[01:53] <xubuntu555> can i move the menu bars to be at the top or bottom of xubuntu?
[01:54] <xubuntu555> screen?
[01:54] <th0r> xubuntu555, yes you can
[01:54] <xubuntu555> thanks th0r
[01:55] <th0r> xubuntu555, right click on the panel...choose Panel- Panel Preferences. Make sure 'Lock Panel' is not checked
[02:20] <xubuntu555> can you run steam in xubuntu 64 bit?
[02:21] <xubuntu555> (not that I can afford any of their games, or have a credit card)
[02:24] <seronis> where is the thunarx-python package?
[02:27] <[uzver]> in xfce git
[02:28] <seronis> ah so I dont have my sources list messed up its just not in the standard repos?
[02:28] <seronis> (i had done some manual edits when i installed xubuntu and was worried i might have messed something up)
[02:33] <xubuntu555> I run xubuntu on a laptop. Is it better that I still with a LTS 12.04 version rather than have to erase linux every time and install new ones?
[02:35] <xubuntu555> IE install 12.10 13.04 etc
[02:41] <xubuntu555> Is it safe to install xubuntu 13.04 - will i run out of downloads in a few months or something
[02:42] <xubuntu555> ?
[02:42] <xubuntu555> Is it safe to install xubuntu 13.04 - will i run out of downloads in a few months or something?
[02:42] <xubuntu555> how does non-LTS work?
[02:43] <[uzver]> 13.04 works like a rocket(:
[02:43] <xubuntu555> great! I sb installing the latest version then?
[02:44] <seronis> non LTS just has updates stop sooner than LTS versions
[02:44] <xubuntu555> updates as in for THAT VERSION only IE not allowing you to update over the internet to the next LTS
[02:44] <seronis> of course id try a liveUSB/liveCD first
[02:45] <seronis> you can always update to the next distro version
[02:45] <xubuntu555> okay, without losing my files...phew...that's a good thing to know. I was worried linux needed fresh clean installs all the time.
[02:52] <seronis> how do i make Thunars list view obey alphabetical order for filenames with numbers in them ?
[02:53] <seronis> its ignoring leading zeros on names, which is bad behaviour
[02:55] <seronis> example.. its ordering it so that a filename  00BX.dat is after file  0A00.dat
[02:56] <seronis> (its a problem because there are a few thousand files with significantly longer hash based names)
[03:03] <xubuntu555> what ''support'' do you get, with LTS?
[03:03] <xubuntu555> releases
[03:04] <pleia2> 3 years
[03:04] <pleia2> for xubuntu
[03:05] <xubuntu555> 3 years of updates, or three years with the same release of Help
[03:05] <pleia2> updates
[03:05] <pleia2> you aren't guaranteed any level of customer support, we're all volunteers :)
[03:05] <xubuntu555> ok so 12.04, 12.11, 13.04 etc
[03:06] <pleia2> 12.04 gets 3 years, 12.10 gets 18 months, 13.04 is on a new schedule of 9 months support (13.10 will be 9 months as well)
[03:06] <bazhang> !lts
[03:06] <xubuntu555> ok - thanks. I think I will go for 13.10
[03:06] <pleia2> 13.10 doesn't really exist yet :)
[03:07] <pleia2> 13.04 is the current release, 13.10 comes out in October, it's currently in very early stages of development
[03:07] <xubuntu555> no. but 13.04 ubuntu sb upgradeable to 13.10 xubuntu.
[03:07] <pleia2> yes, it will be
[03:07] <xubuntu555> thanks.
[05:15] <fallore> i'm using wine to install dota 2 through steam and i'm wondering if i should have separate wine prefixes for dota 2 and steam or just one?
[05:20] <aiena> does anyone know how to install digiKam 3.2.0 on xubuntu 12.04 LTS ?
[05:25] <Unit193> fallore: ...Why not just use the native Steam program?
[05:25] <Unit193> !steam | fallore
[05:25] <fallore> because i'm trying to play dota 2, which is not yet supported on their native client
[05:26] <fallore> i have since read that it's good to keep everything on separate prefixes so i went with that
[05:27] <Unit193> Does steam or Dota need to access files from the other application?  I'd just leave it same prefix, but that's me.  If one doesn't work, try the other.
[05:37] <aiena> Unit193: how does one remove a ppa from terminal ?
[05:38] <Unit193> !ppa-purge | You can use this handy tool.
[05:38] <aiena> thanks
[05:38] <Unit193> !info digikam
[05:39] <aiena> I will need to use ppa's for 12.04 LTS though
[05:41] <aiena> thanks Unit193
[06:12] <aiena> exit
[06:29] <Eremes> hello guys how do I check my home folder is encrypted or not ? I can't remember wether xubuntu 12.0 gives encryption option on install
[07:35] <Skaftafells> Hello to all of you, I tried to install xubuntu 12.04 lts on a asus win vista machine. while installation, the installation bugged, while vista had already be affected. so now i'm without any op system
[07:36] <Skaftafells> re-trying from the begin on the xubuntu installation, now he bugs even at a earlier point.
