[04:20] <ahoneybun> valorie: ?
[04:20] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ?
[04:21] <valorie> here
[04:21] <ahoneybun> cool
[04:21] <valorie> how are you tonight, aaron?
[04:21] <ahoneybun> we morning here lol good, you?
[04:21]  * valorie has been listening to uds sessions I've missed
[04:21] <valorie> ah, where are you?
[04:21] <ahoneybun> Florida
[04:21]  * valorie is near Seattle
[04:22] <valorie> it is not morning in Florida!
[04:22] <ahoneybun> 12
[04:22] <ahoneybun> 12:22 am
[04:22] <valorie> btw, where in FL?
[04:22] <valorie> i've only been to Orlando
[04:22] <ahoneybun> Orlando is in Florida
[04:22] <valorie> and the Wekiva River, which I LOVED
[04:23] <ahoneybun> Florida is the state
[04:23] <valorie> yes, I wondered how far you were from orlando
[04:23] <ahoneybun> that was a great video chat
[04:23] <ahoneybun> oh like 300 or so miles
[04:23] <valorie> I wish I could have stayed to the end
[04:23] <valorie> :(
[04:23] <ahoneybun> the UDS?
[04:23] <valorie> I did come to the UDS, a few days early
[04:23] <valorie> and stayed with my friend on the Wekiva
[04:24] <ahoneybun> oh I wanted to go so bad
[04:24] <valorie> which is paradise
[04:24] <valorie> do you live south or north of O?
[04:24] <ahoneybun> can you help me fix up this page? Add a comment...
[04:24] <ahoneybun> south
[04:24] <valorie> ok
[04:24] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[04:24] <valorie> I've always wanted to see Miama
[04:25] <ahoneybun> its fine, I've never been to clubs or real bars, since I'm only 20
[04:25] <valorie> after watching Dexter
[04:25] <valorie> it looks amazing
[04:26] <valorie> ok, I added Krita 
[04:26] <valorie> to the page
[04:26] <ahoneybun> oh yea I know
[04:26] <ahoneybun> oh ok 
[04:26] <valorie> Miami, sheesh
[04:26] <ahoneybun> I just want to fix that page, get things worked out with titles for the pages, and what to put on them
[04:27] <valorie> cool
[04:27] <valorie> might be able to copy /paste some of the stuff we've already written
[04:27] <valorie> move, etc.
[04:27] <ahoneybun> yes I have done that for the welcome page
[04:27] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome
[04:28] <ahoneybun> I know I need to change a few things, like the release names as it says 13.04
[04:29] <valorie> well, we won't need the sub page part
[04:29] <valorie> hopefully
[04:29] <ahoneybun> yea I want to have links back since we are trying to use the web slice widget
[04:30] <valorie> cool
[04:30] <ahoneybun> just trying to get a foundation first
[04:31] <valorie> of course
[04:32] <ahoneybun> guess you can say I am taking lead lol
[04:33] <valorie> yes, you are
[04:33] <ahoneybun> I wish there was a way to make a header look right but be a link as well
[04:34] <valorie> use a clickable image?
[04:34] <ahoneybun> maybe
[04:36] <ahoneybun> I'm just going to keep trying
[04:41]  * ahoneybun wonders if moinmoin supports that
[04:44] <ahoneybun> valorie: put a web slice widget on your desktop and link it to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[04:44] <ahoneybun> please
[04:48] <valorie> yikes, how does one add a url?
[04:48] <valorie> now I have two o fhte damn things
[04:48] <ahoneybun> the setting icon on the side when you hover over the widget
[04:49] <valorie> ok, got rid of one
[04:49] <valorie> ok, you meant on the desktop, and mine's in the panel where it is useless
[04:49] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:52] <valorie> damn I hate these li(*(^&%*&(
[04:53] <valorie> it looks good, though
[04:54] <valorie> I hate that you can't move it anywhere
[04:54] <valorie> effing widgets
[04:54] <valorie> I never do *anything* on my desktop anymore, because I can't stand stuff I can't place where I want, the size I want
[04:57] <valorie> does it work for you as well?
[04:59] <ahoneybun> the site or putting things on my destop?
[05:08] <valorie> the site on the slice widget
[05:13] <ahoneybun> yea it works
[05:14] <valorie> cool
[05:14] <ahoneybun> just wonder if we need to make https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome shorter
[05:15] <valorie> I didn't quite understand why the slice was chosen rather than the browser widget?
