[04:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:58] <Kilos> hi magespawn_ and all you other lurkers
[06:03] <trender> yo oom
[06:04] <skaaaaaaap> yooo ooom
[06:04] <Kilos> lol
[06:04] <skaaaaaaap> kom kry man ek hol weg
[06:05] <skaaaaaaap> i fixed the box 100%
[06:05] <Kilos> good
[06:05] <skaaaaaaap> spent most night doing it man
[06:05] <skaaaaaaap> had to learn linux
[06:05] <skaaaaaaap> :(
[06:37] <magespawn_> good morning all
[06:43] <Squirm> morning
[06:43]  * Squirm falls asleep
[06:45] <Kilos> hi Squirm Vince-0 
[07:10] <superfly> since when is it sad to "learn Linux"?
[07:11] <Kilos> lol
[07:11] <Kilos> totally ms brainwashed
[07:11] <Kilos> lo the fly
[07:14] <magespawn> just had a local star school ask me to remove ubuntu and install ms because 'ubuntu is too difficult to learn'
[07:14] <magespawn> hey superfly Kilos 
[07:14] <superfly> no, it's just different
[07:15] <superfly> and when you're brainwashed with MS...
[07:15] <magespawn> the teachers apperently find it too difficult
[07:15] <superfly> magespawn: did you quote them for the licenses?
[07:15] <superfly> that should put them off
[07:15] <Kilos> all his machines he makes use windows
[07:16] <magespawn> i did and for install time too
[07:16] <magespawn> and anti-virus
[07:16] <superfly> magespawn: also, don't forget to make sure to quote them at least R300 per hour for any Windows support
[07:16] <magespawn> then also explained they would have to buy office
[07:16] <superfly> any time you get called out, it costs them a minimum of R300
[07:17] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[07:18] <magespawn> these are donated machines, that came with ubuntu
[07:19] <superfly> donated? they probably wouldn't run anything newer than XP, which you cannot get
[07:20] <magespawn> kind of what i am hoping actually, although the other route makes me a lot more money
[07:22] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[07:22] <psyatw> hello magespawn
[07:22] <psyatw> hi superfly
[07:22] <superfly> hi psyatw
[07:23] <magespawn> hey psyatw 
[07:24] <magespawn> Kilos: i do try to get people to use ubuntu, cuts the price of a entry level desktop by about R1000 depending on the version of ms
[07:26] <Kilos> good magespawn i just find it weird that supposed to be clever peeps dont see the better quality and other perks that come witrh ubuntu
[07:27] <Kilos> with
[07:28] <Kilos> but for peeps that do work like ian does i understand the need for winsucks too
[07:29] <Kilos> is everything at your work linux based superfly ?
[07:31] <superfly> Kilos: no
[07:31] <superfly> most folks are running Windows
[07:31] <superfly> but HawkiesZA and I run Linux (Ubuntu and Kubuntu)
[07:31] <Kilos> thats the biggest prob
[07:31] <superfly> Actually, our CEO uses Ubuntu too now.
[07:31] <Kilos> the enlightened slowly wake the others up bit by bit
[07:34] <magespawn> indeed and i also do not charge for ubuntu installs
[07:38] <Kilos> but at times its like trying to force a english speaking person to learn chinese or jap
[07:38] <Kilos> they cant break out of the mold
[07:42] <magespawn> there is an idea put forward that ukzn should/will make in mandatory to take Zulu as a subject regardless of the degree taken
[07:43] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:43] <magespawn> i like the idea of people learning another language, but dislike the idea of it being set
[07:43] <Kilos> zulu is easier then jap
[07:43] <magespawn> no freedom of choice, there must always be choice
[07:44] <Kilos> there was always 2 compulsary languages but i think they dumping or dumped afrikaans
[07:45] <Kilos> so each province will most likely add their own local language as compulsary
[07:45] <Kilos> then a third as optional
[07:46] <Symmetria> win! another accurate prediction 
[07:46] <Symmetria> 18 months ago I said, within 24 months, tata gonna bail on neotel
[07:46] <Symmetria> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/business/78032-neotel-for-sale-vodacom-mtn-looking-to-buy-sources.html
[07:51] <magespawn> only rumors at tye moment Symmetria, no confirmation
[07:53] <Symmetria> magespawn heh trust me in this industry, rumours like that are almost never without merit
[07:53] <Symmetria> the thing thats gonna stop that sale is the courts, I guarantee the moment a deal is struck there will be instant court cases
[07:54] <Symmetria> if vodacom wins it, mtn will be in court crying 
[07:54] <Symmetria> if mtn wins it, well, vodacom, telkom and lotsa others will be in court 
[07:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.techcentral.co.za/neotel-is-not-for-sale-tata/40369/
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> of course that's standard practice isn't it?
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> "nothing is going on!"
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> until the next second when they make the official announcement
[08:05] <magespawn> trying to stop people short selling stock etc
[08:05] <Symmetria> lol, if tata were bailing on neotel, I'd be going long on tata not short 
[08:05] <Symmetria> neotel is a disaster 
[08:06] <Symmetria> they have run huge losses virtually every year since they opened their door (and I mean *HUGE*)
[08:09] <Symmetria> http://news.sky.com/
[08:09] <Symmetria> *SIGH*
[08:09] <Symmetria> nice headline for za :(
[08:13] <charl> good morning
[08:13] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[08:13]  * Maaz_ puts the kettle on
[08:14] <magespawn> hey charl 
[08:14] <charl> hi magespawn 
[08:14] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[08:14] <Maaz_> magespawn: Done
[08:15] <psyatw> hi charl
[08:15] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[08:15] <charl> i wonder where this photo was taken https://twitter.com/danbri/status/325615884032933888/photo/1
[08:15] <charl> hi psyatw 
[08:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello
[08:15] <psyatw> I was told that making my work laptop dualboot isn´t ´handy´
[08:16] <psyatw> as if I care for windows and work when I am at home, they didn´t tell me that I had to work from home or anything
[08:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> what sort of work do you do?
[08:16] <psyatw> I´m a service desk analyst
[08:17] <psyatw> so I only have to take calls and log incidents and problems when I am at work
[08:17] <charl> psyatw: why dual boot in the first place... these days you just virtualize
[08:17] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and magespawn!
[08:17] <psyatw> charl, because I use linux at home
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that's weird, wouldn't expect much "work from home" in that position
[08:17] <psyatw> and don´t touch the windows part at all
[08:17] <charl> yeah but i mean, why not just run the one or the other inside a virtual machine
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> i dual boot too, there are some things virtualisation is useless at
[08:18] <charl> i need windows for work so i run windows 8 inside a virtual machine inside vmware
[08:18] <psyatw> because I only have windows for work
[08:18] <charl> and then i run linux as my host
[08:18] <psyatw> it needs to be physical,they installed it for me
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> my windows partition is for running games, and there's no sense running that in a VM
[08:18] <psyatw> it is connected to the voip network etc.