[07:36] <Skaftafells> any comment/help is welcome. Thanxx
[07:37] <TheSheep> Skaftafells: not much we can do with this kind of information
[07:37] <TheSheep> Skaftafells: but if you have any specific question, don't hesistate to ask
[10:02] <mogmog_> hi does anyone know why the second song in playlist in parole has no sound even though its played?
[11:52] <cangussu-br> Hi, everyone. There is a way to create web apps for xfce like unity web apps?
[12:02] <knome> cangussu-br, what is your real problem?
[12:05] <cangussu-br> Hi, knome. It's not a real problem. I only want to know if there is some feature in xfce to launch apps like gmail or youtube directly in my desktop, like unity web apps. I saw a linux distro named SalineOS that uses a midori browser plugin to make it.
[12:05] <knome> cangussu-br, no, there really isn't without hacks
[12:06] <cangussu-br> I saw an old implementation that uses mozilla prism project, but mozilla prism is not developed anymore
[12:07] <laite> cangussu-br: I have absolutely no idea how portable/transferrable it is, but PeppermintOS used to have something called "ice" (see http://peppermintos.com/about-peppermint/ )
[12:07] <laite> Peppermint is ubuntu-based, so it might work
[12:07] <cangussu-br> I will try it. Thanks, laite and knome, for your help. :-)
[12:07] <knome> no problem
[12:32] <seronis> in the software center I was looking to install the c++ Boost libs and I see a lot of individual packages for 1.53 (the current) but the info page on  libboost-all-dev mentions 1.49
[12:33] <seronis> is there any way to grab the entire set of 1.53 libs without having to do them individually ?
[12:33] <knome> seronis, i would imaging there's some metapackage that pulls them all in
[12:34] <knome> seronis, or if they are named wisely, you can do 'sudo apt-get install c-boost-lib-*'
[12:34] <knome> (or similar, i don't know about the package names)
[12:34] <seronis> the metapackage isnt version specific in its name, and in its INFO page it states out outdated version
[12:35] <seronis> will try a wildcard then.
[12:40] <seronis> cangussu-br, there are scripts for using gmail as your default mail client
[12:40] <seronis> im actually using one though i set it up two weeks ago
[12:43] <seronis> its a 2line *.sh file.  let me know if ya want me to put it in my dropbox
[12:52] <cangussu-br> seronis, let me try your script.
[12:56] <seronis> cangussu-br,  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13440285/open_mailto.sh
[12:57] <seronis> i have that set in 'preferred apps' as mail client
[12:57] <seronis> see if it serves your purpose well enough
[12:57] <cangussu-br> thanks, seronis.
[13:37] <Touhou11> Does anyone know if there are plans to change the default web browser in Xubuntu, like Ubuntu is proposing?
[13:37] <nyRednek> what is ubuntu proposing to change default browser to?
[13:38] <GridCube> nope
[13:38] <GridCube> nyRednek, chromium
[13:38] <nyRednek> GridCube: oh, that kinda makes sense
[13:38] <Touhou11> Why does changing to Chromium make sense?
[13:38] <GridCube> Touhou11, http://xubuntu.org/news/looking-towards-xubuntu-13-10/
[13:38] <brainwash> and lubuntu might change back to firefox
[13:39] <nyRednek> GridCube: but that doesn't really address adobe's abandonment of flash
[13:39] <GridCube> that aint our problem
[13:39] <nyRednek> brainwash: pardon my ignorance, but what is lubuntu's default now?
[13:40] <brainwash> nyRednek: it's chromium
[13:40] <Touhou11> It would make sense for Lubuntu to use Firefox, it uses considerably less memory
[13:41] <GridCube> lubuntu's rationale its that chromium its far too heavy for theyr desktop, mainbuntu's https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/foundations-1305-chromium-default-browser
[13:44] <nyRednek> i would personally like to see midori go places as a browser
[13:45] <GridCube> it needs a whole lot of work tho
[13:45] <Touhou11> Midori barely has the development effort to fix bugs, let alone anything else
[13:45] <nyRednek> GridCube: that it does
[13:46] <nyRednek> Touhou11: i've used it a few times, when it works, it's great, speedy, etc
[13:47] <nyRednek> but when it misinterprets css, it's neither great nor speedy
[13:47] <GridCube> i couldnt use it for work because it doesnt understand the difference between proxies and localhosts
[13:48] <nyRednek> GridCube: didn't realize that
[13:48] <GridCube> welp
[14:28] <tabsterleir> Hey all, i'm a little new to Xubuntu. Where does touchpad indicator install to? It doesn't seem to be in /usr/bin
[14:34] <xubuntu527> When the time comes will Xubuntu be going with Wayland or Mir?
[14:37] <Sekoia> Mir, I guess
[14:37] <Sekoia> ubuntu doesnt seem to be interested in wayland
[14:38] <xubuntu527> ughhhhhhhh
[14:39] <Touhou11> Is XFCE going to support Mir, or just through X compatibility? KDE devs have basically told Canonical to piss off with Mir, after Shuttleworth assumed it would be supported
[16:02] <Dry_Lips> Hi... I'm installing Xubuntu alonside windows on my sisters laptop. When "allocating space by dragging the divider" which part is the window partition and which will belong to xubuntu,... They aren't labeled in any way.
