[05:15] <shadeslayer> kubotu: weather
[06:33] <soee_> good morning
[07:42] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:48] <Riddell> "apachelogger expired from team" "echidnaman expired from team" "david.wonderly expired from team" eek we have only half a council!
[08:50] <valorie> woah
[08:50] <valorie> in a few hours, perhaps you can ping them by voice
[08:50] <valorie> :-)
[09:11] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon Kubuntu devs and contributors and users:)
[09:11] <soee> and those that we cant classify ?
[09:13] <smartboyhw> soee: Yeah sure
[10:25] <Mamarok> don't you guys want to announce 4.10.3 on kubuntu.org?
[10:31] <Riddell> yes I'll get onto that
[11:09] <Quintasan> \o
[11:20] <Darkwing> Morning guys
[11:21] <Riddell> hi Darkwing, Quintasan 
[11:22] <Darkwing> 3 1/2 hours till mumble meeting.
[11:23] <Quintasan> gotta do my uni stuff by then  I guess
[11:34] <Quintasan> haha
[11:34] <Quintasan> looks like I won't be able to talk xD
[11:35] <Darkwing> Because of a mumble issue or uni issue?
[11:35] <Quintasan> voice issue
[11:35] <Darkwing> Oh crap
[11:36] <Quintasan> During the weeekend I've been giving lectures on a con and now I sound like I've inhaled some helium
[11:36] <Darkwing> :D
[11:41] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:43] <smartboyhw> I'm out of Mumble today…
[11:43] <smartboyhw> Meh, biology test
[11:43] <Darkwing> hey BluesKaj
[11:44] <Darkwing> Sorry to hear that smartboyhw
[11:44] <BluesKaj> Hi Darkwing
[11:44] <Quintasan> Christ.
[11:44] <Darkwing> Riddell: was there an agenda for the mumble meeting anywhere?
[11:45] <smartboyhw> I want to add one...
[11:45] <Riddell> Darkwing: no, do start one
[11:51] <Darkwing> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting/May
[11:58] <Darkwing> agenda up and email sent to kubu-devel
[12:06] <Riddell> thanks
[12:15] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: ping
[12:18] <yofel> sorry about the .3 announcement Riddell, I forgot it again -.-
[12:18] <yofel> are you taking care of it?
[12:20] <Quintasan> HURRR
[12:20] <Quintasan> yofel: You don't happen to know Java, do you?
[12:20] <yofel> Quintasan: I do, what's the problem?
[12:21] <Quintasan> I'm trying to make a Binary Tree in Java but I want to use generic types but I can't figure out the comparing part
[12:21] <Quintasan> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5683528
[12:21] <Quintasan> Here is the code
[12:21] <Quintasan> and of course I get error: bad operand types for binary operator '>' for that
[12:22] <Quintasan> but I have no idea how to solve that
[12:23] <Quintasan> It's probably easy but I don't really want to read the whole docs if I can avoid it
[12:26] <Riddell> yofel: I can do it, raring and precise in updates ppa known good?
[12:28] <yofel> Riddell: raring in updates, quantal and precise in backports. IIRC they should be fine, they working in virtualbox, I fixed the copy issue for precise and quantal looks ok
[12:29] <yofel> *worked
[12:32] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing: Can you add a "release cycle" item for me please? So difficult to do on mobile.
[12:32] <smartboyhw_> Or rather, "release milestones"
[12:33] <Darkwing> smartboyhw_: meaning?
[12:34] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing: How many Alphas should we release.
[12:34] <Darkwing> I got ya.
[12:34] <Quintasan> yofel: Any ideas?
[12:34] <yofel> Quintasan: I'm not expert on generic types, but looking
[12:34] <Quintasan> Mmkay, thanks
[12:37] <Darkwing> smartboyhw_: done
[12:37] <yofel> Quintasan: wait, you're comparing generic objects. There is no direct comparison for objects in java. Comparable has a compareTo() method, use that
[12:37] <Quintasan> hmm
[12:37] <Quintasan> I see
[12:37] <yofel> Quintasan: http://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/lang/Comparable.html
[12:38] <yofel> java, for better or worse, doesn't support operator overloading.
[12:39] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing: Thx. I can't attend the meeting on voice but I will be here..
[12:40] <smartboyhw_> Hmm, thunderstorms here…
[12:42] <Quintasan> What on Earth
[12:44] <smartboyhw_> Quintasan: ?
[13:15] <Riddell> Darkwing: ping?
[13:16] <smartboyhw_> Hey Riddell
[13:16] <Riddell> wanting to test mumble
[14:03] <ScottK> Riddell: I messed up and set the election to end at the end of the day, rather than the beginning.  We'll have a full council in a few hours.
[14:03] <Riddell> the tension is rising!
[14:13] <Darkwing> Riddell: you wanted to test?
[14:18] <ScottK> FYI, I'm probably going to be late for the meeting.  Today is going different than I planned.
[14:21] <smartboyhw> ScottK: Hurray
[14:30] <Quintasan> Riddell or Darkwing: mumble test
[14:31] <Darkwing> Quintasan: lets do it
[14:32] <Quintasan> if anyone is talking I can't hear it for some reason
[14:32] <Darkwing> I'm gonna reconfig
[14:33]  * Quintasan makes the recoring louder
[14:38] <apachelogger> valorie: btw our troll is now trolling kde-devel 
[14:38] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Which troll?
[14:38] <apachelogger> the one we were talking about on the mailing list
[14:39] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: What the…
[14:39] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Can you hit him with banhammer?
