[00:56] <bazhang> Genyar seems an awful lot like Lars
[00:59] <elky> did you note the realname?
[00:59] <bazhang> he announced it when he changed
[01:00] <bazhang> ie xyz is now known as  action
[07:16] <topyli> LjL: good point
[11:48] <anonymoususer> So...
[11:49] <anonymoususer> Someone just quieted all of webchat because I said the word damn about five minutes ago.
[11:49] <anonymoususer> IdleOne: I'm looking at you.
[11:49] <anonymoususer> Anyone care to arbitrate.
[11:49] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: what you mean by "all of webchat" ?
[11:49] <anonymoususer> Quiet against *!*@gateway/web/freenode/*
[11:49] <anonymoususer> Literally.
[11:49] <k1l_> anonymoususer: it is not all webchats quited. its just you
[11:50] <k1l_> anonymoususer: and it wasnt idleone it was me
[11:50] <anonymoususer> No, that's the exact banmask according to #freenode
[11:50] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: yes, we've had that for ages
[11:50] <anonymoususer> And the quiet itself was entirely overkill, anyone in the channel could tell you that.
[11:50] <Tm_T> nothing new in that, and nothing related to you specifically
[11:50] <k1l_> anonymoususer: and you were acting against the code of conduct and the guidelines several time. even after you were asked to stop that
[11:50] <anonymoususer> No I was not.
[11:51] <anonymoususer> I said the word damn once, someone complained five minutes after the fact, and I had no idea what he was talking about.
[11:51] <anonymoususer> He kept going on about it and I rather civilly asked him to grow up twice.
[11:51] <anonymoususer> He refused.
[11:51] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: you called anothher user a moron, didn't you? (:
[11:51] <anonymoususer> Yes. After he refused to shut up about the non-issue.
[11:51] <k1l_> ok, so when you even dont know that you called someone a "moron" we dont need to talk anymore about that because i see no point in it
[11:52] <anonymoususer> If he had left it alone, the abuse would have only been directed towards miro.
[11:52] <anonymoususer> And it would have been over with, as it had been.
[11:52] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: ok, one thing I hold in ubuntu channels is "there's no excuse for bad behaviour"
[11:53] <anonymoususer> Really?
[11:53] <Tm_T> really
[11:53] <anonymoususer> Then perhaps you should complain to the person being inflammatory as well.
[11:53] <anonymoususer> Unless trolling is held in higher regard as people just trying to keep the peace by complaining  about five minute old "damn" slips.
[11:54] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: yes, but we're not discussing about other people at this time, let's sort your case first
[11:54] <anonymoususer> Sure.
[11:54] <anonymoususer> Unquiet me and the issue will be solved. I won't bring it up again, and in the future I'll withold my vulgarities.
[11:55] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: you do understand how your behaviour was hostile to others, right?
[11:55] <anonymoususer> But I would appreciate people taking this as an obvious indicator some things are best not complained about unless you're an Op asking someone to cease behavior, not just idle complaints about five minute old slops of the tounge.
[11:55] <anonymoususer> Tm_T: That isn't the issue. The issue is I didn't /ignore him and instead responded.
[11:55] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: your hostility toward others is an issue, no matter what is the cause
[11:55] <anonymoususer> If that is the issue, you're perpetuating a community where everyone has to sit on the edge of their seat waiting to get quieted for minor offenses.
[11:56] <anonymoususer> I called him a moron onces.
[11:56] <anonymoususer> That was hardly a consistent issue.
[11:56] <anonymoususer> I have been perfectly civil with everyone else there, and with the individual in question other than this one instance.
[11:56] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: I don't say you should be quieted over that, did I?
[11:56] <anonymoususer> I bevieve that's the implication, yes.
[11:57] <anonymoususer> I am not an internet user who is intentionally hostile towards others.
[11:57] <Tm_T> I understand that
[11:57] <anonymoususer> On the contrary I attempt to do the opposite.
[11:57] <Tm_T> my intention is to get the quiet off of you too, you see (:
[11:57] <anonymoususer> As a geek, it's my main form of social contact after all. No motivation to jepordize it.
[11:58] <anonymoususer> But inflamatory people have a way of raising temperatures.
[11:58] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: in the future if someone's behaviour raises temperature, take a time off or if their behaviour requires op attention please visit this channel
[11:59] <anonymoususer> In the future if someone wants my behavior changed they need to be an op.
[11:59] <Tm_T> anonymoususer: that's not how it works
[11:59] <anonymoususer> Or they need to at least point me to a relevant rule I'm breaking.
[12:00] <anonymoususer> Not go on about how I'm being uncivil for five minutes before finally saying what I did.