[16:03] <elfy> same as ubuntu Dry_Lips
[16:04] <holstein> Dry_Lips: i usually do it manually with gparted before hand, after backing up the data
[16:04] <Dry_Lips> Yeah, but it's such a long time since I dual booted myself, elfy
[16:05] <elfy> Dry_Lips: if you go to settings - gparted is there
[16:05] <holstein> Dry_Lips: i think elfy means that the "ubuntu" label will apply to xubuntu.. but im not sure you get any label there
[16:05] <elfy> holstein: more I meant it's the same
[16:06] <holstein> sure.. but the sections that are there are not labeled
[16:06] <elfy> I know - sorry - we're all talking at cross purposes here :)
[16:06] <holstein> i remember last time i just split it down the middle.. but before that, i went in and did it manually so i would be sure to get it "right"
[16:06] <Dry_Lips> elfy, I was going to save myself some time by using the default option...
[16:07] <elfy> Dry_Lips: oh right - 2 secs
[16:07] <Dry_Lips> But apparently gparted is the idiot-proof option here...
[16:07] <elfy> well I'd not say that - I'm sure you've seen the same threads I have ;)
[16:07] <Dry_Lips> hehe, yeah
[16:08] <elfy> http://assets.ubuntu.com/sites/ubuntu/latest/u/img/download/desktop-1204-install-5.jpg
[16:08] <holstein> before resizing any partitions, i would have good backups and plan for failure
[16:08] <elfy> would seem to say that win is on the left - which would make sense - as you'd shrink it by moving the slider to the left
[16:08] <Dry_Lips> ah, right...
[16:08] <Dry_Lips> It's ridiculous that they aren't labelled
[16:09] <Dry_Lips> Is there a bug report for that?
[16:09] <holstein> i think one the left is a relatively safe assumption.. but an assumption just the same
[16:09] <holstein> Dry_Lips: its not a bug
[16:09] <holstein> but, you can file it as a wish list bug, im sure
[16:09] <Dry_Lips> Well, even if it's not a "bug" you could file a bug report for it, right?
[16:09] <Dry_Lips> It's unintuitive that they aren't labelled
[16:10] <holstein> Dry_Lips: you can file a bug report for what you like.. but if the goal is getting it "fixed".. its handy to think of it as not a bug.. since its not
[16:10] <elfy> I'd tend to agree with you Dry_Lips though
[16:10] <elfy> and would happily confirm it
[16:11] <elfy> I'd assume it's part of ubiquity
[16:11] <Dry_Lips> This is the 12.04 version... I'm not sure what the situation is for 12.10 and 13.04
[16:11] <xubuntu388> Hello!
[16:13] <xubuntu388> I'm having a bit of trouble logging loading the desktop environment (xubuntu 13.04) after installing and then uninstalling compiz.
[16:13] <GridCube> xubuntu388, what kind of trouble?
[16:13] <holstein> xubuntu388: did yuo follow a guide? can you share *exactly* what you did?
[16:13] <xubuntu388> I can't remember exactly what I did. I hate bing this vague.
[16:14] <xubuntu388> When I rebooted I had the Xubuntu splash screen and it never loaded.
[16:14] <elfy> Dry_Lips: I was going to look - but I've not got around to loading vbox in saucy yet
[16:14] <holstein> xubuntu388: i was just thinking that if you set up something to automatically start/use compiz, then you might have that setting in the way trying to start something that isnt there
[16:15] <xubuntu388> I logged into tty1 and tried startxfce4, and it doesn't load.
[16:15] <holstein> xubuntu388: can you get to tty? can you use/boot the guest session? or another user?
[16:16] <xubuntu388> Holstein, I can log into my account and the root account via tty
[16:17] <xubuntu388> I've been trying to retrace my stepps, but I'm kinda lost at this point.
[16:17] <Dry_Lips> elfy, cool!
[16:19] <holstein> xubuntu388: did you do anything to auto load compiz?
[16:19] <xubuntu388> I'm not sure.
[16:19] <xubuntu388> How would I check? I do know my way around the command line.
[16:20] <xubuntu388> Is that in a conf file?
[16:20] <holstein> xubuntu388: i would check http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-set-up-compiz-in-xubuntu-1210-or.html
[16:20] <holstein> what i am thinking is something like step5
[16:21] <holstein> *If later on you want to go back to using xfwm4 instead of compiz...
[16:21] <xubuntu388> Holstein, thanks for your help! That was the exact guide I was using.
[16:21] <holstein> xubuntu388: what would i do? install compiz again, and get the system booting. then *switch* away from compiz before removing it
[16:22] <xubuntu388> This will help retrace my steps.
[16:24] <xubuntu388> Should startxfce4 normally work if the desktop doesn't load?
[16:24] <xubuntu388> Just for future refer
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu388: depends on what you have broken, and how
[16:24] <xubuntu388> lol
[16:24] <xubuntu388> ok
[16:24] <holstein> xubuntu388: if you have that session broken, then it'll be broken
[16:25] <xubuntu388> But if everything was working "normally"
[16:26] <holstein> startx is where i usually start
[16:27] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1895108 seems relevant
[16:27] <xubuntu388> That didn't work, that's why I tried startxfce4
[16:28] <elfy> Dry_Lips: do you want me to check?