[14:39] <smartboyhw> He seriously doesn't know he is trolling…
[14:39] <apachelogger> no powers in kde
[14:39] <apachelogger> all seaLne's fault :P
[14:39] <smartboyhw> I am joining in the game…
[14:39] <apachelogger> he doesn't trust me
[14:40] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: why that's a pun right there :D
[14:40] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: LOL
[14:42] <Darkwing> Just testing.
[14:42] <Quintasan> HWAT THE THELL
[14:42] <Quintasan> Darkwing, yofel: anyone talking?
[14:42] <Darkwing> I was.
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: Why you need op!
[14:42] <yofel> Quintasan: do you see my icon being red?
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:42] <apachelogger> HELLO QUINTASAN
[14:42] <Quintasan> yofel: not really
[14:42] <Quintasan> apachelogger: HI
[14:42] <smartboyhw> rofl
[14:43] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: I'm part of the IRC team. I have OPS in most of the #ubuntu-* namespaces
[14:43] <yofel> I'm killing murmurd, sec
[14:43] <apachelogger> :(
[14:43] <apachelogger> murderer
[14:43] <Quintasan> lol
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: Sure.
[14:43]  * smartboyhw is a stupid thing on IRC
[14:44] <yofel> next try
[14:44] <apachelogger> did I loose my IRC powers yet?
[14:44] <yofel> hi jt
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Hey jtechidna (new nick?)
[14:44] <apachelogger> I feel like making the channel invite only or something :P
[14:44] <jtechidna> secondary nick
[14:44] <Darkwing> lol apachelogger
[14:44] <Quintasan> anyone?
[14:44] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Nice one:P
[14:44] <Quintasan> heard me?
[14:44] <apachelogger> "U DID NOT REELECT ME, NOW I TAKE OVER YOUR CHANNEL"
[14:44] <Darkwing> Nope. You hear me?
[14:44] <Quintasan> no
[14:44] <Quintasan> wtf
[14:44] <Quintasan> is
[14:44] <Quintasan> going
[14:45] <Quintasan> on
[14:45] <apachelogger> all your channel are belong to me.
[14:45] <Darkwing> this is daft.
[14:45] <Quintasan> OHSHI-
[14:45] <Quintasan> BAN INCOMMING
[14:45] <apachelogger> :O
[14:45] <smartboyhw> I think we should actually made the channel for people who have registered…
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: What the hell?
[14:46] <Darkwing> ??
[14:46] <Quintasan> I'm talking all the time, can anyone hear me?
[14:46] <Darkwing> Nope
[14:46] <Darkwing> and you guys can't hear me either?
[14:46] <apachelogger> I can hear you in my heart.
[14:46] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: Why do you add apachelogger's sentence to the channel topic?
[14:46] <Quintasan> Darkwing: I can't
[14:46] <Darkwing> because it is so apachelogger
[14:46] <yofel> Darkwing: I don't even see that you're saying something
[14:46] <Quintasan> Same here
[14:47] <yofel> I saw your recording though
[14:47] <apachelogger> worth some ice cream don't you think?
[14:47] <Darkwing> I heads my recording but I don't see you guys saying anything?
[14:47]  * apachelogger needs to find some ice cream before he  goes mad
[14:47] <Darkwing> server restart?
[14:47]  * smartboyhw thinks that apachelogger is a nadverb more than an adjective…
[14:47] <yofel> yeah
[14:47] <Quintasan> It's a noun :P
[14:48] <Quintasan> apacheloggerish?
[14:48] <Quintasan> This sounds so silly
[14:48] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Nice
[14:48] <Quintasan> I'm seriously going to start sining
[14:48] <Quintasan> singing*
[14:48] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:49] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Say "BLAAAAARHG"
[14:49] <BluesKaj> I see you guys have had your presence graced by out latest troll :)
[14:49] <Darkwing> I did. nothing?
[14:49] <BluesKaj> our 
[14:49] <Quintasan> Yeah, nothing
[14:49]  * smartboyhw is fortunate that he is out of this Mumble mess…
[14:49] <Quintasan> yofel: Y U BREAK SERVER
[14:49] <yofel> wtf
[14:49] <Darkwing> The trolls is not welcome here.
[14:49] <yofel> I didn't as much as TOUCH it since the last time
[14:49] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: Of course;)
[14:49] <Darkwing> Try restarting the mumble server?
[14:50] <Quintasan> IMPLYING NOT TOUCHING IT INSURES THAT IT WILL WORK NEXT TIME
[14:50] <Darkwing> lol
[14:50] <Quintasan> go to Session maybe?
[14:50] <Quintasan> Anything?
[14:50] <Darkwing> No
[14:50] <yofel> nope
[14:51] <Quintasan> I'm talking
[14:51] <yofel> you're not
[14:51] <Darkwing> so am I but no one hears anything.
[14:51] <Quintasan> @_@
[14:51] <BluesKaj> well he's been cri=uising the chans spewing his negativity about kde and insulting those who try to help , yet no ops will kick or ban him and I've seen ppl get banned for a lot less in the past
[14:51] <Darkwing> He speaks in here and I'll ban him.
[14:51] <Darkwing> I don't have OP powers in KDE-devel otherwise I wouldn
[14:52] <Darkwing> *would
[14:52] <BluesKaj> ok thanks Darkwing 
[14:53] <smartboyhw> We need a troll management strategy…
[14:53] <apachelogger> Darkwing: he is
[14:53] <Darkwing> banhammer...
[14:53] <smartboyhw> (Seriously)
[14:53] <Quintasan> THIS MUMBLE
[14:53] <Quintasan> SERIOUSLY
[14:53] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: ban :P
[14:53] <apachelogger> is murmur working yet?
