[00:08] <sil> “!list”
[03:22] <ashes> my arm system's gpu is poorly supported by nvidia. can i play videos and firefox on another machine, and display it in a remote x11 window, or does that still use the gpu the same?
[07:06] <bigbrovar> .
[07:07] <bigbrovar> Kubuntu 13.04 should have been nicked Rocking :p
[07:17] <valorie> 'tis rocking indeed, for me at least
[07:54] <herman_> Hello... I'm new to IRC, can someone please tell me a little bit of how it works.... ? :)
[07:55] <valorie> what would you like to know, herman_?
[07:55] <herman_> All of this with # and channels. :)
[07:56] <valorie> channels generally start with a hash or two
[07:56] <herman_> ok.. thanks! :)
[07:57] <valorie> what are you looking for, in particular?
[07:57] <valorie> there is a command some people don't know, which is the searcher here on freenode
[07:57] <valorie> commands on IRC always start with a / on a newline
[07:57] <valorie> say you wanted to change your nick
[07:58] <valorie> you would put /nick hermanator
[07:58] <valorie> on a line by itself
[07:58] <herman_> my firend said this was a good program for getting help with computer stuff, I'm a python and pygame developer, soo like a channel or something for that...
[07:58] <valorie> and viola, you become hermanator
[07:58] <valorie> so the search app here is called alis
[07:58] <valorie> and you say: /msg alis list *python*
[07:59] <valorie> and you'll get all the python channels in your server tab
[07:59] <herman_> soo like /msg alis list *python*
[07:59] <herman_> ?
[08:02] <valorie> exactly, on a line by itself
[08:02] <valorie> you won't see anything here
[08:02] <valorie> you'll have to look in your server tab
[08:02] <valorie> and it will take awhile to search and give you the results
[08:05] <herman_> Thanks :)
[08:11] <ronalds> what should I do for kdenlive to render my file till end
[08:12] <ronalds> it sucks for being stuck in last 10 seconds
[08:12] <ronalds> it renders smaller part of the video, but can't take full
[08:14] <ronalds> I tried rendering, restarting, rendering part of
[08:14] <ronalds> I just can't understand why
[08:15] <valorie> ronalds: are you sure you have enough disk space, etc.?
[08:15] <ronalds> I have 15 gb of space
[08:15] <ronalds> I can choose to render selected smaller zone, and it renders
[08:15] <ronalds> why it does not when I need it to
[08:16] <ronalds> I am completely frustrated from last night trys
[08:16] <ronalds> estimated time left 10 seconds
[08:18] <ronalds> damn it
[08:20] <valorie> how about swap, do you have enough memory available?
[08:21] <valorie> I'm no expert, and don't know if any kdenlive folks are around now
[08:21] <valorie> probably sunday morning for most of them
[08:24] <amichair__> help! I just upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04, and after restart when I enter password at login screen nothing happens (I just see blank screen with login background image, and that's it).
[08:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:49] <amichair__> hmmm... apparently the upgrade removed qdbus(!), reinstalling it manually fixed things
[08:57] <thunder1212> Hi I use ubuntu 13.04. but i think i dont like unity desktop. so want to change! i kubunut the same as ubuntu or it adds some extra softwares!
[08:58] <thunder1212> Is kde very slow?
[08:59] <smartboyhw_> thunder1212: KDE is fast. And Kubuntu has the same base as Ubuntu. Of course, there are additional software.
[10:06] <chirag_d_gr8> hi
[10:08] <chirag_d_gr8> i want to switch to intel gfx but when I type   echo IGD > /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch  the terminal shows me permission denied
[10:08] <chirag_d_gr8> how to fix this?
[10:08] <smartboyhw> chirag_d_gr8: Use sudo
[10:09] <smartboyhw> !sudo
[10:09] <smartboyhw> !kdesudo
[10:10] <chirag_d_gr8> prefixing kdesudo still shows me the error Permission Denied
[10:10] <chirag_d_gr8> sudo does not fix the problem either
[10:11] <smartboyhw> chirag_d_gr8: :O
[10:11] <smartboyhw> The error is only "Permission denied"?
[10:11] <chirag_d_gr8> yes exactly
[10:12] <smartboyhw> chirag_d_gr8: Hmm
[10:12] <smartboyhw> I would not normally recommend this, but you should try to root then
[10:12] <smartboyhw> !root
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Which is weird
[10:14] <chirag_d_gr8> do you know how to switch to integrated graphics? My laptop is heating up unnecessarily
[10:15]  * smartboyhw has never used integrated graphics, sorry
[10:16] <smartboyhw> We have AMD cards:P
[10:16] <chirag_d_gr8> same here
[10:16] <chirag_d_gr8> I hate it
[10:16] <maq> brother printer mfc-295CN
[10:17] <smartboyhw> chirag_d_gr8: Overheating might not necessary be related to your graphics card…
[10:17] <smartboyhw> maq: ?