[16:28] <holstein> xubuntu388: i would install compiz and get the desktop working again.. then, you will have a question like "how do i swtich my window manager?" instead of "my system doesnt work"
[16:28] <xubuntu388> holstein, thanks
[16:28] <xubuntu388> I'll give it a try.
[16:29] <xubuntu388> I agree the best thing is to get back to a working state
[16:29] <holstein> xubuntu388: also, i might make a new user, and try "startx" or whatever.. to ensure its not a user config issue hanging up the session
[16:30] <Dry_Lips> elfy, well, I'm installing 12.04 as we speak... But you could do it to satisfy our curiosities if you want to... :)
[16:30] <xubuntu388> Cool cool! I'll stay signed into this channel for now.
[16:30] <elfy> Dry_Lips: I'll satisfy it another day then and let you know :) I'd have to install something twice to see atm
[16:30] <Dry_Lips> ok, no problem, elfy!
[16:31] <xubuntu388> But I'll try not to bother you until I have a more specific question.
[16:31] <xubuntu388> Thanks again!
[16:31] <holstein> xubuntu388: no bother.. thats what the channel is for. enjoy and good luck!
[16:32] <Dry_Lips> roughly how long does it take to resize a partition? The original was 250 gb, of which 120 is used for the windows partition, and 130 for the xubuntu one?
[16:33] <elfy> can take a good while - obviously don't assume it's hung
[16:34] <elfy> did you need that much space for Xubuntu - are you using data storage in xubuntu for only xubuntu?
[16:34] <Dry_Lips> The idea was to create a partition for xubuntu that was as big as possible...
[16:35] <elfy> ok
[16:36] <CaTsy> hi guys
[16:40] <CaTsy> Guys, I tried to add bookmarks to the sidepanel in thunar 1.6.2 by drag and drop, but it doesn't stick
[16:41] <CaTsy> How do I add bookmarks to the sidepanel besides drag and drop?
[16:42] <holstein> CaTsy: can you use the menu?
[16:43] <holstein> CaTsy: how is it failing? i cant seem to make it *not* drag and drop...
[16:44] <CaTsy> holstein: I can drag it but it just flops back
[16:45] <CaTsy> whithout adding a bookmark
[16:45] <CaTsy> holstein: yes I can use the menu, but there is no 'bookmark' section
[16:46] <holstein> CaTsy: i might just load up a different user and test... i'll look for how to add one manually
[16:47] <holstein> CaTsy: what operating system are you using?
[16:47] <CaTsy> holstein: xubuntu 13.04
[16:48] <holstein> CaTsy: how is it as a different user?
[16:48] <xubuntu388> holstein, I followed the guide again. I got to step 4 and I get an error.
[16:48] <xubuntu388> compiz: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libglibmm-2.4.so.1: undefined symbol: g_variant_type_copy
[16:48] <xubuntu388> Step 4 was compiz --replace
[16:49] <holstein> xubuntu388: are you in the GUI?
[16:49] <xubuntu388> Nope, still terminal
[16:50] <holstein> xubuntu388: using the "compiz --replace" command is to replace your current window manager with compiz.. you have no current window manager, since you are in the terminal
[16:50] <CaTsy> holstein: wait one, i 'll log into a guest account and try it out and then be back
[16:51] <holstein> what would i do? add back what you removed from compiz, and boot the system normally
[16:52] <xubuntu388> Ok. I just tried sudo startx and sudo startxfce4. Nether of these "work".
[16:52] <holstein> xubuntu388: you dont need to start x as root
[16:53] <xubuntu388> ok
[16:53] <holstein> xubuntu388: you need to relax, and listen.. add back what you removed.. you set up your system to use copmiz, then you removed it
[16:53] <holstein> xubuntu388: add back the compiz packages you removed, and reboot
[16:55] <holstein> also, at this point, you might consider just backing up your home directory and reinstalling.. a reinsatllation usually takes less that 15 minutes
[16:56] <holstein> udo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager is where i would start
[16:56] <CaTsy> re
[16:58] <CaTsy> holstein: fixed, it just didn't work 'cause I removed the 'Desktop' & 'Browser Network' shortcuts.
[16:58] <CaTsy> thx
[16:58] <xubuntu388> holstein, I believe I have done all of these steps. I restarted once again. The system is still booting to the terminal.
[16:58] <holstein> xubuntu388: and startx? what errors?
[16:59] <xubuntu388> Well now the screen in blank
[16:59] <xubuntu388> There was some error, but it's not showing now.
[16:59] <holstein> xubuntu388: check in tty
[17:00] <xubuntu388> Ok. No protocol specified
[17:00] <holstein> xubuntu388: and you have no greeter?
[17:01] <holstein> !compiz
[17:02] <holstein> xubuntu388: how did you add compiz to the startup?
[17:02] <xubuntu388> Don't know what that is. It just finished attempting to load. The last error says "xauth:  timeout in locking authority file /home/user/.Xauthority"
[17:03] <holstein> xubuntu388: did you folow the "If later on you want to go back to using xfwm4 instead of compiz, open the same file again" post at http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-set-up-compiz-in-xubuntu-1210-or.html ??