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> although now portal is on linux, that's a good start
[08:19] <charl> ah i see, voip can have trouble running behind a nat router
[08:19] <psyatw> yeah
[08:19] <psyatw> but this company is too much windows minded, I guess
[08:20] <psyatw> the only thing making a difference is grub as my bootloader, but it doesn´t do anything at all
[08:20] <charl> although, you can set it up that the virtual machine has an ip address on the network
[08:21] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: i think gaming would be one of the "exceptional" uses where you definitely want to run it on the host for optimal use
[08:21] <charl> for most other purposes it doesn't matter
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a windows vm for work stuffs, but i put that on a vmware cluster
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't need it to be portable
[08:22] <charl> as long as you have internet you can just rdp into it and work
[08:22] <charl> a lot of people work from home like that
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> still a lot of windowsy stuff to do at work
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was actually hired to be the designated windows guy
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> strange how things turn out
[08:23] <charl> you should not publicly admit it in this channel ;)
[08:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> meh
[08:23] <magespawn> lol
[08:23] <magespawn> one of those things
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> i work with whatever there is
[08:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> most businesses still have a lot of windows, there's no way around it
[08:25] <psyatw> I am glad I have nothing to do with windows here at work
[08:25] <psyatw> except for using it to do my job
[08:26] <magespawn> Symmetria: got to love this line from that article http://slexy.org/view/s2cOu8QfJr
[08:26] <magespawn> so that means they are just getting caught more now
[08:27] <magespawn> psyatw: when you do services almost my whole day is spent sorting windows problems
[08:27] <magespawn> some quite often recuring
[08:27] <psyatw> magespawn, yeah, I would rather hate that kind of job
[08:28] <psyatw> I only got this job to make a start here in Poland and get back into studying, because I can actually save some money
[08:29] <magespawn> at the moment, i do what pays the bills, and allows me to have unrestricted internet access
[08:29] <psyatw> and then start learning more about a few things such as DNS and LDAP (AD) and Qt, Java, Oracle, .NET, Android and iOS programming
[08:29] <psyatw> sure, I can understand that
[08:30] <charl> windows, oracle, .NET, i see there is a lot coming "out of the closet" here today :)
[08:30] <magespawn> heh
[08:30] <psyatw> hahaha
[08:31] <psyatw> well, this has been my plan all along, this job is just the vehicle I can use to reach my destination
[08:32] <charl> if you know java, picking up android shouldn't be difficult, but for ios you have to deal with objective c
[08:32] <Kilos> thats the way psyatw one step at a time
[08:32] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:32] <charl> i think i just can't deal with the syntax of objective c, it looks terrible
[08:32] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[08:32] <psyatw> yes, I already know Java, but I need to learn more about server side programming
[08:32] <charl> how's it going
[08:33] <charl> server side as in web applications?
[08:33] <psyatw> Kilos, yeah, I learned that I can´t be a revolutionary all the time
[08:33] <Kilos> hehe
[08:33] <psyatw> that among others, yes
[08:33] <psyatw> but there is a lot more
[08:34] <charl> java servlets and containers like tomcat are fairly easy to get started with
[08:34] <charl> but you get a LOT of web frameworks now, spring probably being the best known
[08:35] <charl> i was looking with one of my colleagues the other day at a job site, we compared spring alone almost got as many hits as php
[08:35] <charl> sorry that last part of the sentence was bad :)
[08:35] <psyatw> yeah, I got that at job vacancies too, so I figured I need to learn more about those kinds of technologies
[08:35] <psyatw> hahaha
[08:35] <psyatw> don´t worry :)
[08:36] <charl> you know what i mean ;)
[08:36] <psyatw> haha, yeah 
[08:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[08:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was never in a closet :)
[08:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm a sysadmin
[08:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have linux, i'll sysadmin it, if you have windows, i'll sysadmin it, freebsd? bring it
[08:57] <Kilos> good man
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> if it has das blinkenlights, i'm there
[08:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> as long as the paycheck is still making a regular appearance :)
[08:58] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <Kilos> hi openfish 
[08:59] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[08:59] <Kilos> this is our ubuntu/linux help channel. do you need help?
[09:01] <Kilos> magespawn, did goosie show last night?
[09:02] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, have you a link for me that says what a sysadmin does?
[09:03] <Kilos> hi Julius129 
[09:03] <Julius129> morning
[09:03] <Kilos> wb
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_administrator
[09:03] <Kilos> ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[09:07] <magespawn> Kilos: i did not come online last at all, so no idea
[09:07] <Kilos> ty magespawn 
[09:07] <magespawn> i have got to read that ThatGraemeGuy
[09:07] <Kilos> i wonder how his packing went, they are moving today , poor man, now the big work starts
[09:08]  * ThatGraemeGuy had no idea the job of sysadmin was such a mystery :)
[09:08] <Kilos> lotsa involved learning hey ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:08] <Kilos> basically it involves everything to keep your network operational
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty much
[09:09] <magespawn> sysadmin is the gatekeeper on that particular system
[09:09] <Kilos> so im the sysadmin here
[09:09] <Kilos> hehe
[09:09] <magespawn> the head dog
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> i look after the ubuntu stuff (95%) and the windows stuff (5%)
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> desktop stuff not so much
[09:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> and network-related stuff is another guy
[09:10] <Kilos> what ubuntu stuff is in a company that uses sucks
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> for some reason i've never really gotten much exposure in network stuff
[09:10] <Kilos> hi simeon 
[09:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos, eh?
[09:10] <magespawn> you can be the ceo/chairman/owner of a company, and if your sysadmin does not like you, you are in trouble
[09:10] <Kilos> networking can be fun
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh and vmware stuff i do as well
[09:11] <Julius129> ceo must select the sysadmin
[09:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its so well behaved i forget about it sometimes
[09:12] <magespawn> if you need to fire the sysadmin do so very carefully
[09:12] <Kilos> magespawn, 40
[09:12] <Kilos> yoohoo
[09:12] <magespawn> indeed Kilos, cool ne?
[09:12] <Kilos> yeah
[09:13] <Kilos> middle of the day too
[09:13] <Kilos> all we need is a flame war to get over 50
[09:13] <magespawn> well lets see then
[09:13] <magespawn> how is this? 