[10:17] <maq> hi
[10:17] <maq> smart boy
[10:18] <chirag_d_gr8> smartboyhw: I had kubuntu 12.04 once where someone gave me a script to switch to integrated gfx. It doubled my battery backup and ran as cool as windows
[10:19] <chirag_d_gr8> I can't find the same script
[10:20] <smartboyhw> chirag_d_gr8: I don't know really. Everytime my laptop overheats is because I have been compiling sources or packaging or running VMs.
[10:20] <smartboyhw> Which makes sense:P
[10:20] <maq> u know hot to set brother mfc-295CN printer to kubuntu 13.04
[10:22] <smartboyhw> maq: No Linux drivers available from Brother's website?
[10:26] <maq> I know I search that
[10:26] <maq> I found many other brother printer's driver is availble but not 295
[10:29] <sourav> helloo guys i converted a .mkv video to mpeg2 video and mp3 audio video works fine but audio is absent in dvd player but the file plays in computer without any problem
[10:29] <sourav>  any tips should i convert the audio to aac or ac3 or mp2???
[11:23] <Leroy> hello
[11:23] <Leroy> I am here because I am at my wits end trying to get sound to work in kubuntu 13.04
[11:25] <Leroy> When I run aplay -l the output is device_list:252: no soundcards found
[11:25] <Leroy> can anyone help?
[11:28] <theillusiveman> hello, anyone here?
[11:29] <theillusiveman> sorry, super noob, I could really use some help trying to get my intel sound card to work in kubuntu 13.04
[11:39] <ScottyK> Good morning/evening! Did a fresh install of 13.04 (64-bit) this morning. Everything comes up, except the blue "K" at the bottom left, and the time and other icons are gone from the right side. can still ALT-F2 to get updates. Help!
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:39] <theillusiveman> hello
[11:40] <theillusiveman> I just did an install of Kubuntu 13.04 on an asus g72gx and cannot for the life  of me get it off of dummyy sound
[11:40] <theillusiveman> I've spent four days scoouring forums and trying stuff, just reinstalled today and came here for help
[11:41] <Basil1x> Sound seems to be an issue with this distro.
[11:42] <theillusiveman> indeed
[11:42] <Basil1x> We're having similar problems.  My sound works for a few minutes, then disappears.
[11:42] <theillusiveman> mine just doesn't sow up
[11:43] <theillusiveman> wen I run aplay -l in terminal it says: device_list:252: no soundcards found...
[11:44] <theillusiveman> and if I ruun "sudo lshw -class multimedia"
[11:44] <theillusiveman> -multimedia UNCLAIMED
[11:44] <theillusiveman>        description: Audio device
[11:44] <theillusiveman>        product: 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller
[11:44] <theillusiveman>        vendor: Intel Corporation
[11:44] <theillusiveman>        physical id: 1b
[11:44] <FloodBotK1> theillusiveman: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:44] <theillusiveman>        bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
[11:46] <theillusiveman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5680151/
[11:46] <Basil1x> It's the Intel HD Audio... there's some issue with it I can't fathom.  Do you have a HDMI port as well?
[11:47] <theillusiveman> yea, altough I'm not using it
[11:48] <theillusiveman> some people claim that downgrading the kernel to 3.8.0-17 works, but I dunno how to do that
[11:48] <Basil1x> I think it can cause issues even if not in use.
[11:49] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, ok I have ask , have you checked systemsettings>multimedia>phonon>audio software setup tab and set the output in the drop down ?
[11:49] <theillusiveman> yeah
[11:49] <BluesKaj> have to ask
[11:49] <theillusiveman> it says dummy output
[11:50] <theillusiveman> or rather, the dropdown has no options
[11:50] <theillusiveman> when I run aplay -l it says no soundcard
[11:51] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel , in the terminal , reboot ..there will be no output from the command
[11:51] <theillusiveman> and if I ruun "sudo lshw -class multimedia" it returns http://paste.ubuntu.com/5680151/
[11:51] <theillusiveman> this is an asus g72gx laptop
[11:56] <Basil1x> I'll have to try for help again later, I suppose.
