[01:11] <FogHornLegHorn> hi, can someone help me out with the powermanagment options.. or how do i add extra options. i dont want it to hibernate when i shut the lid and there are no options for this that i see.
[01:37] <SonikkuAmerica> FogHornLegHorn: It's been a while since I used KDE, but I think it's inside Power Management in System Settings...
[01:39] <SonikkuAmerica> FogHornLegHorn: The way each one works is based on what type of power source the machine is on.
[06:17] <Enkidu_ak> I had a little accident which disabled some of my sata ports on my board. I've moved my drives down to functioning ports and now grub is in a panic. Grub drops into rescue saying that it can't find a soecific uuid, but when I boot manually from grub rescue, I can't find that device listed anywhere in grub.cfg or blkid. I have tried reinstalling grub to /dev/sda again, but it fails with the same error. Is there a config that I am missing?
[06:20] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: Can you still see the harddrive(s) from a live-session?
[06:21] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, I can, though I unmounted /dev/sda before installing grub again. I can still see the drives, though
[06:22] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: Ok, how did you (re)install grub?
[06:22] <Enkidu_ak> Verified the settings in grub.cfg, unmounted /dev/sda, typed: grub-install /dev/sda. rebooted
[06:24] <lordievader> Try to install grub again, but this time mount /dev/sda1 (<-- that should be root (/)). Then install grub with: sudo grub-install --boot-directory=/mnt/boot /dev/sda
[06:26] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, Ah, I think I've led you astray. I'm not using a livecd, I booted to my linux partition manually from grub rescue, so / is already mounted as / and /boot is live as well.
[06:27] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, That being the case, wouldn't grub-install /dev/sda have precisely the effect which your suggestion would have if I mounted root from a live cd?
[06:28] <Enkidu_ak> Oh, I understand. I meant the grub rescue prompt, not the grub rescue cd
[06:29] <lordievader> That last message threw me off the track, what did you do in the grub rescue prompt?
[06:34] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, Set prefix=(hd2,1)/boot/grub; insmod (hd2,1)/boot/grub/linux.mod; set root=(hd2,1); linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-40-generic root=/dev/sdb1; initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-40-generic; boot
[06:34] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, Thus booting my linux partition manually
[06:35] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, I was saying that I'm not running a livecd, that / is already mounted as /
[06:36] <lordievader> Ok, thank you. But yes installing from / probably is the same as the command I gave you for the live-session.
[06:37] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, That is what I thought as well, but grub is still unhappy for some reason.
[06:37] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, I can't figure out where it is getting that bad uuid.
[06:37] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: You could check if the UUID is still the same. /etc/fstab probably has the old UUID, for the current UUID issue "ls -l /dev/disks/by-uuid/"
[06:37] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, Ah, good idea
[06:38] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, fstab matches the uuid's listed in grub.cfg. All of them match up with blkid
[06:40] <Enkidu_ak> One moment, I'm going to switch to the laptop so that I can tinker while we converse.
[06:40] <lordievader> Sure, no problem.
[06:43] <Enkidu_ak> I've returned, hopefully I haven't missed any of your correspondence.
[06:45] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, grub-install seems to conclude without issue. In fact, it reports that no errors occured. Clearly something got lost in the transaction
[06:45] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: No, I was thinking maybe "sudo update-grub" might work.
[06:46] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: I had a similair problem once, grub-install wouldn't update the boot list properly, update-grub did fix the problem.
[06:46] <Enkidu_ak> I'll give it a shot
[06:59] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, It's still looking for that same phantom drive.
[06:59] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, I ran update-grub and then grub-install /dev/sda again
[07:06] <lordievader> That is most dissapointing. I have to say I'm out of ideas :(
[07:06] <Enkidu_ak> I got my hopes up when update-grub regenerated the cfg.
[07:07] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: You do not have multiple drives in your system?
[07:07] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, I do. sda has two ntfs partitions on it and sdb2 has an ext4 part and swap
[07:07] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, sda is the boot device
[07:09] <lordievader> Hmm, that should be correct then... Have you seen this thread: http://superuser.com/questions/485722/how-do-i-fix-a-wrong-uuid-in-grub-cfg
[07:09] <lordievader> Not sure if it is about grub1 or grub2.
[07:11] <Enkidu_ak> I hadn't seen that, but in my case the suspect uuid isn't even in the config. That's what kills me, I have no idea why grub keeps looking for it.
[07:11] <lordievader> Enkidu_ak: I have to go, good luck with your problem, I hope you find a solution soon.
[07:11] <Enkidu_ak> lordievader, Thanks
[11:48] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:52] <avihay> damn, my notifications are off-screen ever since I connected to an external monitor and moved them a bit
[11:52] <avihay> also hi BluesKaj
[11:53] <BluesKaj> hi avihay
[11:54] <avihay> anyone happen to know what config file they are in?
[11:54] <avihay> because I can't find a way to fix this from the gui
[11:59] <BluesKaj> avi hat set the monitor resolution to the same  res as the laptop or vice versa if possible
[11:59] <BluesKaj> avihay,
[12:00] <avihay> I don't have the monitor anymore :-<
[12:02] <avihay> need a virtual screen
[12:02] <avihay> no, need a more sane desktop
[13:55] <Touhou11> What will happen to Kubuntu if KDE developers don't wish to write code to support Mir? Will it switch to Wayland instead? Or use Mir through an X Server?
