[04:10] <AmEv> Anyone here able to help me?
[04:11] <Mirv> morning
[04:12] <AmEv> My tablet's stuck on a blank screen, but I'm wondering if there's a way to monitor progress.
[04:12] <Mirv> sergiusens: thanks, copying to daily-build-next now
[04:12] <AmEv> Ubuntu_chroot just kills the tablet.
[04:13] <Mirv> AmEv: but adb shell works otherwise? well I'm not an expert, but if it doesn't seem to fix itself by waiting + reboot, maybe try flashing again
[04:13] <SpacedOut> AmEv: Did it ever run ubuntu?  What state was it in, have you power cycled it?
[04:13] <AmEv> Yes.
[04:13] <AmEv> First flash.
[04:14] <AmEv> Was working with Android before.
[04:14] <SpacedOut> Which tablet?
[04:14] <AmEv> Codename antares. Toshiba Thrive.
[04:14] <SpacedOut> After unlocking I had the Android boot logo animation that never completed, but you said blank?
[04:15] <AmEv> Yep.
[04:15] <AmEv> Has a funky Toshiba logo due to bug, then the blank screen.
[04:15] <AmEv> Backlight is on
[04:16] <SpacedOut> Is the image made for that model?  I've only ever tried the Nexus 10.
[04:16] <AmEv> Yes. Flashed the Thrive-specific then the rootfs like the dev instructed.
[04:17] <AmEv> It's a tegra 2 device if it helps out ar all.
[04:19] <AmEv> Sorry for any typos; the S3 keyboard is slick and tiny.
[04:19] <AmEv> Hmmm... last dmesg event was 13 seconds in.
[04:20] <SpacedOut> adb root; adb shell; ubuntu_chroot shell; then do a ps, from your last comment it sounds like you are already in.
[04:21] <AmEv> I'm in the ubuntu shell! No display though....
[04:21] <sergiusens> Mirv: just in time for tomorrows build :-)
[04:22] <Mirv> sergiusens: good :)
[04:22] <SpacedOut> AmEv: see if qml-phone-shell is running, I have 47 processes with 'ps aux'
[04:22] <AmEv> Hmmm. I wonder if I can install X from here...? haha
[04:24] <SpacedOut> maliit-server would be another big one.  Yes if you want to write a driver, I'm assuming it doesn't exist.
[04:24] <AmEv> Hmmmm....
[04:24] <Mirv> AmEv: you can install anything, the another thing is whether you have a X.org driver that would display something ;) qml-phone-shell should have everything needed for the Ubuntu Touch's non-X support I think
[04:25] <AmEv> I think Nvidia released a Tegra 2 Linux driver somewhere.... Anyway, doesn't seem like either is running.
[04:26] <SpacedOut> A driver wouldn't show up in the process list.
[04:26] <AmEv> Uhm....
[04:27] <SpacedOut> initctl stop ubuntu-session; initctl start ubuntu-session
[04:27] <SpacedOut> stop will leave my screen black/blank with the backlight on, start will display the graphics again.
[04:28] <AmEv> uhm... unknown instance
[04:29] <AmEv> Start created process 277...
[04:29] <AmEv> No display
[04:30] <SpacedOut> Is that still running?
[04:30] <AmEv> It was immediately killed.
[04:31] <SpacedOut> run `/bin/sh /usr/bin/ubuntu-session` that's what it is doing.
[04:31] <AmEv> I tried running running qml-phone-shell manually. Segfaulted.
[04:32] <AmEv> No output, back to shell.
[04:32] <AmEv> Where's the logs?
[04:33] <SpacedOut> How good are your Linux, programming, Debian development skills?
[04:33] <AmEv> Ehhh... I'm fairly new, but am a bit of a fast learner.
[04:33] <SpacedOut> /home/phablet/.ubuntu-session/logs/ubuntu-session.log
[04:35] <AmEv> Is the log supposed to be tiny?
[04:36] <SpacedOut> I don't have your hardware, so I can't do anything about your problem.  You could flash android and try again later when it has been updated, if it is a daily build you might even just try again in a couple days, if you want to dig in, edit /etc/apt/sources.list (and sources.list.d/*) to enable the source repositories, apt-get update, apt-get source (whatever is crashing), recompile with debugging and see if you can fix it.
[04:37] <SpacedOut> mine is 10 lines
[04:37] <AmEv> 20 here.
[04:39] <SpacedOut> Does the power button turn the backlight off?
[04:39] <AmEv> Yes.
[04:40] <AmEv> Doesn't come back on though.
[04:40] <AmEv> OK.
[04:41] <AmEv> Was daily.
[04:41] <SpacedOut> Good because just having the backlight on draws more power than a usb port supplies the  Nexus 10 .
[04:43] <AmEv> Thanks for helping me out, though.
[04:45] <SpacedOut> The least work is to wait a few days and try again, I've had a black screen and reflashed before to fix it.
[06:09] <jGleitz> Hey there! Has anyone experience with the QML Canvas and how the properties canvasSize and canvasWindow behave? I don’t quite get it and would need a little help.
[07:12] <tvoss> Saviq, ping
[07:16] <Saviq> tvoss, pong
[07:37] <Mirv> didrocks: could you rerun Head/SDK main job, the possible workaround got in just now?
[07:37] <didrocks> Mirv: should I rebuild everything or just one component?
[07:38]  * didrocks checks, maybe we just have one in fact :)
[07:38] <Mirv> I couldn't reproduce it even on my old intel machine, so trying this now and if not contacting vee_bers about the autopilot machine
[07:38] <Mirv> just one ther e:)
[07:38] <Mirv> so far, we hopefully will get the qt creator plugin in there as well at some point
[07:38] <didrocks> Mirv: running now! :)
[07:38] <didrocks> great ;)
[07:39] <didrocks> Mirv: at least, we get "reliably" the failure on intel, as it seems it happened everyday
[07:39] <didrocks> which is a start :)
[07:39] <Mirv> yes. too bad it hasn't been possible to repeat the failure on an own machine.
[07:39] <didrocks> yeah :/
[08:11] <wannise> hello any body here can help me hot to install ubuntu on my motorola phone?
[08:13] <wannise> any dev here to help me build custom ui????
[08:30] <manish___> i am not dev i am just a business man planning to start mobile company with ubuntu on it ..so please can anybody guide me how to start this project i really need lot of help
[08:33] <tsdgeos> manish___: you may want to read http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/operators-and-oems and http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/contact-us
[08:33] <manish___> tsdgeous i would want to change the ui litle bit so how to find a dev for that?
[08:34] <manish___> 'tsdgeos i am already aware of that i have read it
[08:35] <tsdgeos> manish___: we have the 	ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net open mailing list where you can propose your improvements
[08:40] <oSoMoN> hey dpm, I have enabled translations in the browser, would you mind reviewing the changes? https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/i18n/+merge/164276
[08:40] <dpm> oSoMoN, oh awesome! Sure, give me 2 mins
[09:15] <dpm> oSoMoN, done -> https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/i18n/+merge/164276
[09:17] <PPOS-BAR> hi
[09:17] <oSoMoN> dpm: thanks! will address/answer your comments in a moment
[09:17] <PPOS-BAR> can you explaine me the different : ubuntu-touch-preview ubuntu-touch ?
[09:18] <dpm> cool, no rush
[09:18] <dpm> PPOS-BAR, it's exactly the same thing
[09:18] <PPOS-BAR> hi i've nexus 7 :)
[09:19] <PPOS-BAR> ok, when i use phablet-flash, it use the -preview ?
[09:27] <oSoMoN> dpm: I answered your questions, thanks for the thorough review
[09:32] <user82> is some dev here who happens to know how far 3g data support on the nexus devices is?
[09:45] <dpm> oSoMoN, ok, approved, thanks! (it seems LP hasn't received my e-mail reply yet, though)
[09:51] <oSoMoN> dpm: hold on before top-approving, I’m looking into dh_translations
[09:51] <dpm> oSoMoN, no worries, I can't top-approve as I'm not project member anyway
[09:52] <oSoMoN> right
[10:22] <Wellark> hi guys!
[10:22] <Wellark> anyone remembers how to take a screenshot on a device?