[05:15] <valorie> ahoneybun: shorter is always better
[05:15] <ahoneybun> I know
[05:15] <ahoneybun> valorie: I know, the browser one is looking better that it can scroll
[05:18] <valorie> well, just because we decided on slice at the meeting doesn't mean we can't change our minds
[05:18] <valorie> we've got time to decide what's best
[05:19] <ahoneybun> I know
[05:20] <ahoneybun> yea it was just nice the way slice looked at first
[05:20] <valorie> it makes me happy that we're working NOW and not waiting though
[05:20] <ahoneybun> waiting?
[05:22] <valorie> to the end
[05:22] <valorie> which is the way it has been while I've been around
[05:23] <ahoneybun> I think with the browser vs slice we do not need to shorten it as much as I thought
[05:24] <valorie> well: shorter is always better
[05:24] <valorie> people don't read our golden prose
[05:24] <ahoneybun> I know
[05:25] <ahoneybun> but it does not limit it as much as slice would have
[05:32] <valorie> people have a short attention span
[05:32] <ahoneybun> I know
[05:32] <valorie> imo whatever looks best is the right choice
[05:32] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome
[05:32] <valorie> if they are interested, they'll read
[05:32] <valorie> otherwise, they'll skip it anyway, so we may as well look sharp
[05:36] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic
[05:36] <ahoneybun> can you tell me what you think we don't need?
[05:38] <valorie> well, I think all the tips are not basic
[05:38] <valorie> good stuff, but not necessarily basic
[05:39] <ahoneybun> so remove?
[05:40] <ahoneybun> I'm going to move the managing software to the right page.
[05:43] <valorie> well
[05:43] <valorie> I think darkwing had the right idea
[05:43] <valorie> start with what we WANT
[05:43] <valorie> drag that in
[05:43] <valorie> then decide what to do with what's left
[05:44] <valorie> the reason what we have is so full of cruft is because no one has ever done that
[05:45] <ahoneybun> so what do I do just pull all the work I have or look at what we have in the original docs and pull what we want
[05:46] <ahoneybun> valorie: then lets work on this https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs and write what we think is needed in the Docs
[05:46] <ahoneybun> then pull info from the old docs, and then take the fat off of what we think we don't need
[05:48] <valorie> I'm busy atm, but can help in a few
[05:48] <ahoneybun> I can just go to sleep and you get to it when you have the time
[05:49] <ahoneybun> and send a email with your opinion
[05:49] <ahoneybun> *s
[05:49] <valorie> ok, but write what you want
[05:49] <valorie> and we'll include darkwing in our lil doc circle
[05:50] <ahoneybun> what I want in the docs? what is there right now is for what darkwing said for now
[05:50] <ahoneybun> ok I'm off to bed for now
[05:53] <lars> hi there
[05:53] <lars> are there any experts here?
[06:02] <valorie> lars: experts on what?
[06:02] <valorie> we're all experts
[06:02] <valorie> but this isn't support, this is devel
[06:03] <palasso> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome has a broken link
[06:03] <valorie> which one, palasso?
[06:03] <valorie> we were just working on that
[06:03] <palasso> On What is Linux section the first link is: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/www.linux.org
[06:03] <valorie> woah
[06:03] <palasso> It should be www.linux.org
[06:03] <valorie> yes, fixing
[06:04] <valorie> hmmm, not sure what you are seeing
[06:05] <valorie> oh, I see
[06:05] <valorie> that is *strange*
[06:05] <valorie> and not what is in the text
[06:06] <palasso> The same on the same section with GNU Project!
[06:06] <valorie> fixed it; thanks for pointing that out
[06:06] <valorie> just fixed that too
[06:07] <palasso> np
[06:07] <valorie> turns out if you leave out the http:// part
[06:07] <valorie> the wiki stuff is inserted!
[06:07] <valorie> strange and weird moinmoin
[06:07] <valorie> btw, it's a wiki, so editable by you, too
[06:07] <valorie> :-0
[06:08] <palasso> r u sure?
[06:08] <palasso> Should I register or sth?
[06:08] <valorie> you have to have an account, yes
[06:08] <valorie> but it should be fixed
[06:09] <palasso> Ok thnx for the notice ;)
[06:09] <valorie> if you want to help us with docs, you'll need an account..... the one for ubuntu.com works for all, I think
[06:09] <valorie> we're starting now on the docs for saucy
[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
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[20:06] <lars> I'm having problems installing Kubuntu 12.04
[20:06] <lars> Is there an expert here who can help me?
[20:10] <jussi> lars: #kubuntu for support :)