[13:56] <BluesKaj> Touhou11, rumours are that wayland is in our future
[13:57] <Touhou11> That's good news :)
[13:57] <BluesKaj> mir is already running patrtially with X ubuntu on 13.10 test release
[13:58] <BluesKaj> partially
[13:59] <Touhou11> Seems a waste of effort to me, given wayland is further along
[13:59] <Touhou11> But I don't know what decisions go on at Canonical behind closed doors
[14:00] <BluesKaj> I don't know much about the development of either of them
[14:02] <BluesKaj> kubuntu is now under the Blue Systems umbrella , so we may see a parting of the ways soon and kubuntu become more based directly on debian than ubuntu
[14:09] <tixonrazg> hello everybody
[15:05] <92AAANIQN> Hallo
[15:07] <92AAANIQN> I have a notebokk and an external monitor, and used i to share desktop with notebook monitor. I Can add a panel to the second monitor area, but is there a way to make visible that panel only when the second monitor is connected?
[15:09] <jdoles> Hello, can anyone tell me how Pulse Audio should be setup on Kubuntu?
[15:09] <jdoles> I want to know absolutely everything.
[15:09] <jdoles> I am getting "Connection refuses when I followed Freedesktop.org advice".
[15:10] <jdoles> Connection refused
[15:16] <aram_> hi
[15:16] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: [ sudo apt-get install pulseaudio ] should get you everything you need.
[15:17] <jdoles> SonikkuAmerica: it doesn't.
[15:17] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: How so? Worked for me on a 13.04 install.
[15:17] <BluesKaj> jdoles, pulseaudio control had a gui called pavucontrol , it's used to set the input and output connections for your audio apps
[15:17] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: s/had/has
[15:18] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: Set it in your favorites in Kickoff (or Homerun)
[15:18] <92AAANIQN> Hello BluesKaj
[15:18] <jdoles> Please suggest something I *cannot* think of.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> jdoles, we don't read minds here , what's your OS release version ?
[15:19] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: #kubuntu-paranormal ? :)
[15:20] <jdoles> precise
[15:20] <BluesKaj> SonikkuAmerica,  :)
[15:20] <jdoles> I purged pulseaudio and reinstall it.
[15:20] <jdoles> That is what you suggested essentially.
[15:21] <BluesKaj> not me
[15:21] <jdoles> AO: [pulse] Init failed: Connection refused
[15:21] <jdoles> Failed to initialize audio driver 'pulse'
[15:21] <jdoles> This is what mplayer says.
[15:21] <jdoles> So, I ask you: what is the correct configuration for pulseaudio?
[15:22] <BluesKaj> install pavucontrol it's a gui for pulseaudio ...and read what ppl suggest , please.
[15:22] <jdoles> You created this distribution, right? According to freedesktop.org there are 3 ways of configuring it.
[15:22] <BluesKaj> jdoles, ^
[15:22] <jdoles> BluesKaj: it doesn't work on a _lower_ level.
[15:22] <jdoles> Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK
[15:22] <jdoles> BluesKaj: that is what your beloved pavucontrol says.
[15:23] <jdoles> Whoever created this distribution should know how it is supposed to be setup.
[15:23] <BluesKaj> pulseaudio is in the kubuntu repositories, it's not Pulse Audio
[15:23] <jdoles> BluesKaj: uh, huh?
[15:23] <BluesKaj> as is pavucontrol
[15:24] <jdoles> BluesKaj: you are not making any sense.
[15:24] <jdoles> BluesKaj: I am running Kubuntu, I am in the Kubuntu support channel, now tell me what I am doing wrong.
[15:25] <BluesKaj> you're not reading our suggestions
[15:25] <jdoles> BluesKaj: I said that I started pavucontrol.
[15:25] <jdoles> BluesKaj: I told you what it said.
[15:25] <jdoles> BluesKaj: so, I followed your suggestion and now you can say what else to do.
[15:25] <jdoles> BluesKaj: because clearly running pavucontrol doesn't work.
[15:25] <jdoles> BluesKaj: is that already clear for you?
[15:26] <jdoles> BluesKaj: PAVUCONTROL DOES NOT WORK.
[15:26] <jdoles> BluesKaj: got it already?
[15:26] <jdoles> BluesKaj: Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK
[15:26] <jdoles> BluesKaj: Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK
[15:26] <jdoles> BluesKaj: Fatal Error: Unable to connect to PulseAudio: OK
[15:26] <SonikkuAmerica> I'll tell you right now that attitude is not exactly one we'd like to listen to.
[15:26] <BluesKaj> are you finished ?
[15:27] <BluesKaj> jdoles, , how about telling about your audio cards and hardware
[15:27] <jdoles> BluesKaj: yes, now it's your turn to say something to *help* me.
[15:28] <jdoles> BluesKaj: that is all irrelevant.
[15:28] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: How so?!
[15:28] <jdoles> BluesKaj: I need to know how the permissions need to be setup.
[15:28] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: Is this not audio we are talking about?
[15:28] <jdoles> SonikkuAmerica: I already know that devices all work.