[10:23] <victorp> Wellark, you can do that from QTC
[10:23] <oSoMoN> dpm: I’m looking into dh_translations, and when it invokes xgettext to create the pot file it doesn’t find any strings because it doesn’t know it has to look for "i18n.tr", and there doesn’t seem to be a way to pass xgettext extra options
[10:23] <victorp> on the Ubuntu Touch menu option
[10:25] <dpm> oSoMoN, xgettext can take options to look for tr, let me check which option it is. In any case, we might need to add support for the Ubuntu sdk for dh_translations, so the best thing might be to file a bug against dh_translations and go ahead with the way you were packaging already
[10:26] <oSoMoN> dpm: I know it can take extra options (I think it is --keyword), but dh_translations doesn’t expose a way to pass them, I’ll file a bug
[10:26] <dpm> oSoMoN, ah, ok, I understand now, yes.
[10:26] <dpm> oSoMoN, could you subscribe me to the bug when you file it?
[10:27] <oSoMoN> sure
[10:28] <dpm> great, thanks
[10:30] <Wellark> victorp: thanks!
[10:30] <Wellark> was under Tools -> Ubuntu Touch -> Android Debugging
[10:44] <oSoMoN> dpm: I filed bug #1181183 and I subscribed you
[10:44] <dpm> excellent, thanks oSoMoN!
[10:50] <oSoMoN> dpm: the MR should land soon in webbrowser-app trunk, is there anything to do on the LP side to enable automatic export of translations to trunk?
[10:50] <dpm> oSoMoN, yes, we can do that now, but I'll need your help for one step in setting up the exports branch. Let me see...
[10:52] <dpm> oSoMoN, actually, I don't have permissions at all, but I can guide you on how to do it. Shouldn't take more than 5 mins
[10:53] <dpm> oSoMoN, 1) Go to https://translations.launchpad.net/~webbrowser-app and set:
[10:53] <dpm> - Translatioins done in Launchpad
[10:53] <dpm> - Translations group: Ubuntu Translators
[10:53] <dpm> - Permissions: Restricted
[10:53] <dpm> - Focus: trunk, or whichever series you're working in
[10:55] <dpm> oSoMoN, the direct link for that is https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+configure-translations
[10:56] <oSoMoN> dpm: it seems it’s already all set to those values, must have been bfiller who set it up yesterday
[10:57] <dpm> oSoMoN, ok, yeah, it seems I do have some permissions too, I was just looking at the wrong URL. So the final step is to set the translations export branch
[10:57] <dpm> oSoMoN, can you set the trunk branch in https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/trunk/+link-translations-branch
[11:01] <oSoMoN> dpm: no, I’m not allowed, I’ll ask bfiller to give me permissions when he gets online
[11:03] <dpm> oSoMoN, ah, you're hitting the same permission issue as myself. Only members of the branch's team can set that.
[11:09] <dpm> oSoMoN, yeah, you only need to be added to the https://launchpad.net/~phablet-team team
[11:09] <dpm> hi gatox, I saw the video of your Tabu app the other day, nice work! It'd be nice to add to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Collection - do you have the code somewhere?
[11:17] <dpm> oSoMoN, did you manage to get the clock app to load the French translations?
[11:18] <oSoMoN> dpm: yes, after fixing a bug in the app (see revision 77 in the trunk)
[11:19] <gatox> dpm, hi, thanks.... i'll add it on sunday probably, i need to finish some parts of the code.... and i'll add other applications i'm doing too
[11:19] <dpm> oSoMoN, great, thanks for fixing that. Yes, when I first set the domain in the code, the SDK didn't have the feature to set it automatically
[11:20] <dpm> gatox, cool :)
[11:22] <dpm> oSoMoN, do you have a device with Touch handy and a few minutes time? I don't have one at the moment, and I'd need someone's help to test the localization of the clock app on a device
[11:24] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure
[11:25] <oSoMoN> dpm: where do I get a deb to test it?
[11:25] <dpm> oSoMoN, great, thanks. From the coreapps PPA -> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/+archive/daily
[11:28] <dpm> oSoMoN, I'd simply like to test: 1) e.g. the French translation (fr_FR.UTF-8) and 2) the Simplified Chinese translation (zh_CN.UTF-8)
[11:28] <dpm> oSoMoN, off the top of my head, I think this is what will be needed to test them:
[11:28] <dpm> 1) Generate the locales with locale-gen
[11:29] <dpm> 2) Installed any required fonts for zh_CN (I'll have to find that out)
[11:29] <dpm> 3) Set /etc/default/locale to fr_FR.UTF-8 first and then zh_CN.UTF-8
[11:30] <nik90> dpm: I haven't pushed my branch regarding the locale variables (numbers) to trunk yet. They still require testing before doing that.
[11:30] <dpm> The font part might be the trickiest, so I'd recommend testing with the French translation first, to see if localization works at all
[11:31] <dpm> nik90, ah, sorry, I got disconnected in the middle of our conversation the other day
[11:31] <nik90> dpm: no worries. Should I push it so that oSoMoN can test it from the ppa?
[11:31] <nik90> dpm: currently I have only made locale changes to stopwatch and timer alone.
[11:33] <dpm> nik90, actually, let me see if I can test this locally. Olivier won't be able to test it from the PPA, as it will take a while to land
[11:33]  * dpm installs Arabic
[11:34] <dpm> nik90, can you remind me in which branch you had these changes?
[11:34] <nik90> dpm: https://code.launchpad.net/~nik90/ubuntu-clock-app/replace-number-translations
[11:36]  * dpm tests
[11:40] <oSoMoN> dpm: French translations work, but I have to run the app with LANGUAGE=fr (setting LANG in /etc/default/locale to "fr_FR.UTF-8" doesn’t seem to make any difference)
[11:41] <dpm> oSoMoN, ok, thanks for testing. Let me check with pitti on #ubuntu-desktop where to best read the locale from
[11:44] <oSoMoN> dpm I have installed fonts-droid on the phone, and the UI in chinese looks good (although I can’t read it, it looks like chinese to me :))
[11:45] <dpm> \o/
[11:45] <Mirv> ogra_: hi. did we have some saucy builds with qml-phone-shell already?
[11:45] <ogra_> yep
[11:46] <dpm> excellent! oSoMoN, could you take a couple of screenshots and send them to me?
[11:46] <ogra_> Mirv, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/
[11:46] <Mirv> ogra_: awesome! do you have a spare moment to smoketest dist-upgrading to ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper on it?
[11:46] <ogra_> nope
[11:46] <ogra_> i'm working on the container flip
[11:47] <ogra_> my gnex is completely unusable for gui stuff atm
[11:47] <Mirv> ogra_: ok :( although. the images don't now get stuff from qt5-proper, so copying Qt 5.0.2 to qt5-proper for the desktop users isn't directly affecting device images now?
[11:47] <ogra_> probably sergiusens has a spaare cycle
[11:47] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure, just a sec
[11:48] <ogra_> Mirv, well, doesnt look like it uses 5.0.2 in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.manifest
[11:48] <oSoMoN> dpm: do you want screenshots in Chinese and French, or just Chinese?
[11:48] <Mirv> ogra_: yeah, surely it doesn't since it's only in that beta-proper PPA mentioned. can you confirm that qt5-proper PPA is not in use, only daily-build-next?
[11:49] <nik90> oSoMoN: both. I could also use it in my blog to show translation progress :)
[11:50] <oSoMoN> alright
[11:53] <dpm> oSoMoN, just Chinese will do.
[11:54] <oSoMoN> dpm, nik90: http://ubuntuone.com/0FqObZmkDx9f98UDGWGdyB and http://ubuntuone.com/2diFWjRxejIgsmfjdJcUmv
[11:54] <ogra_> Mirv,
[11:54] <ogra_> ogra@chromebook:~/branches/livecd-rootfs$ cat live-build/ubuntu-touch/archives/canonical-qt5-edgers-qt5-proper.list.chroot
[11:54] <ogra_> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu @DISTRIBUTION@ main
[11:54] <ogra_> thats what we currently use
[11:55] <dpm> nice! thanks oSoMoN
[11:55] <oSoMoN> dpm: you’re welcomem
[11:55] <oSoMoN> -mc
[11:56] <ogra_> Mirv, daily-build-next is in use as well
[11:56] <ogra_> (for ubuntu-unity)
[11:56] <Mirv> ogra_: ah, so it is in there. but it was removed from raring builds, not yet from saucy?
[11:56] <ogra_> does it need to be removed ?