[11:57] <theillusiveman> blueskaj tried the command you gave, no luck
[11:57] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, now open alsamixer in the terminal and make sure all the ctrls are yurned up with no M/mute in the boxes
[11:58] <theillusiveman> hmm, ssays cannot open alsa mixer
[11:58] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
[11:58] <BluesKaj> no space
[11:58] <theillusiveman> yea, I ran it in terminal
[11:59] <theillusiveman> cannot open mixer: No such file or directory, gave me that
[11:59] <BluesKaj> ok , sudo apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils
[12:00] <theillusiveman> says newest version
[12:00] <theillusiveman> weird
[12:01] <BluesKaj> uhoh you have that bug ...it's becoming more common ...let me check some stuff
[12:01] <theillusiveman> does the aplay -l output saying device_list:252: no soundcards found. mean anything?
[12:01] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:10] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, there's one more thing to try , open in the krunner . kdesudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf , add this line to the bottom , then save the file , options snd-hda-intel index=0 . this makes the kernel module driver stick after loading , then reboot again
[12:16] <theillusiveman> alas blueskaj no luck
[12:17] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, does aplay -l still show no soundcards'
[12:17] <theillusiveman> blueskaj same output
[12:18] <theillusiveman> blueskaj is this problem present in the 32-bit? I would hate to do that on a machine wit 6gb of ram
[12:18] <BluesKaj> ok , well the earlier suggestion about using the older kernel might be the fix , until this bug is solved
[12:19] <theillusiveman> ok, so how would I do that?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> first check to see if pulseaudio is running in system monitor , or ctrl+esc
[12:20] <theillusiveman> I haven't been able to find the 3.8.0-17 in muon
[12:20] <avihay> so I got to the large monitor, I can now move my notifications back to their proper place
[12:21] <theillusiveman> blueskaj yea its rrunnin
[12:21] <avihay> yey for stupid kde bugs
[12:22] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, check your kernels in the grub menu
[12:23] <theillusiveman> when i boot it just asks me to decrypt the hd and then it just boots
[12:23] <theillusiveman> do I gotta press something at some point in there?
[12:25] <h41> how do I tell kubuntu to show me the boot messages during booting?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> you can use the shift key right after the bios screen to bring up grub , but changing the time out in /etc/default/grub the running sudo update grub will make it permanent , GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 ...10 is the number secs grub appears
[12:26] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman,^
[12:27] <theillusiveman> blueskaj and once I'm in there it will let me select the kerneel I want?
[12:29] <BluesKaj> thei yes
[12:35] <theillusiveman> blueskaj no luck there either, the earliest version is 3.8.0-19 and I need 3.8.0-17
[12:38] <BluesKaj> h41, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2034439
[12:40] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, type linux-image in muon , then check for the kernel
[12:41] <theillusiveman> blueskaj yep, the earliest in there is 3.8.0-19
[12:41] <theillusiveman> blueskaj I've downloaded a tar.gz of the kernnel I need, but I dunno what to do from there
[12:48] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, extract the file , then look for a deb file , if one exists , cd in the terminal to that folder then do sudo dpkg -i "name of kernel"
[12:49] <BluesKaj> or linux image , theillusiveman
[12:51] <h41> BluesKaj, thank you but I think this will get me only the Kernel Messages. I want to see the messages from init
[12:53] <BluesKaj> h41, why , are you having application / daemon startup issues
[12:53] <BluesKaj> ?
[12:59] <Diemex> heyo anyone out there?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> h41, http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-57814.html
[13:00] <h41> BluesKaj, when send the comp to sleep, he doesnt wake up again and i want to know the problem. but i wanted to figure it out by myself and therefore i have to see the inti process
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> h41: It might already be a reported bug
[13:01] <theillusiveman> blueskaj weird, no .deb file, just a debian folder. It seems that ubuntu does not want to host that kernel
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> Diemex: We are
[13:01] <BluesKaj> Diemex, obviously , yes
[13:01] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman: You clicked into the meta code?
[13:02] <smartboyhw_> The kernel does have a full structure;P
[13:02] <theillusiveman> I'm in waaay over my ead I think
[13:02] <h41> smartboyhw, thanks for the information. I suspected that.
[13:03] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, I've never had a reason so far to regress to an older kernel by having to install one , so perhaps someone with that experience can help ,,,guys?
[13:03] <Diemex> I'm trying to get my Optimus Nvidia card to run under Kubuntu 13.04. It's just nor working at all
[13:03] <Diemex> I have already wasted 2 hours on it
[13:04] <smartboyhw_> Meh, graphics again
[13:04] <BluesKaj> Diemex, tried bumblebee ?
