://code.launchpad.net/~aaronhoneycutt/kubuntu-docs/raring | 19:43 |
| jdoles | and I am intelligent* | 19:43 |
| * claydoh goes and cooks dinner, not a pleasant bit of catchup after a 16 hour day in the warehouse w/o ac | 19:44 | |
| * ahoneybun needs help testing his exported xml files for the DocBook | 19:45 | |
| maco | jdoles: look dude, this channel has 0 to do with pulse audio alright? it's ONLY about the kde desktop applications. it has JACK to do with the audio infrastructure, which is handled by an infrastructure team at Canonical | 19:46 |
| maco | by which i really mean by one person on that team | 19:46 |
| maco | who is very likely asleep right now, since he's in australia | 19:46 |
| jdoles | maco: what is his name? | 19:46 |
| maco | Luke | 19:46 |
| jdoles | Really? No, wonder it works so badly. | 19:47 |
| maco | audio has never, from what i can tell, been a true priority of canonical's | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | just because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it works badly | 19:47 |
| jdoles | The servers just need to keep on running. | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | it works for numerous other people | 19:47 |
| maco | for that matter, when luke gets a chance to get a breather from audio, he works on accessibility, which has ALSO never been a true priority | 19:47 |
| jdoles | Ubuntu: Linux for servers :) | 19:47 |
| maco | accessibility in ubuntu is in an absolutely abysmal state | 19:48 |
| jdoles | Why did they ever market the desktop? | 19:48 |
| maco | but try getting priority shifted away from unity | 19:48 |
| jdoles | Or was that just a marketing technique? | 19:48 |
| maco | people were still using windows xp, 2000, and 98 back when that marketing started | 19:49 |
| maco | the bar was pretty crappy back then | 19:49 |
| jdoles | Windows XP audio never failed ;) | 19:49 |
| maco | well you needed to get a driver | 19:49 |
| jdoles | But yes it has many other "issues". | 19:49 |
| maco | but first you had to get online | 19:49 |
| maco | OH BUT WAIT | 19:49 |
| maco | you couldnt get online with windows xp because you needed to get online to download the driver to get online to download... hang on im reapeating myself | 19:50 |
| jdoles | You also needed to install RAID drivers from a floppy. | 19:50 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 19:50 |
| shadeslayer | this is also going OT btw :P | 19:50 |
| jdoles | Yes, yes, it was terrible. | 19:50 |
| ScottK | When was it not OT. | 19:50 |
| lordievader | maco: Good times, getting wifi drivers without wifi available :) | 19:51 |
| maco | lordievader: wifi? who said wifi? | 19:51 |
| maco | lordievader: xp didnt support ETHERNET | 19:51 |
| lordievader | maco: For me it was allways the wifi :) | 19:51 |
| jdoles | I don't get one thing: if you don't want to be an OS and don't want to change KDE, then what do you want to do? | 19:51 |
| maco | ubuntu could at least use ethernet to get the wireless drivers | 19:51 |
| jdoles | It seems that the empty set of activities remains then, | 19:51 |
| claydoh | ScottK: do you guys have any use for my now-unused arm dev board,the imx-53? | 19:51 |
| jdoles | Or you could become source committers for the various kde projects. | 19:51 |
| maco | some of us have kde commit access | 19:52 |
| maco | i might still | 19:52 |
| jdoles | This is a reasonable suggestion, isn't it? | 19:52 |
| ScottK | claydoh: Not really. | 19:52 |
| maco | it's strongly encouraged in ubuntu-land to contribute upstream | 19:52 |
| claydoh | ScottK: or is it now a bit out of date? | 19:52 |
| maco | or was? i'm not sure it still is | 19:52 |
| claydoh | ok, | 19:52 |
| jdoles | If you don't at all have the intention to support an OS with all the manpower that needs, why do it? | 19:52 |
| ScottK | claydoh: We don't have mx51/53 kernels in the archive. | 19:52 |
| maco | (what with this stupid app store idea that doesnt involve submitting to debian first anymore) | 19:52 |
| maco | jdoles: you know this ain't a support channel, right? | 19:53 |
| jdoles | Clearly you describe yourself as someone who doesn't want to do that. | 19:53 |
| jdoles | maco: yes, but you aren't developing an OS either. | 19:53 |
| jdoles | maco: you only want to develop the applications. | 19:53 |
| jdoles | maco: you don't need an OS for that. | 19:53 |
| ScottK | And I need to rebuild eglibc for raring/saucy to make a custom version that will work on my mx51 efikas. | 19:53 |
| maco | jdoles: sure i am, at my paid job, that has NOTHING to do with ubuntu or kubuntu except that many of us run it on our desktops :) | 19:53 |
| maco | as for this channel... | 19:53 |
| maco | the kubuntu team works with the ubuntu team to make the OS | 19:53 |