[11:56] <nik90> oSoMoN: thank you :)
[11:56]  * ogra_ doesnt really care about raring ... dead beef ...
[11:57] <Mirv> ogra_: well preferably, unless a) someone tests the qt5-beta-proper PPA before I copy the saucy contents to qt5-proper PPA, or b) breaking saucy images is acceptable
[11:57] <Mirv> ogra_: the thing is that the desktop users could use the 5.0.2 already, and it's working for them. of course, 5.0.2 also works on raring, but at least a quick smoke test would be needed on saucy device to see that mostly stuff works.
[11:58] <Mirv> ogra_: but removing qt5-proper from the builds would solve the device part
[11:58] <Mirv> ogra_: ie. relying only on daily-build-next and what is in archives. archives will probably receive 5.0.2 next week
[11:59] <dpm> oSoMoN, discussing how to set the locale on #ubuntu-desktop atm. The TL;DR seems to be that we write the new locale to /etc/default/locale and then we need to restart the session for it to pick it up
[11:59] <Mirv> ogra_: if it's doable to remove qt5-proper from saucy builds at least temporarily, I'd do that so that it's opt-in
[12:01] <ogra_> Mirv, breaking saucy is acceptable until end of next week
[12:02] <dpm> oSoMoN, so could you try to set /etc/default/locale to zh_CN.UTF-8 and reboot to see if that works?
[12:02] <Mirv> ogra_: could it be disabled anyway, ie. is it one commit away for commenting out it from saucy image builds at least until beginning of next week?
[12:02] <Mirv> ogra_: since currently there's nothing installed from there, and I'd like it to stay that way at least a couple of days until it's tested a bit
[12:03] <ogra_> Mirv, sure, no prom, i'll drop it
[12:04] <Kaleo_> renato_: oSoMoN: there is a new API for command line parsing that will land soon in the toolkit: do you mind testing it on your apps?
[12:05] <ogra_> s/prom/prob
[12:05] <Kaleo_> renato_: oSoMoN: see API proposal 4) at the bottom of https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/document/d/1sfGFVOGiGdLziEl-PUyAa7gKJb-GFcJWj0ajkW2-LC4
[12:05] <Kaleo_> renato_: oSoMoN: lp:~fboucault/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/qml_app_arguments
[12:10] <netcurli> I am on raring and added the qt5-proper and the ubuntu-sdk-team ppa to get the newest version. After updating I have now a problem with qtcreator where it opens 4 additional windows that don't do anything when I start it. is this a known issue?
[12:10] <netcurli> Mirv: ^
[12:12] <oSoMoN> Kaleo_: I’ll put it on my TODO list for next week
[12:16] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: ok
[12:17] <Kaleo_> oSoMoN: it should take about 30 minutes
[12:25] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: I can add you to the phablet-team if no one has already
[12:25] <Mirv> ogra_: thanks
[12:25] <renato_> Kaleo_, I will try find some time today otherwise I will test it next week
[12:26] <Mirv> netcurli: can you double-check you received today's qtcreator upgrade to 2.7.1-0ubuntu1~raring1~test2? it doesn't fix the issue completely, but it fixes the windows appearing on startup
[12:26] <Kaleo_> renato_: ok, should be quick
[12:26] <Kaleo_> renato_: thanks
[12:27] <netcurli> oh, I checked before, there were no new updates. I am updating now
[12:28] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: yes please
[12:28] <netcurli> Mirv: all right, the new update fixed the problem
[12:28] <netcurli> :)
[12:29] <Mirv> netcurli: good :) you can still bump into the problem, but it won't persist at least. it's some incompatibility / build issue with qt creator and qt 5.0.2
[12:30] <Mirv> the 2.7.1 should fix various other issues, though
[12:30] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: done
[12:30] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: thanks
[12:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: we need to remove the qt5-proper ppa from the builds
[12:31] <oSoMoN> mmm, I’m still not allowed into https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/trunk/+link-translations-branch
[12:31] <ogra_> sergiusens, yeah, understood
[12:32] <oSoMoN> bfiller: ping
[12:36] <ogra_> livecd-rootfs changed and uploaded (qt5-proper ppa dropped)
[12:45] <ogra_> great ...
[12:45] <ogra_> so using the container flip i can now boot within 10sec
[12:46] <ogra_> (stopwatched from the vibatoing notification to having adbd start in the ubuntu rootfs)
[12:46] <ogra_> *vibrating
[12:47] <Andy__> Hey guys
[12:54] <rtg_> rsalveti, is the 3rd patch you sent really for grouper ? 'UBUNTU: [Config] Restoring Android related configs needed by Ubuntu Touch' ?
[12:54] <rtg_> the prior 2 were for manta
[12:57] <pmcgowan> ogra_, nice
[12:58] <dpm> oSoMoN, not sure if you saw the ping earlier. If you've got a minute, could you try to set /etc/default/locale to zh_CN.UTF-8 and reboot to see if that works to load the clock app translations?
[13:02] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure, will try after lunch
[13:05] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN! (once you are back from lunch): do you know who is responsible for the webbrowser_app?
[13:06] <didrocks> oSoMoN: there is one failure and that's why the app stack didn't get daily release: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/422/label=autopilot-intel/
[13:09] <sergiusens> didrocks: oSoMoN is responsible ;)
[13:10] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, that was my guess, it was some kind of rhetoric question :p
[13:10] <sergiusens> didrocks: how do you suggest we solve this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/phone-app/+bug/1180537
[13:11] <didrocks> sergiusens: is the phone-app still maintained? I heard that it's going to be rewritten and nobody will fix the broken tests
[13:12] <sergiusens> didrocks: well, it's what we have, who told you that? I know it's going to be rewritten though
[13:12] <sergiusens> it might be just the autopilot tests that are unmaintained?
[13:12] <didrocks> sergiusens: right, which makes daily release not possible for this one
[13:13] <didrocks> sergiusens: so I would say, go for it in your phablet ppa with the right patch against your indicator-messages
[13:13] <didrocks> tedg told we would get the indicator-messages converged soon…
[13:13] <sergiusens> didrocks: ack
[13:16] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, bfiller and I discussed pushing the new phone apps in after the first raring tag, are we still tagging today?
[13:17] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: I am testing, and tried to get a working build in for today, that may imply we are tagging :-)
[13:17] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, enlist more test help as needed
[13:18] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, our idea was to add the refactored apps in and test again and hopefully have a second tag with that change
[13:18] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well I'm only going to try out maguro and manta... I was hoping rsalveti would do mako
[13:18] <pmcgowan> depending how fast saucy is moving
[13:19] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, ok Ill load a mako now
[13:23] <sergiusens> boiko: I discussed with didrocks... there's talk about the phone-app dev being abandoned?
[13:24] <boiko> sergiusens: abandoned? no, just big changes going on the way: splitting up it into 3 apps
[13:24] <boiko> sergiusens: but the new apps will all live under lp:phone-app at first
[13:24] <didrocks> boiko: ok, seems that it was miscommunicated to sil2100 then
[13:24] <didrocks> boiko: hum, if it's 3 sources, we need 3 launchpad projects
[13:25] <didrocks> that avoid confusion in bug reports, enable us to not have mixed repos and so on
[13:25] <boiko> didrocks: they share lots of code, so at first it is easier to keep them all under the same tree
[13:25] <didrocks> boiko: ah, so same source?
[13:25] <didrocks> (one bzr repo)
[13:25] <boiko> didrocks: yep, one bzr repo for now, just 3 separate binaries and deb packages
[13:26] <didrocks> ok, works well :)
[13:28] <boiko> sergiusens: so, should we move the phone-app to the phablet-team's ppa to get the correct indicator-messages?
[13:28] <sergiusens> didrocks: boiko well that brings up the question: 'when is indicator-messages going to be fixed/merged/updated?', 'do we want to build in ppa:phablet-team in the meantime?
[13:29] <didrocks> sergiusens: I think it's more a question for the indicator team, isn't it?
[13:29] <sergiusens> didrocks: yeah, but I'm laying out the options for now :-)
[13:29] <boiko> yep
[13:29] <didrocks> sergiusens: as the phone-app won't daily release until the rewrite, I would say you can workaround by putting both in the phablet team ppa
[13:29] <didrocks> rewrite/break in 3 sources
[13:29] <didrocks> 1 source, 3 binaries, I meant
[13:29]  * didrocks takes some coffee
[13:30] <sergiusens> boiko: ok, and the same for the new tele.* projects, phablet-team, right?