[14:53] <yofel> ok, plan b
[14:53] <apachelogger> or did yofel break it entirely? ^^
[14:53] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Yrp
[14:53] <yofel> connect to yofel.dyndns.org
[14:53] <yofel> that's not set up, but work
[14:53] <yofel> s
[14:54] <apachelogger> only need one chan anyway
[14:54] <Quintasan> yofel: Can't connect xD
[14:54] <yofel> ... drat
[14:54] <Darkwing> [10:54 AM] Server connection failed: Host unreachable.
[14:54] <yofel> plan C
[14:54] <smartboyhw> loo
[14:54] <apachelogger> ...
[14:54] <Quintasan> lol
[14:54] <apachelogger> ^^
[14:54] <smartboyhw> *lol
[14:54] <apachelogger> what's the problem anyway?
[14:55] <Darkwing> No one can hear anyone else.
[14:55] <Quintasan> One can hear himself speaking
[14:55] <Quintasan> but noone else
[14:55] <BluesKaj> trouble is these guys seems knowledgeable , and they should be challenged to help others instead of letting them spew
[14:55] <yofel> it's not transmitting any audio-related data
[14:55] <Riddell> so where is everyone?
[14:55] <BluesKaj> here
[14:55] <apachelogger> BluesKaj: that particular person is not
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Here…
[14:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: We can't hear anyone speaking
[14:55] <smartboyhw> We have a plan D: Use IRC…
[14:55] <Riddell> I'm the only one in session
[14:55] <Riddell> ooh an apachelogger 
[14:55] <Darkwing> yofel broke it.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Riddell: LOL
[14:55] <apachelogger> works for Riddell and me :P
[14:56] <Quintasan> Riddell: As in I'm talking but Darkwing can't hear me
[14:56] <yofel> connect to kyofel.dyndns.org
[14:56] <smartboyhw> Now now now, girls stop fighting…
[14:56] <yofel> just installed it, so it *should* work
[14:56] <BluesKaj> apachelogger, ok , I'll take your word for it :)
[14:56] <smartboyhw> And stop blaming
[14:56] <Darkwing> First one is working
[14:56] <smartboyhw> yofel: Clear cache?
[14:56] <Quintasan> IT'S ALIVE
[14:56] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:57] <Riddell> Quintasan: are you on the server?
[14:57] <Darkwing> try the first one again.
[14:57] <Riddell> cos it doesn't look it to me
[14:57] <Quintasan> Riddell, Darkwing:  kyofel.dyndns.org
[14:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: there are two servers!
[14:58] <smartboyhw> :O
[14:58] <shadeslayer> bah I missed doctor who 
[14:58] <apachelogger> gj
[14:58] <apachelogger> spoilers!!!!!
[14:58] <apachelogger> the name of the doctor is....
[14:58] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Boo Doctor Who!
[14:59] <apachelogger> open sesame
[14:59] <shadeslayer> noooooo
[14:59] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: rofl
[14:59]  * smartboyhw laughs without stopping
[14:59] <shadeslayer> to mumble or not to mumble, for I have to have dinner 
[15:00] <valorie> hmmm, I can't connect to kyofel
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Disasterous servers…
[15:00] <shadeslayer> the doctor broke it 
[15:00] <smartboyhw> Seriously, let's just do it on IRC…
[15:00] <shadeslayer> yes ^^
[15:00] <shadeslayer> I can do irc , mumble nope 
[15:00] <smartboyhw> We can troubleshoot Mumble later
[15:00] <apachelogger> right port?
[15:00] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Same
[15:00] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: do mumble
[15:01] <yofel> valorie: 209.141.41.96
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I need sustenance
[15:01] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I call bs
[15:01] <apachelogger> u need coffee
[15:01] <Darkwing> valorie: 209.141.41.96 
[15:01] <yofel> just in case that really matters
[15:01] <apachelogger> !
[15:01]  * apachelogger hands Quintasan some ice cream
[15:01] <Quintasan> I haven't eaten since today's morning
[15:01] <shadeslayer> neither have I 
[15:01] <Quintasan> so go on mumble
[15:01] <Quintasan> !!!
[15:01] <shadeslayer> irc ... irc .... irc ...
[15:01] <shadeslayer> oh wait 
[15:02] <smartboyhw> irc.... irc..... irc......
[15:02] <shadeslayer> no headphones as well 
[15:02] <Darkwing> Voice is much simplier.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:02] <Darkwing> and personal.
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer is fail
[15:02] <shadeslayer> I broke them 
[15:02] <yofel> a mac as no speakers? ^^
[15:02] <Quintasan> provided one can speak
[15:02] <shadeslayer> in the flight 
[15:02] <yofel> *has
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: And difficult to set up…
[15:02] <Darkwing> I got outvoted for Google+ hangout
[15:02] <Quintasan> speaking hurts as hell
[15:02] <Quintasan> :P
[15:02] <shadeslayer> meh speakers 
[15:02] <Darkwing> takes 30 seconds.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: ROFL
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Seriously, can we do IRC? I have an agenda item listed…
[15:03] <smartboyhw> And I have no ways on Mumble
[15:03] <smartboyhw> I'm at mobile…
[15:04] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: You can talk here and someone will be reading that probably
[15:04] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: What type of mobile device
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Sure
[15:04] <shadeslayer> there's a mumble android app
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: Samsung Galaxy Pocket GT-S5300
[15:04] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: Android?
[15:04] <apachelogger> everyone use the android app!
[15:04] <apachelogger> I have no android!
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Android 2.3.6 for the god's sakr
[15:05] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: I will be killed if I'm speaking loudly
[15:05] <Darkwing> smartboyhw: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lordmarty.mumbleclient&hl=en
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Darkwing: ^
[15:05] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: increase recording volume? :P
[15:05] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: No.
[15:06] <smartboyhw> And my phone records sound like a duck…
[15:06] <yofel> smartboyhw: you could at least listen?
