[00:21] <n-iCe> how do I run the power-manager
[00:25] <Unit193> Should already be running, but the application is xfce4-power-manager
[00:26] <n-iCe> thanks
[00:43] <Vivekananda> hey everyone
[00:43] <Vivekananda> if anyone is here i wanted to ask how to change the color of highlight in the terminal
[00:53] <n-iCe> hi
[02:00] <Zus> hello, is there a way to have the applications in lubuntu to stop opening in full screen?
[02:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Zus: Do they open in full screen even if you restore them down and then close and re-open them?
[02:07] <Zus> SonikkuAmerica:  i do not have an option to resize
[02:08] <Zus> only "X" in the corner and draggin is not working.
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> Zus: Gimme a second... I need to fire up my VM and figure this. What version is this by the way?
[02:08] <Zus> 13.04
[02:08] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. I have 13.04 too.
[02:09] <Zus> just installed it this morning
[02:12] <SonikkuAmerica> Go to Apps > Preferences > Openbox Configuration Manager
[02:12] <Zus> ok sorry. im back
[02:13] <Zus> hmm crash.
[02:15] <Zus> 5 times its not opening.
[02:18] <Zus> least i got a place to begin,...going to reboot and hope this never crashes again..
[02:18] <Zus> thanks bbl
[04:04] <MonkWitDaFunk> Hi users of #lubuntu, i created an installation disk for lubuntu 13.04 32bit. The disc boots successfuly on one system and does not boot successfuly on another system. I see the output: an operating system wasnt found. Try disconnecting any drives that dont contain an operating system. The CD drive that is part of the unfuctional boot system has problems burning discs but it has been able to help me install an operating system before
[04:05] <magic_ninja> is it a cd medium?
[04:06] <MonkWitDaFunk> My system that doesnt boot lubuntu is compatable with ubuntu 12.04 lts, is there any possibility that the linux kernel 3.8 is not compatable with my system? Yes, i created a cd medium
[04:06] <magic_ninja> nvm, yes it is sorry about that MonkWitDaFunk.  Malfunctioning disk drives like that are very unpredictable.  You should try swapping the cable, then the drive
[04:07] <magic_ninja> and for your second question, it is possible but the installer hasn't gotten that far yet.  You see it can't find the kernel to boot it.
[04:08] <MonkWitDaFunk> Okay, now i know that malfunctioning disc drives are unpredictable and that my unfunctional system cannot find the kernel. Thank you magic_ninja
[04:13] <magic_ninja> You are welcome MonkWitDaFunk
[06:42] <Noskcaj> !alternate | is it fixed yet?
[06:42] <Noskcaj> nope
[06:43] <hyperair> hmm discontinued huh
[06:44] <Noskcaj> hyperair, i'm hopeing to make that channel specific, i need to nag people more
[08:17] <Desastre> whois alexandros_c
[12:29] <wodz> Hello, I am trying to install lubuntu 13.04 using alternate cd and installer hangs on fetching crypto-modules-3.8.0-19-generic-di. I checked install CD for errors and it is reported being correct.
[12:29] <wodz> Any hint?
[18:50] <hpuser4466> Can the lubuntu installer put grub on the partition boot sector?  (not mbr).  The reason i ask is I already have "grub legacy" on the MBR,  I could then chainload grub2 on the partition sector.
[18:51] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would use an alternate installer and either specify, or not install grub, and do it manually, or just install default, and "fix" what i need custom afterwards
[18:52] <hpuser4466> If i choose not to install grub2, then it doesn't install any grub on any partition right?   Would it be possible to boot Lubuntu using grub legacy?
[18:53] <hpuser4466> Or if i could use the Lubuntu live cd to install grub2 to the sda1 partition sector.
[19:06] <holstein> hpuser4466: thats what i am talking about.. doing it custom after the install
[19:06] <holstein> !grub | hpuser4466
[19:07] <hpuser4466> Only problem if I can't boot into the Lubuntu install (because grub2 isn't installed to mbr)  I would need to use the Live CD to install grub2 to MBR.