| maco | most support for *ubuntu (dont care if that's xubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu...whatever) happens on AskUbuntu, in #ubuntu, or on the Ubuntu Forums | 19:54 |
| lordievader | Or in their own support channels, like #kubuntu, #lubuntu, etc. | 19:55 |
| maco | you're asking questions about stuff that has nothing to do with kde, you can use the generic ones just fine | 19:55 |
| jdoles | maco: ScottK said earlier than I shouldn't ask Ubuntu about Kubuntu issues. | 19:55 |
| jdoles | maco: but I suppose I could install Unity to keep up appearances. | 19:56 |
| jdoles | maco: I also understand that all those systems are the same. | 19:56 |
| valorie | oh my goodness, just reading backlog | 20:42 |
| valorie | who has ops in this channel? | 20:43 |
| maco | valorie: Riddell, i think | 20:43 |
| Tm_T | I do | 20:44 |
| valorie | well, trolls should not be allowed to kill everyone's enthusiasm, IMO | 20:44 |
| Tm_T | too late | 20:44 |
| valorie | yeah | 20:44 |
| ahoneybun | I'm up to doing some work | 20:45 |
| valorie | let me just say to all the helpful people here without ops: I love you, and you create a wonderful system | 20:45 |
| valorie | and let's stop feeding trolls | 20:46 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I exported the xml with community.kde.org | 20:46 |
| valorie | great! | 20:47 |
| valorie | so where did you set that up? | 20:47 |
| valorie | thanks Tm_T | 20:47 |
| yofel | Tm_T: thanks | 20:47 |
| ahoneybun | http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu-Docs/Raring | 20:47 |
| ahoneybun | Tm_T: thanks that was not nice to see | 20:48 |
| ahoneybun | yes I need to fix something I know | 20:48 |
| Tm_T | just ignore such rants | 20:48 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: did you talk to the www people before setting this up? | 20:48 |
| ahoneybun | um | 20:48 |
| valorie | Tm_T: good advice | 20:48 |
| ahoneybun | I was told to see how it worked | 20:49 |
| valorie | good reminder for everyone | 20:49 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: ? | 20:49 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: no I did not... | 20:49 |
| ahoneybun | my bad | 20:50 |
| valorie | imo it's worth talking to the experts | 20:51 |
| valorie | they are great people | 20:51 |
| ahoneybun | what for permission or advice on how to make it better? | 20:51 |
| ahoneybun | #kde-www? | 20:51 |
| valorie | yes | 20:52 |
| ahoneybun | for permission to post there? | 20:52 |
| valorie | not so much permission, as fitting in with the administration of the wiki | 20:52 |
| ahoneybun | advice then | 20:52 |
| valorie | now that you have a page, they can look at it | 20:52 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 20:53 |
| valorie | it's possible they'll move the page to fit into the organization scheme | 20:53 |
| ahoneybun | I just want to see if the xml file it shot out will work for what we need before I continue | 20:53 |
| valorie | cool | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | I don't know how to do that | 20:55 |
| valorie | thanks again for all the work you've been doing on this | 20:55 |
| valorie | ah, they can tell you that as well | 20:55 |
| valorie | I've forgotten | 20:55 |
| valorie | since I didn't blog about it | 20:55 |
| valorie | lol | 20:55 |
| ahoneybun | lol | 20:56 |
| ahoneybun | what do I say | 20:57 |
| ahoneybun | like what am I trying to do | 20:57 |
| ahoneybun | make a package? | 20:57 |
| shadeslayer | send me a sandwich | 20:57 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 20:57 |
| shadeslayer | nvm ... | 20:58 |
| ahoneybun | I get it | 20:58 |
| valorie | :-) | 21:01 |
| ahoneybun | what am I doing, making a package? | 21:02 |
| ahoneybun | valorie: can you jump in and help explain | 21:06 |
| Blizzz | since there is no news on the website, is kde 4.10.3 from ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa good to use (or test)? | 21:08 |
| ahoneybun | Blizzz: I know somethings from 4.10.3 are on the kubuntu-backports PPA for 12.04 | 21:08 |
| Blizzz | i mean for 13.04 | 21:09 |
| Blizzz | yofel: ^ | 21:09 |
| ahoneybun | Blizzz: I'm just saying that the backports have some of it | 21:09 |
| ahoneybun | not sure about anything else | 21:09 |
| Blizzz | k | 21:10 |
| Riddell | valorie: hmm problems on channel? | 21:19 |
| valorie | yes, you read my email? | 21:20 |
| valorie | Tm_T: quieted our troll, but ..... | 21:20 |
| ScottK | Sometimes it's hard to tell who's a troll and who needs education. | 21:20 |
| ScottK | (at least at first) | 21:20 |
| Riddell | valorie: I'm happy to give ops to any kubuntu member | 21:21 |
| valorie | ScottK: sure | 21:22 |
| valorie | getting ops on a *buntu channel is a bit of a pain | 21:23 |
| valorie | hopefully someone else steps up! | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | mh | 21:23 |