[15:06] <smartboyhw> (Tried to record a piano before, terrible)
[15:06] <smartboyhw> yofel: I can't turn on speakers as I shall be killed and I hate earphones (and I'll be killed by using that, anyway)
[15:06] <apachelogger> "please do this asap. if you ask in #kubuntu-devel you'll probably find someone to help you. last time it took quite a while until everyone had it installed and configured so please be prepared this time around ;)"
[15:07] <apachelogger> FWIW
[15:07] <apachelogger> ....
[15:07] <apachelogger> :P
[15:07] <yofel> smartboyhw: bummer
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Oh good, that troll is trolling again…
[15:09] <BluesKaj> where ? he's been quiet for 20 mins or so 
[15:09] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: #kde-devel
[15:10] <palasso> JontheEchidna, just a minor fix of code elegance that I failed to see before the commit: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314549#c4
[15:10] <smartboyhw> And he is putting apachelogger as Stalin (certainly not)
[15:10] <BluesKaj> smartboyhw, ok , it's entertaining :)
[15:12] <BluesKaj> even when he was insulting me ...it's an interesting study in social moron-ism :)
[15:12] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj:lo
[15:12] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:16] <palasso> jdoles, is here just he can't chat :D
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Yes. And we are happy with that 
[15:17] <apachelogger> bye bye
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Yeah!
[15:18] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: You kicked him?
[15:18] <apachelogger> no, that was a /part
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Brilliant choice
[15:19] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, Quintasan: What have you guys talked and are talking about?
[15:19] <palasso> someone needs to do the same on #kubuntu as well... On the night (my time) he would unprovoked start ranting again calling the packagers drunk etc.
[15:19] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Docs now.
[15:19] <BluesKaj> yeah , the troll finally did something positive 
[15:21] <jessie> vHanda: You around? My Nepomuk is acting up again.
[15:21] <vHanda> did you just update to master?
[15:21] <vHanda> cause I just pushed a HUGE change
[15:22] <jessie> No, I'm currently on 13.04 with backports.
[15:23] <vHanda> jessie: okay then. What's up?
[15:23] <apachelogger> palasso: he knows that he can talk in #kubuntu, he does not know that I have a highlight on his nick :P
[15:24] <palasso> apachelogger, ;)
[15:24] <jessie> vHanda: Nepomuk server starts but the file indexer doesn't.
[15:24] <vHanda> jessie: ps aux | grep nepomuk ?
[15:25] <jessie> I see the feeder, the server, the service stub for nepomuk storage and the controller
[15:25] <vHanda> could you paste the output please?
[15:26] <jessie> http://pastie.org/7934968
[15:26] <jessie> vHanda: Also, log from starting nepomuk (tail -f ~/.xsession-errors | grep Nepomuk): http://pastie.org/7934969
[15:27] <vHanda> hmm, so it cannot initialize virtuoso
[15:28] <vHanda> jessie: what all soprano packages do you have installed?
[15:28] <jessie> vHanda: More data: It does this every time. I can remove all Nepomuk related configs/db's and when it gets to a certain point this occus every time.
[15:29] <vHanda> oh. So if you delete the db then it starts the fileindexer?
[15:29] <jessie> Correct. For at least a little while. And then some file or something causes it to break.
[15:30] <jessie> libsoprano-dev libsoprano4 soprano-daemon
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> (smartboyhw_) Heh, not yet at my agenda item on Mumble?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> mumble keeps dropping voice, so much jitter :/
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> I posted it in #kubuntu…
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> Wrongly
[15:34] <Darkwing> smartboyhw_: we are talking about it now.
[15:34] <Darkwing> I'll have the audio uploaded soon after it ends.
[15:35] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing: In my opinion, 1-2 alphas is enough.
[15:35] <smartboyhw_> Probably skip Alpha 1.
[15:35] <Darkwing> smartboyhw_: We are looking at the KDE release schedule as well.
[15:35] <smartboyhw_> Following all 3 is too many.
[15:35] <smartboyhw_> Darkwing: Great.
[15:36] <shadeslayer> I bet one could make this into a daft punk song, everyone sounds so weird 
[15:36] <smartboyhw_> lol
[15:37] <Darkwing> shadeslayer: use autotune
[15:37] <apachelogger> ohohohohohohoohohohohohoohohohohohohohoohohoh
[15:37] <smartboyhw_> The Kubuntu Developers song, nice.
[15:37] <apachelogger> 2 days
[15:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: TWO DAYS
[15:37] <shadeslayer> android app doesn't have it 
[15:37] <apachelogger> SHADESLAYER
[15:37] <yofel> smartboyhw_: rather skip alpha2, that's right between 4.11 rc1 and rc2
[15:37]  * ScottK waves
[15:37] <apachelogger> TWO FRIGGIN DAYS
[15:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: feature freeze ?
[15:37] <ScottK> Trying to install mumble
[15:37] <smartboyhw_> yofel: right.
[15:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: RAM
[15:37] <shadeslayer> oh 
[15:37] <apachelogger> R.A.M.
[15:38] <shadeslayer> okay 
[15:38] <Darkwing> ScottK: Note the server change in my email
[15:38] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: When will the vote end?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> <3
[15:38] <ScottK> Darkwing: Thanks.
[15:38] <jessie> vHanda: Anything else I can get you to help me get Nepomuk working again? I miss it.
[15:38] <ScottK> smartboyhw_: ~23:59 UTC
[15:39] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: Hmm, that's 20 minutes later.
[15:39] <ScottK> Than what?
[15:39] <vHanda> shadeslayer: got a sec?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> yes 
[15:39] <ScottK> It ends when I click the button to end it.
[15:39] <ScottK> That's ~when I plan to do it.