[13:05] <Diemex> BluesKaj: Yes I have it running
[13:05] <theillusiveman> riA
[13:05] <Diemex> BluesKaj: But my system is in low graphics mode, if I open the nvidia-settings it tells me that I haven't got the driver runnin
[13:06] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman: Try https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/3.8.0-17.27
[13:06] <smartboyhw_> There are the .deb files
[13:06] <smartboyhw_> !nvidia
[13:07] <smartboyhw_> Diemex: ^ and probably you'll have to install the proper driver
[13:07] <BluesKaj> Diemex, I thought the other gpu/driver took over with an auto switch in low graphics mode , so thenvidia driver won't be running in that mode
[13:08] <theillusiveman> smartboyhw_ thats the one I downloaded
[13:08] <Diemex> For my system to run I need the nvidia driver and bumblebee correct?
[13:08] <theillusiveman> smartboyhw_ of the 3 files for download I grabbed the first one that was 101mb
[13:08] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, look here , this may fix your audio problem , https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily
[13:09] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[13:10] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman:NOT THAT 3
[13:11] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman: Hmm
[13:11] <smartboyhw_> You are correct...
[13:11] <theillusiveman> smartboyhw_ then what should I download there?
[13:11] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman: Try dget -x the .dsc file
[13:12] <smartboyhw_> Using the internet link
[13:12] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, you may not need to install a different kernel , check out my post above
[13:12] <smartboyhw_> This wi help you to download and unzip the whole 3 files into a directory
[13:12] <smartboyhw_> BluesKaj: I agree though
[13:12] <theillusiveman> blueskaj trying it now
[13:12] <h41> BlueKaj, if I get your link right, I have to modify the /etc/init/kdm.conf but I don't have that file.
[13:13] <smartboyhw_> BluesKaj: I never recommend daily PPAs:P
[13:14] <theillusiveman> blueskaj, so I added the ppa, now wwat, just apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> h41, neither do I , guess the page is outdated
[13:15] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, yes
[13:16] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw_, it's known bug ...had to use it myself
[13:16] <theillusiveman> bluekaj, alas no new packages
[13:16] <BluesKaj> dist-upgrade
[13:17] <h41> BluesKaj, do you have an idea for some more keywords for google to solve the problem?
[13:17] <smartboyhw_> BluesKaj: Sure. We might have to SRU the fix then.
[13:19] <BluesKaj> h41, afraid not , sorry
[13:19] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, run sudo apt-get install  oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms
[13:21] <h41> BluesKaj, no problem. Do you think it would help to come bakc to #kubuntu at a later time and ask the question again?
[13:22] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw_, perhaps you can help h41 , ...he wants to see the init.d text during boot
[13:23] <smartboyhw_> h41, BluesKaj: I can't… But h41 what computer are you having?
[13:23] <smartboyhw_> Very likely a kernel problem
[13:23] <theillusiveman> blueskaj ran it, sould I reboot?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, did it install successfully ?
[13:24] <BluesKaj> no errors  etc , we need to be careful here
[13:24] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman: If it installs successfully, reboot
[13:25] <theillusiveman> blueskaj yes it did
[13:25] <theillusiveman> rebooting
[13:25] <BluesKaj> ok reboot
[13:28] <h41> smartboyhw_, software, hardware? what do you need to know?
[13:29] <blume> hi
[13:30] <theillusiveman> and rebooted,  oundill no s
[13:31] <smartboyhw_> uh oh
[13:31] <theillusiveman> I mean, rebooted, still no sound lol
[13:32] <theillusiveman> been up all night
[13:32] <smartboyhw_> uh oh
[13:32] <smartboyhw_> That's weird
[13:32] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, does aplay -l show any soundcards
[13:33] <theillusiveman> blueskaj, nope same output
[13:34] <theillusiveman> smartboyhw_ ran the dget succesfully
[13:34] <BluesKaj> what about alsamixer
[13:36] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, run sudo apt-get remove  oem-audio-hda-daily-dkms
[13:36] <BluesKaj> the open muon repositories and remove the ppa you just added
[13:36] <theillusiveman> blueskaj removed and still no alsamixer
[13:36] <BluesKaj> then
[13:37] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman, , I'm out of ideas , that bug has been around for a few weeks but there doesn't seem to be a fix for it yet
[13:38] <theillusiveman> blueskaj, thanks for all your help anyways, I need to go sleep now lol, we'll see what happens
[13:39] <smartboyhw_> theillusiveman: You seriously want to try building the kernel?