[17:03] <xubuntu388> I don't know what a greeter.
[17:04] <holstein> xubuntu388: you might wnat to just reinstall
[17:05] <holstein> xubuntu388: what about /etc/init.d/lightdm restart ?
[17:06] <xubuntu388> I did "sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager"   --   sudo apt-get install dconf-tools   --   compiz --replace
[17:06] <xubuntu388> Then I restarted which is where we are at now.
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu388: you dont do "compiz --replace"
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu388: you dont do that from the command line
[17:06] <xubuntu388> ok
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu388: you are not using a window manager in the commandline from tty to replace anything with
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu388: so, dont run that command in the terminal anymore.. OK?
[17:06] <holstein> xubuntu388: open a tty..
[17:07] <xubuntu388> One sec, gotta read what you've sent
[17:07] <holstein> run this, and only this..
[17:07] <holstein> sudo apt-get update
[17:07] <holstein> any errors?
[17:10] <xubuntu388> "sudo apt-get update" is throwing errors Failed to fetch and Some index files failed to download.
[17:11] <holstein> xubuntu388: then, that will keep you from adding copmiz back. you have *not* reinstalled compiz[C
[17:11] <holstein> xubuntu388: depending on the errors, you might want to reinstall.. if you have added a bunch of PPA's that are breaking your system
[17:12] <holstein> xubuntu388: if you are just not online, consider just wiring up to wired internet, and getting "sudo apt-get update" to complete without error
[17:12] <holstein> xubuntu388: then, you can reinstall compiz .. "sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager" ..and test
[17:12] <xubuntu388> I'm connected to the eth0
[17:12] <holstein> xubuntu388: then, what errors are you seeing? and why?
[17:13] <xubuntu388> Give me a sec. I'm going to try reconnecting.
[17:13] <xubuntu388> I wasn't able to ping the router
[17:14] <holstein> xubuntu388: you are not online then.. you are not connected
[17:15] <xubuntu388> Well I have the cable connected is all I meant. I can ping 127.0.0.1, but not anything else (192.168.1.1  router).
[17:16] <holstein> xubuntu388: you are 127.0.0.1
[17:17] <holstein> xubuntu388: you are *not* connected.. thus, not installing packages via apt
[17:17] <xubuntu388> You don't have to tell me that, I know.
[17:17] <holstein> !volunteers
[17:20] <bazhang> try sudo dhclient eth0 xubuntu388
[17:21] <xubuntu388> Bazhang I'm back online
[17:21] <holstein> xubuntu388: sudo apt-get update should report no errors.. correct?
[17:21] <bazhang> try to ping www.google.com   xubuntu388
[17:21] <xubuntu388> Corret
[17:22] <holstein> then, sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager should report no errors, correct xubuntu388 ?
[17:22] <xubuntu388> Did step 1 and I get errors processing gconf2, compiz-gnome, and compizE
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu388: dont do "step 2"
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu388: run this, and only this
[17:23] <holstein> sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:23] <holstein> xubuntu388: you get no errors, correct?
[17:24] <xubuntu388> I ran only "sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager" and I get the errors I just told you about.
[17:24] <holstein> xubuntu388: what errors?
[17:24] <holstein> !pastebinit
[17:26] <xubuntu388> dpkg: dependency proglems prevent configuration of compiz: compiz depends on sompiz-gnome; however: Package compiz-gnome in not configured yet.
[17:27] <holstein> !pastebinit | xubuntu388 this will let the volunteers here see the *exact* errors
[17:28] <xubuntu388> And at the very bottom it says Errors were encountered while processing gconf2, compiz-gnome, and compizE
[17:29] <holstein> xubuntu388: what command did you run?
[17:29] <xubuntu388> "sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager"  Without quotes
[17:29] <GridCube> why do you bother with compiz?
[17:30] <holstein> GridCube: it was previously installed, and configured, and removed improperly
[17:30] <GridCube> so
[17:30] <GridCube> do sudo apt-get install xubuntu
[17:30] <GridCube> -desktop
[17:31] <GridCube> and xfwm4 --replace
[17:32] <holstein> to be clear.. the proposed solution, xubuntu388 , is "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[17:32] <holstein> then, you are to run "xfwm4 --replace" in tty as well? but that will kick up an error
[17:32] <xubuntu388> I'm ok with that. Do you want me to try that command?
[17:33] <GridCube> no from a session
[17:33] <holstein> GridCube: the session is not loading
[17:33] <holstein> GridCube: compiz was removed improperly, and sessions are not loading
[17:33] <xubuntu388> I could also run the original command again with paste so you have the full error.
[17:33] <holstein> but, it wont hurt anything to try and install the xubuntu-desktop meta package
[17:34] <xubuntu388> brb
[17:34] <GridCube> xubuntu388, remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority from /home/yourname/
[17:34] <GridCube> and relogin
[17:35] <GridCube> that should fix your boot
[17:38] <xubuntu388> GridCube, with all due respect, I've nee working with holstein so I'll try his instructions first.
[17:39] <holstein> xubuntu388: you can remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority from your /home
[17:39] <holstein> thats a great suggestion
[17:39] <holstein> xubuntu388: know how to rename, and replace those, and you can try them quickly, and revert from the changes
[17:40] <xubuntu388> mv filename newfilename
[17:40] <xubuntu388> ???