[15:40] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: Ah…
[15:40] <shadeslayer> vHanda: do I need to start my laptop? or will my phone suffice? 
[15:40] <smartboyhw_> I want to see who gets elected (or rather, who not)
[15:40] <vHanda> actually nevermind. I think I got it
[15:40] <shadeslayer> heh ok
[15:41] <vHanda> I'm confused as to what soprano-daemon shops
[15:41] <vHanda> *ships
[15:42] <shadeslayer> vHanda: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/amd64/soprano-daemon/filelist
[15:43] <vHanda> strange, but okay
[15:44] <vHanda> It seems to "recommend" libsoprano4 - shouldn't that be a hard dependency? http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/soprano-daemon
[15:46] <shadeslayer> debian has recommends as well, so maybe worth poking them about it ?
[15:48] <vHanda> nevermind. It's just the libsoprano4-daemon shouldn't compile with libsoprano4
[15:49] <vHanda> *without libsoprano4
[15:49] <vHanda> jessie: would you mind sharing your db with me?
[15:49] <vHanda> Unless it contains private information?
[15:50] <jessie> Yeah, I should be able to share it with you.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> stupid moin moin 
[15:51] <jessie> vHanda: soprano-virtuoso.db?
[15:51] <vHanda> yup
[15:51] <vHanda> how big is it?
[15:52] <jessie> ~ 8MB
[15:59] <vHanda> jessie: this database hasn't even been used once by Nepomuk
[15:59] <vHanda> it just has the basic virtuoso data
[15:59] <vHanda> and virtuoso didn't give me any errors when I tried to open it
[16:00] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: End the vote and let us see the resulrs…
[16:00] <ScottK> No.
[16:00] <jessie> ... Hmmm... I pulled that from ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/ . Correct place?
[16:01] <smartboyhw_> ScottK: ?
[16:01] <Tm_T> smartboyhw_: why so hurry?
[16:01] <smartboyhw_> LOL
[16:01] <smartboyhw_> Tm_T: Anxiety?
[16:01] <vHanda> yup. It's correct. It just means that your db isn't corrupted. and clearing it probably won't fix this
[16:01] <Tm_T> patience, my young padawan
[16:01] <vHanda> though you can try
[16:02] <smartboyhw_> You know, I actually infuriated two padawan mentors?
[16:02] <smartboyhw_> :P
[16:03] <jessie> vHanda: rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository fixed it. :-/
[16:03] <vHanda> bah. Next time give me all the files including the trx files and others. Though I have no clue what could have been wrong
[16:03] <vHanda> anyway, you at least did not loose any data
[16:04] <jessie> True. I guess we'll see if it happens again and if so I'll give you my files.
[16:09] <apachelogger> jtechidna: https://trello.com/c/V6ydXZAC
[16:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, yofel: https://trello.com/c/7UDZ2pRN what's with that? resolved?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> haven't heard from cHakra 
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Erm 
[16:11] <shadeslayer> vHanda
[16:11] <vHanda> ?
[16:11] <shadeslayer> see trello card 
[16:12]  * yofel doesn't remember being involved in that
[16:14] <vHanda> shadeslayer: Soprano 2.9.2 has been released it contains the required patch
[16:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[16:17] <shadeslayer> so we want to sru 2.9.2 now 
[16:20] <shadeslayer> bbl 
[16:58] <Riddell> valorie: logitech headphones with mic cost only a tenner and work well
[16:59] <valorie> cool, I'm sure amazon will get it to me pronto
[16:59] <Darkwing> I'm editing the opening then I will upload the audio
[16:59] <valorie> ttyl
[17:05] <shadeslayer> can someone take care of the new ktp release?
[17:05] <shadeslayer> I have so much on my TODO today
[18:24] <ahoneybun> hello
[18:26] <Riddell> hi ahoneybun
[18:26] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how was the meeting?
[18:26] <Riddell> we passed a motion unanimously deciding you are awesome
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ^^
[18:27] <ahoneybun> what?
[18:27]  * ahoneybun does not know if that is a joke or waht
[18:28] <Riddell> nope it's entirely true
[18:28] <ahoneybun> oh ok ... lol
[18:29] <ahoneybun> what was talked about the docs?
[18:29] <Riddell> Darkwing thinks a process of wiki -> html and displaying in plasmoid would be best
[18:30] <Riddell> or rather that was what came out of a talk between him you and valorie 
[18:30] <ahoneybun> yea we talked out that
[18:30] <ahoneybun> would kinda be like Linux Mint's welcome screen
[18:30] <ahoneybun> that was the idea
[18:31]  * ScottK hides his eyes.
[18:31] <Riddell> a big welcome screen would be off putting but an icon in the folderview to launch it would be like what we've had before
[18:31] <Riddell> I'm not sure what he'd thinking to do the wiki -> html stage job I hopefully something automatable
[18:32] <ahoneybun> well just big for the content not huge
[18:32] <ahoneybun> its still in discussion 
[18:33] <Quintasan> + less work for translations
[18:33] <ahoneybun> Riddell: like how Charka Linux does it?
[18:33] <Quintasan> translators*
[18:33] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I think I can.
[18:33] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_1i7EX7a2ELY/TIptPB1QUII/AAAAAAAAAWg/Z6QLwPvLg08/s1600/chakralive.png
[18:33] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: cool, thx
[18:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I added a trello card
[18:34] <ScottK> I'm not if favor of shipping passwords.txt on the desktop.
[18:34] <Quintasan> +1 ScottK
[18:35]  * Quintasan also thinks we should get rid of folder view plasmoid and make the whole desktop type folder view
[18:35] <ahoneybun> ScottK: no a link to the Docs, Homepage and such
[18:35] <ScottK> ahoneybun: I know.  I just kidding around.
