[12:21] <rick_h_> teknico: ping, see the bug about the broken commit. Looks like I have a @class w/o a class name
[12:21] <rick_h_> teknico: in app/widgets/filter.js 
[12:22] <rick_h_> teknico: I'm off at the dealership and off today, but can you see if changing that to @class Filter fixes the doc build?
[12:25] <gary_poster> Thanks rick_h_.  I'll make sure he sees that.  On another note, I'd really like to have your charm browser default branch changed to work with a feature flag, and merged.  That will block us soon, otherwise.  I might ask someone on the GUI team to do that, unless you guide me differently
[12:26] <gary_poster> Does that sound ok to you?
[12:26] <rick_h_> gary_poster: I'm back Wed and I can look at it then. If you need it before then feel free to run with it. 
[12:26] <gary_poster> cool thanks rick_h_ .  I hope you are enjoying some time off. :-)
[12:26] <rick_h_> nice zoo trip yesterday for sure
[12:27] <rick_h_> cool to connect grandpa and grandson and watch them go nuts 
[12:27] <gary_poster> :-) cool
[12:39]  * bac reboots
[13:13] <bac> benji: i got an email from linkedin today that said in effect "we see you don't read our weekly emails so we're not going to send them any more to clutter your inbox."  brilliant.
[13:13] <benji> bac: are you proposing we implement the same for launchpad? :)
[13:14] <bac> benji: i'm sure william and steven will get right on that
[13:14] <gary_poster> he said "we" :-)
[14:07] <hatch> morning
[14:07] <gary_poster> morning
[14:07] <gary_poster> teknico, you around?
[14:07] <teknico> gary_poster: yep, hi
[14:07] <gary_poster> hey teknico.  did you see Rick's message to you earlier?
[14:08] <teknico> gary_poster: oh, I did not, thanks.
[14:08] <gary_poster> both irc and code review
[14:08] <gary_poster> cool
[14:08] <gary_poster> welcome
[14:08] <teknico> gary_poster: I changed IRC program and apparently I did not set up alarms correctly
[14:08] <gary_poster> :-)
[14:08] <teknico> gary_poster: I was going through exactly that file :-)
[14:09] <gary_poster> cool :-)
[14:09] <gary_poster> teknico, what IRC program?  xchat does not make me as happy as I would like
[14:10] <teknico> rick_h_: it does fix things! thanks
[14:11] <teknico> gary_poster: pidgin
[14:11] <teknico> gary_poster: when I was on KDE I used kopete for chat and quassel for IRC
[14:12] <teknico> gary_poster: now I went back to pidgin (that I had used before), and its IRC support is not bad at all, one program for both things :-)
[14:13] <gary_poster> teknico, ah right, I remember pidgin.  maybe I'll give that another whirl.  thanks!
[14:13] <teknico> gary_poster: once I have the highlight working, it'll be even better ;-)
[14:14] <gary_poster> heh
[14:14] <hatch> heh I forgot about pidgin as well
[14:16] <teknico> pity that bzr does not support updating single files or directories, only whole branches, bisection would be easier
[14:17] <hatch> really?
[14:19] <teknico> hatch: that's what it said when I tried :-)
[14:22] <hatch_> :/ today is looking like i'll be one of those 'bad internet days'
[14:23] <benji> same here, except my internet is fine, my stupid laptop just can't stay connected
[14:32] <bac> eek, our sandbox and tests reference 'landscape.com', which is a real web site.
[14:35] <bac> hi luca.  i'd like to chat when you have a few minutes
[14:35] <teknico> ok, smaller MP like, *ever*, what do I win? ;-) https://codereview.appspot.com/9582044/
[14:36] <bac> teknico: you win two very fast reviews
[14:37] <luca> bac: Sure, I'm in meetings for the next hour or so. Is there something in particular you wanted to discuss?
[14:37] <bac> teknico: i once had to make a one character change when being contracted out to IBM once.  i think the turn-around was about a week.
[14:38] <bac> luca: yeah, visual display for new services that don't yet have their charm loaded and therefore cannot make relations to other services because the endpoints aren't known.