[19:08] <holstein> hpuser4466: i would use whatever necessary to install grub where ever i want
[19:08] <hpuser4466> well it you can do it from the live cd that's fine :- )
[19:08] <holstein> hpuser4466: you can do it without a live CD, likely
[19:09] <holstein> hpuser4466: what do i usually do? i get a live CD and install the gui helper mentioned at the link above
[19:09] <hpuser4466> ok thanks..I'll check the links shortly.
[19:29] <tux30> what is the best way on lubuntu for install skype?
[19:31] <holstein> !better
[19:31] <holstein> i just get the .deb from http://www.skype.com/en/download-skype/skype-for-computer/ tux30
[19:31] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype can help.. but the .deb install is quite simple
[19:34] <Unit193> holstein: Why not from partner with auto-update?
[19:35] <holstein> Unit193: i have no good reason really.. there was a newer version on the site at one point that worked "better" for me :)
[19:35] <Unit193> Good enough reason...
[19:38] <tux30> what is the minimum requirement for lubuntu
[19:39] <Unit193> tux30: What do you have?  You at least need a PAE compatible board.
[19:39] <tux30> i try use a old pentium 3 800 mhz
[19:40] <Unit193> Oi, I'd recommend something lighter, but Lubuntu should technically run on it if it is PAE enabled.
[19:40] <holstein> tux30: i would say, if you dont want to use puppy linux, or something lighter, lubuntu is your best option
[19:41] <Unit193> AntiX or SliTaz is my other recommendation.
[19:41] <holstein> slitaz might be a nice compromise
[19:44] <tux30> i think i will try puppy linux
[19:45] <tux30> do you think skype works on puppy linux?
[19:49] <tux30> waht do you think that Slacko Puppy
[19:49] <tux30> ?
[19:55] <holstein> tux30: i would ask in a puppy channel.. my issues with puppy personally are that its challenging to install applications into it.. thats why i usually end up back with a more supported option, like lubuntu
[19:56] <holstein> slacko is a slackware based one.. there is an ubuntu based one that should be able to use the .deb from the link i gave earlier
[20:22] <papasvt> Bonsoir à tous
[20:24] <hpuser4466> Lubuntu is consuming 1485mb of ram on my pc and occasionaly it gets really slow and locks up especially when running pinta and pcmanfm with thumbnails enabled.
[20:25] <hpuser4466> I have 2GB of ram and  need more :- )
[20:25] <papasvt> je débute sous linux.. c'est bien ça comme préambule :) j'avais prévu d'installer lubuntu 13.4 demain sur une dizaine de machines mais je viens de découvrir que mes logiciels ne sont pas encore adaptés à Raring ... je m'y perds un peu, quelle version sera suivi la plus longtemps possible (sacahnat que je n'ai pas droit à une LTS si j'ai bien compris) .. faut-il que je traduise en anglais ? french is-it possible ? only engli
[20:25] <cpanda> i run lubuntu with 512mb of ram pretty well. do you have swap enabled hpuser4466?
[20:26] <n-iCe> phillw: hi
[20:26] <hpuser4466> cpanda, yes I have 1571mb of swap if need be.  That's what is probably causing the slow down when it's accessing swap.
[20:27] <holstein> !fr | papasvt
[20:27] <holstein> hpuser4466: the 'slow down' i find is usually the hard drive.. what are you using to determine the ram usage?
[20:27] <cpanda> thats possible, swapping is slow but it should prevent a lock down
[20:28] <hpuser4466> i used "free -bm" cli arguement to output the ram usage.   Mostly slows down when using graphics software and image thumbnails in pcmanfm (I also increased the thumbnail cache size).
[20:29] <papasvt> excuse me , thank you , bye
[20:30] <hpuser4466> I have a lot of high resolution images pcmanfm is trying to thumbnail.
[20:30] <hpuser4466> I could reduce the thumnail cache size but i like my thumbnails :- )   I think more RAM is in order.