| Riddell | valorie: do you want ops? | 21:23 |
| yofel | Blizzz: it is usable, it's really only the news item that's missing | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | "one of you should be able to tell me (or better: give me the commands) how to correctly setup Pulse Audio in a way that works" | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | support | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | end of story | 21:24 |
| valorie | not today, but thank you for the trust, Riddell | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | valorie: if you get on the council you'll become op anyway :P | 21:24 |
| valorie | I'll reconsider if others don't step up | 21:24 |
| valorie | apachelogger: ha | 21:24 |
| apachelogger | it's not like we have a lack of ops in here | 21:24 |
| valorie | I did vote for myself, so I got at least one vote! | 21:25 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 21:25 |
| ScottK | In my case, I had a lack of knowing how to give myself +o. | 21:25 |
| valorie | if elected, I will take up ops, and make myself a cheat sheet | 21:25 |
| valorie | when crunch time comes, i can never remember the relevent commands either | 21:25 |
| shadeslayer | valorie: likewise :P | 21:26 |
| ScottK | 31 voters so far, so 1 is not an insignificant fraction of what it takes to win. | 21:26 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: msg ChanServ op #kubuntu-devel | 21:26 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: 31? only? :O | 21:26 |
| ScottK | shadeslayer: Of 53. | 21:26 |
| shadeslayer | we only have 53 Kubuntu members? | 21:26 |
| ScottK | Yep. | 21:26 |
| apachelogger | "only" | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | quality > quantity | 21:27 |
| ScottK | We are elite. | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 21:27 |
| ScottK | Riddell himself says so. | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | and considering only 31 have voted so far I'll argue that quality needs evaluation ^^ | 21:27 |
| shadeslayer | "Linux Mint 15 Most Ambitious Release Ever" | 21:27 |
| Blizzz | yofel: great, thank you for packaging :) | 21:27 |
| * shadeslayer falls of his chair | 21:27 | |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I guess hoping for I hope in vain if I think of cleaned up packaging? | 21:28 |
| yofel | s/hope for// | 21:28 |
| kubotu | yofel: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: I don't think that's ever going to happen | 21:28 |
| shadeslayer | but hey, they had over a 1000 commits in Cinnamon and MATE | 21:29 |
| shadeslayer | http://ostatic.com/blog/linux-mint-15-most-ambitious-release-ever | 21:29 |
| yofel | bummer | 21:29 |
| ScottK | PyQt5 needs packaging if you want to make a clean start on something. | 21:29 |
| yofel | the last people that advertised commits were some folks that makes something called trinity | 21:29 |
| yofel | *make | 21:30 |
| ScottK | I've been slowly adding Kubuntu packaging to https://www.ohloh.net/p/kubuntu-packaging | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | did you know that agateau's laptop is called trinity :P | 21:30 |
| ScottK | If you want to count commits ... | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | ruby : 8% | 21:30 |
| shadeslayer | I bet that's all apachelogger's code | 21:30 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 21:30 |
| yofel | oh, oloh stats, nice | 21:31 |
| ScottK | That or patches of crap upstream work. | 21:31 |
| ScottK | Not done yet. Still adding packages. | 21:31 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 21:31 |
| shadeslayer | btw seems like Jessie A. Morris forgot to remove a patch from Amarok | 21:31 |
| shadeslayer | which is a bit odd that it didn't fail to apply | 21:32 |
| yofel | lol, I'm second place in commit count o.O | 21:32 |
| ScottK | Yeah, markey mentioned that earlier today. | 21:32 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, I'm a bit surprised that the patch didn't fail to apply | 21:32 |
| shadeslayer | yikes, my laptop is trying to kill me | 21:33 |
| shadeslayer | just like the dishwasher at Pinea | 21:33 |
| shadeslayer | *Pineda | 21:33 |
| yofel | the context is too ambigous | 21:34 |
| valorie | how is your laptop like a dishwasher? | 21:34 |
| shadeslayer | it's not, both tried to kill me by zapping me with current | 21:34 |
| yofel | it simply successfully applied right below the same code | 21:34 |
| jessie | shadeslayer: What? Which patch was this? Cause Riddell handled the patches. | 21:34 |
| shadeslayer | hah | 21:34 |
| yofel | shadeslayer, jessie: what happened: http://paste.kde.org/746000 | 21:35 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 21:35 |
| yofel | context was just: | 21:35 |