[13:39] <BluesKaj> thei make sure you remove the ppa first
[13:39] <BluesKaj> theillusiveman,^
[13:40] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw_, this is becoming a serious problem with intel audio drivers ...personally i think it's pulseaudio issue '
[13:42] <smartboyhw_> BluesKaj: Boo Pulseaudio
[13:42] <BluesKaj> this is 4th or 5th guy in the last few days with this "no soundcards" issue on intel audio
[13:43] <BluesKaj> it would be interesting to see if alsa works on it's own , withot pulse
[13:43] <BluesKaj> without
[13:44] <h41> smartboyhw, which information do you mean when you say "what computer"?
[13:45] <smartboyhw_> h41: The model
[13:45] <smartboyhw_> CPU
[13:45] <theillusiveman> smartboyhw_ I will but I must retire now, I've been messing with this thing obsessively for the last 7 ours straight
[13:45] <smartboyhw_> *computer model
[13:48] <h41> smartboyhw: it's a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz
[13:59] <Diemex> Stupid Graphics drivers y u hat me soo much
[14:03] <BluesKaj> Diemex, the optimus graphics system isn't very linux friendly I'm afraid , but here's a video that might help http://linux-hybrid-graphics.blogspot.ca/
[14:12] <h41> smartboyhw, did you get the msg about the CPU model?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> h41: No and plz give me the computer model as well
[14:14] <h41> smartboyhw: it's a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2500K CPU @ 3.30GHz and what do you mean with computer model? it's a custom build desktop pc
[14:15] <smartboyhw> h41: Custom build? :O You are rich
[14:16] <smartboyhw> Intel's CPU should work though, is it Sandy bridge?
[14:17] <h41> smartboy: ah maybe it's my lack of language knowledge or my lack of IT knowledge but I don't think we talk about the same things ; >
[14:17] <smartboyhw> h41: ?
[14:18] <h41> smartboyhw: I don't really get what you mean by coputerr model
[14:18] <smartboyhw> h41: Forget it, your computer is custom build…
[14:19] <h41> smartboyhw: yes, i bought all parts and build them together by myself
[14:20] <h41> smartboyhw: and this is the processor http://ark.intel.com/products/52209
[14:20] <smartboyhw> h41: What's the chipset?
[14:26] <h41> smartboyhw: after failed to find it out by myself, how can I see which chipset I have?
[14:27] <smartboyhw> h41: Go to your motherboard's product websitr
[14:28] <smartboyhw> *website
[14:28] <smartboyhw> There should have the chipset listed
[14:30] <h41> smartboyhw: allright, Intel® Z68 Express Chipset
[14:30] <BluesKaj> which HW chipset , graphics ?
[14:33] <h41> smartboyhw, BluesKaj: this is the mainboard if you need additional informations http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=3897#ov
[14:35] <smartboyhw> OK let me search… BluesKaj can you also search bugs for that CPU and chipset in "linux" package on LP?
[14:47] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, I still don't know what h41 is looking for in the boot text , what he's trying to track down would help
[14:47] <OerHeks> h41, Question: did you ever see an error during boot, missing intel-microcode ? i have AMD, i was missing amd-microcode, installing this package solved issues with newer CPU's
[14:48] <OerHeks> else you acpi is configured wrong in your bios, if your system does not come out of sleep
[14:50] <h41> BluesKaj, allright to get to the point. i've played around with getting an ntfs drive in fstab. when booting the kernel mesgs pass by then the screen goes black and normaly there would be the login screen after some time. BUT after i added the ntfs entry, the screen wasn't changing from black to login screen and i dont know why so i started recovery mode and there was a message saying it was unable to mount because the ntfs driver could not
[14:50] <h41>  be loaded press s to skip or m to try again. long story short i want to see such messages when a boot fails
[14:52] <h41> OerHeks: thanks OerHerks for your help about the sleep mode but that seems to be a known bug and i can live with hibernating the system (echo disk >> /sys/power/state) my real problem is, i want to see the init messages during boot like in the old times.
[14:55] <h41> BluesKaj, smartboyhw, OerHeks: this message describes my wish exactly https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-June/261258.html
[14:58] <BluesKaj> h41, the ntfs drive can be added in fstab , if your run a sudo blkid and copy the UUID to it  like so, this is my external drive entry in fstab , just substitute ntfs for ext4. : UUID=4b38b3eb-e7aa-4369-a645-3736f7edcecc /media/External ext4     defaults       0       1  Make sure you leave the quotation marks out when copying from the blkid output
[15:05] <fractaline> hi BluesKaj
[15:05] <BluesKaj> hi fractaline
[15:07] <h41> BluesKaj: thanks, i figured that out with google but what was bugging me was the situation i postet and that the OS didn't tell me i have to do an input for retry or skip the failed operation
[15:11] <BluesKaj> h41, you shouldn't be getting that constant drive check if your fstab entry is correct
[15:16] <h41> BluesKaj: sorry, Ishould have mentioned when I got that error, the line in fstab was incorrect(can't remeber which part of it)
[15:19] <BluesKaj> h41, ok so are you getting a proper boot into the desktop from the login now ?