[13:30] <bfiller> oSoMoN: pong
[13:30] <boiko> sergiusens: nope, the only one that needs to be on the same place as the phablet's indicator-messages is phone-app
[13:31] <boiko> sergiusens: the other ones can stay wherever they are currently
[13:31] <sergiusens> boiko: so the other two are fine for daily release?
[13:31] <sergiusens> boiko: I need to add them still, but I get the point
[13:31] <sergiusens> :-)
[13:31] <boiko> sergiusens: yep, phone-app is also fine, except for the phablet's indicator-message :/
[13:32] <sergiusens> tedg: any ETA on indicator-messages updates?
[13:32] <tedg> sergiusens, ?
[13:32]  * tedg looks at backlog
[13:33] <tedg> Ah, so you guys want the phablet branch of indicator-messages merged into mainline.
[13:34] <sergiusens> tedg: if it's still in the plans, yes
[13:34] <tedg> It's kinda blocked on design unfortunately, but I think we can "hack" it to get something soonish.
[13:35] <tedg> The official line is that it shouldn't be the same on both, but that's clearly ridiculous.
[13:35] <tedg> So they're supposed to "review" it.
[13:35] <tedg> I think we should just "make them one" for now even if it's non-idea on both so that we have something working.
[13:35] <tedg> That's currently the plan.
[13:35] <sergiusens> ack, does that mean we need to rebrand ?
[13:36] <tedg> So larsu is working on that.  He's on vacation this week.  And a couple things before that... so a couple weeks out.
[13:36] <tedg> sergiusens, Yes, convergence is a scam ;-)
[13:46] <oSoMoN> didrocks: looking into the failure
[13:47] <oSoMoN> bfiller: hey, sorry for the delay, I was having a (very late) lunch, I’m trying to access https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/trunk/+link-translations-branch but I don’t have permissions, do you think you can grant me those permissions somehow?
[13:48] <bfiller> oSoMoN: let me check
[13:48] <oSoMoN> didrocks: is there a screencast of the failing test available?
[13:48] <didrocks> oSoMoN: yeah, it should be as part of the artefacts
[13:49] <didrocks> oSoMoN: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/422/label=autopilot-intel/artifact/results/artifacts/webbrowser_app.tests.test_backforward.TestBackForward.test_navigating_back_enables_forward_button%20(with%20mouse).ogv
[13:50] <bfiller> oSoMoN: try now
[13:50] <oSoMoN> didrocks: thanks
[13:51] <oSoMoN> bfiller: nope, still not allowed
[13:51] <didrocks> yw ;)
[13:52] <bfiller> dpm: any idea how to grant oSoMoN permissions for translations here: https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/trunk/+link-translations-branch
[13:52] <bfiller> oSoMoN: try log out and back in maybe of lauchpad?
[13:52] <bfiller> probably wont work but worht a try
[13:53] <sergiusens> fginther: didrocks https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/cupstream2distro-config/phone-app-phablet_team/+merge/164404
[13:53] <dpm> bfiller, he needs to be part of phablet-team, but I guess that's sorted now. Not sure why it's not working. oSoMoN, what's the actual issue the page is giving you?
[13:54] <oSoMoN> dpm, bfiller: it says « Sorry, you don't have permission to access this page or the information in this page is not shared with you. »
[13:54] <oSoMoN> I’ve tried logging out and in again, no luck
[13:54] <oSoMoN> and I can confirm that I’m now part of phablet-team
[13:55] <dpm> oSoMoN, ah, you probably need extra permissions: you also need to be part of the team that maintains the project. I'm guessing that the project owner is not phablet-team
[13:56] <bfiller> dpm, oSoMoN : owned by pspmteam
[13:56] <bfiller> oSoMoN: not sure if I can add you to that
[13:56] <sergiusens> bfiller: if you do, he gets lots of super cow powers
[13:57] <dpm> bfiller, if you're part of the team, you can set the branch yourself, shouldn'T take more than 30 secs
[13:57] <pmcgowan> bfiller, can you just set up the branch for him
[13:57] <pmcgowan> that
[13:57] <bfiller> ack
[13:57] <bfiller> oSoMoN: just set to trunk branch?
[13:57] <dpm> yeah
[13:57] <ogra_> Mirv, sergiusens ... so dropping that PPA made the saucy builds explode completely
[13:58] <ogra_> (teh majority of apps isnt installable anymore)
[14:00] <bfiller> dpm, oSoMoN : do I want to import only template files or template and translation files?
[14:00] <dpm> bfiller, just template files. Translations will be done in LP, so for this project there won't be the need to import them. Everything should be set now, the rest of the settings we set this morning.
[14:01] <ogra_> sergiusens, Mirv, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5674118/
[14:01] <bfiller> dpm, oSoMoN : ok done
[14:01] <dpm> excellent, another app up for translations, let me send a call to translate
[14:02] <oSoMoN> bfiller: thanks
[14:02] <sergiusens> Mirv: did you add the packages to dailybuild-next for saucy?
[14:02] <oSoMoN> dpm: I just re-did the translation to French in the LP UI, but the stats page (https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app) still shows it fully untranslated, any clue why?
[14:03] <sergiusens> mzanetti: Saviq can you take a look at this bug #1178288 ?
[14:03] <fginther> sergiusens, so phablet-land isn't going away anytime soon?
[14:03] <sergiusens> fginther: apparently not
[14:03] <dpm> oSoMoN, it will be updated in a few mins. I noticed that lately translation stats don't get updated automatically as they used to, but they do get updated eventually
[14:04] <oSoMoN> dpm: ok, thanks
[14:04] <mzanetti> sergiusens: interesting one...
[14:04] <oSoMoN> dpm: so how often will translations get imported into the trunk?
[14:04] <Saviq> sergiusens, yeah, reproduced, looks like a regression
[14:05] <dpm> oSoMoN, daily (otp atm)
[14:05] <sergiusens> Saviq: yeah, I'm just not exactly sure when it was introduced
[14:05] <Saviq> ricmm, any idea what might be causing bug #1178288 ?
[14:05] <oSoMoN> dpm: excellent, thanks
[14:06] <oSoMoN> dpm: if you’re gonna send a call for translations, would you mind sending it to webbrowser-app@lists.launchpad.net as well?
[14:06] <dpm> oSoMoN, sure
[14:07] <oSoMoN> thx
[14:08] <pmcgowan> Saviq, also why does the X never go away once you long press
[14:08] <Saviq> pmcgowan, yeah, that's our bug
[14:09]  * ogra_ guesses the issue is that you use X :P
[14:09] <ogra_> we dont support that on touch, you know :)
[14:09] <pmcgowan> heh
[14:15] <ricmm> Saviq: looking
[14:16] <ricmm> Saviq: do you know if the shell is focusing the next app?
[14:16] <ricmm> there shouldnt be any logic in the app manager to automatically focus the next index
[14:16]  * sergiusens can tell it's a Friday when ogra makes jokes out of everything :-D
[14:16] <Saviq> ricmm, it shouldn't
[14:17] <Saviq> ricmm, and it doesn't happen with our fake appmgr implementation
[14:17] <rsalveti> rtg_: sorry, just saw the ping, but noticed you pushed the 3 patches already
[14:17] <rsalveti> forgot to tag the branch name at the subject
[14:17] <Saviq> ricmm, and it's a regression around code we haven't touched for some time
[14:17] <ogra_> sergiusens, heh
[14:17] <rtg_> rsalveti, yeah, I figureed it out. uploaded grouper. manta is not far behind.
[14:18] <Saviq> ricmm, is why I'm asking if you can think of a change in the appmgr that could cause that
[14:18] <rsalveti> rtg_: great, thanks
[14:21] <ricmm> Saviq: there have been no changes to the app manager for a long while
[14:21] <Saviq> ricmm, ok, /me will try to check
[14:21] <rtg_> rsalveti, note that I bumped the ABI on grouper. I'll have to do the same for manta because of the compiler change
[14:24] <rsalveti> rtg_: that's fine
[14:24] <oSoMoN> dpm: I tried setting LANG to zh_CN.UTF-8 in /etc/default/locale, restarted the device, but still no luck, the clock app UI is in English by default
[14:27] <sergiusens> fginther: thanks for the commit msg fix :-)
[14:34] <sergiusens> mzanetti: are Running apps supposed to be filtered/found during a search?