[09:14] <magespawn> ubuntu/gnulinux is the second best os
[09:14] <Kilos> thats easy man
[09:14] <Kilos> the first has still to be found
[09:15] <Kilos> i wonder wassup Banlam and bakuman they havent said anything for months
[09:16] <magespawn> maybe then "windows is the best os"
[09:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> Windows ME 4eva what whaaat?! :P
[09:17] <Julius129> no os can be the best for all categories
[09:17] <magespawn>  Some learning institutions are reluctant to, what is in effect, teach hacking to undergraduate level students
[09:17] <magespawn> from that wikipeadia on sysadmins
[09:17] <Julius129> best server os is freebsd, best os for newbies is ubuntu :)
[09:17] <Kilos> hehe im a born noob
[09:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's no "best" anything
[09:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> freebsd isn't going to be any good if you need to run exchange server :P
[09:18] <Julius129> the best is limited to the person using that word
[09:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> business needs are more important than personal preferences in the real world
[09:18] <Kilos> Symmetria, whats the best server os atm
[09:19] <Julius129> yeah, right now im making my income from .net development on windows
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's no such thing as a best OS Kilos 
[09:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's only the OS most suited to a particular purpose
[09:19] <Kilos> he says some work better depending on circumstance
[09:19] <Kilos> s
[09:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's my point, there are a lot of variables, you can't just say "X is the best"
[09:20] <Julius129> i run freebsd servers with windows virtual machines inside
[09:20] <Kilos> but he installed ubuntu server coupla days ago on one machine
[09:21] <Julius129> i want to brag about my uptime
[09:21] <Julius129> :)
[09:21] <Kilos> Julius129, are you gonna make this channel one of you permanent daily visit channels
[09:22] <Kilos> wb Georgl 
[09:23] <Kilos> and morning to you
[09:23] <Georgl> mornig Kilos
[09:23] <Georgl> freenode is a bit iffy of late i see
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Julius129, brag about uptime, i'll brag about how my systems are more up-to-date with patches :P
[09:23] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: ineed
[09:23] <magespawn> indeed
[09:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> server uptime is irrelevant, service uptime is important
[09:24] <charl> "i have two years uptime" -> "so you're a terrible sysadmin" :)
[09:24] <charl> that's basically what you are saying
[09:24] <charl> translated from noobspeak ;)
[09:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[09:25] <Kilos> yeah lotsa connection dropping lately
[09:27] <Kilos> aw the fish oke didnt even greet
[09:29] <openfish> hey
[09:29] <Kilos> wb openfish 
[09:30] <openfish> thanks kilos - newbie - old 1996 CNE..after many years in management, back to playing
[09:31] <Julius129> hehe well i dont run any services on the machine itself
[09:31] <Julius129> i just forgot about it because it works sooo well
[09:31] <Julius129> 11:35AM  up 932 days, 22:11, 1 user, load averages: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
[09:32] <charl> ouch... how old is that linux kernel and how many holes does it have :(
[09:33] <Julius129> FreeBSD dms 8.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 21 15:48:17 UTC 2009 
[09:34] <Julius129> but yes, i dont run any services on it, just using it as platform to run headless windows servers
[09:34] <Julius129> if it was exposed, it would have been hacked many times probably
[09:37] <Kilos> magespawn, maybe some of these clever peeps should lurk on my channel too
[09:39] <Julius129> oh and Kilos, yes i will try my best to hang around here
[09:39] <Kilos> ty Julius129 
[09:40] <Julius129> im hanging around in the bitcoin-dev channel (yes i know im a loser)
[09:40] <Julius129> so i thought why not check out the za guys too
[09:41] <Kilos> it must be an auto join channel
[09:41] <Kilos> not a check them out channel
[09:45] <Julius129> well i checked this channel out yesterday, and today im back :)
[09:46] <Kilos> good
[09:46] <Kilos> friendliest most helpful channel of them all
[09:47] <Julius129> just makes sense to join a channel with your fellow south africans
[09:47] <charl> Julius129: as long as your surname is not malema you are welcome here any time :)
[09:47] <Kilos> hahaha
[09:48] <charl> and nothing wrong with bitcoin either
[09:49] <Julius129> im not mr malema, but i wish he would change his name to something else, because my name has been in the family before malema's father was conceived 
[09:49] <Kilos> openfish, if you need help just state what you need and someone will help you
[09:49] <Julius129> charl, cool so you also like bitcoin?
[09:50] <charl> just add caesar to it and it's all good :)
[09:50] <charl> nah i'm not really big into it but i like to watch it from the sideline
[09:50] <charl> it's an interesting concept and it isn't any more flawed than any other currency the world has to offer
[09:51] <Julius129> i hate it and then i love it too
[09:51] <Julius129> but im doing development work on it
[09:51] <Julius129> well for my own experiments
[09:51] <charl> sounds interesting
[09:51] <Julius129> but i learnt alot from the technology
[09:52] <Julius129> whoever Satoshi Nakamoto is, he made a big impact on this planet he will live forever
[09:53] <Julius129> if bitcoin doesnt succeed, something will be inspired by it to succeed
[09:54] <Kilos> qagood girl
[09:54] <Kilos> ai!
[09:57] <magespawn> those star schools pc they want windows on are Intel Pentium 4 3 Ghz with 512 mb and 80 gig hard drive, currently running Ubuntu 12.04
[09:57] <charl> isn't that quite old? which version of windows do they want
[09:58] <magespawn> any
[09:58] <magespawn> the machine originally had winxp professional
[09:58] <Kilos> same as i got here magespawn 
[09:59] <Kilos> they want 7 on them?
[09:59] <magespawn> that is about the only legal option outside of open source
[10:00] <Kilos> might need more ram and good graphics cards
[10:00] <charl> windows xp is reaching end of extended support April 8, 2014 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle
[10:00] <charl> it's doubtful that a pc of that calibre can run any modern version of windows
[10:01] <Kilos> tell them to buy the 7 ultimate package for businesses or schools so one dvd can do them all
[10:01] <charl> i think running windows 7 would be a far cry, running windows 8 would be terrible
[10:02] <Kilos> xp was good for min ram pcs
[10:02] <charl> yeah well xp is 12 years old so no surprise :)
[10:04] <Julius129> why do they want windows back?