[14:38] <teknico> bac: that's still less than one day per bit! ;-)
[14:43] <teknico> uhm, headers in codereview emails contain nothing that identifyes the project they're for
[14:43] <teknico> have to filter on the body, apparently :-P
[14:43] <teknico> *identifies
[14:49] <teknico> and even that's not possible, sigh :-(
[14:51] <hatch> teknico: the subject line shows the repo to merge into
[14:51] <hatch> could you use that?
[14:51] <teknico> hatch: subject is: "Fix crash when making code docs. (issue 9582044)"
[14:52] <hatch> ohh wrong email :)
[14:52] <hatch> I just use threading - it works well enough
[14:53] <teknico> hatch: but then it preempts you from reading messages, and shares email state with your friends ;-)
[14:59] <hatch> shares email state with friends?
[15:02] <teknico> hatch: yeah, you know, threading as preemptive, state-sharing concurrency :-)
[15:03] <hatch> oh man I'm confused
[15:03] <gary_poster> alejandraobregon, are you or luca going to be at the gui mtg now-ish?
[15:03] <gary_poster> arosales, guessing you will join soon
[15:03]  * hatch is guessing this isn't the daily meeting
[15:03] <arosales> sorry yes coming got tied up in a ir conversation
[15:03] <gary_poster> no :-)
[15:03] <luca> gary_poster: Ale is in a meeting which should of wrapped up 5 mins ago, I'll see if she's avail
[15:04] <gary_poster> thanks luca.
[15:50] <gary_poster> jujugui call in 10; please kanban your kanban
[15:52] <hatch> "yo I heard you like to kanban, so I put a kanban in your kanban"
[15:52] <benji> actually, that might be kinda cool: each card is itself a kanban board with subtasks moving through it
[15:53] <hatch> in 3d!
[15:53] <hatch> requires oculus rift to use
[15:53] <Makyo> :|
[15:53] <hatch> Makyo: lol!!
[15:53]  * benji registers kanban-xzibit.com
[15:53] <hatch> haha
[15:57] <bcsaller> I got to try the oculus at IO, the head tracking was great but the resolution was lower than I expected
[15:59] <gary_poster> call in 2
[16:03] <bac> benji: isn't that *exactly* what that "how to find JS memory leaks" page told you not to do?  :)
[16:19] <hatch> bcsaller: but better than the Virtual Boy I hope ;)
[16:21] <benji> memory leak fix review: https://codereview.appspot.com/9590043
[16:22] <hatch> benji: should that not be Y.merge(db.services.visible()) ?
[16:23] <hatch> curious more than anything
[16:23] <hatch> then it should clean up automatically no?
[16:23] <benji> hatch: define "that"
[16:23] <hatch> instead of creating a new var and then calling reset
[16:23] <hatch> create a clone of the object
[16:24] <hatch> or would that not give us the outcome we want
[16:39] <bcsaller> gary_poster, hatch back in chat now if its still a good time
[16:39] <gary_poster> ok bcsaller joining thanks
[16:39] <hatch> sure 1 min
[17:07] <benji> hatch: nope it wouldn't give us the result we want because toBoundingBoxes uses some of ModelList's functionality to do its work.
[17:13]  * benji lunches
[17:23] <gary_poster> oh bcsaller sorry one more thing
[17:23] <gary_poster> bcsaller, guichat once more?  apologies, but probably quick
[17:23] <bcsaller> brt
[17:24] <hatch> benji: ahh ok - just curious really :)
[17:52] <Makyo> Welp.  Started a load of laundry forgetting that the dryer was dead.  Will duck out to the laundromat with wifi later.
[17:53] <hatch> Makyo: the other day I suggested to my wife that we get a clothes line...she just glared at me
[17:53] <hatch> lol
[17:53] <Makyo> Hah, yeah, if it weren't going to rain later, I'd just set that back up.
[18:13] <benji> thanks for the reviews, hatch and Makyo
[18:13] <hatch> no problem - glad it was an easy fix :)
[18:58] <Makyo> Alright, running to the laundromat.  Should only be a few.