[14:37] <mzanetti> sergiusens: no. only installed ones for now
[14:38] <sergiusens> mzanetti: for now means -> planned?
[14:38]  * snwh is away: AFK
[14:38] <mzanetti> sergiusens: that might not be the final state tho. current state is pretty much a quick change to make it work somehow
[14:38] <ogra_> Mirv, so any idea whay the image builds fail now with the qt5 PPA removed ?
[14:38] <mzanetti> sergiusens: however, I don't know exactly what it should be in the end
[14:39] <sergiusens> mzanetti: :-) I'm trying to find a roadmap for these smaller issues.... I might log a bug for this and tag for design
[14:41] <mzanetti> sergiusens: ok. I don't think there is a such detailed design spec yet
[14:45] <fginther> sergiusens, phone-app update is deployed
[14:59] <dpm> oSoMoN, hm, was the /e/d/locale value reverted or something on reboot? Could you try to set the locale in ~/.pam_environment and also reboot?
[15:00] <oSoMoN> dpm: let me try that
[15:01] <dpm> thanks oSoMoN
[15:01] <oSoMoN> dpm: the contents of /e/d/locale were not overwritten
[15:05] <dpm> oSoMoN, otp, so I might not be too responsive, but ack
[15:05] <oSoMoN> dpm: in fact I just tried running the app from the shell with LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8 and it doesn’t work either
[15:06] <oSoMoN> dpm: it works with LANGUAGE, not with LANG
[15:06] <oSoMoN> dpm: which would explain why /etc/default/locale isn’t taken into account
[15:06] <dpm> oSoMoN, that's really weird, though
[15:07] <dpm> oSoMoN, LANGUAGE is a gettext extension, but the others (LANG & LC_*) should work. There might be some piece in the localization machinery on the touch images
[15:07] <oSoMoN> dpm: I’m looking at the code of the UITK that deals with i18n, and indeed it operates only with the LANGUAGE env var
[15:08] <dpm> oSoMoN, but it works with LANG on my desktop
[15:09] <oSoMoN> dpm: see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/trunk/view/head:/modules/Ubuntu/Components/plugin/i18n.cpp
[15:10] <oSoMoN> dpm: scrap that, it’s only for the language property, but the code calls the standard gettext functions, and they should honor LANG and LC_*
[15:10] <dpm> oSoMoN, exactly :)
[15:10] <oSoMoN> dpm: so I don’t know what’s going on, but there’s something that we’re missing
[15:11] <dpm> oSoMoN, do you want to join #ubuntu-desktop and we can continue the discussion with pitti and seb128 there?
[15:11] <dpm> or #ubuntu-devel
[15:12] <oSoMoN> dpm: sure
[15:12] <oSoMoN> dpm: I’m on both chans now
[15:17] <Mirv> ogra_ / sergiusens hmm there weren't really saucy packages before the copy in the qt5-proper
[15:18] <ogra_> so will you copy them over now or do i have to roll back ?
[15:18] <ogra_> (i have to do a manual build now anyway)
[15:18] <Mirv> and the saucy preparation copies were done in the daily-build-next
[15:19] <Mirv> ogra_: I mean there shouldn't have been anything for saucy in qt5-proper before I now did the first copies
[15:19] <ogra_> Mirv, well, then the copies break it
[15:19] <ogra_> it definitely worked fine until this change
[15:19] <Mirv> qtbase and qtpim are in daily-build-next
[15:19] <Mirv> ogra_: nothing new was copied to daily-build-next
[15:20] <Mirv> ogra_: when the saucy first preparation was done, people copied the needed packages to daily-build-next and qt5-proper was afaik left empty
[15:21] <ogra_> well, all i can say is that yesterdays build worked, and todays does have a lot of uninstallables after the change
[15:21] <Mirv> ogra_: I can see qtfeedback though as the only one in qt5-proper, I can copy that over to daily-build-next
[15:22] <Mirv> ogra_: does that look like something that would be missing?
[15:24] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/saucy/ubuntu-touch/20130517/livecd-20130517-armhf.out
[15:24] <ogra_> Mirv, see the bottom of the build log
[15:26] <Mirv> ogra_: hmm, it doesn't say much in detail. do you know how to check all installed packages on the previous image for packages that depend on libqt5feedback5? there might be a blocker like that which then prevents further packages
[15:27] <Mirv> ogra_: I copied the qtfeedback to daily-build-next, it seemed to be the only package that's not in archives or in daily-build-next but was in qt5-proper
[15:27] <ogra_> well, i can trigger a new build
[15:27] <ogra_> lets see
[15:27] <ogra_> running ... we'll know in about 1h
[15:28] <Mirv> ogra_: the LP takes 10-15min to publish
[15:28] <Mirv> even binary copies
[15:28] <Mirv> ogra_: if you have a device running saucy, you could try apt-cache rdepends libqt5feedback5 + apt-cache rdepends qtdeclarative5-qtfeedback-plugin
[15:28] <ogra_> yeah, the build takes a few mins to set up its environment too
[15:28] <ogra_> i dont, i'm working on the container flip atm
[15:28] <ogra_> no gui, no network etc
[15:29] <Mirv> I'll try on desktop, enabling the ppas
[15:31] <Mirv> well even with phablet ppa + daily-build-next, the rdepends doesn't give anything
[15:32] <Mirv> but qtpim and qtfeedback are the only packages in use that weren't uploaded to raring archives, those are now both in daily-build-next
[15:32] <ogra_> well, lets see what the build does now
[15:33] <ogra_> i definitely see nop changes in the archive over the last two days that could have caused it
[15:37] <Mirv> ogra_: why does it say in that build log that qt5-proper would still be enabled?
[15:38] <Mirv> ogra_: ie there's apt line and it isn't commented out
[15:42] <ogra_> Mirv, hmm
[15:44] <ogra_> Mirv, might be that the build was to early before the livecd-rootfs change that dropped the PPA was promoted in the archive
[15:44] <ogra_> lets see how the new one comes out
[15:44] <ogra_> probably that was the issue
[15:45] <Mirv> ogra_: probably. since LP is so excellent in showing history, I cannot prove afterwards that qt5-proper was empty regarding saucy anymore, but all indicates to that it was except for the qtfeedback
[15:46] <ogra_> right
[15:46] <ogra_> lets just wait for the build to finish or fail
[15:46] <ogra_> it still runs it seems
[15:47] <Mirv> ok. I try to glance back still, but my health isn't taking these 12h+ days anymore.
[15:47] <ogra_> Mirv, looking at the log on the buildd now ... looks all fine
[15:48] <ogra_> Mirv, i know what you mean ... i know that 16h days over two months get me into hospital (already had that) ... so relax and enjoy your weekend, looks like everything is fine now
[15:48] <ogra_> and sorry for the false alarm
[15:49] <Mirv> sergiusens: oh right, regarding saucy + daily-build-next - it's very useful if you have extra time to get saucy image on device, enable qt5-proper PPA and do dist-upgrade and start looking at the issues. I'd like to start Qt uploads to saucy next week, at which point those packages will arrive anyhow. but it can be postponed if it seems there are some issues to be solved before the upgrade
[15:49] <Mirv> ogra_: thanks :) and no problem.
[15:51] <oSoMoN> didrocks: I’ve got a fix for the webbrowser-app autopilot failure, it’s just been approved, so it should land soon (https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/really-assert-eventually-loaded/+merge/164436)
[15:51] <didrocks> oSoMoN: awesome \o/
[15:51] <didrocks> thanks :)
[15:51] <didrocks> sil2100: not sure if you ping oSoMoN about it before, but FYI ^
[15:51] <didrocks> oSoMoN: so, if all moons align, the apps stack will daily release on Monday :)
[15:53] <oSoMoN> didrocks: hopefully our infrastructure doesn’t depend too much on the skies ;)
[15:53] <didrocks> oSoMoN: heh, still, crossing fingers help as well! :)
[15:54] <sil2100> \o/
[15:54] <sil2100> oSoMoN: awesome, thanks!
[15:54]  * sil2100 is in the middle of breaking things, sooo
[15:55] <didrocks> cyphermox: hey, any news on the HUD stack failing? :)
[15:56] <bobweaver> Hello is there a way to reload a loader from a diffreent page ?