[15:28] <jdoles> SonikkuAmerica: I don't need you questioning me.
[15:28] <BluesKaj> well if you think audio hardware is irrelevant then I can't help you
[15:28] <jdoles> BluesKaj: ...
[15:28] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: Ditto.
[15:29] <jdoles> BluesKaj: WHY CAN'T YOU JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION?
[15:29] <jdoles> BluesKaj: all you are doing is saying worthless things.
[15:29] <smartboyhw> !patience | jdoles
[15:29] <jdoles> Who actually knows something about Kubuntu?
[15:30] <jdoles> Do I have to pay that Blue Systems company money to get it to work and are you just here to drive people insane?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> …
[15:30] <jdoles> smartboyhw: He has not answered a single question.
[15:30] <BluesKaj> don't think we need to help drive you insane , jdoles
[15:30] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: You haven't answered ours.
[15:30] <jdoles> smartboyhw: all he does is ask me questions of which I know that they are irrelevant.
[15:31] <jdoles> SonikkuAmerica: because you don't know anything.
[15:31] <jdoles> I asked one question which is hardware independent.
[15:31] <smartboyhw> jdoles: I think at least some of them are relevant.
[15:31] <BluesKaj> ok that's enough
[15:31] <jdoles> Why can't you just answer that question?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> !ops | jdoles
[15:31] <jdoles> smartboyhw: what you think is also irrelevant.
[15:32] <smartboyhw> jdoles: Stop insulting
[15:32] <jdoles> smartboyhw: I haven't insulted anyone.
[15:32] <jdoles> smartboyhw: I am just saying that what you think has nothing to do with reality.
[15:32] <jdoles> smartboyhw: while you may think there is any relation, I can assure you there is not.
[15:33] <txwikinger> please everybody play nice here
[15:33] <jdoles> I asked a support question and all I get back are a bunch of ignorant people who ask me irrelevant questions.
[15:33] <yofel> the only thing I can tell about pulseaudio is that the default configuration is set to user sessions (not system service) and that it's supposed to auto-launch when something needs it.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> txwikinger, that's going to stop him
[15:34] <jdoles> yofel: can you use mplayer?
[15:34] <jdoles> yofel: via pulse audio output, that is?
[15:34] <jdoles> yofel: are you in the audio group?
[15:34] <yofel> I can
[15:34] <jdoles> yofel: execute the groups command.
[15:34] <yofel> no, I'm not
[15:34] <BluesKaj> his pulseaudio doesn't launch when called
[15:34] <yofel> yofel adm dialout cdrom sudo plugdev fuse lpadmin admin sambashare libvirtd wireshark
[15:35] <yofel> is there a pulseaudio process running?
[15:35] <jdoles> yofel: yes
[15:35] <yofel> is it killable by running 'pulseaudio -k' ?
[15:35] <jdoles> Yes
[15:36] <jdoles> yofel: we are getting somewhere
[15:36] <BluesKaj> dunno why we shoulf reward insults with help and advice ...guess the COC doesn't matter anymore
[15:36] <jdoles> yofel: mplayer plays audio now.
[15:37] <jdoles> yofel: but there is no audio coming out of it.
[15:37] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: Good call... why did I even create an OpenPGP key then?
[15:37] <BluesKaj> I'm disgusted by this
[15:37] <jdoles> BluesKaj: "we", yofel is not part of your collective.
[15:37] <SonikkuAmerica> jdoles: Ubuntu IS a collective.
[15:37] <jdoles> BluesKaj: he is merely showing how to help, unlike you.
[15:38] <yofel> jdoles: really, you *were* out of line before. Some people might not exactly know how to help you but still try, please don't stamp on their efforts
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yuou answered his questions , but ours were irrelavant , jdol
[15:38] <jdoles> yofel: if I don't do it, then who does?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> jdoles,
[15:39] <yofel> if mplayer plays audio, pulse is at least not stuck anymore
[15:39] <jdoles> yofel: who draws the line that some people shouldn't talk at all?
[15:39] <smartboyhw> jdoles: Try the instructions in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1901579
[15:39] <yofel> jdoles: you tell them *politely* that your issue is different
[15:39] <BluesKaj> that's it ...ignore is on
[15:39] <txwikinger> BluesKaj: The CoC also requires not to see everything in the most negative way
[15:40] <txwikinger> So all of you just try to be a little nicer
[15:41] <txwikinger> Nobody wins by confrontations
[15:41] <BluesKaj> txwikinger, great , thanks for the advice ...really needed that support
[15:41] <yofel> anyway, if pulse isn't stuck anyomre I would check the sound device configuration. If it's not that then I'm out of ideas. (that part of the stack isn't my expertise)
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh hello txwikinger. We're all trying as hard as we can, but sometimes,...
[15:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Maybe we all need to re-read that doc.
[15:41] <smartboyhw> jdoles: People that can't help you in your case doesn't mean that we are not allowed to talk. Sometimes we are not good at certain aspects (in this case, audio). But everyone here has a heart to help. So please, respect us.