[10:11] <Kilos> schools are a prob to convert to ubuntu
[10:11] <Kilos> teachers stuff in win mode for starters
[10:11] <Kilos> inetpro, can tell you more about that
[10:23] <magespawn> the stated reason in this case is "ubuntu is too difficult to learn" or "teachers do not want to learn to use ubuntu"
[10:24] <Kilos> offer to give classes magespawn 
[10:25] <Kilos> i found ubuntu much easier to learn than i did with windows
[10:25] <magespawn> me trying to teach teachers who do not want to learn == disaster
[10:25] <Kilos> or get some of the kids to see your ubuntu working and get them to nag the teachers
[10:26] <Kilos> no man now is the best time because they cant send you to the office for slacking
[10:26] <Kilos> you can rev them
[10:26] <Kilos> revenge on the teachers
[10:27] <Kilos> there is actually min to learn on ubuntu. check how quick tara picked it up
[10:28] <Kilos> and you can tell them there is always help here
[10:28] <Kilos> but another 1g or 512m ram would help 
[10:29] <Kilos> im using 1.5g on similar pc
[10:39] <Julius129> teachers are some of the most stupid people i know
[10:39] <Kilos> hahaha
[10:40] <Julius129> need to find a way to reach the kids out of the school environment
[10:46] <magespawn> not all teachers, just like not all people, but their opening statement does colour my opinion in this case
[10:57] <charl> teachers do not want to learn
[10:57] <charl> i don't even need to read further to see the problem here
[10:57] <charl> and the former assumption is also stupid but not even coming to that
[10:57] <charl> i still have somebody need to demonstrate how learning ubuntu is any more difficult than learning osx or windows
[10:59] <Kilos> understanding the dash function seeks to be their first prob
[10:59] <Kilos> from there even unity is good
[11:00] <charl> sorry i'm not doing well in the sentence building department today
[11:00] <psyatw> I think it all depends on the applications
[11:01] <psyatw> and maybe there is still too much of a reason to use the command line, maybe every need to use it must be eliminated
[11:01] <charl> the command line for me is the best part of linux
[11:01] <psyatw> but once set up it works better than windows
[11:01] <charl> but i'm not the "typical" user either :P
[11:02] <psyatw> that´s just what I wanted to say :P
[11:02] <charl> but i think for most general purposes you can do everything with the gui these days
[11:02] <psyatw> indeed
[11:02] <charl> you have to want to do very specific stuff to need to go to the command line
[11:02] <psyatw> but I believe the cli shouldn´t be needed for anything pertaining to regular users
[11:02] <charl> no that's probably true
[11:03] <charl> but i think we have come to that level already, or not?
[11:03] <Kilos> also the want to learn ubuntu is whats lacking in teachers
[11:03] <charl> Kilos: that's exactly it
[11:03] <Kilos> they dont want to learn new stuff even if its better
[11:04] <charl> it's disturbing that people who need to teach others don't want to learn themselves
[11:04] <charl> how can they adequately teach others then
[11:04] <Kilos> but if they were offered an increase for learning ubuntu they would all jump
[11:04] <charl> yeah i'm sure :)
[11:04] <charl> although, from what i have heard, the salaries for teachers in s.africa are terrible
[11:05] <Kilos> they teach what they know and forget that everything is progressing
[11:05] <Kilos> teachers have always been paid poorly
[11:05] <charl> somebody i know immigrated to england because the salaries in south africa for teachers are appalling
[11:05] <Kilos> world wide i think
[11:06] <charl> not everywhere, definitely not in finland
[11:06] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Finland
[11:06] <Kilos> do they compare with other qualified salaries there
[11:06] <psyatw> I think there are still some ways to go, but we have come a long way
[11:06] <charl> "Both primary and secondary teachers must have a Master's degree to qualify."
[11:08] <charl> then look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Finland
[11:08] <psyatw> wow, they must have master´s degrees to teach pupils at primary schools too?
[11:08] <charl> "Finland has a highly industrialised, mixed economy with a per capita output equal to that of other western economies such as France, Germany, Sweden or the United Kingdom."
[11:08] <charl> "The largest industries[11] are electronics (21.6 percent), machinery, vehicles and other engineered metal products (21.1 percent), forest industry (13.1 percent), and chemicals (10.9 percent)."
[11:11]  * psyatw wanted to go to Norway last year but has made a stop in Poland for now
[11:13] <charl> norway sounds like a nice country but from what i've heard the cost of living is really high
[11:13] <psyatw> yes, that´s what scared me away from going there for now
[11:13] <psyatw> I already got scared in Denmark, so Norway would be horrifying
[11:14] <psyatw> I want to earn money there and spend it in Poland :P
[11:15] <charl> norway is not an eu-country, i'm not sure what the deal is with immigration, maybe you need some type of visa?
[11:16] <psyatw> yeah, it may be in Schengen, but staying there for a longer period of time probably requires a visa
[11:17] <charl> if i had to go to scandinavia i would go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espoo
[11:29] <Kilos> Julius129, have you joined our mailing list? and do you tweet
[11:47] <charl> ThatGraemeGuy: you also use vmware right? have you ever tried WSX?
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> never heard of it :-o
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh it seems to be a feature of workstation
[11:49] <charl> yes, very impressive
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i only deal with vSphere (vCenter+ESXi)
[11:49] <charl> oh i see
[12:04] <magespawn> brb
[12:14] <charl> have a good weekend all!
[12:17] <wizzy> Finland's economy used to be Nokia and paper - both are going the way of the dodo
[12:28] <Symmetria> http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/329098_10151564498765528_1108585056_o.jpg
[12:28] <Symmetria> yay, new bag to carry all my camera lenses on flights
[12:29] <tonberry352_> pelican?
[12:30] <Symmetria> vanguard
[12:30] <Symmetria> heh strongest most sturdy well padded lockable case I could find
[12:30] <tonberry352_> ah
[12:30] <Symmetria> heh and considering the value of everything in it lol, worth the money to protect it
[13:05] <Julius129> Kilos, not yet, and i dont use twitter hey
[13:06] <Kilos> Julius129, here is our list link http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[13:07] <Kilos> np we just have a tweet place for posts about whats going on here
[13:07] <Kerbero> nice ip you have there Symmetria 
[13:07] <Kilos> lo Kerbero 
[13:07] <Kerbero> hi Kilos 
[13:08] <Symmetria> lol kerbero
[13:08] <Julius129> cheers guys, im goin home :)
[13:09] <Kilos> go safe Julius129 
[13:09] <Kilos> we here weekends too
[13:55] <Symmetria> omfg wait till you guys see this, its so hardcore
[13:56] <Symmetria> http://www.flickr.com/photos/95680965@N04/8747827960/in/set-72157633501810675/
[13:56] <Symmetria> !
[14:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's staring into my soul :-o
[14:02] <sakhi> Where was it?
[14:03] <Symmetria> sakhi hehe I took that in my kitchen
[14:03] <Symmetria> after I killed it with some bug spray ;p
[14:04] <sakhi> lol thought as much there is no way you would take a pic of it alive.