[18:35] <ahoneybun> oh hard to tell for me in just text
[18:35] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5684663/ <-- how outdated is that?
[18:36] <ahoneybun> Riddell: wait why am I awesome lol
[18:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: eh, might just work
[18:36] <Riddell> ahoneybun: for kickstarting the docs
[18:37] <ahoneybun> oh I guess, just trying to find a spot for me to help ;)
[18:37] <Riddell> Quintasan: upstream has it with nothing on the desktop at all
[18:38] <Riddell> which I don't see the sense in
[18:38] <Quintasan> Riddell: I do realise that. But looking from "typical user" perspective, one does expect to be able to put files and icons on desktop without doing widget mumbojumbo dance
[18:39] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: uploading to saucy and backporting to raring and precise I guess
[18:39] <shadeslayer> yes
[18:39] <Riddell> Quintasan: if you fullscreen folderview that would mess with any other widgets no?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I think we can just put that in Kubuntu updates
[18:40] <shadeslayer> and then maybe move to get it SRU'd
[18:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: you can put icons anywhere on the desktop
[18:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: I mean setting the Layout to folder view
[18:40] <Quintasan> Right click on desktop, Setting -> Layout -> Folder view
[18:41] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: We can just?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> hm?
[18:41] <Quintasan> SRU for raring now?
[18:41] <shadeslayer> put it in the updates PPA, then SRU
[18:42] <shadeslayer> or whatever you feel like doing :P
[18:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: anything else important?
[18:42] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I wonder why are we keeping https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa around then
[18:42] <Riddell> notes here https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-uds-saucy
[18:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: 
[18:43] <ahoneybun> stupid KDE Identity
[18:43] <ahoneybun> ok got it
[18:43] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: That said I think we should get a ktp packaging branch
[18:44] <Quintasan> hmmm
[18:44] <Quintasan> or wait
[18:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: You know, we could actually get it to Debian and sync to saucy and then backport
[18:44]  * Quintasan tries doing that
[18:46] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thansk
[18:46] <ahoneybun> *thanks
[18:47] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: k
[18:52] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Debian is still on 0.4 wtf
[18:52] <shadeslayer> heh
[19:06] <soee> why Chromium wants Unity WebApps plugin ?
[19:20] <Quintasan> ScottK: Do you think you could upload ktp to Debian?
[19:21]  * Quintasan reaaaaaally has to get DD as soon as possible
[19:21] <Riddell> soee: I don't know but it's very annoying
[19:22] <ScottK> Quintasan: Not today.  Who's the maintainer?
[19:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: Maintainer: Debian KDE Extras Team <pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org>
[19:23] <Quintasan> Well
[19:23] <Quintasan> ScottK: Actually I'm going to pester George if he is going to update that soon
[19:23] <ScottK> I'd ask on #debian-qt-kde then.
[19:24] <Quintasan> If not I'm going to update the whole stack myself and pester there for someone to upload and apply for DD
[19:32] <soee> Riddell, well the extension can be disabled so the message is gone
[19:52] <bkerensa> Yay Kubuntu!
[20:07] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so what way would look best? browser widget, or folder view
[20:09] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Just work on content.
[20:10] <Darkwing> I'll pull something together for styling.
[20:10] <Darkwing> meeting is being uploaded.
[20:10] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:10] <shadeslayer> that sounds kind of hilarious
[20:11] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: did you check on the page ? the main one https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[20:11] <Darkwing> Not yet.
[20:11] <ahoneybun> thats what I have layed out so far
[20:11] <Darkwing> I've been getting my kids' rooms ready. :D They are coming this weekend, a week early.
[20:11] <ahoneybun> I managed to keep all the content from the other pages and put them on those
[20:12]  * Darkwing nods
[20:12] <ahoneybun> just mostly need to check the ones I have done for what they need more or less, and then work on the last page "Getting Involved"
[20:12] <ahoneybun> nice man
[20:13] <Darkwing> kmmmz....
[20:13] <ahoneybun> no good?
[20:15] <Darkwing> thinking
[20:16] <ahoneybun> k
[20:23] <ahoneybun> hey shadeslayer log time no talk
[20:23] <shadeslayer> log time :D
[20:23] <shadeslayer> heya
[20:23] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: maybe the fifth page can be the links or credits page
[20:24] <Darkwing> http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting/
[20:25] <ahoneybun> cool
[20:25] <ahoneybun> its Aaron not Andrew
[20:25] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:25] <Darkwing> Oops
[20:26] <Darkwing> Sorry mate
[20:26] <ahoneybun> its fine they know my IRC name
[20:26] <ahoneybun> so its np
[20:26] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: hows the N7?
[20:27] <shadeslayer> haven't touched it yet, been busy with other stuff
[20:27] <shadeslayer> need to talk to ogra about why it doesn't display anything after boot
[20:27] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I think the browser would look better or using the folder view like the Charka Project uses?
[20:28] <ahoneybun> but if it is a pure html not just a link to the wiki page that would look great
[20:29] <Darkwing> We have to ship something for offlines users.
[20:29] <Darkwing> So, what will happen is this.
[20:29] <Darkwing> The development of the docs will by done online.
[20:29] <ahoneybun> true
[20:29] <ahoneybun> oh ok thats good
[20:29] <Darkwing> Then it will be pulled and put into localized form.
[20:29] <Darkwing> for the release.
[20:29] <ahoneybun> I really want it to be available offline
[20:30] <Darkwing> But, 100% of the doc work will be done online.
[20:30] <Darkwing> Well, 90%
[20:31] <Darkwing> 3 1/2 hours
[20:31] <ahoneybun> what?
[20:31] <Darkwing> Keeping my eye on the UTC clock.
