[12:41] <smartboyhw> Wb zequence
[15:11] <smartboyhw> zequence: How's your internet?
[16:09] <zequence> my internet has sucked today
[16:09] <len-1310> speed is "ok" here but dropout is a bit higher than normal.
[16:12] <len-1310> zequence, I am going to install the daily xubuntu. When last I checked xubuntu docs were mostly just a pointer to an apps release notes. They have been working on improving their docs so it may be worthwhile including them for desktop (settings) help.
[16:15] <zequence> len-1310: Yes, sounds like good idea
[16:15] <len-1310> I would like to be able to use xububtu's docs as is if possible. Just change the desktop file.
[16:15] <zequence> Yeah
[16:15] <len-1310> That may mean using their settings manager the same as they do.
[16:16] <len-1310> Even though (last I checked) there are some things in there that really belong in system. But hear they are changing that too
[16:17] <len-1310> My thought is to leave the desktop as close to xubuntu as possible. In fact I would like to be able to just include their meta
[16:19] <zequence> I think doing too much custom work on our side always has the danger of it not being adapatable to upstream changes
[16:19] <zequence> And for us, Xubuntu is in some way upstream
[16:19] <zequence> Of course, we can choose to not think that way too
[16:20] <len-1310> Xubuntu is spending almost all of their time on desktop smothness and usage.
[16:20] <len-1310> this is something we want /need too.
[16:21] <len-1310> also, if we are planning to offer more than one DE we need to think in terms of using a predone DE and adding US to it
[16:24] <len-1310> My understanding is that xubuntu is working to have two ISO sets. One with just the raw desktop with no apps pre installed and another with apps. This should mean there is a meta for just the desktop
[16:28] <zequence> len-1310: That would in deed make it easy for us to just base our desktop on theirs
[16:29] <len-1310> Ok, I will make that my next project... This may mean redoing much of the menu stuff, but that needs to be done anyway for other DEs
[16:31]  * len-1310 will need to make some new partitions...
[16:40] <len-1310> zequence, where should I frop this in the blueprints?
[16:44] <zequence> len-1310: The "desktop" one I suppose
[16:44] <zequence> Maybe it could be renamed to desktop-xfce to make it clearer
[16:44] <len-1310> Ya, I figured
[16:45] <len-1310> Ok, I will see if I can do that
[16:45] <len-1310> Actually we would need to make a new item as some ofthe things in desktop apply to all DEs
[17:03] <len-1310> zequence, It apears I can not create a new blue print ubuntustudio-s-desktop-xfce as I am not privileged enough. The current ubuntustudio-s-desktop should remain for things that are common to all DEs.
[17:04] <len-1310> That is, if someone starts with KDE already installed the US desktop meta should add the US specific things needed to make a kubuntu install work for studio
[17:05] <zequence> len-1310: We don't really have a common desktop thing yet, so I think it's ok to keep them all separate for now
[17:05] <zequence> len-1310: I think the two things that could be common are the menu, and audio controls
[17:06] <len-1310> Desktop shold depend on setting and artwork for example.
[17:06] <zequence> It's just that each desktop will have its own artwork
[17:06] <len-1310> ya controls too
[17:06] <len-1310> Oh, ok
[17:07] <zequence> And about settings, I haven't really looked at what the differences would be - I do think we should try keeping one settings for all of them
[17:07] <len-1310> Should be able to.
[17:09] <len-1310> I think the artwork should all be one meta too, so that if more than one DE is installed it still works even if different artwork is used per DE
[17:12] <len-1310> zequence, I am assuming the biggest difference in artwork would be the backdrop.
[17:12] <len-1310> Icons would be the same ?
[17:23] <zequence> len-1310: I guess so. We haven't really discussed any of that. For now, we just need to set up preliminary desktop metas, and go from there
[17:23] <zequence> The biggest difference will of course be the theme for the desktop
[17:24] <zequence> XFCE, KDE and GNome all have different window borders, and KDE has QT instead of GTK
[17:24] <len-1310> Ya.
[17:24] <zequence> Gotta go
[17:25] <len-1310> Bye
[17:25] <zequence> Being baby sitter for a 4 year old, while updating kernel :P
[17:25] <zequence> bye
[17:25] <len-1310> If I type anything I won't expect a response real soon