[04:27] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: everyone uses network printers these days, right? ;)
[05:24] <knightwise> mornin
[08:06] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: my printer is only the netork thanks to a tiny little linux device ;)
[09:03] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:06] <dwatkins> hiya
[09:06] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[09:07] <dwatkins> I think today I will finally get to play some Half-Life 2 on Ubuntu :D
[09:08] <brobostigon> :)
[10:42] <Azelphur> Damn google dropping XMPP support, I am annoyed as hell now :@
[10:42] <mungbean> really?
[10:42] <Azelphur> Use our protocol, it's interoperable and open they say, write all your code on their platform
[10:42] <Azelphur> and then nope, screw you and your stuff.
[10:43] <Azelphur> mungbean: yup
[10:43] <Azelphur> http://windowspbx.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/hangouts-wont-hangout-with-other.html
[10:43] <mungbean> when?
[10:43] <Azelphur> a few days ago
[10:43] <mungbean> pidgin still works
[10:44] <Azelphur> mungbean: read the article
[10:45] <Azelphur> or at least the "What does this mean technically today?" part
[10:45] <Azelphur> it bricks the entire system.
[10:45] <Azelphur> I have bots that sit on XMPP so now they can't talk to my phone at all :@
[11:03] <shauno> yeah.  it's not broke yet, but it will be.  bah.
[11:06] <shauno> bit of a bummer.  just letting people use gmail instead of trying to move them to jabber was so much easier.  but now we leap back 10 years to having to advocate protocols again
[11:07] <Azelphur> :(
[11:08] <Azelphur> half my contact list I can't even talk to - this is crazy.
[11:08] <shauno> really?  mine are still showing up as long as it's via gmail, rather than g+
[11:11] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, but I can't talk using my tablet
[11:13] <shauno> surely that's app-specific?  if you're using something that logs into hangouts instead of google-talk?
[11:17] <shauno> if they keep up like this, people might stop looking at me funny for hosting my own mail/jabber/calendar/etc
[11:17] <brobostigon> owncloud being one option.
[11:18] <shauno> yeah, I'm using that for the calendar at the moment
[11:18] <brobostigon> similerly here, contacts aswell. kinda.
[11:18] <shauno> it feels a bit overweight for this single task, but it works
[11:18] <brobostigon> fair point,
[11:20] <shauno> I didn't get on with it's file syncing so well though, so I'm back to dropbox.  but for the calendar, it's working out better than watching google drop caldav so far
[11:27] <brobostigon> i think a walk into town is called for, my dad is monopolising the tv with the cricket.
[11:39] <Azelphur> shauno: yea, I'm thinking of bailing on the google XMPP stuff too, so frustrating.
[11:39] <Azelphur> after all the work I did to make nice things on that protocol, they do this -.-
[13:33] <shrik> I quite like this thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ekh8b/nondeveloper_users_why_do_you_use_linux/
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> Laney: hm?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> so
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> does anyone know if there's anything to do between Colchester, Ipswich and Harwich? :)
[19:03] <brobostigon> go to the weatherspoons on clacton beach, and enjoy beer.
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: beer is out, I'm driving :)
[19:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: oh dear, :(
[19:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: colchester does have a LUG.
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have all of tomorrow to wait (for the boat back home)
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: been driving to Land's End & back the past week
[19:05] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah. i have been around that area before, parents used to have a flat in clacton.
[19:05] <mungbean> colchester zoo
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ooh, zoos are fun :)
[19:05] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: animals love having their picture taken
[19:06]  * brobostigon pretends to be a lion, RAWR.
[19:06]  * MartijnVdS took pictures of Nerina Pallot at Minack on Wednesday.. that was one amazing show
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> also, the theatre is *WOW*
[19:06] <brobostigon> :)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> Lots of pics from the coast (path) around there
[19:07] <brobostigon> :)
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> Oh and I went to Lulworth Cove/Stair Hole/Durdle Door (on a sunny day! the pictures are amazing!)
[19:07] <brobostigon> wicked.
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> yeah, the south coast is beautiful, I've found
[19:09] <brobostigon> :D
[19:09] <Myrtti> could always poke Gary but he's so busy nowadays he's rarely on IRC
[19:09] <mungbean> waited all week for an evening without baby and i'm too tired to do anything
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: watch Eurovision
[19:10] <mungbean> i want to do stuff, but too zzzzzzzz
[19:10] <brobostigon> oh dear.
[19:11] <mungbean> my monring wil start at 5am prboably though
[19:11] <brobostigon> :(
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> wait a second.. there's "holland-on-sea"?
[19:11] <brobostigon> yes.
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> I must go there and take a picture of the sign :)
[19:11] <brobostigon> :)
[19:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: right next to clacton is memory serves.
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: yeah, I was looking at gmaps
[19:13] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[19:14] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: one evening, i was caught tipsy on dad push bike, down that direction.
[19:14] <brobostigon> on my dads push bike.
[19:14] <brobostigon> when i once visited when they lived there.