[17:40] <GridCube> yes
[17:40] <xubuntu388> Ok, one sec
[17:45] <xubuntu388> Ok, sorry bout the wait. I just renamed those two files.
[17:45] <xubuntu388> Now what?
[17:46] <holstein> test
[17:46] <xubuntu388> reboot?
[17:46] <holstein> xubuntu388: i would reboot and test that it fixes the session booting
[17:48] <xubuntu388> I saw the Xubuntu splash screen for less than a second and then back to the terminal
[17:49] <holstein> xubuntu388: personally, i might just reinstall at this point.. i would consider is a time-saving step, since you can reinstall in about 15 minutes or les
[17:49] <holstein> less*
[17:49] <holstein> otherwise, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:50] <xubuntu388> Well I have to go soon.
[17:50] <holstein> and troubleshoot those other apt errors.. using pastebinit to give the volunteers here the *exact* errors
[17:50] <xubuntu388> I will try the other command first, but I have to log off here soon.
[17:51] <holstein> xubuntu388: when i look back, you have been here for a little over an hour.. that is plenty of time to reinstall and get your settings back to normal
[17:53] <holstein> i think where you have caused the issue is by not switching back to the defaults.. you have just pulled compiz out of the way, and the system is needing it, since you have configured it to use it
[17:54] <GridCube> sounds false, because lightdm should load anyway
[17:54] <holstein> GridCube: should.. yet, it isnt
[17:54] <GridCube> regardless of compiz
[17:54] <holstein> which, could be that other things are broken..
[17:54] <GridCube> yeah then theres another problem
[17:54] <xubuntu388> My attention has been divided. I have some errands to run. I might be back later. I've been trying to avoid a reinstall.
[17:54] <holstein> xubuntu388: why?
[17:54] <xubuntu388> Holstein, Thanks for all your help!
[17:55] <holstein> xubuntu388: its quite easy.. arguably easier than what you are dealing with now.. and much faster
[17:58] <xubuntu388> Did "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop" and rebooted. Still not working.
[17:58] <xubuntu388> I'll have to get back to this another time.
[17:58] <xubuntu388> Thanks for all your time!
[17:59] <holstein> good luck!
[18:25] <Krackatowa> Holstein, I was chatting with you a little bit ago about my issues with compiz.
[18:26] <holstein> Krackatowa: yes
[18:26] <Krackatowa> While I agree a reinstall will work, I don't want to do it because it took a lot of work to get the HDMI audio working and the nvidia drivers and all my software.
[18:26] <Krackatowa> Any other ideas before I wipe it clean and reinstall?
[18:29] <holstein> Krackatowa: well, keep in mind that hardware *will* fail.. anything you do now to make that process of reinstallation being streamlined will be helpful
[18:29] <holstein> Krackatowa: one thing you could do is preventive.. reinstall.. get hdmi and everything working and updated.. then take an image with something like clonezilla.. do that before you do something unsupported like compiz
[18:30] <holstein> Krackatowa: i have plenty of ideas, and can run them by you.. but it will be a process of trial and error and troubleshooting.. and if you havent prepared for failure, i think it would be a better use of time to just reinstall and plan for when that hard drive *will* fail
[18:31] <holstein> Krackatowa: i just did 2 *buntu installs since you have left the channel
[18:32] <Krackatowa> Good idea on imaging the drive.
[18:33] <Krackatowa> Give me one sec, I am pulled a list up of the commands I ran prior to having my issue.
[18:38] <Krackatowa> Here are the commands I ran just prior to my original issue.
[18:38] <Krackatowa> sudo apt-get remove dconf-tools sudo apt-get remove compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:39] <Krackatowa> Oops, let me separate them.
[18:39] <Krackatowa> sudo apt-get remove dconf-tools
[18:39] <Krackatowa> sudo apt-get remove compiz compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager
[18:39] <Krackatowa> sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:40] <Krackatowa> I also tried to add a drop down terminal around the same time. I followed this link for instuctions.
[18:40] <Krackatowa> http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/how-to-use-xfce4-terminal-06x-as-drop.html
[18:49] <Krackatowa> I think autoremove messed everything up.
[18:59] <fallore> how do i add a restart option to the shut down, log out, etc menu?
[18:59] <fallore> and how do i do it through terminal in the meanwhile?
[19:01] <TheSheep> by leaving the channel 2 minutes after asking the question, obviously
[19:02] <Krackatowa> sudo poweroff
[19:03] <Krackatowa> sudo reboot
[19:04] <TheSheep> Krackatowa: that's not what he meant, and he's gone
[19:04] <Krackatowa> Oh ok
[19:05] <Krackatowa> Well I'm still trying to resolve my issue.
[19:05] <TheSheep> you could try asking at #compiz
[19:05] <Krackatowa> Ok cool
[19:15] <xubuntu104> s
[19:16] <nightyyx> hello :) i would love some help for some customization to my favourite xubuntu <3 so first of all
[19:16] <nightyyx> if i wanted when i do right click on the desktop to have the option to create a single text file with leafpad like its there the option for a new folder?