[15:41] <txwikinger> SonikkuAmerica: Yes .. no problem :-)
[15:43] <BluesKaj> yofel, he's using a usb mic and audacity apparently works , because it links up to alsa directly bypassing the pulse server
[15:44] <yofel> oh fun, I know nothing about usb audio devices. If pavucontrol lists the device and it doesn't work I'm clueless
[15:45] <SonikkuAmerica> yofel: The Configuration tab usually messes with that
[15:46] <BluesKaj> it's pavucontrol input option that needs configuring  ...hsan't mentioned anything except that everything else "works"
[15:49] <BluesKaj> like I said before I would be perfectly happy without pulseaudio , if it weren't needed to link webaudio to alsa
[15:50] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: I wish we could just throw ALSA out the window altogether, but that isn't possible (yet)
[15:50] <BluesKaj> not alsa SonikkuAmerica , throw pulseaudio
[15:51] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: How else would I get my USB headphones to work?!
[15:51] <BluesKaj> pulse can't operate alone , but als can
[15:51] <BluesKaj> alsa
[15:52] <BluesKaj> yeah , that' where the alsa devs have given in to the pulseaudio advocates ...that happened back in 9.10
[15:57] <BluesKaj> input and output switching needs pavucontrol , alsamixer used to have that role , but now linux audio is such messy dog's breakfast it causes needless and endless problems with every release ...ppl  get frustrated and angry over it as we have all winessed here today
[15:59] <jdoles> Pulse Audio now seems to be playing to a dummy device instead of some Intel device.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> does the intel device show in phonon ?
[16:01] <BluesKaj> device preferences
[16:03] <BluesKaj> run , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel in the konsole to load the driver , there won't be any output if it loads properly , jdoles
[16:04] <jdoles> BluesKaj: no, and it had already been loaded.
[16:04] <jdoles> BluesKaj: it showed up before.
[16:04] <jdoles> BluesKaj: but not anymore.
[16:05] <BluesKaj> it should be listed in phonon device preferencs then
[16:05] <jdoles> BluesKaj: why are you arguing with reality?
[16:05] <jdoles> BluesKaj: it doesn't.
[16:06] <BluesKaj> well, loading a driver sometimes requires reboot  or force alsa reload
[16:20] <BluesKaj> too late , eagles0513875
[16:21] <BluesKaj> BBL , wife wants to watch the local news
[16:23] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[16:41] <aram_> hey people why new kubuntu sometimes after starting up has no sound?
[16:41] <aram_> kubuntu 13
[16:41] <aram_> 13.04
[16:41] <aram_> :)
[16:44] <SonikkuAmerica> aram_: Does the volume mixer icon appear at all?
[16:45] <aram_> yes
[16:45] <aram_> it starts normally
[16:45] <aram_> mixer is working
[16:45] <aram_> but no sounds
[16:45] <SonikkuAmerica> No sound at all?
[16:45] <aram_> after restart it or will be ok or will be without sound
[16:46] <aram_> yes
[16:46] <aram_> no in all apps
[16:46] <aram_> i tryed to uninstall pulseaudio
[16:46] <SonikkuAmerica> What does that mean? System sounds are OK, but in-app sounds aren't?
[16:47] <jdoles> Why do I see a dummy device and not the Intel device?
[16:47] <SonikkuAmerica> aram_: Don't do that?!
[16:47] <aram_> NO sOUNDS At ALL in all apps
[16:47] <aram_> including system
[16:47] <aram_> i did it ahahah but now i haave installed back it again
[16:47] <aram_> ^_^
[16:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Oh. Is it HDMI audio?
[16:47] <aram_> no
[16:47] <aram_> built in speakers
[16:47] <aram_> it is my laptop
[16:48] <aram_> and i have no sound everywhere on earphones too
[16:48] <SonikkuAmerica> Intel HD Audio?
[16:48] <aram_> yes
[16:48] <aram_> it is intel
[16:48] <aram_> everything is intel, processor, videocard, sound card
[16:49] <SonikkuAmerica> Weird.
[16:50] <SonikkuAmerica> aram_: How many times have you rebooted?
[16:51] <aram_> it usualy takes one time ,,, but today i did it twice,,, sometimes after rebooting i can see that volume control is on 0 db,,,
[16:51] <BluesKaj> aram_, just to be sure , open a terminal and do , lspci | grep -i audio
[16:51] <SonikkuAmerica> BluesKaj: Ohai. You back?
[16:51] <aram_> with sudo?
[16:51] <SonikkuAmerica> aram_: Nope
[16:51] <BluesKaj> no sudo needed
[16:51] <aram_> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 6 Series/C200 Series Chipset Family High Definition Audio Controller (rev 05)
[16:52] <aram_> ^_^
[16:53] <SonikkuAmerica> Let me see...
[16:54] <SonikkuAmerica> Do you have [ pavucontrol ] up and running? If not, run it (via KRunner or in a konsole)
[16:54] <aram_> minute
[16:54] <aram_> i should install it
[16:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Yes you should. That'll fix half the battle (hopefully)
[16:55] <BluesKaj> aram_, ok , your kernel module/driver might not be loading , in the terminal , sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , there won't be any output if it loads properly , then you have to reboot
[16:55] <aram_> mmm
[16:55] <aram_> minute
[16:56] <BluesKaj> pavucontrol will help , yes
[16:56] <aram_> i did <<sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel>>
[16:56] <aram_> no new message appeared
[16:56] <aram_> what does it mean?