[14:10] <Kilos> no early break for the weekend magespawn ?
[14:11] <magespawn> not today no
[14:15] <Kilos> aw
[14:18] <Kilos> maybe late night tonight
[14:18] <Kilos> 130m upgrades
[14:18] <Kilos> sigh
[14:19] <Kilos> 12.04 is realyy good in the 2 flavours i use
[14:19] <Kilos> really as well
[14:55] <magespawn> just done an owncloud install here in the shop
[14:56] <magespawn> http://owncloud.org/
[15:23] <jmagunduni> guys i have a problem "online accounts"  feature on system settings keeps on breaking.. anyone who knows how to solve this:-(
[15:23] <jmagunduni> please help me!
[15:24] <Kilos> what is the feature jmagunduni 
[15:25] <Kilos> is that chat accounts and so on
[15:25] <Kilos> magespawn, ideas?
[15:25] <jmagunduni> yeah
[15:25] <Kilos> what are you using it for?
[15:25] <Kilos> i use clients for mine
[15:26] <Kilos> xchat for irc and pidgin for msn mxit etc
[15:27] <Kilos> wb Vince-0 
[15:27] <Vince-0> surpdurp
[15:27] <jmagunduni> i installed" Friends app" soon to substitute gwibber.. i wanted to add my twitter and facebook accounts.
[15:27] <Kilos> jmagunduni, explain what is breaking
[15:28] <Kilos> ah gwibber
[15:28] <Kilos> i use twitter on pidgin
[15:28] <Kilos> have you tried pidgin
[15:29] <jmagunduni> no i haven't.,
[15:29] <Kilos> jmagunduni, have you updated/upgraded?
[15:30] <Kilos> do you know how to use the command line interface
[15:30] <jmagunduni> fresh install
[15:30] <jmagunduni> yes i know
[15:30] <Kilos> ok press ctrl+alt+t
[15:30] <Kilos> it will open a terminal
[15:30] <jmagunduni> ok
[15:31] <Kilos> type in there or copy paste from here
[15:31] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[15:31] <jmagunduni> ok 
[15:32] <Kilos> what is it doing
[15:32] <Kilos> should be checking
[15:32] <jmagunduni> i've entered the password
[15:33] <jmagunduni> i think its updating ..
[15:33] <Kilos> yeah that checks what is available and what you have in  your archives
[15:34] <jmagunduni> oh ok. will this solve my problem ..
[15:34] <Kilos> tell me when its finished
[15:34] <jmagunduni> ok
[15:34] <Kilos> most likely
[15:34] <Kilos> after the next step that is
[15:35] <jmagunduni> done!
[15:36] <jmagunduni> what should i do next?
[15:36] <Kilos> sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:37] <jmagunduni> ok
[15:37] <Kilos> it should tell you how much upgrading there is to do
[15:37] <Kilos> and what packages
[15:38] <Kilos> gwibber is normally one of them
[15:38] <Kilos> where did you find friends app?
[15:39] <jmagunduni> OMG!Ubuntu website
[15:39] <Kilos> if possible always use what is in the repos
[15:39] <Kilos> i dont know friends app at all
[15:41] <Kilos> soon to be  replaced apps i would keep till they are officially replaced and become part of your available system apps
[15:42] <Kilos> so tell me whats happening man
[15:43] <jmagunduni> busy downloading
[15:43] <jmagunduni> the packages..
[15:43] <Kilos> how many meg did it say
[15:43] <jmagunduni> 107mb
[15:43] <Kilos> when we are done i will tell you how to do this thew gui way
[15:44] <Kilos> the
[15:44] <jmagunduni> ok thanks
[15:44] <Kilos> np
[15:44] <Kilos> but it should have given you a popup saying there were upgrades
[15:45] <jmagunduni> it did.. but kept on ignoring 
[15:46] <Kilos> didnt you see an icon in your launcher on the left that was wiggling around?
[15:46] <Kilos> ah
[15:46] <Kilos> one always needs that first upgrade to get everything running smoothly
[15:47] <jmagunduni> oh ok.
[15:48] <jmagunduni> Kilos: Done!
[15:48] <Kilos> ok now some more
[15:49] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install synaptic aptitude
[15:49] <Kilos> just like that
[15:49] <jmagunduni> whew! 
[15:49] <Kilos> they arent big
[15:50] <Kilos> synaptic is a package manager where you can see all installed apps and choose what you want
[15:50] <jmagunduni> oh ok
[15:50] <Kilos> aptitude is a very efficient installing tool like apt-get but better
[15:51] <jmagunduni> cant i use the software center to do all this?
[15:51] <Kilos> i find that much slower and harder to get what i want
[15:52] <Kilos> synaptic is very cool
[15:52] <jmagunduni> Kilos: installed!
[15:52] <Kilos> ok do you know how to launch apps?
[15:53] <Kilos> do you know what dash is?
[15:53] <jmagunduni> Kilos: yeah!
[15:54] <Kilos> oh you get synaptic from there
[15:54] <Kilos> now just do\
[15:54] <Kilos> sudo aptitude reinstall "friends app"\
[15:54] <Kilos> no back slash
[15:55] <Kilos> i dunno what its actual name is
[15:55] <Kilos> dont use the "" things
[15:56] <Kilos> aptitude sorts out lots of little things for you
[15:57] <jmagunduni> dont worry ,i will get it from the OMG!Ubuntu site
[15:57] <Kilos> you have it already
[15:57] <Kilos> open synaptic\
[15:57] <Kilos> sorry about the back slashes
[15:57] <Kilos> finger to fat
[15:58] <Kilos> in the top right you will see a little search window
[15:58] <jmagunduni> ok no problem, wait a sec..  this looks familiar ... i think i used synaptic back in 9.10...
[15:58] <Kilos> type in there friends app
[15:59] <Kilos> ya its the same synaptic
[15:59] <Kilos> very user friendly package manager
[16:00] <jmagunduni> oh kilos its working , i think the upgrade sorted the Bug!
[16:00] <Kilos> great
[16:00] <Kilos> it wasnt a bug i think just some stuff that needed upgrading
[16:01] <Kilos> do you know about the 4 workspaces you have
[16:01] <jmagunduni> oh ok! wow friends app is cool!
[16:01] <jmagunduni> no i dont.
[16:01] <Kilos> bottom of your launcher
[16:01] <Kilos> 4 blocks in one icon
[16:02] <Kilos> you can choose another workspace there
[16:02] <Kilos> saves minimising everything all the time
[16:02] <jmagunduni> im using 13.04 ...  no workspaces :-(
[16:02] <Kilos> you can run different apps on each of them
[16:02] <Kilos> none?