[15:22] <h41> BluesKaj: yes, the question was future orientated for if I get a similar error in the future the OS will tell me and not quietly sitting there with a black screen leaving me searching for hours what the problem is
[15:23] <BluesKaj> h41, at first that description reminded me of some graphics driver issues some users have reported
[15:24] <h41> BluesKaj: sorry, i should work on my "asking a question" skills
[15:25] <fractaline> :)
[15:25] <BluesKaj> I can see where this symptom can lead to soem real confusion
[15:25] <BluesKaj> some
[15:25] <fractaline> i have so man questions i'm not sure where to start
[15:26] <fractaline> many!
[15:26] <BluesKaj> h41, no need to be sorry , it's good to know there are other issues that have to be considered when the login fails to start x and the desktop
[15:59] <BluesKaj> fractaline, so what's your most important question :) ?
[16:00] <fractaline> good question   ;)
[16:00] <BluesKaj> hehe
[16:01] <BluesKaj> then just pick one
[16:02] <fractaline> there are so many applications for everything,  now i've installed kubuntu over ubuntu i have a mix up of default apps
[16:03] <fractaline> i'm wondering if i should / could purge some stuff?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> so what are your most used application types
[16:04] <BluesKaj> that are duplicated
[16:05] <BluesKaj> well you could do purekde , but Idon't know if it's been setup for 13.04 yet
[16:05] <fractaline> web browser, file browser ,bittorrent
[16:06] <BluesKaj> a few gtk apps that browsers use are required , especially for firefox
[16:06] <Husar> What typo of encryption is use to encrypt home dir? (option in installation process)
[16:06] <Husar> type*
[16:06] <fractaline> the thing is i want to use / learn new things
[16:08] <BluesKaj> well you could purge nautlius , some of the media players , install ktorrent
[16:08] <BluesKaj> if it isn't already installed
[16:08] <fractaline> yeah banshee has got to go
[16:09] <fractaline> seems to be there
[16:09] <BluesKaj> VLC is desktop agnostic so it runs and looks the same on most linux OSs
[16:09] <BluesKaj> and dektops
[16:10] <fractaline> it's what i've always used
[16:10]  * BluesKaj nods
[16:10] <fractaline> i guess i'm just exploring
[16:11] <fractaline> no issues to solve just a lot of curiosity
[16:19] <fractaline> so i've got muon update manager and software updater, yesterday muon said i did not have proper authentication but did not give the option to input password so i used software updater
[16:22] <BluesKaj> fractaline, you could run ,sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[16:22] <fractaline> i was considering that
[16:22] <fractaline> no harm in it right?
[16:23] <fractaline> if i really missed something i could reinstall
[16:23] <fractaline> an app that is
[16:26] <fractaline> BluesKaj, would you recommend it?
[16:26] <BluesKaj> yes
[16:26] <BluesKaj> you already have kubuntu-desktop installed , right ?
[16:27] <BluesKaj> fractaline,^
[16:28] <fractaline> yes even grub says i'm runnig kubuntu as i've done 2 upgrades since
[16:28] <BluesKaj> I used the synaptic package manager for yrs until muon finally got mature enough to trust as a package guide and reference
[16:29] <fractaline> hmm i see,  that is one i used a bit
[16:29] <fractaline> muon is equal?
[16:29] <BluesKaj> I'd say it is now
[16:30] <BluesKaj> synaptic was becoming slow to load and run so i finally gave it up
[16:34] <fractaline> yeah i think i'll gor for it
[18:03] <Jeruvy> Trying to ping and cannot, and its not working.  Ping works everywhere else except IN to this box.
[18:06] <Jeruvy> Also trying to vnc into box isn't working.  ssh does work.  I disabled ufw, but is there something else I may be missing?
[18:10] <BluesKaj> using network manager , Jeruvy?
[18:11] <Jeruvy> BluesKaj not intentionally. :)
[18:12] <BluesKaj> for your netwoking settings
[18:14] <BluesKaj> like vnc
[18:15] <Jeruvy> VNC doesn't work anymore
[18:16] <Jeruvy> my understanding is it uses knetworkmanager, but I can't see it.
[18:19] <BluesKaj> !Krfb | Jeruvy
[18:19] <Jeruvy> So using krfb how does one automate remote login?