[16:57] <Wolkec> hello
[16:57] <Wolkec> can someone help me
[16:57] <aram_> hi
[16:57] <BluesKaj> it means your audio driver loaded properly without any errors
[16:57] <BluesKaj> Wolkec, just ask your question
[16:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Oops...
[16:58] <aram_> ?
[16:58] <SonikkuAmerica> aram_: Now reboot again. (No output means it went fine.) (I quit the channel on accidnet)
[16:58] <SonikkuAmerica> *accident
[16:58] <aram_> ^_^
[16:58] <aram_> ill be right backckckc
[16:59] <aram_> and  pavucontrol is installed
[17:16] <aram_> hello again
[17:16] <aram_> im backckc
[17:17] <aram_> ^_^
[17:17] <aram_> it seems ok now
[17:19] <BluesKaj> aram_, good to hear
[17:19] <aram_> so many nice people here
[17:19] <aram_> ahahha
[17:19] <aram_> thank you
[17:19] <aram_> im here for first time
[17:20] <aram_> just saw the program quassel irc
[17:20] <aram_> and wanted to test it and see what is that
[17:20] <aram_> hahahah
[17:20] <aram_> i love it
[17:20] <aram_> ^_^
[17:20] <aram_> but when i press power button on my laptop system going to shut down immediately
[17:21] <aram_> is it ok?
[17:21] <aram_> before 13.04 it was showing me a small menu with confirmation and options
[17:42] <redkynz> e
[17:51] <aram_> :-)
[17:53] <lordievader> Good evening.
[18:03] <aram_> good evening
[18:06] <lordievader> Hey aram_, how are you?
[18:06] <aram_> nice
[18:06] <aram_> you??
[18:08] <lordievader> aram_: Doing good too :)
[18:18] <dimitri_b> Hello everybody, does anybody have experience with mojo installer files in kubuntu?? As far as I understand, one should simply execute this installer file... but Kubuntu doesn't start it, also bash says "bash: ./setup.bin: No such file or directory" although the file is definitely there
[18:18] <dimitri_b> (of course the +x flag is set)
[18:19] <fhenix> esto me pierde
[18:31] <aram_> maybe you need chmod +x
[18:31] <aram_> then ./setuo
[18:31] <aram_> stup*
[18:31] <aram_> setup
[18:31] <aram_> hahahah
[18:31] <aram_> omg
[18:31] <FloodBotK1> aram_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:32] <aram_> :-O
[18:32] <aram_> i did corrections
[18:32] <aram_> omg
[18:34] <dimitri_b> @aram: as I mentioned chmod +x is already done ;)
[18:35] <aram_> oh
[18:36] <aram_> may i have those files?
[18:42] <dimitri_b> its about 9gb
[18:44] <aram_> setup file is 9 gb?
[18:47] <dimitri_b> yes, it's a mojo installer file... in my case it's a linux game I purchased (from humblebundle.com)
[18:49] <aram_> contact with tech support
[18:50] <aram_> they will solve the problem guess
[18:50] <dimitri_b> yeah, I should do this... I'm just wondering what bash says... and Kubuntu itself can't run the file
[18:51] <dimitri_b> in both cases it should be possible to run any executable file, shouldn't it?
[18:52] <dimitri_b> errors can be prompted, but why kubuntu even doesn't start the file? and bash's errno is very strange...
[18:53] <lordievader> dimitri_b: You are in the correct path? If you run ls, you see the setup file?
[18:53] <Surlent777> hi; I'm using KDE 4.10.3 and I notice that "Thumbnail Aside" plugin in KWin refuses to work, notably because it refuses to allow any keyboard shortcut to be set to it. Testing with the "Desktop Cube" plugin suggests this is unique to "Thumbnail Aside". Any suggestions as to what might be causing this? I've googled a bit, but I'm not seeing anything like this so far.
[18:54] <ahoneybun> Surlent777: might be a bug, you should report it
[18:55] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: fair enough. Is there a place documenting how I might properly go about that?
[18:56] <jdoles> Is there anyone who understands Kubuntu and Pulse Audio in detail?
[18:56] <jdoles> The symptoms: a null audio sink.
[18:56] <jdoles> lsmod shows the device I want to use being in use.
[18:57] <jdoles> mplayer shows it is using pulse.
[18:57] <dimitri_b> @lordievader: yes of course
[18:57] <jdoles> alsamixer shows the desired devices.
[18:57] <Surlent777> jdoles: and alasmixer shows it's not muted, correct?
[18:57] <jdoles> The mixers are not muted.
[18:57] <lordievader> dimitri_b: Does it work if you use the absolute path?
[18:58] <jdoles> All the hardware involved has worked on the same system with the same kernel.
[18:58] <dimitri_b> ls also indicates the file is executable
[18:58] <dimitri_b> one sec
[18:58] <jdoles> I have purged pulseaudio and installed it again.
[18:58] <Surlent777> jdoles: I've had issues with PA on Ubuntu 12.10 where, after suspending, PA acts up. Have you tried a "pulseaudio -k" if you're in a similar situation?
[18:58] <jdoles> Surlent777: suspending is not relevant.
[18:58] <jdoles> Surlent777: I know that in your case it has been, but in my case it is not.
[18:59] <Surlent777> jdoles: just trying to knock out the weird case since it happend to me.