[15:57] <cyphermox> didrocks: well there are still a few tests failing sadly http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/417/testReport/
[15:57] <didrocks> cyphermox: yeah, hence my question, is it under work to get those fixed?
[15:58] <cyphermox> didrocks: it's supposed to be yes, I pinged tedg about that yesterday
[15:58] <didrocks> tedg: any news? ^
[15:58] <dpm> oSoMoN, is there a ppa or some way to install webbrowser-app on a desktop for translators to test translations?
[15:58] <cyphermox> well, tedg and bregma really
[15:58] <didrocks> cyphermox: mind tracking that? We really need to have everything rolling :p
[15:58] <tedg> cyphermox, Were you able to try without --parallel ?
[15:59] <cyphermox> tedg: that's unrelated
[15:59] <tedg> I thought that's where we left it.
[15:59] <cyphermox> --parallel is removed now
[15:59] <tedg> Oh, that's the button ones?
[15:59] <cyphermox> this is about this HudButton mess yeah
[15:59] <cyphermox> seems to me like hud and unity aren't matching up w.r.t. expected APIs
[15:59] <tedg> I thought that sil2100 was looking into that and trying to add I timeout for the entires to stabilize.
[15:59] <tedg> "add a"
[16:00] <cyphermox> doesn't look like a timeout kind of thing though
[16:00] <cyphermox> http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/417/label=autopilot-intel/testReport/unity.tests.test_hud/HudBehaviorTests/test_gedit_undo/
[16:01] <oSoMoN> dpm: yes, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/daily-build-next, but this PPA is not safe for a desktop setup, so one should deactivate it after installing the app, otherwise it might badly break unity
[16:01] <dpm> ok, thanks oSoMoN
[16:04] <sil2100> tedg: yes, I have a branch
[16:04] <sil2100> Wai
[16:04] <sil2100> Wait
[16:04]  * sil2100 didn't read it well enough
[16:05] <sil2100> Scratch that, I seem to be doing too many things at once
[16:05] <cyphermox> tedg: the issue is that sil2100 and I don't know enough of all the intricacies of the hud code and unity code interactions to be very effective in fixing the tests that fail
[16:05]  * sil2100 stays silent
[16:06] <cyphermox> bregma: tedg: if you could please look into these tests, or assuming that they are deemed unnecessary and other tests cover the code sufficiently well, remove them
[16:06] <cyphermox> (I don't know about didrocks, but I feel fine with removing tests if they're just totally broken and the stuff is covered)
[16:07] <tedg> I think that, in this case, the issue is that HUD2 updates the entries, so that the button being used disappears.  So I think it is a timing issue.
[16:07] <cyphermox> or we can possibly change the threshold for failing tests
[16:07] <didrocks> cyphermox: well, if you are confident there are enough tests covering that…
[16:07] <bregma> consensus in my team was that the tests were too fast and a timing tweak should have caused them to succeed
[16:07] <tedg> We need to wait for the HUD dialog to stabilize before looking at it's results.
[16:07] <cyphermox> didrocks: I'm not, but the developers writing the projects might be :)
[16:08] <cyphermox> tedg: but we can't drop hud tests without not releasing hud
[16:08] <cyphermox> if it's a timing issue, please let me know how to fix it
[16:08] <cyphermox> there are three tests here that are failing reliably on all three autopilot vms http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/ps-generic-autopilot-release-testing/417/testReport/
[16:08] <tedg> I think that we need to submit value to HUD, wait, check results.  That wait in the middle either doesn't exist, or isn't long enough.
[16:09] <tedg> I don't know how to edit that value, but I was thinking that was what sil2100 was doing.
[16:09] <tedg> sil2100, Can you point us to the branch you said you have here?
[16:11] <cyphermox> ok, so there is already some kind of sleep/retry
[16:11] <cyphermox> yuck
[16:11] <cyphermox> this is something in autopilot itself
[16:12] <cyphermox> ok, going to increase timeout to 30 seconds instead of the apparent default 10
[16:13] <cyphermox> it seems to me like 10 seconds should be enough for any such changes to appear though
[16:13] <cyphermox> like, more than enough
[16:15] <sil2100> tedg: I mis-read, I didn't work on this
[16:15] <sil2100> tedg: since I don't know what failures you are talking about right now
[16:15] <sil2100> I have some fixes for unity autopilot
[16:15] <sil2100> Let me fetch that
[16:16] <sil2100> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_misc_changes
[16:16] <tedg> Hmm, okay.
[16:16] <sil2100> Not sure if that's what you guys were talking about
[16:16] <tedg> Is there video on this test?  Can we see what autopilot is seeing there?
[16:17] <tedg> sil2100, Not sure.
[16:17] <tedg> But cyphermox, we should see if this helps: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_misc_changes/revision/3325
[16:18] <ogra_> Mirv, just FYI ... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ looks fine
[16:19] <sil2100> tedg, cyphermox: I didn't propose a merge yet as I was working on two other failures
[16:20] <cyphermox> I think there is a better way to do this than a sleep()
[16:21] <FrederickLinux> hi
[16:21] <FrederickLinux> i need help please
[16:22] <sil2100_> uh
[16:22] <FrederickLinux> I want to learn to program for ubuntu touch
[16:23] <FrederickLinux> I installed the SDK and QtCreator IDE
[16:23] <cyphermox> sil2100_:  didrocks: bregma: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/unity/hud-tests-timeouts/+merge/164447
[16:24] <FrederickLinux> but I can not create projects in QtCreator for Ubuntu, does not give me the option to do
[16:24]  * didrocks would prefer bregma to review as he's the code owner :)
[16:24] <cyphermox> sure sure ;)
[16:25] <pmcgowan> FrederickLinux, did you get them from the PPAs
[16:25] <FrederickLinux> yes i installed all tools by ppa, ubuntu-sdk, qt5*, but when
[16:26] <FrederickLinux> i prees ctrl+n
[16:26] <sil2100_> cyphermox: what error does this fix?
[16:26] <FrederickLinux> no ubuntu project option
[16:26] <sil2100_> cyphermox: did you see the branches I made?
[16:26] <pmcgowan> should be the first one
[16:26] <sil2100_> As I fixed the gedit_undo failure
[16:27] <sil2100_> cyphermox: the branch I mean, I gave the link ^
[16:27] <didrocks> Mirv: I think you should rerun the SDk stack to be able to publish today's change
[16:27] <cyphermox> sil2100_: yes, I did see it
[16:27] <didrocks> Mirv: if you fixed trunk
[16:28] <cyphermox> ah, the second hunk would make sense yeah
[16:28] <cyphermox> but the first sleep is IMO wrong
[16:28] <pmcgowan> FrederickLinux, not sure why that would be, what version of qtcreator do you have installed
[16:28] <sil2100_> cyphermox: you mean, in my branch?
[16:28] <cyphermox> sil2100_: yeah
[16:28] <cyphermox> I'll take that second part and apply it in my merge
[16:29] <sil2100_> cyphermox: both of them are needed due to LP: #1172237
[16:29] <sil2100_> No wait, wrong
[16:29] <sil2100_> cyphermox: due to LP: #1180903
 qtcreator version is 2.7.1 bases in qt5.0.2
[16:30] <cyphermox> sil2100_: yes, but I believe the sleep is wrong
[16:30] <cyphermox> you can control-s whenever you want
[16:30] <sil2100_> cyphermox: the sleep is needed there because otherwise Ctrl+s is pressed too fast before the undo takes place
[16:30] <pmcgowan> Mirv, are you still around
[16:31] <sil2100_> cyphermox: it's saving without undoing
[16:31] <sil2100_> cyphermox: you need to press ctrl+s (save that to file) once the undo already takes place
[16:31] <cyphermox> fair enough
[16:31] <sil2100_> cyphermox: since the test checks the file for the change
[16:31] <cyphermox> well please propose this for merge then
[16:31] <sil2100_> (this test is so hacky...)