[20:31] <ahoneybun> oh 
[20:32] <ahoneybun> for your kids to come?
[20:32] <Darkwing> No, That will be fri/sat
[20:32] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:32] <Darkwing> It's when the elections are announced.
[20:32] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:33] <jessie> Has there been work done on the new lock screen? I swear it's always randomly locking on me.
[20:34] <Darkwing> jessie: I've noticed that a bit myself.
[20:34] <jessie> And by locking I mean that both the lock screen comes up when it shouldn't and also the lock screen won't take my input.
[20:34] <Darkwing> I just figured it was a setting I needed to change.
[20:34] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: same here with my N7
[20:35] <jessie> Darkwing: Well, when I'm sitting here at my desk and typing and it all the sudden locks, I doubt that should *ever* happen.
[20:35] <Darkwing> jessie: No, mine is when it is sitting watching a video and the like.
[20:35] <Darkwing> Mine doesn't do anything like that.
[20:35] <yofel> never had it randomly lock on me, but the focus issue does happen all the time
[20:36] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: right now on the trello I have the cards for the pages
[20:36] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: I noticed that.
[20:36] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: I'll be in and out as I get some stuff done.
[20:36] <jessie> yofel: Yeah, the focus one is frustrating, I thought it was due to my bluetooth-proximity use, but I installed that for a while and it still did that. :-/
[20:37] <ahoneybun> for the first 3 I just need to find out what else I need to add/remove to keep it short
[20:37] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I think this is a great example if I say so https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/ManagingSoftware
[20:37] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: I'll have a look at it in a few hours
[20:38] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:38] <Darkwing> I did a brief overview.
[20:38] <Darkwing> It's looking really good.
[20:38] <Darkwing> Keep that up and we'll figure out more too.
[20:39] <ahoneybun> the project as a whole or that page?
[20:39] <Darkwing> Project as a whole.
[20:39] <ahoneybun> great
[20:39] <Darkwing> Maybe we should think of what we think of as basic...
[20:39] <Darkwing> Connecting to a network/internet
[20:39] <Darkwing> adding a printer
[20:39] <Darkwing> etc.
[20:40] <ahoneybun> well handing the graphics, music, printer
[20:40] <ahoneybun> and such
[20:40] <Darkwing> But, "getting connected"
[20:40] <Darkwing> Like you had said, what are the general actions people do on computers.
[20:40] <ahoneybun> the getting involved?
[20:40] <Darkwing> No, before that.
[20:40] <ahoneybun> oh the internet things?
[20:41] <Darkwing> Just interating... If you had never touched Linux/Kubuntu before...
[20:41] <jessie> Install things.
[20:41] <jessie> Browse the web.
[20:41] <jessie> Look at PDF's.
[20:41] <jessie> Edit images.
[20:41] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:41] <Darkwing> Before we can install anything, we have to connect to the web.
[20:41] <ahoneybun> jessie: thank you that is true
[20:41] <ahoneybun> found what content we need then organize
[20:41] <jessie> Listen to music, everybody does that almost.
[20:42] <Darkwing> So, we keep it to what people do every day, 
[20:42] <ahoneybun> the bare basics
[20:42] <Darkwing> we don't have to detail what a repository is... That is avalable online.
[20:42] <ahoneybun> link it to a other wiki page?
[20:42] <Darkwing> But, explaining that Rekonq is our browser... that is something more.
[20:43] <ScottK> Try explaining we think Rekonq is really, really wonderful, but we still ship a Firefox installer ...
[20:44] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:44] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: link to a wiki page about repos?
[20:44] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Yes. there are prolly 20 or 30 to pick from.
[20:44] <ahoneybun> ok right now I will work on content for the basic page
[20:45] <Darkwing> ScottK: To be fair, I don't use Rekonq
[20:45] <ahoneybun> same
[20:45] <jessie> Also, why FF over Chromium? Chromium sucks so much less with KDE than FF does.
[20:45] <Darkwing> I use chrome. It shares with my desktop, laptop, TV, phone and tablet.
[20:46] <jessie> Yeah, me too, but open source, etc etc etc.
[20:46] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: what about IM programs
[20:46] <Darkwing> Yup. That is something that people use.
[20:47] <ahoneybun> most of the network.xml has a how to about connecting, should the page just start off with a topic and talk about it then link to a KDE doc or something on how to do that action?
[20:47] <ScottK> Darkwing: I don't either.
[20:48] <ScottK> jessie: Because Firefox is the one that Canonical focuses their maintenance effort on and with the continuing stream of browser vulnerabilities and updates, we want people on the one that has the best support.
[20:50] <ahoneybun> got to get off be back in a bit
[20:50] <jessie> ScottK: And so we instead use Reqonk by default? That flies in the face of everything. We want people to be safe, but lets give them a browser that has 1/10th of the development efforts.
[20:50] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: just update the trello when you get the chance and I'll work on it 
[20:51] <ScottK> FF would pull in a huge stack of dependencies that would really screw with image size.
[20:51] <skellat> ahoneybun: This might provide some useful things to add to your managing applications section that might also be slightly safer than just installing .deb files: http://docs.xubuntu.org/1304/offline-packages.html
[20:52] <jessie> ScottK: Fair enough. Just saying, applying that logic to one choice but not the other seems silly to me.
[20:52] <ahoneybun> skellat: thanks so xubuntu is installing that by default now right?
[20:53] <ahoneybun> apt-offine
[20:53] <ScottK> The only singificant non-KDE based package we ship is LibreOffice.
[20:53] <ahoneybun> not to use dpkg install or what not
[20:53] <ScottK> And that's pretty unavoidable at the moment.