[18:59] <jdoles> Surlent777: that's good. Please try to stick to technical issues here, not social ones.
[18:59] <Surlent777> jdoles:
[18:59] <Surlent777> err
[19:00] <Surlent777> I'm sorry, but how is that social?
[19:00] <jdoles> If we have to apologize all day long for every thing we say, nothing gets done.
[19:01] <dimitri_b> lordievader: no luck, same error... trying with "exec FULL-PATH" or "bash FULL-PATH" doesn't work too... in the latter case I get an "cannot execute binary file"
[19:01] <ahoneybun> Surlent777: sorry I got distraced, looking now
[19:01] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: thank you
[19:02] <ahoneybun> Surlent777: what version are you on?
[19:02] <ahoneybun> Kubuntu that is
[19:02] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: running Kubuntu 12.04 with the kubuntu PPAs, bringing me to 4.10.3
[19:02] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[19:03] <ahoneybun> that would be a the kubuntu-backport PPA
[19:03] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: that and the other one
[19:04] <ahoneybun> the normal kubuntu ppa?
[19:04] <Surlent777> yes
[19:06]  * ahoneybun forgets what kwin package name is
[19:06] <Surlent777> kde-window-manager
[19:06] <Surlent777> that or possibly kde-window-manager-common
[19:06] <ahoneybun> true
[19:06] <Surlent777> I'm unsure at this point which has the file we're looking at
[19:07] <dimitri_b> I guess I will open a support ticket, where I got this binary... seems there is no way to fix this shortly
[19:07] <dimitri_b> thanks anyway for your help
[19:07] <dimitri_b> :)
[19:07] <lordievader> dimitri_b: What does "file <setup file>" say?
[19:07] <ahoneybun> I can't find that name in any of the PPA's
[19:08] <jdoles> Did Blue Systems go out of business already?
[19:08] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: kde-window-manager and -common both show their version number appended with "ppa1"
[19:08] <ahoneybun> it must be from the kubuntu-backports PPA as it has 4.10.3 packages
[19:08] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: I was just about to say, Synaptic is showing it as being from there
[19:08] <ahoneybun> ok then you should file it..
[19:08] <ahoneybun> wait
[19:09] <dimitri_b> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, BuildID[sha1]=0x35986408f6457e67c7ba1f80eaa40b5941dd70c7, not stripped
[19:09] <ahoneybun> there are no bugs on the PPA page on launchpad
[19:09] <dimitri_b> ok... now that's interesting, my machine is 64bit
[19:09] <ahoneybun> so I'm not sure if you should file it upstream
[19:09] <dimitri_b> I think that's the problem
[19:10] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: to be honest, I've never filed a bug with anything KDE-related, so I'm not quite sure where to begin
[19:10] <lordievader> dimitri_b: 64bit should be able to run 32bit code, though not it all cases. So it could be your problem indeed.
[19:10] <ahoneybun> Surlent777: I'm pretty sure here https://bugs.kde.org/
[19:10] <dimitri_b> is there a way to emulate 32-bit applications on kubuntu? (as on windows/osx)
[19:10] <jdoles> dimitri_b: it's called multi-arch.
[19:10] <ahoneybun> dimitri_b: having the 32-bit librarys
[19:11] <jdoles> dimitri_b: Ubuntu was one of the first to be completely incompatible with the rest of the world to implement it.
[19:11] <jdoles> dimitri_b: for example aptitude is still broken.
[19:11] <ahoneybun> anyone else having issues with right clicking not showing up in Firefox 21?
[19:11] <Surlent777> ahoneybun: I'll look into doing this then, thanks
[19:12] <ahoneybun> np
[19:12] <lordievader> ahoneybun: I have that in Thunderbird.
[19:13] <ahoneybun> lordievader: it has been there since 20 I think, but just before the update to 21
[19:13] <lordievader> Oh wait it is not right-clicking, but menu's not showing. Should still report a bug for that.
[19:13] <ahoneybun> I can right click but no menu, it comes and goes thought
[19:13] <ahoneybun> though
[19:13] <jdoles> Are there also any people fixing bugs in Kubuntu?
[19:14] <jdoles> Those people must never frequent this channel.
[19:14] <ahoneybun> most likely
[19:14] <jdoles> Can you name one of them?
[19:14] <dimitri_b> what a pity... I assumed the ubuntu guys understand how to create a distro...
[19:14] <lordievader> jdoles: They don't, they have their own channel: #kubuntu-devel
[19:14] <ahoneybun> jdoles: they are in
[19:14] <ahoneybun> what lordievader said
[19:14] <Surlent777> a general support channel is far too busy for any developer to realistically monitor, after all
[19:15] <lordievader> dimitri_b: Did the software you are trying to install come from the repo?
[19:15] <ahoneybun> lordievader: its from the humble bundle
[19:15] <lordievader> The devs come here from time to time.
[19:15] <dimitri_b> lordievader: no it's from another source, a game bought from humblebundle.com
[19:16] <dimitri_b> I will send them an email telling them the problem, maybe they can do something about it
[19:16] <dimitri_b> the curious thing...