[16:03] <Kilos> oh my
[16:03] <Kilos> magespawn, no 4 workspaces on 13.04
[16:03] <Kilos> ??
[16:04] <Kilos> whew i would be lost without my 10 workspaces
[16:04] <Kilos> Cantide, hi
[16:04] <Kilos> you on 13.04?
[16:04] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:04] <Cantide> no, i'm on 12.04
[16:05] <Cantide> 13.04 didn't like me :<
[16:05] <Kilos> if it aint got more than one workspace i dont like it much
[16:06] <Kilos> i wonder who here is using 13.03 unity
[16:06] <Kilos> anyway jmagunduni im glad you are sorted so long , i will look into the workspace thing
[16:07] <jmagunduni> Kilos: ok thanks , for helping me i really appreciate it! :)
[16:08] <Kilos> jmagunduni, look here http://askubuntu.com/questions/290115/how-do-i-open-specific-applications-on-specific-workspaces-in-lubuntu-13-04
[16:08] <Kilos> any time jmagunduni 
[16:08] <Kilos> oh sorry thats lubuntu
[16:08] <jmagunduni> oh ok
[16:09] <Kilos> maybe this one http://funjooke.com/enable-different-wallpapers-for-each-workspace-in-ubuntu-13-04/ubuntuguide.net*wp-content*uploads*2013*04*Different-wallpapers-each-workspaces-ubuntu-13.04.png/
[16:24] <Kilos> maaz tell jmagunduni on freenode look here for how to enable the extra workspaces http://is.gd/VezgMW
[16:24] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sure, I'll tell jmagunduni on freenode
[16:29] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:29] <magespawn> sorry had some late customers
[16:29] <Kilos> yessir
[16:29] <Kilos> np
[16:30] <Kilos> he got sorted with luck
[16:30] <magespawn> just wasted an hour of my life trying to get two lexmark printers working on win7
[16:30] <Kilos> eish
[16:42] <magespawn> how time now for sure
[16:42] <magespawn> later all
[16:42] <Kilos> later magespawn 
[16:43] <Kilos> jmagunduni, i found it
[16:43] <Kilos> say something and maaz will give you the message if he hasnt already
[16:43] <jmagunduni> thanks Kilos
[16:43] <Kilos> yw
[16:44] <Kilos> one block to untick that is all
[16:44] <Kilos> to tick not untick
[16:45] <Kilos> i wonder why they disabled that lekker function
[16:46] <jmagunduni> Kilos: :) wow its awesome... thanks 
[16:46] <Kilos> yw
[16:46] <Kilos> there are lotsa cool things in ubuntu
[16:47] <jmagunduni> Kilos: who is Maaz_ ?
[16:47] <Kilos> our bot
[16:47] <jmagunduni> Kilos: oh ok!:-D
[17:05] <Kilos> jmagunduni, you must spread the word about ubuntu to all you friends and contacts hey
[17:07] <jmagunduni> i will ...and I AM NOT GOING BACK TO WINDOWS E.V.E.R!:-D
[17:07] <Kilos> yay
[17:08] <Cantide> :D
[17:08] <Cantide> Ubuntu is just getting better and better
[17:09] <Cantide> i've been using it since 9.04
[17:09] <Cantide> and it has come a long way <3
[17:10] <jmagunduni> Cantide:  wow its just perfect ! for me  , i absolutely love it...
[17:10] <Cantide> me, too :)
[17:10] <Cantide> I remember dual booting at first because there were some things i was reliant on windows for
[17:10] <Cantide> but then i found that i hated going to windows
[17:10] <Kilos> and free
[17:11] <Cantide> and eventually i adapted to using Ubuntu for everything :)
[17:11] <Cantide> soon even gaming :)
[17:11] <Kilos> i think thats all thats not as good as win
[17:12] <Kilos> mind you 7 couldnt handle AOE3
[18:23] <Julius129> good morning ppl
[18:24] <Kilos> ohi Julius129 
[18:57] <Julius129> whats up
[18:59] <superfly> Cantide: I removed Windows when I hadn't logged into it in over 6 months... it was just taking up my hard drive space... that was in 2005.
[19:00] <Cantide> superfly, nice :)
[19:00] <Cantide> i will still unaware of Ubuntu at that time -.-v
[19:01] <superfly> Ubuntu only started in 2005. I was using SuSE at the time (now called openSUSE)
[19:01] <Kilos> Julius129, do you know the fly?
[19:02]  * superfly remembers his first foray into Linux, in 1999
[19:02] <Julius129> the fly?
[19:02] <superfly> now THAT was something else.
[19:02] <Kilos> ya superfly our python expert and general fix everything guy
[19:03] <Julius129> nope i dont know him
[19:03] <Kilos> superfly, say hi to Julius129 
[19:03] <superfly> hi Julius129
[19:03] <Julius129> i started with freebsd in 1998
[19:03]  * superfly feels like Kilos's dog now
[19:03] <Julius129> hi superfly nice to meet you
[19:03] <Kilos> aw superfly you sick again
[19:04] <superfly> Kilos: no, I did what you told me to, just like a good little dog
[19:04] <Kilos> cant go on holiday if you sick
[19:04] <superfly> woof woof
[19:04] <Kilos> lol what did i tell you superfly ?
 superfly, say hi to Julius129
[19:05] <Kilos> lol
[19:05] <Kilos> oh
[19:06] <Kilos> Julius129, superfly used to chat lots here and look after us all then he got into the family thing
[19:06] <Kilos> now he lurks most of the time
[19:06] <Kilos> but when everyone else dont win he still helps fix it
[19:08] <Julius129> cool
[19:09] <Julius129> i want to get ubuntu 
[19:09] <Kilos> you got uncapped?
[19:09] <Julius129> i see lots of guys using it for media centers and main OS
[19:09] <Julius129> yeah
[19:09] <Kilos> then its easy
[19:09] <Kilos> what flavour
[19:10] <Kilos> kubuntu and unity both rock here in 12.04
[19:10] <Julius129> here is my problem, i havent followed linux or ubuntu, but i know its friendly
[19:10] <Kilos> other guys use xubuntu
[19:10] <Julius129> unity is gnome?
[19:10] <Kilos> not same as it was
[19:10] <superfly> sortof
[19:10] <Julius129> kubuntu is kde right
[19:10] <superfly> yes
[19:11] <Kilos> gnome2 went up to 10.10 the the unity intreface came in
[19:11] <Kilos> then
[19:11] <Julius129> my favourite window system is Xfce
[19:11] <superfly> Julius129: then use Xubuntu
[19:12] <Julius129> cool
[19:12] <Julius129> so xubuntu includes a x window server
[19:12] <Julius129> and you download the WM seperately
[19:12] <Julius129> ?