[19:24] <knome> nightyyx, create from template -> empty file
[19:25] <Dry_Lips> Ugh... Finally... Spent 3 hours resizing the partitions of the disk in my sister's laptop
[19:25] <nightyyx> oh so simple thanks so much!
[19:25] <nightyyx> also when i open my terminal
[19:25]  * Dry_Lips is installing Xubuntu for my sister
[19:25] <nightyyx> i write for example vlc
[19:25] <Dry_Lips> *his sister
[19:25] <nightyyx> if i close the terminal vlc closes also or any programm that opened with this way
[19:25] <nightyyx> it is any way to keep it on even if terminal is closed?
[19:25] <Dry_Lips> Ooops... Wrong channel
[19:27] <holstein> nightyyx: for example... "gedit &" will open gedit, and it will not close if you close the terminal
[19:27] <nightyyx> ye but why it will close vlc or skype?
[19:27] <nightyyx> i dont have installed by the way gedit to check it :P
[19:58] <nightyyx> is there any way also to make a folder in my desktop for a category of a application kind?for example Development or games...well i know that i can go for example to usr/games but i want when i open the folder no the execution icon but eatch game icon like i was from applications menu--->develpment or games
[20:35] <nightyyx> i want to remove the opacity of the panel 2 on the bottom
[20:36] <nightyyx> i mean i want the icons of panel 2 on but without the default dark color
[20:36] <nightyyx> just pure icons
[20:36] <nightyyx> but i cant find any option
[20:41] <th0r> nightyyx, I think you have to enable compiz to get the transparency. But the transparency of the panel applies to icons as well as background, I don't know how to get rid of the background and just keep the icons
[20:41] <nightyyx> yeah i dont want to use compiz i want some light customization but make
[20:41] <nightyyx> like mac osx a bit the desktop hehe
[20:41] <nightyyx> i show a picture
[20:41] <nightyyx> w8
[20:42] <nightyyx> http://www.everydaylinuxuser.com/2012/11/xubuntu-1210-day-2-customise-desktop.html
[20:42] <nightyyx> on the screenshoot
[20:42] <nightyyx> close to the start
[20:42] <th0r> nightyyx, you might look at Cairo Dock
[20:42] <nightyyx> interesting
[20:42] <nightyyx> what about is cairo dock?
[20:43] <th0r> nightyyx, cairo dock is a very interesting google search topic
[20:43] <nightyyx> ok i am downloading it already from software manager :)
[20:45] <th0r> nightyyx, I believe that transparent background was to be introduced in xfce 4.8, but I don't have that in 12.04
[20:45] <nightyyx> i am using atm
[20:45] <nightyyx> 12.10
[20:45] <nightyyx> well
[20:45] <nightyyx> when i am going
[20:45] <nightyyx> to panel preferences
[20:46] <nightyyx> on appereance
[20:46] <nightyyx> it have some opacity options
[20:46] <nightyyx> but i cant toutch them
[20:46] <nightyyx> they are locked
[20:46] <nightyyx> and it says me to
[20:46] <th0r> nightyyx, what do you know...I just found it for 12.04 <smile>
[20:46] <th0r> nightyyx, it is referred to as 'Alpha'
[20:46] <nightyyx> enable compositing in the window manager for oppacity settings on the panel
[20:48] <th0r> nightyyx, right...you need compiz running
[20:49] <nightyyx> i want to cry now :P
[20:49] <nightyyx> i was hoping to avoid it
[20:49] <nightyyx> since i have open source drivers because of my ati card pfff
[20:49] <nightyyx> graphic card
[20:51] <brainwash> but xfwm supports compositing
[20:52] <nightyyx> how?
[20:52] <nightyyx> sudo apt-get install cairo-dock-core btw this is the right cairo right?:P
[20:52] <nightyyx> aha
[20:52] <nightyyx> i have to go settings
[20:52] <nightyyx> and
[20:52] <nightyyx> windows manager tweaks
[20:52] <th0r> nightyyx, if you install cairo-dock it will pick up all the dependencies
[20:53] <brainwash> nightyyx: try xfwm4 --replace --compositor=on
[20:53] <nightyyx> dependecies?you mean the icons and lunches on my both  panels on bottom and the top?
[20:54] <nightyyx> brainwash thanks i did via mouse on settings manager like a noob i am hehe :)
[20:54] <nightyyx> but still i cant figure how i ll left from the panel2 on the bottom only the icons :P
[20:54] <th0r> nightyyx, no...I mean when I installed cairo-dock, I just told synaptic to install cairo dock and it figured out I need cairo-dock-core and other toys
[20:54] <nightyyx> aha ok i ll install it then from synaptic if it is to try it
[20:55] <th0r> nightyyx, right click on the panel, choose Panel, Panel-Preferences. On the
[20:55] <th0r> Appearance tab set Alpha to zero
[20:55] <nightyyx> wohooooo
[20:56] <nightyyx> we diiiiid :D without any extra installs just with xfce :D
[20:56] <nightyyx> yee
[20:56] <nightyyx> its amazing!