[20:31] <phillw> hi n-iCe
[22:02] <James_Epp> I am posting this in both the ubuntu and lubuntu channels:
[22:02] <James_Epp> I did a installation of both operating systems over a PxE server (desktop i386) to the same machine and in both instances I have a very strange result. After booting right after finishing the install, I have no network connectivity! Not even drivers or anything. I have no clue why this is happening. Anyone know a possible cause?
[22:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Probably better to keep it in #ubuntu, mainly because no one except phillw really speaks in here.
[22:05] <Unit193> Sure we do, but...
[22:05] <Unit193> !crosspost
[22:05] <James_Epp> Unit193: Point taken.
[22:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Unit193: How did I forget you?! :)
[22:06] <SonikkuAmerica> Although barely any of us are responsive though... you gotta gimme that.
[22:06] <Unit193> I'm easy to forget.  There's others that provide support when they can, just not as quickly as the other channel. :)
[22:08] <SonikkuAmerica> :)
[22:09] <phillw> !patience | SonikkuAmerica
[22:09] <binaryhermit> James_Epp: Stupid question, but does the live CD see your network card?
[22:09] <Unit193> binaryhermit: He's gone now.
[22:09] <SonikkuAmerica> phillw: I ain't the one with the problem this time. XD
[22:09] <binaryhermit> whoops
[22:19] <MiniD> Can anyone tell me how I might expect lubuntu to run on an HP Compaq laptop with these specs: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00614909&lc=en  ? Might it be an ok choice of OS performance wise?
[22:19] <MiniD> I am currently downloading a live cd but booting from a CD might not be an accurate show of performance
[22:20] <Unit193> It won't exactly be, no.  But that computer seems fine for it.
[22:22] <cpanda> depends on what you want to do with it. i have a similar laptop and it barely works
[22:22] <binaryhermit> I'd say that Lubuntu might run a tad slow on that machine, but it'll be usable at least
[22:22] <binaryhermit> probably could use more RAM
[22:23] <phillw> MiniD: as it is not a dreaded nvidea card, what is said is true. Including getting hold of a bit more RAM if you are on the base system of 512Mb.
[22:24] <binaryhermit> I'd go with the 32 bit version since a) the 64 bit version would use slightly more RAM and b) it's not like you're going to gain the ability to use more than 4 GB of RAM
[22:25] <phillw> binaryhermit: the BIOS can only handle 2 MB :)
[22:25] <MiniD> My primary use would be browsing the Internet, would it be an option to lighten the install even more or would this not make sense?
[22:25] <binaryhermit> exactly
[22:25] <cpanda> the graphicscard uses 128mb shared memory, i hope you can bring that down in the bios :D
[22:25] <MiniD> lol thats why I ask. ram for that thing is probably really expensive as well being it is so old
[22:25] <cpanda> i use midori for surfing, its the best option i have found if you want to have more than ~5 tabs open
[22:26] <phillw> MiniD: browsing is the most memory instensive task, as that level of RAM, install Firefox which handles low RAM machines better than Chromium does.
[22:27] <MiniD> midori is a web browser right? (excuse my ignorance)
[22:27] <cpanda> yes, a very lightweight one
[22:27] <phillw> long story, not starting a flame war off.
[22:28] <phillw> as is xombrero. But we can only recommend browsers that have security updates as standard :)
[22:28] <cpanda> i haven't compared it to firefox, i think, as at the time i was switching firefox was a memory hog. but it's certainly much more ram effective than chromium
[22:29] <Unit193> Midori just has rendering errors and the like, if you can live with those.
[22:29] <phillw> cpanda: FFOX has had a major overhaul, it may be what is shipped as default in 13.10
[22:29] <binaryhermit> phillw: heh, just as ubuntu switches to chromium
[22:29] <binaryhermit> maybe
[22:30] <cpanda> yes, i'm talking 11.04 times, as i said, didn't try recently as midori works fine for me. the only rendering errors i had were with google apps :X
[22:31] <phillw> but, this is not the area to discuss things on. binaryhermit what ubuntu do with the spec of machines it needs to run on is entirely up to them. We are lubuntu and will always use the application that uses the lowest resources :)
[22:31] <MiniD> I know this probably  varies because of a lot of things but how much memory could I expect to be used for the os, desktop environment, etc.?