[18:20] <Jeruvy> (ie: I don't want to send permission requests)
[18:20] <Jeruvy> removing it seemed out of the question.  Wanted to do a kde-full removal.
[18:22] <BluesKaj> Jeruvy, don't know much about it , just that it's described as http://pastebin.com/GryrwVHv
[18:23] <Jeruvy> And for some reason the machine is blocking my vnc requests to 5900.  I do not know why.
[18:25] <BluesKaj> Krfb isn't installed by default here
[18:28] <Jeruvy> I'm curious how you did that.
[18:29] <BluesKaj> Ilooked up the description of Kfrb in muon and copied pasted the text to www.pastebin.com then copied the resulting URL after submitting the text
[18:31] <BluesKaj> and pasted the url here, which automtically creates a link to that page
[18:31] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[18:42] <Jeruvy> Ok, got the pings working.
[19:16] <SymeonT> hi people! would you recomment me a nice & easy program for podcaste creation in Ubuntu? thnx
[19:17] <SymeonT> *podcast
[19:20] <BluesKaj> !podcast | SymeonT
[19:20] <BluesKaj> hmm
[19:21] <SymeonT> i searched in wikipedia... probably i should use the term "screencast"
[19:23] <BluesKaj> SymeonT, look in muon, podcast
[19:24] <SymeonT> BluesKaj: thank you! omw searching this
[19:48] <Diemex> I'm using kubuntu 13.04 and was wondering if it's possible to "forward" selected keyboard shortcuts to an app that isn't in focus? Usecase: I'm debugging an app so I'm using the app and have breakpoints in my ide, now I want to press a button to go to the next breakpoint while I'm in my app
[20:04] <lars> I'm having problems installing Kubuntu 12.04
[20:04] <lars> Is there an expert here who can help me?
[20:09] <Diemex> lars: I'm not an expert but what's your proble?
[20:10] <jussi> Hi Lars, whats the issue?
[21:05] <juniormendonca> network issues... someone can help?
[21:19] <BluesKaj> juniormendonca, ok what's happening with your network ?
[21:21] <Unirgy> hi, in `ps -o ??` what is the identifier of current, NOT cumulative cpu utilization? thanks
[21:24] <juniormendonca> i'm getting network instable,
[21:24] <juniormendonca> using it now... and simply stops working
[21:25] <juniormendonca> and conection comes back by itself with no intervention
[21:26] <juniormendonca> that happened right now
[21:26] <juniormendonca> kubuntu 12.04 x64
[21:27] <juniormendonca> BluesKaj: i can use network with no complications on Linux Mint
[21:27] <BluesKaj> just your irc server or thepc/ modem / router connection to the internet
[21:27] <juniormendonca> connections to the internet
[21:27] <juniormendonca> my pc conection to internet
[21:28] <juniormendonca> i think MAYBE my driver can be updated
[21:28] <juniormendonca> but i don't know how on linux
[21:28] <BluesKaj> first check the physical connections
[21:28] <juniormendonca> i'm windows user
[21:28] <juniormendonca> physicals ok
[21:28] <juniormendonca> checked already
[21:29] <palasso> juniormendonca, had no issue on Linux Mint?
[21:29] <BluesKaj> ethernet or wifi ?
[21:29] <juniormendonca> exatly palasso
[21:29] <palasso> What version of Linux Mint was it?
[21:29] <juniormendonca> eth
[21:29] <juniormendonca> the last one don't remember exatly
[21:30] <palasso> Linux Mint 14 Nadia?
[21:30] <juniormendonca> Nadia
[21:30] <juniormendonca> thats it
[21:30] <palasso> Ok
[21:30] <palasso> 64-bit?
[21:30] <juniormendonca> with nadia x86 network OK
[21:30] <juniormendonca> with kubuntu x86 and x64 network fails
[21:31] <palasso> kubuntu 12.04?
[21:31] <juniormendonca> yes
[21:31] <palasso> I'm asking because I'm trying to figure out which versions of kernel you had in each case
[21:31] <juniormendonca> can u see any light?
[21:31] <palasso> You said you're using eth right? So no proprietary driver right?
[21:32] <juniormendonca> so i tell u that network ok using windows too
[21:32] <juniormendonca> man. I can't confirm that
[21:32] <palasso> Is it ethernet?
[21:33] <juniormendonca> ethernet
[21:33] <juniormendonca> can't confirm about proprietary driver
[21:33] <palasso> could you find from menu the "additional drivers" program?
[21:34] <palasso> If you use any proprietary driver it should list it there
[21:35] <juniormendonca> trying to launch app
[21:35] <palasso> Kubuntu 12.04 with kernel 3.2 64-bit seems to have the problem and Linux Mint 14 with kernel 3.5 32-bit seems to work ok. I would try out a more recent version of Kubuntu in case it'd change sth.