| yofel | @@ -818,6 +818,20 @@ | 21:35 |
| yofel | } | 21:35 |
| yofel | } | 21:35 |
| yofel | 21:35 | |
| yofel | + { // remove <audio> tags (can lead to crashes in QtWebKit) | 21:35 |
| jessie | yofel: Ah, yeah, I see that 12-24 and 26-38 are the same. Looks like that code got doubled. | 21:36 |
| shadeslayer | jessie: https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/amarok/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_qtwebkit_crash.diff < needs removing | 21:36 |
| shadeslayer | also interesting is that it didn't fail to compile because tag is declared 2 times, different scopes? | 21:36 |
| yofel | why would it fail? the code has it's own scope thanks to the brackets | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, that's what I just said | 21:37 |
| yofel | er, right | 21:37 |
| shadeslayer | except it was more of an "I /think/ that's why it failed" | 21:38 |
| shadeslayer | jessie: do you want to fix? | 21:39 |
| yofel | I kind of stopped reading at the colon... | 21:39 |
| shadeslayer | colon? there is no colon in that sentence :D | 21:39 |
| yofel | shows how tired I am, s/colon/comma/ | 21:40 |
| jessie | shadeslayer: Probably not today. I'll likely be leaving for home here in about 30 minutes. | 21:40 |
| jessie | Sorry for breaking things on my first packaging. :-/ | 21:41 |
| yofel | well, most of us wouldn't have noticed it either as it doesn't fail to apply | 21:42 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 21:43 |
| shadeslayer | I'll fix it :) | 21:44 |
| shadeslayer | anyone want to upload libechonest and tomahawk? | 21:44 |
| jessie | shadeslayer: Thank you. My life has been a cluster lately, so I do appreciate you fixing my mess up. | 21:44 |
| shadeslayer | jessie: no problem :) | 21:44 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: because people refuse to speak sane languages | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | look at the changes to l10n-common :( | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | and that's bash | 21:56 |
| shadeslayer | all fixed and uploaded | 22:03 |
| valorie | thanks shadeslayer | 22:05 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 22:05 |
| jessie | shadeslayer: You rock, man. | 22:12 |
| shadeslayer | :) | 22:13 |
| jessie | So, question: Why the hell does Nepomuk file indexer always crash for me? | 22:13 |
| yofel | jessie: do you have a backtrace at hand? | 22:15 |
| jessie | yofel: No, it won't even start up though. Best way to get one? x-session errors? | 22:16 |
| yofel | hm, that would be the first place to look, yeah | 22:17 |
| jessie | http://pastie.org/7923143 There's some error data in there for sure. | 22:17 |
| yofel | those don't look related to nepomuk though... | 22:25 |
| jessie | yofel: Good point, those are bluetooth ones. Let me try to filter it a bit more | 22:25 |
| jessie | yofel: http://pastie.org/7923183 Looks like it never initializes? | 22:27 |
| yofel | o.O | 22:27 |
| yofel | vHanda: ^ ? | 22:28 |
| shadeslayer | probably not around | 22:28 |
| jessie | I've removed .local/nepomuk and .config/nepomuk and .kde/share/[apps|config]/nepomuk | 22:28 |
| * yofel is clueless how that would happen | 22:28 | |
| shadeslayer | unless he's at the office at 12 in the night :P | 22:28 |
| yofel | probably not ^^ | 22:28 |
| jessie | I've cleared everything that is nepomuk related and then it runs for ages and then it dies and refuses to start up until I purge configs again. | 22:28 |
| jessie | I do have a very atypical setup that vHanda fixed once before. | 22:29 |
| jessie | My /home/jessie/ is on my SSD but things like ~/Music and ~/Documents and ~/... etc are on my HDD. | 22:29 |
| jessie | I have ~/Music set up as a symlink. | 22:29 |
| jessie | There once was an issue with infinite recursion happening because of the links I had set up with Wine. | 22:30 |
| jessie | But that was fixed. | 22:30 |
| yofel | that's not unusual, mine looks similiar at least | 22:30 |
| jessie | Well, regardless, it makes me a sad panda cause email searching and such doesn't work very well without Nepomuk. | 22:31 |
| valorie | it's good to hear someone *wanting* nepomuk for a change | 22:32 |
| valorie | thank you vHanda! | 22:32 |
| jessie | Oh, I love nepomuk when it works. But it seems to crash on me. :-( | 22:33 |
| ahoneybun | jessie: same here | 22:37 |
| jessie | ahoneybun: It does awesome things like lets me find docs from krunner and stuff. | 22:38 |
| ahoneybun | yea its cool | 22:38 |
| ahoneybun | when it works | 22:38 |
| jessie | Well, I gotta bounce. My wedding reception is tomorrow, so business abounds. | 22:39 |
| jessie | When is vHanda usually on? | 22:39 |
| valorie | guys, it's been great | 23:47 |
| * valorie is off for about 4 hours | 23:47 | |
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