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> haha :)
[19:15] <brobostigon> no joke, :)
[19:23] <mungbean> why the heck is hugin so tricky to use
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> because it's so powerful and hasn't had enough rounds of UX design
[19:24] <brobostigon> !info hugin
[19:26] <mungbean> just clicking blindly in the hope of results
[19:27] <mungbean> fail
[19:37] <mungbean> win
[19:37] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/6TgTE8s.jpg
[19:38] <AlanBell> nice mungbean :)
[19:39] <mungbean> :)
[19:39] <mungbean> sometimes i take photos for later stitching but then forget and think they were just badly framed shots
[19:39] <mungbean> these ones are 4 yrs old
[19:40] <mungbean> i saw 3 next to each other and though...hmmm looks like i did that deliberately
[19:42] <funkyHat> mungbean: what did you use to do the stitching?
[19:42] <mungbean> hugin
[19:42] <mungbean> apt-got it on 12.04
[19:42] <mungbean> i think
[19:43] <mungbean> this is an older effort pre-hugin of snowdonia
[19:43] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/u30dm6j.jpg
[19:43] <mungbean> 5 or 6 pics i think made that
[19:49] <mungbean> bah, i hate the safe places i choose to hide things in. just found a paint brush that i'd lost for 2 months cos it was too well secreted
[19:49] <mungbean> i hope this is what google glass will fix
[19:52] <AlanBell> cheaper to buy a new brush
[19:56] <mungbean> except i lose things all the time
[19:56] <mungbean> i lost PES for the wii for 2 yrs
[19:56] <mungbean> found the dvd inside some old linux magazine dvd cases as i was throwing them out
[19:57] <funkyHat> You'll be like Professor Brainstorm, need a google glass specifically for finding your google glass
[19:59] <funkyHat> *Branestawm, apparently
[20:04] <ali1234> hugin isn't even that good
[20:04] <ali1234> most of the configuration is for special panoramic lenses which you probably don't have
[20:05] <ali1234> it's not really for stitching together snaps taken on a normal camera
[20:05] <ali1234> and doesn't really do a very good job of it
[20:05] <MartijnVdS> so what's better
[20:05] <ali1234> photoshop
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> and affordable
[20:06] <ali1234> nothing
[20:06] <ali1234> although actually the panorama apps on any smartphone these days will do a better job than hugin
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> Google is going to introduce something like this on g+ I heard
[20:07] <ali1234> if you want something better than hugin your best bet is to write it yourself
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> but I no know graphics!
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> pixels iz hard!
[20:08] <ali1234> such is life
[20:08] <ali1234> you can probably do a better job rotating and resizing the images by hand
[20:09] <MartijnVdS> but that takes forever-ish
[20:09] <ali1234> not really
[20:10] <ali1234> if you only want a result as good as what you get from hugin it would take about 30 seconds per photo
[20:10] <ali1234> if you want it to actually look like one big image with no weird artifacts then it would take longer of course
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> but doesn't hugin do perspective correction based on lens type?
[20:10] <ali1234> only for special panaoramic lenses which you don't have, as i said
[20:11] <ali1234> that mode is entirely for those special 360 degree panorama camera with special mount and lense
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> it's still better than nothing.
[20:12] <ali1234> it is exactly equal to nothing because it has no effect on a normal photograph
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: hugin-stitched panoramas still look better than the ones I can do by hand.
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: as I don't want to spend days lining it up pixel-perfect, and finding the "perfect" crop
[20:15] <ali1234> hugin doesn't do that either
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> it does
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> not the pixel-perfectness maybe, but better than I could
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> and it can find the "biggest possible crop"
[20:16] <MartijnVdS> (that has no black borders)
[20:17] <ali1234> it's not even close to pixel perfect
[20:18] <ali1234> if you want then you're going to have to spend hours with the clone stamp tool removing duplicated stuff near the edges
[20:18] <ali1234> because hugin can't do it at all
[20:18] <MartijnVdS> I've been happy with the results
[20:18] <ali1234> all it does is position the images in roughly the right places and then blend then together
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> the Icelandic guy is from Dalvik
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> never knew the Android bit was named after an icelandic town ;)
[20:31] <brobostigon> intwesting.
[20:33] <brobostigon> if i straightend my hair, it probably wouldnt be far from the length of that chaps hair either.
[20:34] <MartijnVdS> Mine wouldn't.. by a long shot :)
[20:34] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/6TgTE8s.jpg wasn't bad at all considering flash photog and no tinerking
[20:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah.
[20:35] <mungbean> hugin found 46 points to match to
[20:35] <mungbean> for each join
[20:35]  * brobostigon watches QI on bbc2 insted.
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: my hair is ~0.5cm :)
[20:35] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: nice
[20:35] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah, understood, yes, not much.
[20:35] <mungbean> take note ali1234
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: he just likes to burst bubbles ;)
[20:36] <mungbean> :P
[20:36] <ali1234> mungbean: that is what, 3 photos?
[20:36] <mungbean> yes
[20:36] <mungbean> plenty of chance of ruining the perspective
[20:37] <mungbean> you can see the join on the middle right 2/3
[20:37] <mungbean> but i did nothing besides auto mode
[20:37] <ali1234> the first seam is about 1/3 of the way into the engine
[20:37] <ali1234> the second is in the middle of the wing and much more noticable
[20:38] <Myrtti> here's something that almost justifies the existance of the Romanian performer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELXeLkkhfXk
[20:38] <mungbean> i've done some massive football stadium ones which look great
[20:38] <mungbean> certainly more effecient that any manual job
[21:13] <bigcalm> Good evening kids :)
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> o/
[21:16] <[JethroDawnfine]> ;)
[21:17] <zleap> hi
[21:19] <bigcalm> ep1 complete, on to replaying ep2