[20:55] <skellat> ahoneybun: We will be in 13.10
[21:23] <ahoneybun> skellat: cool
[21:24] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: Xubuntu does awesome docs
[21:33] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: I love that it is a ogg format lol
[21:34] <BluesKaj> it's nice to have the option to run kde apps in W7 without need to use a VM 
[21:34] <BluesKaj> the need
[21:36] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: that is cool
[21:36] <BluesKaj> open source for windows without the dumb ads and constant popups about toiolbar this etc
[21:37] <BluesKaj> yeah , works well enough too , ahoneybun
[21:37] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: I think thats the most important part ^^
[21:38]  * BluesKaj nods
[21:40] <ahoneybun> what does Kubuntu use for network connections?
[21:40] <ScottK> Network Manager
[21:40] <ahoneybun> I thought so
[21:40] <ahoneybun> looking for a good kde wiki with info about how to use it
[21:42] <BluesKaj> I don't bother with NM , the interfaces file works well with ethernet connections ...wifi however is more complicated and NM does a decent job with that
[21:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that episode of Dr Who makes no sense at all
[21:43] <ahoneybun> well I want to link how to setup a wired/wireless connection with the default on Kubuntu
[21:43] <shadeslayer> I suppose I should watch more of it
[21:44] <BluesKaj> NM can handle that ahoneybun , I have both on my laptop 
[21:45] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: in case the user needs help no? setup by hand?
[21:46] <BluesKaj> NM manages both ethernet and wifi if you like , ahoneybun
[21:46] <jessie> ahoneybun: Yeah, it'll need documentation of how to get connected for wifi, at the very least.
[21:47] <ahoneybun> jessie: thats what I mean but I want to link it to a ubuntu wiki that is already written and not do double work
[21:48] <ahoneybun> jessie: like this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[21:48] <BluesKaj> ahoneybun:   you're wifi encryption setup and PW is usaully allthat's needed , and the ethernet is pnp
[21:48] <jessie> BluesKaj: Not if you're doing static IPs, etc. There are things besides just PNP on ethernet.
[21:49] <BluesKaj> jessie: yeah static IPs have to be setup in NM , but it can be managed
[21:49] <jessie> Right. But how to get the process started and such needs to be documented.
[21:50] <ahoneybun> BluesKaj: this is just bare basics
[21:51] <BluesKaj> ok 
[21:51] <ScottK> the docs should focus on dhcp both wired and wifi because if a user even knows what a static IP is, they don't need our docs
[21:53] <ahoneybun> ScottK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Basic
[21:54] <ScottK> that's about right, although I'd say something like automatic address assignment instead of DHCP.
[21:55] <ScottK> My daughter the IT major would know you meant DHCP and my other daughter the interior design major could probably figure out what that meant.
[21:56] <BluesKaj> my son would , but none of my duaghters would 
[21:57] <BluesKaj> err daughters ...where's the bloody spellcheck
[21:58] <BluesKaj> ok , later gents 
[22:01] <Riddell> ahoneybun: an icon in the folderview that launches a widget
[22:01] <ahoneybun> Riddell: that would be better?
[22:01] <Riddell> ahoneybun: yes, anything more is too annoying
[22:01] <ahoneybun> can you do that?
[22:09] <Riddell> ahoneybun: probably, somehow
[22:10] <ahoneybun> we'll look into that
[22:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what didn't make sense?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: most of it?
[22:12] <shadeslayer> like, dafuq
[22:12] <shadeslayer> I'm watching the first ep 
[22:14] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[22:14] <shadeslayer> Its bigger on the inside 
[22:15] <shadeslayer> it's amazing how her tea doesn't spill
[22:18] <ahoneybun> Riddell: not easier to link to the wiki itself?
[22:19] <Riddell> ahoneybun: easier but not so slick
[22:19] <Riddell> and needs internet access
[22:19] <ahoneybun> true
[22:19] <Riddell> no use if you want help with internet access
[22:19] <ahoneybun> link to a html file on the system?
[22:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ah yes I guess it makes no sense if you don't know about the bigger on the inside thing :P
[22:20] <shadeslayer> yep
[22:22] <ahoneybun> Riddell: diiferent icons that link to text files?
[22:31] <Riddell> why would there be text files?
[22:34] <ahoneybun> some type of file?
[22:34] <ahoneybun> I don't think there is a way to launch widgets
[22:34] <ahoneybun> well maybe if I know where the widget is on the system
[22:40] <Riddell> plasma scripting somehow?
[22:45] <ahoneybun> I can't do that
[22:46] <ScottK> It's not that hard.
[22:46] <ScottK> I even figured it out once.
[22:47] <ahoneybun> oh
[22:47] <shadeslayer> heh
[22:52] <ahoneybun> Riddell: it has to use the Folder View Widget?
[22:53] <Riddell> ahoneybun: that's where icons can go without disturbing the desktop too much
[22:53] <ahoneybun> yea 
[22:55] <ahoneybun> we can't use the web slice widget?
[22:57] <Riddell> probably
[22:58] <Riddell> hmm web slice doesn't seem to be able to scroll
[23:00] <ahoneybun> there is a web browser as well that can scroll
[23:01] <ahoneybun> but no scaling
[23:03] <ahoneybun> Riddell: so what would the icons be linking to then in the folder view widget? html files on the system?
[23:05] <Riddell> ahoneybun: something that launched a plasma widget to show the docs
[23:05] <Riddell> or good old khelpcentre
[23:08] <ahoneybun> Riddell: they we talking about khelp but did not want to use it I think
[23:50] <Darkwing> lol
[23:51] <Darkwing> ahoneybun, I'm still figuring out the logistics of where we will put the docs. let's get them rewritten first. 
[23:52] <Darkwing> I'll figure out the scripting stuff.