[19:12] <superfly> Julius129: no, it's a distro with Xfce standard. You just install it and it comes with everything.
[19:13] <superfly> Julius129: Batteries included.
[19:13] <Kilos> http://ftp.dei.uc.pt/pub/linux/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[19:13] <Julius129> ive got a old celeron 1.8ghz 2gb ram laptop
[19:13] <superfly> "old"
[19:13] <Kilos> 12.04 is the last LTS release
[19:14] <superfly> Kilos: wag nou, oom
[19:14] <Kilos> ok
[19:14] <superfly> Julius129: what distro/OS are you most used to?
[19:14] <Julius129> freebsd
[19:14] <Julius129> but its no good for laptops
[19:14] <superfly> Julius129: ah, OK
[19:14] <Julius129> i want a easy to use laptop 
[19:15] <Julius129> with linux
[19:15] <superfly> Julius129: install Xubuntu 13.04
[19:15] <superfly> it's Xfce on Linux
[19:15] <Julius129> :)
[19:15] <Julius129> ok so now i need some advice, because the laptop's dvdrom is dead
[19:15] <superfly> USB stick
[19:15] <Julius129> stupid acer laptop
[19:15] <Kilos> usb?
[19:15] <Julius129> yeah
[19:16] <Julius129> so will the ISO boot fine from the usb stick?
[19:16] <superfly> Julius129: not 100% but there are ways and means, most just a Google away
[19:17] <Julius129> yeah i will find a way
[19:17] <Julius129> so i get 13.04 then
[19:17] <superfly> Maaz_: Google for burn an ISO to USB
[19:17] <Maaz_> superfly: "ISO to USB" http://www.isotousb.com/ :: "Burn iso to usb - Flash Media - Storage - Tom's Hardware" http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/263648-32-burn :: "How do I burn an ISO image to a USB flash drive? - Super User" http://superuser.com/questions/87124/how-do-i-burn-an-iso-image-to-a-usb-flash-drive :: "ISO to USB - CNET Download.com"
[19:17] <Maaz_> http://download.cnet.com/ISO-to-USB/3000-2094_4-75578611.html :: "Solved Burn image to USB drive - Windows 7…
[19:17] <superfly> er
[19:17] <superfly> Maaz_: Google for burn ubuntu ISO to USB
[19:17] <Maaz_> superfly: "Installation/FromUSBStick - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick :: "BurningIsoHowto - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto :: "How to create a bootable USB stick on Ubuntu | Ubuntu" http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu ::
[19:17] <Maaz_> "How to burn iso to usb device? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/59551/how-to-…
[19:18] <Julius129> cool
[19:19] <Julius129> to be honest i have the ubuntu tool on windows machine, i used it to put winxp on USB :)
[19:19] <Julius129> i just remembered now
[19:20] <superfly> now... to find a working mouse...
[19:21] <Kilos> you wanna copy paste
[19:21] <Kilos> hehe
[19:21] <superfly> I want to click.
[19:22] <Julius129> ok i added the xubuntu 13.04 torrent :)
[19:25] <Kilos> yay another one for ubuntu
[19:28] <Julius129> im going to turn the laptop into a TV machine
[19:28] <Julius129> or media center
[19:28] <Kilos> why
[19:29] <Cantide> oh, i installed 13.04 on a usb stick a week or two ago
[19:29] <Kilos> how you gonna come chat here then?
[19:29] <Cantide> i used VirtualBox
[19:30] <Julius129> its gathering dust here, and my TV is quite "stupid" with the blue ray player
[19:30] <Julius129> ive got a 3 laptops
[19:30] <Kilos> ah
[19:31] <Julius129> the pc im using now is windows 7
[19:31] <Kilos> shame
[19:31] <Kilos> sympathies
[19:32] <Julius129> yeah, but i dont have much of choice
[19:32] <Julius129> most of the software i have to use is only for windows
[19:32] <Kilos> run xubuntu alongside it
[19:32] <Kilos> ah ya thats necessary at times
[19:33] <Julius129> you know what really makes me angry about windows is when you boot up and it takes forever, and you netstat and see lots of stuff connecting everywhere on the internet
[19:33] <Kilos> if you install xubuntu alongside you get to choose at boot time which os you wanna use
[19:34] <Kilos> or better still make one lappy just ubuntu
[19:34] <Julius129> im going to ubuntu it after i get a new laptop from the company next week
[19:34] <Kilos> good
[19:34] <Kilos> how much do you know about ubuntu?
[19:35] <Julius129> i dont know the ubuntu specifics
[19:35] <Julius129> but i will survive
[19:35] <Kilos> if you are used to xfce you will be at home methinks
[19:35] <Kilos> well here is the help channel
[19:35] <Julius129> im used to freebsd ports tree to install new software
[19:35] <Kilos> and nuvolari_ uses xubuntu
[19:35] <Julius129> i think ubuntu would be easier
[19:36] <Kilos> unity wants a fast pc
[19:36] <Kilos> xubuntu is faster
[19:36] <Julius129> all i want is a browser and good text editor
[19:36] <Julius129> and a shell ofcoruse
[19:36] <Julius129> :)
[19:37] <Kilos> nano\
[19:37] <Kilos> you know nano
[19:37] <Julius129> nope?
[19:37] <Kilos> great editor
[19:38] <Kilos> ubuntu uses gedit but from terminal you can use nano as well
[19:38] <Kilos> kde uses kate
[19:38] <Julius129> yeah i like gedit, thats what i use now
[19:38] <Kilos> dunno what xubuntu uses
[19:39] <Julius129> il look around
[19:39] <Kilos> but nano works from any ubuntu i think
[19:39] <Kilos> i actually stopped using gedit in favour of nano
[19:40] <Julius129> so have they included gcc and g++ in this release
[19:40] <Julius129> its the machine ready to be used to build new software from source
[19:40] <Kilos> if not installed already they are in the repos
[19:41] <Julius129> ok cool
[19:41] <Julius129> cant wait to get it setup
[19:42] <Kilos> installs go quick
[19:43] <Kilos> maybe 20-25 mins
[19:43] <Kilos> then updating/upgrading takes some time
[19:46] <Kilos> superfly, you found a mouse yet?
[19:46] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[19:49] <superfly> Kilos: nope
[19:49] <Kilos> aw
[19:50] <superfly> Julius129: Ubuntu uses compiled packages, you typically don't need to compile anything.