[16:32] <pmcgowan> FrederickLinux, can you do apt-cache policy qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu in a terminal and get the version
[16:32] <dpm> oSoMoN, the first translations are coming in https://translations.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/trunk/+pots/webbrowser-app :-)
[16:32] <dpm> ah, missed him for a second
[16:33] <pmcgowan> FrederickLinux, this may help but did not think this still occurred http://askubuntu.com/questions/259719/qt-quick-ui-templates-missing-from-qt-creators-new-file-or-project-dialog
 ok thanks, in the terminal the version plugin ubuntu for qtcreator say:
 installed 2.7.1-ubuntu-raring-test
[16:35] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:35] <pmcgowan> try the instructions in that lik
[16:35] <pmcgowan> link
 candidate 2.7.1-ubuntu-raring-test
[16:35] <pmcgowan> FrederickLinux, thats the right stuff
ok i try the instructions, very thanks for you help
[16:36] <FrederickLinux> pmcgowan then i go see the instructions
[16:37] <sil2100_> https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_misc_changes/+merge/164452
[16:37] <sil2100_> cyphermox, bregma: ^
[16:40] <bregma> sil2100_, cyphermox, I want bschaefer to review that because he was originally looking into the problem on our side, he's out for an hour or so
 thans for you help, this instructions solved my problem,
[16:40] <pmcgowan> super!
 is perfect in this moment i have a templeates for ubuntu touch, mmm you speak spanish?
[16:42] <pmcgowan> FrederickLinux, afraid not
[16:43] <dpm> nik90, sorry, I had to go into calls and I didn't finish testing your branch. At a first glance, it seems Arabic is loading the right localized numbers, though
[16:43] <sil2100_> bregma, cyphermox, bschaefer: I asked tedg about that yesterday and he said 'ok' to a workaround for now
 ok no problem, mmm then i see later, thanks and good luck
[16:44] <bschaefer> sil2100_, have I missed something?
[16:45] <bschaefer> workaround for?
[16:47] <sil2100_> bschaefer: workaround for the HUD lagging in entry activation while search is still updating
[16:47] <sil2100_> bschaefer: iated/fyodorovna] has joined #ubuntu-touch
[16:47] <sil2100_> grrr
[16:47] <sil2100_> bschaefer: LP: #1180903
[16:47] <bschaefer> sil2100_, o cool, yeah im pretty sure thats the real cause of those hud failures
[16:48] <bschaefer> hud failures in the AP tests
[16:48] <nik90> dpm: ah that's nice to know
[16:48] <bregma> bschaefer, https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/unity/autopilot_misc_changes/+merge/164452
[16:49] <nik90> dpm: in that case, I will continue doing this to other parts of the clock app where appropriate and then look to merging it into the clock app.
[16:49] <bschaefer> bregma, cool
[16:49] <bschaefer> sil2100_, thanks for pushing a branch :)
[16:49]  * bschaefer reviews
[16:49] <sil2100_> bschaefer: and with cyphermox timeout changes, it makes even more sense
[16:49] <udev1_2> How to add notification in qml app for ubuntu touch? (http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1ehwz9/how_to_add_notification_in_qml_app_for_ubuntu/)
[16:49] <nik90> dpm: I will get it reviewed by you before the merge to trunk.
[16:49] <sil2100_> https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/unity/hud-tests-timeouts/+merge/164447 <- as well ;)
[16:49] <bschaefer> sil2100_, yup :)
[16:50] <bschaefer> sil2100_, and cool, yeah I had the AP tests re run and they haven't shown up again, which sounds like a timing issue to me
[16:50]  * bschaefer also wonders why we are in #ubuntu-touch
[16:50] <udev1_2> If there is a ubuntu touch dev team, who could help me on this?
[16:50] <bregma> I'm concerned these problems may actually reveal a regression in the HUD responsiveness, though
[16:51] <nik90> dpm: you got any screenshots for blogging purposes :) ?
[16:51] <bschaefer> bregma, yeah, hmm shall we poke tedg to take a look at that?
[16:52] <udev1_2> How do you add notify-osd style notification on ubuntu touch?
[16:53] <dpm> nik90, let me check it out properly and send you a screenshot
[16:58] <nik90> dpm: thnx
[16:58] <sil2100_> bregma, bschaefer: tedg said yesterday that they know about this issue and were discussing it
[16:59] <udev1_2> Is notification api (not signal/slot) built onto the sdk already or is it not. If it is where should I look, I need a guidance guys. If it is not built, I would like some dev to tell so, please
[16:59] <boiko> udev1_2: if your app uses C/C++, you can use libnotify to place notifications
[17:00] <boiko> udev1_2: not sure there is notifications already in the toolkit, but at some point I think there will be
[17:00] <udev1_2> boiko, thanks. However I was hit by a concern in last virtual uds about having an api or something over c++
[17:01] <udev1_2> If there is already, a custom one would be waste and a security issue too
[17:02] <boiko> udev1_2: what do you mean? if we create a C++ API or QML bindings, they will have to be compatible with libnotify's API, and probably even use libnotify behind the scenes
[17:02] <udev1_2> Ok no problem then, I will create one. Thanks for the help
[17:28] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, is bug #1180537 fixed then?
[17:33] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: well, yes
[17:34] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, cool
[17:34] <sergiusens> pmcgowan: not in the best way, but fixed
[18:08] <nik90> fginther: can you check if the automatic merge bot for the clock app is down? I approved a branch 35 mins ago and it is still unmerged.
[18:08] <nik90> fginther: I remember it running every 15 mins.
[18:08] <fginther> nik90, I'll check
[18:09] <fginther> nik90, yes. it is down. :-(  I'll contact the admins.
[18:09] <nik90> fginther: thnx
[18:10]  * nik90 wonders if he broke it :-)
[18:22] <fginther> nik90, it's up and running again. Looks like your MP is building now
[18:24] <nik90> fginther: just got the email notification. thnx for getting it up and running.
[18:24]  * nik90 loves the bot..does so much work everyday 
[19:10] <axt> hi
[19:10] <axt> i'm trying to install ubuntu-touch to my phone, but got some problems! can somebody help me maybe?
[19:18] <pmcgowan> axt, go ahead and post your questions
[19:19] <axt> pmcgowan, i think i figured out the problem! I thought i have a galax nexus, but its a galaxy nexus s, and I guess that version  is not supported
[19:19] <pmcgowan> ah
[19:19] <pmcgowan> axt, you check the devices page
[19:21] <axt> pmcgowan, you mean on this site? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[19:21] <pmcgowan> yep
[19:21] <axt> yes, it only mentions "galaxy nexus"
[19:21] <axt> not "galaxy nexus s"
[19:22] <axt> so i guess that two are two different versions, and the later is not yet supported
[19:22] <pmcgowan> axt, no there is another porting page
[19:22] <pmcgowan> !devices | axt
[19:23] <pmcgowan> says wip
[19:23] <axt> !devices
[19:23] <axt> pmcgowan: thanx, i will look up there
[19:35] <mhall119> nik90: is there a clock meeting today, or did popey cancel it?
[19:37] <nik90> mhall119: sry I forgot
[19:45] <jhpy1024> Does anyone know if I can run python programs on Ubuntu touch?
[19:45] <jhpy1024> I'm thinking of trying it out on my Nexus 10
[19:51] <f69m> Sure, python works. Though it is not the best idea to use python on a mobile device, considering energy consumption and RAM usage.
[19:51] <rob_w> well they use java .. so what
[19:52] <f69m> hehe, true :-)
[19:52] <f69m> But UT doesn't!
[20:00] <dobey> f69m: but it's not impossible to install j2me on an ubuntu image, and run some java apps, if you really want to
[20:02] <f69m> dobey: Of course. All the power hidden in the Ubuntu repos is st your fingertips. That's the beauty of UT.
[20:04] <mhall119> anybody around for the YouTube app meeting?
[20:40] <niel> is this the right place to ask advice for a phone I will be getting and installing ubuntu?
[20:41] <niel> well ill go for it ive always has an IOS device and want to switch to an ubuntu device now do I just go get an android and install it I have to clue
[20:42] <user82> niel, right now ubuntu touch is not completely ready. but first class phones would be the nexus devices (the google ones) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[20:44] <niel> like what cant it do compared to  normal smartphone?
[20:45] <dobey> make calls, install apps, in general be a usable phone. it's not a finished and ready system yet.
[20:45] <user82> niel, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#What_to_expect_after_flashing
[20:46] <user82> and yes i meant no _yet_ _completely_. but they say very soon it is usable (end of may they said actually)
[20:46] <dobey> well a few people have been able to make calls with it now. but it's an in-development system. there will be a lot of changes over the next 6-12 months
[20:46] <niel> well thats a little dissapointing
[20:46] <niel> it says it can make calls
[20:47] <niel> Phone calls and SMS (on Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 4)
[20:48] <niel> so the promo videos are quite deceiving
[20:48] <dobey> no
[20:48] <dobey> they are promo videos
[20:48] <dobey> or well, demo videos
[20:49] <niel> if it cant make calls why would anyone use it?