[19:14] <rick_h_> gary_poster: just hopping in and don't have my 2fa with me to do it proper, but your bug #1182163 looks like #1175019 which had a fix that corrected some css stuff. Can you make sure all cache/appcache/etc is clear and verify/re-open up the previous bug if you get a sec?
[19:14] <_mup_> Bug #1182163: charmbrowser can add unwanted space at the top of the screen <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182163>
[19:14] <_mup_> Bug #1175019: staging has issue with black bar at top of fullscreen charm details <charmbrowser> <juju-gui:Fix Committed by huwshimi> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175019>
[19:15] <gary_poster> rick_h_, ack, will do
[19:15] <gary_poster> thanks
[19:31] <hatch> hi rick_h_ cool picks on G+
[19:33] <hatch> speaking of G+ it just suggested a group that I'm definitely interested in but have never indicated that interest on G+
[19:33] <hatch> creepy....or cool? :)
[19:35] <sinzui> I'm hating life at the moment. I see a dark-grey in the canvas/browser space when I run 'make devel'
[19:35] <hatch> hmm....any errors in the console or terminal?
[19:38] <sinzui> nothing that leaps to mind as the issue. This is the only error
[19:38] <sinzui> Cannot read property 'dndexport' of undefined 
[19:38] <hatch> ohh that
[19:39] <hatch> delete your trunk folder
[19:39] <hatch> re-checkout
[19:39] <sinzui> ouch
[19:39] <sinzui> can I make clean?
[19:39] <hatch> you can try - along with refreshing a bunch
[19:39] <hatch> but I had to make a full new checkout
[19:39] <sinzui> well, I will try then get brutal as needed
[19:42] <hatch> bcsaller: you probably saw the web components talk hey?
[19:46] <sinzui> thank you hatch. I did have to do a fresh checkout/tree
[19:47] <hatch> no problem :) I am going to blame bzr for that one - for some reason it woudln't merge the remote trunk changes in to the local trunk
[19:47] <hatch> I really have no idea why
[19:50] <benji> I'm doing QA for a release and I noticed this error: "Port error: Could not establish connection. Receiving end does not exist."
[19:50] <benji> jujugui: is that ^^^ something that other people have seen?  Any ideas as to the cause?
[19:50] <hatch> hmm I've never seen that one before
[19:51] <bac> benji: i've never seen it either
[19:51] <gary_poster> benji me either.  look at config and seeif it is pointing to staging.jujucharms.com
[19:51] <gary_poster> if so, change to manage
[19:51]  * benji looks
[19:51] <gary_poster> .jujucharms.com
[19:51] <gary_poster> is my suggestion
[19:52] <benji> gary_poster: yep it was (which is the default), I'll retry and see if the error goes away
[19:52] <gary_poster> cool benji.  I think we ought to switch default to manage
[19:52] <benji> gary_poster: same error
[19:53] <gary_poster> benji, oh well :-) sorry
[20:00] <bcsaller> hatch: missed you question before, yes I saw more than one related to it
[20:01] <hatch> there is a lot of hype in the internets about it - I'm a little worried that they will become the new 'copy paste coding'
[20:01] <hatch> thoughts?
[20:03] <bcsaller> hatch: It could be fine, but I suspect for many initial cases its a move away from the 'structured data + styling' that we worked hard to get towards. One of the examples was TodoApp in a component tag which is clearly very wrong, but people that haven't though about it might see little wrong with that 
[20:04] <hatch> yeah I saw that and I was screaming noooooo in my head haha
[20:04] <bcsaller> but many of the polyfills are really nice out of polymer, uniform access to mutation observers and pointer events and so on
[20:05] <hatch> yeah I actually have the polymer page open to read when I have some time :)
[20:19] <Makyo> \o/
[20:28] <gary_poster> :-) yay Makyo 
[20:31] <hatch> are we cheering about getting to the laundomat?