[22:31] <binaryhermit> right
[22:33] <phillw> MiniD: for browsing, IMHO, install lubuntu, but then install firefox and use that as your browser. (comment #4 at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1096603 )
[22:33] <cpanda> i'm not on my lubuntu machine now to check, but I think i had about 250/512mb free with nothing but a blank midori started (that is still lubuntu 11.04)
[22:34] <phillw> MiniD: comment #4 is from the maintainer of Chromium, I trust these people :)
[22:34] <MiniD> Also this may not be the place to ask, and I assume this might be controversial, but is xubuntu or lubuntu generally more lightweight? Is the main difference the choice of desktop environment?
[22:36] <phillw> MiniD: lubuntu is more light weight that xubuntu, and it is not controversial, as flavours we help each other :) There is no "My system is better than your system" stuff, it is simply "try them, and decide which you prefer". :)
[22:36] <MiniD> phillw: o cool
[22:37] <cpanda> chromium certainly kills some tabs when it runs out of memory, does that for me too
[22:38] <MiniD> cpanda: wait it literally just kills your tabs for you... hope you weren't doing anything important in them
[22:38] <cpanda> i never do important things, don't worry
[22:39] <MiniD> cpanda: lol :P
[22:39] <phillw> MiniD: lubuntu uses xcfe stuff (the building blocks of xubuntu), we will also use kde (kubuntu stuff), just as they are free to use lxde (building blocks of lubuntu). The so called "news sites" like to make it out as if we are rivals. If they spent a cycle in testing and dev they would learn that we all help each other :D
[22:41] <phillw> cpanda: what you see is a correct error, chromium will only work within the area of memory that is there. Rather than crash your entire machine, it stops. That is actually a well behaved application.
[22:42] <Unit193> This is rather offtopic, though.
[22:42] <MiniD> My download is done. Now I just have to find a CD/DVD...
[22:42] <MiniD> Thanks for the help btw
[22:43] <MiniD> Some how I feel like it is going to take longer to obtain a cd then it did to download :-D
[22:43] <cpanda> phillw, yes i know. just wanted to confirm the "bug"
[22:44] <Unit193> MiniD: You can use a USB device to boot, if your BIOS supports it.
[22:44] <phillw> Unit193: yeah, we were stretching the 'on topic' area a bit. Just for all to know, and as no one ever reads the topic, we do have a an area at #lubuntu-offtopic :)
[22:44] <MiniD> Unit193: I thinking it probably doesn't but im not sure
[22:46] <MiniD> lol, the whole topic doesn't fit on my screen and I honestly can't figure out how to scroll it in my client.
[22:46] <Unit193> /topic
[22:47] <MiniD> ok thanks, I figured there was a command. I'm newbie when it comes to IRC
[22:47] <phillw> ;topic
[22:48] <MiniD> anyways this is way off topic again :P
[22:48] <phillw> MiniD: /j #lubuntu-offtopic
[22:55] <MiniD> Anyone know what the hash of lubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso should be just to verify my download?
[22:55] <MiniD> Or aren't they listed on an https page somewhere?
[22:56] <phillw> MiniD: one moment
[22:57] <phillw> MiniD: http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/raring/release/MD5SUMS
[22:57] <phillw> they are listed elsewhere, but that is my mirror
[22:58] <MiniD> phillw: thanks. hopefully your mirror isn't conspiring against me :P
[23:00] <MiniD> Actually considering I downloaded from a torrent from lubuntu.net and then got the checksums from you I'd say I'm probably more than secure enough
[23:01] <phillw> MiniD: as it happens, just after release one of the "Gods" needed an lubuntu iso and said my server was faster than the canonical one he was connected to in the same building. As Qa lead for lubuntu and with a script written and looked after by Unit193 I hold the non-ubuntu iso's on http://phillw.net/isos/ along with other F/OSS ones :)
[23:02] <MiniD> lol