[19:50] <superfly> Julius129: it's not FreeBSD
[19:51] <superfly> Julius129: you can use the Ubuntu Software Center if you want an App Store style interface to the repositories, or you can use apt-get and friends on the command line
[19:53] <Julius129> yeah that will be awsome
[19:53] <Julius129> not having to compile qt for 5 hours
[19:53] <Kilos> ubuntu is awesome
[19:53] <Kilos> everything works
[19:53] <Kilos> sometimes you have graphics card probs
[19:54] <Julius129> i dont play games or even have gfx cards
[19:54] <Julius129> so its fine :)
[19:54] <Kilos> or sound but they get sorted here 
[19:55] <Kilos> its just knowing what drivers to use but it should tell you you need additional drivers
[19:55] <Kilos> then it tells you whats available for install
[20:15] <Julius129> damnit adsl dropped
[20:15] <Symmetria> heh Im trying to screw around with lightroom and photoshop
[20:16] <Symmetria> to see if I can make my insect overlord photo look cool
[20:16] <Kilos> that sucks Julius129 
[20:16] <Kilos> i always wget big stuff
[20:17] <Kilos> then wget -c   just continues the download
[20:17] <Julius129> the ubuntu download is torrenting :)
[20:17] <Kilos> is it continuing
[20:18] <Julius129> my adsl line doesnt lose sync, just the pppoe times out 
[20:18] <Kilos> ah
[20:18] <Julius129> yeah, seems like everything is faster now
[20:18] <Julius129> i think they reboot the exchange 
[20:18] <Kilos> ah
[20:18] <Julius129> it was quite crap just before everything dropped
[20:19] <Kilos> overloaded
[20:19] <Julius129>  1     1 ms     1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.1.254
[20:19] <Julius129>  2   145 ms   129 ms    59 ms  224-56-1.dsl.subscriber.telkomsa.net [105.224.56
[20:19] <Julius129> with no downloads i got that just earlier tonight
[20:19] <Julius129> usually its 9ms to the first hop
[20:20] <Kilos> i dont understand that stuff
[20:20] <Kilos> im a mechanic
[20:20] <Julius129> what kind 
[20:20] <Kilos> diesel
[20:20] <Kilos> but dont work anymore
[20:20] <Kilos> semi disabled kinda
[20:21] <Julius129> eish
[20:21] <Julius129> i like to fix my one cars too
[20:21] <Julius129> own*
[20:21] <Kilos> na its ok now ive learned how to sit in front of a pc and use ubuntu
[20:21] <Kilos> hehe
[20:22] <Kilos> yeah i always did
[20:22] <Julius129> so did you work on trucks or generators?
[20:22] <Kilos> also im a bit older
[20:22] <Kilos> forklifts and tractors
[20:23] <Julius129> cool, i must admit its good fun to strip a real machine and fix it 
[20:23] <Julius129> and look around everywhere for spares :)
[20:23] <Kilos> and was atechnician in the post office 100 years ago
[20:24] <Kilos> lol
[20:24] <Kilos> and a farm manager for a few years
[20:24] <Kilos> been around the block a few times
[20:25] <Kilos> now im the ubuntu-za greeter bot
[20:25] <Julius129> lol
[20:25] <Kilos> hehe
[20:25] <Julius129> well i also do anything for money
[20:26] <Kilos> can only help real noobs
[20:26] <Kilos> otherwise tell them to wait till the brains arrive
[20:27] <Julius129> i fix power equipment, develop software, do mods in the field, i do everything
[20:27] <Kilos> great
[20:28] <Kilos> what download speeds are you getting
[20:28] <Julius129> most of the time im on the road somewhere fixing up stuff at power substations and cellular sites
[20:28] <Kilos> gonna take a while with the internet we got
[20:28] <Julius129> 79kb/s
[20:28] <Julius129> got 1mb uncapped from telkom
[20:28] <Kilos> eish
[20:29] <Kilos> so slow?
[20:29] <Kilos> gonna take hours
[20:29] <Symmetria> heh I couldnt live without bandwidth
[20:29] <Kilos> thats just better than edge
[20:30] <Symmetria> 79k/sec is a LOT better than edge
[20:30] <Kilos> Symmetria, have you got fibre to you?
[20:30] <Julius129> unfortunately my house is soo far away from the exchange, 1mb is the best i can get
[20:30] <Symmetria> kilos *shake* microwave link and dsl backup
[20:30] <Kilos> speed?
[20:30] <Julius129> and for R500 i can get my 120gb of data per month which is a bargain for me
[20:30] <Symmetria> on the microwave? 155
[20:31] <Kilos> ya so patience is worth it 
[20:31] <Julius129> is that he iburst metro link?
[20:31] <Julius129> the*
[20:31] <Symmetria> (as in 155mbit)
[20:31] <Symmetria> no :) Im not gonna comment on what exactly it is surfice to say its not commercially available
[20:33] <Symmetria> lol when ubuntu gets to release w
[20:34] <Symmetria> they can call it wasp
[20:34] <Symmetria> and use my pic as its logo
[20:34] <Kilos> lol
[20:34] <Julius129> nice
[20:34] <Symmetria> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/340559_10151564623960528_983312445_o.jpg 
[20:34] <Kilos> wiley wasp
[20:34] <Symmetria> ^^^ scare away all the chickz!
[20:35] <Julius129> its some good photography
[20:35] <Symmetria> hehe I think its more down to the equipment I have to take the photos with than any skill on my part
[20:36] <Symmetria> http://www.flickr.com/photos/95680965@N04/8747890632/in/photostream/ 
[20:36] <Symmetria> lol I like that one even more though
[20:37] <superfly> Julius129: I was going to suggest torrenting Ubuntu, but then I saw you're already doing that :-D
[20:38] <superfly> anyway, sleepy time for me
[20:38] <superfly> good night
[20:38] <superfly> slaap lekker, oom Kilos
[20:38] <Kilos> night superfly sleep tight
[20:38] <Kilos> im waiting for 11
[20:38] <Symmetria> sup superfly
[20:41] <Julius129> ubuntu torrent is quite healthy, most seeders are using uTorrent though 0_o
[20:48] <Kilos> when you have it installed check for utorrent in the software centre
[20:48] <Kilos> i think i saw it
[20:50] <Julius129> great
[20:50] <Julius129> what is the app used to play media on ubuntu, or is that mostly mplayer?
[20:50] <Kilos> i use vlc
[20:51] <Kilos> but there are default media players already
[20:52] <Julius129> i will go with vlc
[20:52] <Julius129> because i use it on windows
[20:52] <Kilos> i like vlc
[21:25] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight
[21:25] <Kilos> Julius129, will see you tomorrow
[21:25] <Kilos> good luck with the install