[19:17] <dimitri_b> they promote humblebundle in their software-center installer
[19:17] <dimitri_b> i mean the ubuntu guys
[19:18] <lordievader> dimitri_b: Hmm, odd then that it does not work. Did you try to install it through the software-center? Or does the software-center point you to the humble-bundle web-site?
[19:19] <Surlent777> dimitri_b: they may promote it, but I feel compelled to point out that they have little control over it; quality depends on the responsiveness of the porters/designers. I think you'd do well to contact them directly, as you suggested earlier.
[19:19] <dimitri_b> puh, I don't know it exactly... I changed to Kubuntu and just downloaded the binary file from the website
[19:20] <dimitri_b> Surlent777: sure
[19:20] <Surlent777> dimitri_b: at the same time, I have made several purchases from the HiB and also run a 64-bit system. What game is it? There's a chance I may be able to offer a suggestion or two
[19:21] <dimitri_b> Surlent777: Its the game "Brütal Legend" from the current offe
[19:21] <dimitri_b> +r
[19:22] <Surlent777> dimitri_b: ah, I haven't done the most recent one, I'm afraid. All I can suggest is to make sure that, if there's a 64-bit version, that you grab that instead; otherwise, yes, contacting them directly might be best. I've had very good luck with that in the past when I had issues with Jamestown.
[19:23] <manenbu> what does it mean when it says "There are stopped jobs." when I type exit in konsole?
[19:23] <Surlent777> manenbu: usually that would mean that you backgrounded something with Ctrl+Z
[19:23] <manenbu> if I didn't?
[19:23] <Surlent777> manenbu: should that happen again, try typing "jobs" and see if anything comes up
[19:24] <manenbu> ok
[19:24] <manenbu> speaking of, what's the kubuntu equivalent of windows task manager?
[19:24] <Surlent777> manenbu: it's usually bound to Ctrl+Escape
[19:24] <dimitri_b> Surlent777: thank you very much^^
[19:24] <manenbu> oh great :)
[19:25] <Surlent777> dimitri_b: sorry I can't be more helpful; good luck though!
[19:26] <ahoneybun> manenbu: task manager?
[19:26] <ahoneybun> manenbu: system activity
[19:27] <manenbu> yea, Surlent777 got it
[19:27] <Surlent777> manenbu: you can also get to it from the Alt+F2 (krunner) program by clicking the second icon from the left; I forget the name of the program exactly though
[19:27] <ahoneybun> sorry I was in the other room
[19:28] <Surlent777> manenbu: for the command-line equivalent, you would want the htop package (sudo apt-get install htop), which is relatively user-friendly
[19:28] <manenbu> i'm ok with ctrl-esc
[19:28] <manenbu> i was using ctrl-shirt-esc in windows anyway
[19:28] <manenbu> still learning my way around kde
[19:29] <ahoneybun> manenbu: its super fun! and I still learn more everyday :)
[19:29] <manenbu> it is
[19:30] <manenbu> i needed a linux system for work because I found out that most tools I (should) work with work only in linux or much better in linux
[19:30] <manenbu> so I tried some systems
[19:30] <manenbu> eventually the only one that could probably dual boot with windows 8 and secure boot on was ubuntu
[19:30] <manenbu> but ubuntu is awful, so kubuntu it is
[19:30] <ahoneybun> manenbu: welcome to Kubuntu!
[19:31] <manenbu> properly*
[19:31] <Surlent777> manenbu: Ubuntu and Kubuntu are equivalent, essentially; they're the same system, only with a different set of default programs and settings.
[19:31] <manenbu> let me correct myself
[19:31] <manenbu> the user interface of ubuntu is awful :)
[19:32] <lordievader> manenbu: Hehe :)
[19:32] <ahoneybun> manenbu: then you love KDE
[19:32] <Surlent777> manenbu: It certainly takes some adjustment. For the sake of completion, it's called "Unity", and it's a plugin that works with a window manager called Compiz, on top of the GNOME desktop environment. I too prefer KDE; much more tweakable
[19:33] <manenbu> yea I know it's called unity and it's based on GNOME
[19:33] <manenbu> I also tried GNOME with defora
[19:33] <manenbu> fedora
[19:33] <manenbu> couldn't get it to dual boot though
[19:33] <ahoneybun> manenbu: it uses the GTK toolkit and some GNOME programs
[19:34] <yofel> jdoles: anyway, back to here: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User
[19:34] <manenbu> KDE is a bit windowsish, but much better
[19:35] <ahoneybun> manenbu: I think a lot of Windows 7 is based on KDE 4
[19:35] <ahoneybun> but thats a option
[19:35] <ahoneybun> opinion
[19:35] <manenbu> i think that eventually, everything is based on everything
[19:35] <Surlent777> true enough
[19:36] <manenbu> I must say though that Windows 8 is brilliant
[19:37] <manenbu> if you approach it with an open mind and not cry about "they took the start"
[19:37] <manenbu> and take the 15 minutes to learn the keyboard shortcuts
[19:37] <manenbu> you can do stuff much more efficiently than win8
[19:37] <manenbu> win7*
[19:37] <dimitri_b> @all: have a nice evening^^
[19:39] <manenbu> too bad office 2010 doesn't work on linux
[19:39] <Surlent777> manenbu: I...have not had such a pleasant experience. The touch-centric "features" have tended to get in my way in my trials of the system, brief as they've been
[19:39] <Surlent777> manenbu: LibreOffice is quite a capable replacement for most operations, but, theoretically, the Wine software may be able to run Office 2010
[19:40] <manenbu> Surlent777: well I got a laptop and much of the touch centric features can be done on the touch pad so it's no problem, although less intuitive that when working on a real touch screen
[19:40] <manenbu> wine fails with office 2010
[19:41] <manenbu> and as much as I'm a fan of free software, libreoffice is not even close to office 2010
[19:41] <aram_> i dont compare libre with office
[19:41] <aram_> libre fit all my needs
[19:41] <aram_> ahahah
[19:41] <Surlent777> manenbu: for my usage it's been sufficient, though I admittedly don't do a lot of heavy office work
[19:41] <manenbu> there is a difference between sufficient and efficient
[19:42] <manenbu> sufficient? yes. but stuff that takes me 1 hour on libre is 40 mins on office
[19:42] <manenbu> for serious stuff I use python and R, but that's another thing
[19:42] <Surlent777> manenbu: for my usage, primarily as a student, I find it just fine for presentations and most instances of spreadsheets, and I use LaTeX for papers anyway of late. Out of curiosity though, what features are you missing?