[20:49] <dobey> it's an open development model
[20:49] <dobey> it will eventually make calls on all the devices it can run on
[20:50] <dobey> like we said, it's not finished
[20:50] <dobey> if you want a finished product, than your best bet is to wait until it's finished, and a phone is announced that ships with ubuntu on it from the factory
[20:50] <niel> but from there website with the whole phone section they make it sound finished
[20:50] <user82> calls should work on the nexus devies...3g data is the thing missing for me
[20:51] <niel> ouch
[20:51] <niel> yea I kind of need my phone
[20:51] <user82> well wait a few more months..then it will be a complete system
[20:51] <user82> and 3g data shoudl work very soon
[20:51] <niel> ok cool did you say there will be an ubuntu phone?
[20:52] <dobey> the whole point of building a mobile OS is so that OEMs will ship it on their mobile devices, yes.
[20:52] <niel> awesome
[20:54] <niel> well I guess ill deal with my iphone and check to see if its out every few weeks
[21:47] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, nice job on the importer~
[21:47] <rickspencer3> !!
[21:55] <UBSven> hi
[21:56] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: ty
[22:01] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, you are absolutely incredible
[22:01] <rickspencer3> I hope you are having fun working on Ubuntu Touch, because you are just absolutely rocking it
[22:01] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: I do have fun! Thanks
[22:02] <rickspencer3> nice :)
[22:02] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, I really think we'll be able to use our phones full time after May, at the rate we are going
[22:03] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, having phablet-flash preserve my data today was a nice touch, was that you as well?
[22:03] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: I'm using it already :-) I only miss social network integration (as in IM)
[22:03] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, hmm, what IM client?
[22:03] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: yeah, some mods to the way we update the system
[22:04] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: facebook messenger, google talk... I use those extensively with data
[22:04] <rickspencer3> hmmmm
[22:04] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, I'll take a loot at their APIs
[22:04] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: they should work with the phone-app somehow... it's xmpp
[22:06] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, ok, I'll see if I can find some time to poke at it
[22:06] <sergiusens> rickspencer3: sounds good
[22:06] <sergiusens> I'll play around with it later
[22:13] <user82> rickspencer3, has 3g data come along?
[22:14] <rickspencer3> user82, according to ChickenCutlass it should be working as early as next week
[22:14] <rickspencer3> It sounds like awe_ hit some snags, but has overcome them
[22:15] <user82> very good to know!
[22:15] <rickspencer3> and is in the debugging phases
[22:15] <user82> what about facebook and music player?
[22:15] <rickspencer3> looking at the clock, I assume at this moment both of them are in the Friday night beer phase
[22:15] <rickspencer3> user82, I think that for facebook, that will just be a web app
[22:16] <rickspencer3> the music player/media player is coming along
[22:16] <user82> very good. looking forward to switching over to ubuntu!
[22:16] <rickspencer3> not sure of the status, but you should be able to install it and try it out, even on your desktop
[22:16] <rickspencer3> user82, cool!
[22:16] <rickspencer3> I can't wait to get my phone next week :)
[22:16] <user82> nexus 4 i assume?
[22:17] <rickspencer3> user82, yeah
[22:18] <rickspencer3> I was looking for a nexus, but just couldn't find one
[22:18] <rickspencer3> I like to keep my hardware low end ;)
[22:18] <user82> can i make a app that just points to a website like in the desktop ubuntu web-apps?
[22:18] <rickspencer3> user82, yes
[22:19] <rickspencer3> user82, you can use QtCreator to wrap up QtWebkit, for example
[22:19] <user82> for the local transport. i guess that site would fit in there? http://efa.mvv-muenchen.de/mvv/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=de
[22:19] <rickspencer3> but I think the webapps team has some fancier tools in mind
[22:19] <user82> ok good to know
[22:19] <rickspencer3> user82, well, you could wrap that in a web kit window
[22:20] <rickspencer3> but I'm betting is uses form posts
[22:20] <rickspencer3> in which case you could probably make a nicer customer qt front end for it
[22:20] <user82> the local transport app is the thing i will miss the most..i eventually try to recreate it since there is an open source app to access the data
[22:20] <nik90> user82, rickspencer3: there is a facebook core apps being developed at the moment.
[22:21] <rickspencer3> nik90, oh? good to know ... and very cool
[22:21] <nik90> I heard it is coming along good as well with the friends api
[22:21] <user82> okay good to know nik90
[22:22] <rickspencer3> I think jono is a good resource for keeping up with the status of different apps as well
[22:22] <rickspencer3> though sounds like nik90 is pretty clued in to what is going on ;)
[22:22] <user82> well this site is even better i guess http://efa.mvv-muenchen.de/mobile/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=de
[22:23] <user82> whatever..good to know it works
[22:23] <user82> has anyone compared the battery life to stock android?
[22:29] <nik90> rickspencer3: :)
[22:29] <rickspencer3> user82, yeah, there is a pretty big effort around power management
[22:29] <rickspencer3> the plan is that we will set current android performance specs as limits
[22:30] <nik90> user82: the site should do the job, however the site should defintely have an api. It would look and perform much better if it is written in qml.
[22:30] <rickspencer3> and any day that we exceed those limits, we will fail the image, and fix it until it beats android again
[22:36] <user82> nik90, there is no api i am afraid
[22:36] <user82> rickspencer3, can i install a custom android kernel? and configure it with root rights
[22:39] <rickspencer3> user82, uh, you can do whatever you want, I guess ...
[22:39] <rickspencer3> but I wouldn't know how to do what you are asking
[22:40] <user82> well there would need to be an app that writes stuff to the corresponding "files"...maybe someone develops it
[22:43] <lenios> rickspencer3, are you confident you can beat the android performance everytime?
[22:44] <rickspencer3> lenios, I think it's a worthy goal
[22:44] <rickspencer3> and we have some seriously smart and motivated people working on it
[22:44] <rickspencer3> so, yeah, I'm confident :)
[22:44] <lenios> great :)
[22:47] <user82> with performance you mean battery time?
[22:48] <user82> can you run custom boot scripts in ubuntu touch. i guess so?
[22:49] <user82> nik90, i sent out an email to the local transport asking for api possibility
[22:50] <nik90> user82: nice. If you are planning to write an app, I can always help :)
[22:50] <nik90> user82: or atleast provide incase you are stuck somewhere
[22:51] <user82> nik90, i have very less programmign experience. but i guess i can manage to dig myself through the tutorials and give it a shot
[22:51] <user82> biggest channlenge i see when a api is given is autoguess the right station from what the user is alredy typing
[22:54] <user82> is the qml compiled to native code?
[22:56] <nik90> user82: no compilation required
[22:57] <user82> nik90, then how performant is it? is it any better than dalvikvm?
[22:57] <nik90> there are plans to revamp developer.ubuntu.com to provide code snippets to help new users
[22:57] <nik90> definitely better than dalvikvm
[22:57] <user82> ok
[22:57] <nik90> android uses java and hence requires dalvikvm.
[22:58] <nik90> while qml/qt code are all native and do not require dalvikvm. hence they run directly on the system thereby cutting any middleman out
[22:58] <nik90> hence the performance is much better
[22:59] <user82> well i just noticed the current android app provided has a nice list of all stuff included...a offline app should work already without api
[23:00] <awe_> rickspencer3, unless I get really lucky, 3g is week after next with manual configuration required as we won't have all the settings UI in place
[23:01] <rickspencer3> hey awe_ manual settings is fine for dogfooding
[23:01] <rickspencer3> :)
[23:01] <awe_> rickspencer3, but that said, I did get past the reverse engineering crap for now...
[23:10] <rickspencer3> awe_, that's awesome
[23:10] <rickspencer3> see what I did htere
[23:22] <mhall119> anybody know when we'll gain the ability to change the icons in the Launcher?
[23:24] <user82> while you are on that mhall119: and when we can change the lockscreen color
[23:28] <mhall119> I assume that will change based on wallpaper, like desktop does
[23:30] <user82> that would be cool