[20:35] <gary_poster> getting back on freenode, despite the laundromat and TMobile
[20:36] <hatch> ohhh
[20:36] <hatch> does TMobile suck? I like their motorbike commercials
[20:36] <hatch> benji: out of curiosity do you have Chrome installed? and could you see what error you get in Chrome?
[20:36] <hatch> I think I know the bug you are seeing
[20:37] <benji> hatch: I was using Chromium
[20:37] <hatch> yeah, do you have Chrome?
[20:37] <hatch> Chromium and Chrome are actually pretty different on a lot of odd instances :)
[20:37] <benji> hatch: nope
[20:38] <benji> I filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-gui/+bug/1182215
[20:38] <_mup_> Bug #1182215: Port error: Could not establish connection. Receiving end does not exist.  <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1182215>
[20:38] <hatch> alright I'll grab my laptop and see what error I get in chromium
[20:38] <hatch> I am pretty sure it's a known issue caused by the ws not being open when we try to request it the first time
[20:42] <hatch> at least though the chromium browser gives an error that makes sense vs the one chrome gives hah
[20:43] <hatch> which of course I can't reproduce now
[20:44] <benji> gary_poster: this release will be the first after we applied the AGPL.  Is that OK?
[20:44] <gary_poster> benji, sounds fine to me, but since you are asking, I probably am not thinking of something. :-)  what am I forgetting?
[20:46] <benji> gary_poster: heh, I wasn't sure if we had 100% approval yet.  I don't /think/ it would be bad to release and change our minds later, as Canonical has contributed 100% of the code thus far, and could change the license if need be.
[20:47] <gary_poster> benji, ah ok.  yeah, AGPL is the pre-approved default.  you have to get permission for anything else, at least as a simplistic summary.  so, thanks for asking, but yeah, I think we are OK to go ahead with AGPL
[20:47] <benji> cool
[20:48] <benji> I just noticed while writing up the change list (which is huge, by the way; by far the largest of any release yet)
[20:54] <hatch> benji: just fyi - I wasn't able to reproduce your error on chromium
[20:54] <hatch> on trunk
[20:54] <hatch> using rapi
[20:55] <benji> hatch: thanks for looking.  hmm, that makes me wonder if the error is actually coming from a browser extension; I'll note that in the bug and try it out after I get the release out
[21:04] <gary_poster> bac, if you are around, I never checked with you--did my reply to fwereade makes sense to you?
[21:05] <bac> gary_poster: yes.  i wasn't thinking clearly at 6am on a saturday
[21:05] <gary_poster> bac, can't imagine why :-)
[21:05] <gary_poster> surprised you were at a computer!
[21:06] <bac> no, i left IRC up and it started beeping at me
[21:06] <gary_poster> heh
[21:06] <bac> curse of leaving the laptop in bedroom
[21:06] <gary_poster> yeah, mine is on other side of house; if I forget to turn the volume down it can still get me though
[21:47] <hatch> gary_poster: not sure if you're still around - but did UX give any idea as to when they would have the new inspector designs? or something resembling one?
[21:49] <gary_poster> no hatch, though they know we need it soon.  For now dupe what we have.  That's easy, yeah?
[21:50] <hatch> oh yeah definitely
[21:50] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[21:51] <hatch> gary_poster: another yui contributor and I are going to write a cli tool to search the yui api this week
[21:51] <gary_poster> cool, hatch!
[21:51] <hatch> should bigtime speed up development time when needing to reference the api
[21:51] <gary_poster> very nice
[22:31] <hatch> I'm getting some very odd rendering issues with this new panel stuff
[22:31] <hatch> I am rendering the new widget into #content
[22:32] <hatch> but it's being positioned by....something ?
[22:32] <hatch> position: absolute;
[22:32] <hatch> left: 1494px;
[22:32] <hatch> top: -87px;
[22:32] <hatch> I set the position absolute but the others?
[22:32] <hatch> anyone have any ideas?
[22:43] <hatch> nm found it
[22:43] <hatch> just me being an idiot
[22:56] <hatch> bcsaller: great doc!
[22:58] <bcsaller> hatch: ha thanks. I owe gary for giving it a touch up prior to publishing