[20:59] <xubuntu091> Hello ,. Ive got a problem- I have nvidia 319:17 driver and i cant get skype to work. Xubuntu 32 bit . pls help
[21:00] <nightyyx> omg i just installed too cairo dock
[21:00] <nightyyx> it makde it amazing lol
[21:01] <nightyyx> but can somehow get rid off the workspaces small preview on the bottom?lol
[21:03] <Dry_Lips> Doesn't "archive manager" unpack .rar?
[21:10] <seronis> Dry_Lips,  sudo apt-get install unrar
[21:10] <seronis> then it can handle them
[21:10] <seronis> even multipart rar files
[21:12] <Dry_Lips> thanks, seronis! :)
[21:13] <nightyyx> lol
[21:14] <nightyyx> i was trying to install a new cairo dock them (Mac os
[21:14] <nightyyx> and seems stucked now :P
[21:14] <nightyyx> and the panel2 bottom is just the default that i had before i install cairo dock
[21:14] <nightyyx> what should i do to restore it back without damage?
[21:15] <nightyyx> ok just terminated with the violence way
[21:15] <nightyyx> and when i pressed
[21:15] <nightyyx> again to run cairo dock
[21:15] <nightyyx> it runned grat with macos theme :)
[21:26] <nightyyx> cairo docks really its very cool
[21:26] <nightyyx> and i can say very light too
[21:26] <nightyyx> compering to compiz
[21:26] <nightyyx> its true that compiz is a dead project now or?
[21:40] <zoredache> (rant mode) who is the perverse individual that actually likes the session save/restore features?  This has never worked right, not for 6 years I have used Xubuntu on and off.
[21:41] <zoredache> What the heck do I have to do to make Pidgin not keep starting multiple copies of itself.  I have disabled the 'session saving' feature.  I have cleared out my cached sesssions many times.  Pidgin always seems to come back and run 2-3 copies.
[21:51] <th0r> zoredache, turn on session save, close EVERYTHING and exit. The next time you log out, make sure you turn OFF session save
[22:09] <nightyyx> by the way i am a bit curious
[22:09] <nightyyx> i am xubuntu and generally linux is maybe the most great os that i tested and even as a user from windows i love it and i find it so easy and very usefull
[22:09] <nightyyx> but
[22:09] <nightyyx> i can complain a bit about the "messengers" thing
[22:09] <nightyyx> i mean the most apps on linux and the desktop its so cool
[22:10] <nightyyx> that i can say that it would be compared with a macos
[22:10] <nightyyx> but
[22:10] <nightyyx> pidgin for example
[22:10] <nightyyx> looks a bit retro
[22:10] <nightyyx> even if it is a great messenger
[22:10] <nightyyx> lol
[22:10] <nightyyx> i couldnt find a shiny
[22:10] <nightyyx> messenger
[22:10] <nightyyx> like the msn (before microsoft close it for skype pff)
[22:10] <zoredache> Please don't use the enter key as punctatino.
[22:10] <zoredache> Also, there are themes for pidgin.
[22:11] <nightyyx> i am sorry my bad usuals :D can you suggest me anything?
[22:11] <th0r> zoredache, did you see my answer to your sessions issue?
[22:11] <nightyyx> i have the default
[22:11] <zoredache> th0r: yes, and that might fix it, but I am mostly here to rant.
[22:12] <th0r> zoredache, ok....enjoy
[22:12] <zoredache> the session management annoyes the hell out of me.   I don't understand who actually likes the feature...
[22:21] <pleia2> zoredache: this isn't really the place to rant, people have difference preferences and having an attitude about it here doesn't really help anyone :)
[22:22] <pleia2> if you're interested in giving constructive feedback to make improvements, I encourage you to join our development mailing list and irc channel (#xubuntu-devel)
[22:23] <zoredache> pleia2: right.  I am trying to compose a feature request for the xfce bugzilla.
[22:42] <nightyyx> zoredache i like it...
[22:42] <nightyyx> its one of the greatest fuetureas that i ever saw to a os
[22:43] <nightyyx> hmmm
[22:44] <nightyyx> i run cairo dock openGl
[22:44] <nightyyx> and i see that my cpu is really on the fire :P
[22:44] <nightyyx> GLX dock
[22:50] <nyRednek> ok, how do i migrate a non-encrypted home dir to an encrypted one?
[22:50] <holstein> nyRednek: i would probably just backup, and reinstall and copy the data
[22:50] <nyRednek> holstein: there used to be a one-command solution
[22:51] <nyRednek> something with ecryptfs
[22:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedHome http://askubuntu.com/questions/17332/how-can-i-move-an-encrypted-home-directory-to-another-partition
[22:51] <holstein> nyRednek: i have never migrated to it, though maybe one of the other volunteers have
[23:00] <nightyyx> guys
[23:00] <nightyyx> when i installed
[23:00] <nightyyx> my xubuntu
[23:00] <nightyyx> i made also a swap partition 3 gb
[23:00] <nightyyx> for the memory
[23:00] <nightyyx> but now that i installed gparted
[23:01] <nightyyx> i see that is
[23:01] <nightyyx> like in non use
[23:01] <nightyyx> lol
[23:01] <th0r> nightyyx, you will want it if you every try to use hibernate
[23:02] <nightyyx> why to use hibernate?
[23:02] <nightyyx> :P