[19:43] <manenbu> conditional formatting is terrible in libre
[19:43] <manenbu> I still can't figure out how to do stuff that takes me 2 clicks in office
[19:44] <manenbu> graphs are easier to make in office
[19:44] <manenbu> and more versatile
[19:44] <manenbu> notice that I'm talking about office 2010
[19:44] <manenbu> previous versions aren't that good
[19:44] <Surlent777> manenbu: that's the office I'm most familiar with, myself
[19:45] <manenbu> office2007 was sort of like vista, they had a good idea but failed in doing it properly
[19:45] <manenbu> 2010 is the win7. just works.
[19:45] <Surlent777> manenbu: had to learn how to program front-ends and whatnot with Excel and Access via VBA.
[19:45] <manenbu> I was thinking into learning VBA, but then I know python and R so it seemed unnecessary
[19:45] <manenbu> "know"
[19:45] <manenbu> :P
[19:46] <manenbu> I tried calligra
[19:46] <manenbu> they have good ideas and the UI looks promising
[19:46] <manenbu> but they still have a long way to go
[19:46] <aram_> calligra isnt good... it cannot open normally even odf files
[19:47] <Surlent777> I haven't used it in...a couple of years, I think. If that's the one I'm thinking of I actually disliked the UI and found their support of OD files lacki--yes
[19:47] <aram_> for mobile devices it is good
[19:48] <manenbu> they'll get there eventually
[19:48] <Surlent777> Much like Libre, I imagine. The development on that in the past year has been pretty amazing.
[19:49] <manenbu> well
[19:49] <manenbu> off to writing a manuscript
[19:49] <manenbu> journal only takes doc
[19:49] <manenbu> heh
[19:50] <aram_> no pdf?
[19:50] <aram_> i prefer pdf for printing
[19:50] <aram_> or postscript
[19:50] <manenbu> online submission
[19:50] <manenbu> they make a pdf for you
[19:50] <aram_> ahahah
[19:50] <aram_> i have saved many files into doc,,, it worked well for me
[19:51] <manenbu> yea, libre is fine with that
[19:51] <manenbu> especially since all my figures are in separate files and it's just text with minimal formatting
[19:51] <manenbu> hard to mess that up
[19:51] <aram_> the styles of arrows etc are different...
[19:51] <Surlent777> I have noticed that
[19:52] <Surlent777> kinda broke a flowchart I had to make for a VB.NET class at the time (2 years ago)
[19:52] <manenbu> what are you in?
[19:52] <manenbu> cs?
[19:52] <aram_> im happy that i dont care about that... for my university(they all use ms office) i use pdf
[19:52] <Surlent777> cs, yeah; just got my associates. Or will, when it gets here in the mail in 2 months. Hopefully.
[19:52] <manenbu> what's that?
[19:53] <Surlent777> what's what?
[19:53] <manenbu> associates
[19:54] <Surlent777> it's the lowest/first tier college degree
[19:55] <manenbu> sort of like bsc?
[19:55] <manenbu> 3 years? 4?
[19:55] <Surlent777> it's considered a "two year" degree, though it's really more like 3 for a lot of programs
[19:55] <Surlent777> the so-called "four year degree" here is a Bachelors
[19:56] <lordievader> manenbu, Surlent777: Please join #kubuntu-offtopic for offtopic discussions.
[19:56] <lordievader> !ot
[19:56] <Surlent777> lordievader: sorry, you're right; we're getting way off-base
[19:56] <manenbu> yea, I need to work anyway
[19:56] <lordievader> No problem :)
[19:56] <manenbu> thanks for your help earlier
[19:56] <Surlent777> np
[21:58] <carl_friend> I'm looking for a new distribution.  Major requirement is I don't want mir.
[21:59] <carl_friend> Software I currently use is Gimp, Krita Digikam,  and Inkscape
[22:02] <carl_friend> with ... going with Mir will I be happy with Kubuntu down the road when  ... goes mir
[22:14] <OerHeks> carl_friend, when MIR is available, it will be an option. so no need to change distro (yet)