[21:35] <palasso> Does this disconnection happen often?
[21:36] <juniormendonca> frequently
[21:36] <juniormendonca> curiously right now we got no problem
[21:36] <juniormendonca> upgrading OS
[21:36] <juniormendonca> maybe fixed it ...
[21:37] <palasso> I'd try to test it with a liveCD on Kubuntu 12.10 or even 13.04 in case it'd happen
[21:37] <juniormendonca> i got liveCD and same situation
[21:37] <juniormendonca> 12.04
[21:37] <palasso> with 12.04?
[21:37] <palasso> Yeah
[21:37] <palasso> So it's reproducible and it's on unchanged liveCD
[21:38] <palasso> Maybe it's a problem on the specific release
[21:38] <palasso> How abt trying out a liveCD with 13.04 or 12.10
[21:39] <palasso> So if my speculation is correct 12.10 32-bit should behave like Linux Mint
[21:39] <juniormendonca> so... no problem about that... but it really seems to be fixed right now
[21:39] <juniormendonca> with OS updating
[21:39] <juniormendonca> upgrading
[21:39] <palasso> I hope it's fixed :)
[21:40] <juniormendonca> so palasso where r u from?
[21:40] <palasso> Though you're still using the old kernel... You need to restart after the distro upgrade for the new kernel to load
[21:40] <juniormendonca> hum.
[21:40] <palasso> But it might not be an issue on the kernel... and it might be fixed anyways
[21:40] <juniormendonca> so I'm not using the updated version yet?
[21:41] <juniormendonca> ok i got it
[21:41] <palasso> You're not using the kernel yet. The other parts are getting loaded from disk as they're needed so they're the updated ones mostly
[21:41] <palasso> So now you're on 13.04 64-bit?
[21:42] <juniormendonca> how can i see?
[21:43] <juniormendonca> how can i see some "My Computer properties"?
[21:43] <palasso> open a terminal and type: lsb_release -a
[21:44] <palasso> I think there is a module somewhere on KDE system settings as well just don't remember right now where...
[21:44] <juniormendonca> 12.04.2 LTS
[21:44] <juniormendonca> precise
[21:45] <palasso> Ok so that was a regular update...
[21:45] <juniormendonca> upgrading 12.04 to 13.04 with no formatting is no recommended?
[21:45] <juniormendonca> or possible
[21:45] <juniormendonca> ?
[21:46] <palasso> It is possible. You can do it if you want. I just wouldn't recommend it yet. I'd firstly try out the liveCD solution
[21:46] <juniormendonca> just for upgrading and no for fixing that issue
[21:47] <palasso> 12.04 is an LTS release. 13.04 is standard release (support for 9 months only) you might want to stay on LTS. If it persists on LTS then maybe you'd have a better experience on a more recent release if no other solution is found
[21:47] <palasso> if you open up muon package manager there is a button that does that ;)
[21:49] <juniormendonca> i did it
[21:49] <palasso> You may also go from muon's menu to "Software Sources" and change the setting which will notify you every time (every 6 months) a new kubuntu release is available
[21:50] <palasso> You can select there if you want to be notified for newer LTS-only releases (which happen every 2 years next being 14.04), all releases or not getting a notification about newer releases
[21:51] <palasso> juniormendonca, after the update finishes do a restart and then type in terminal lsb_release -a to see the release
[21:51] <palasso> ok I'm out see you tomorrow
[21:51] <juniormendonca> palasso: tks a lot!
[22:04] <jdoles> Why is the package containing kwin dependent on nvidia hardware?
[22:05] <jdoles> Or better said: on nvidia packages rendering amd hardware completely useless?
[22:05] <jdoles> Were you drunk when you packaged this?
[22:10] <BluesKaj> jdoles, we don't package here , take your compaints to #kubuntu-devel ...we provide support only
[22:28] <theillusiveman> hi, I got the notorious Intel hda sound  issue, ran out of solutions here last night, but if anything new comes uo...
[22:55] <jdoles> theillusiveman_: it's not an Intel hda sound issue.
[22:56] <jdoles> theillusiveman_: it's an issue causes by your Kubuntu/Ubuntu packagers.
[22:56] <jdoles> theillusiveman_: sent them your angry letters or just switch to something that does work.
[22:57] <jdoles> theillusiveman_: for example, running Windows and then some UNIX in a VM.
[22:57] <jdoles> theillusiveman_: I am sure they can get virtual hardware working, but the real thing is just too difficult for them.