[12:00] <anonymoususer> By that time I'll be irritated and I can't help them.
[12:01] <anonymoususer> Also, can someone please point me to a large stack of money. I seem to be running low.
[12:01] <Tm_T> once again there's no excuse for bad behaviour, so stop building the excuse
[12:02] <anonymoususer> I'm not exusing it.
[12:02] <anonymoususer> I'm explaining that if you penalize poor behavior without telling people what they're doing wrong, as was done with this quiet, the environment feels hostile and unsafe.
[12:03] <anonymoususer> But whatever.
[12:03] <anonymoususer> I rarely visit IRC, otherwise it wouldn't bug me as much.
[12:04] <anonymoususer> Guess by the next time I visit, we'll have fourteen different ops anyway. No point in trying to change policy to make sense.
[12:05] <anonymoususer> I'll just distro hop to avoid ruthless ops.
[12:05] <k1l_> anonymoususer: to make it short. you accept the CoC and the guidelines when entering the channel. so building an excuss and blaming the ops for your behavioour is in no way appropriate.
[12:12] <Tm_T> ...and I was removing the quiet
[12:13] <chu> Had to lay the guilt trip :(
[13:45] <IdleOne> Even if it had been me who set the quiet. Do you really think that "looking" at me is going to make me remove it?
[13:56]  * LjL stares at IdleOne
[13:58]  * IdleOne winks at LjL 
[14:40]  * Tm_T blinks at IdleOne
[15:17]  * Pici glares at IdleOne 
[15:20]  * IdleOne sets mode -q *!*@*
[15:20] <IdleOne> I can't stand it anymore :(
[15:36] <Pici> I didn't read the scrollback
[16:51] <quinn__> So now I've been banned from #ubuntu instead of an "unrelated webchat quiet"?
[16:53] <k1l_> quinn__: you got a false opinion from our ban management.
[16:54] <quinn__> What does that sentence even mean?
[16:55] <IdleOne> your ban/quiet reason doesn't change based on what client you are using
[16:55] <quinn__> And this is relevant to my query, how exactly?
[16:56] <quinn__> You know what, forget it. You two piss me off, so I'm just ignoring you and welcoming replies from individuals who haven't shown they have a vested interest in fanning the flames.
[16:56] <IdleOne> to answer your question, yes.
[16:56] <IdleOne> you are banned from #ubuntu
[16:56] <Tm_T> quinn__: FYI all webchats are banned from #ubuntu and then individuals are allowed in as an excemption, the webchat ban has nothing to do with you specifically
[16:56] <IdleOne> I don't see this changing anytime soon based on your attitude in here this morning.
[16:57] <quinn__> Apparently that's not the case, since I was using webchat and not banned earlier, and now both webchat and my hostmask are banned.
[16:58] <IdleOne> earlier you were able to join the channel but not send to channel. now you are not able to join the channel.
[16:59] <IdleOne> The problem here is your bad attitude towards people trying to help you.
[17:01] <IdleOne> Anyway, you seem occupied complaining in #freenode so I'll ask you to kindly part this channel.
[17:04] <Tm_T> quinn__: yes, you are banned, but not as webchat in overall, but you specifically, that's a different thing than our webchat ban (:
[17:04] <quinn__> Fuck you people. I'll just pop on whilst using Tor sometime this week. My behavior will be the exact same -> completely civil. And you will have solved what exactly?
[17:04] <quinn__> Exactly.
[17:05] <IdleOne> no u
[17:06] <k1l_> just another prrof of how polite and calm he acts. i really dont understand how one can think that attitude would be appropriate :/
[18:51] <Jimb> Hi, can anyone help me with my username on here? in global op because my nick has been hanging for 5 hours straight after i disconnected from a website chat client.
[18:52] <Jimb> its not registered , i was about to register it.. but its been in use this whole time
[18:52] <IdleOne> #freenode can help you with that
[18:53] <Jimb> thanks
[18:55] <IdleOne> Jimb: If there is nothing else, please /part this channel
[20:13] <FearTheLord> http://believeintheholybible.blogspot.com/
[20:13] <FearTheLord> !staff
[20:13] <FearTheLord> !ops
[21:13] <rww> hihi
[21:14] <rww> elky keeps +qing me in #ubuntu-offtopic
[21:14] <rww> i think she is obsessed with me and you should fire her
[21:14] <rww> kthx
[21:14] <rww> it is clear opabuse which I do not condone at all
[21:15] <rww> this is harming my right to free speech and there is so much snark i could be making in there right now and can't
[21:15] <bazhang> rly?
[21:16] <Myrtti> rww: puhleeze
[21:16] <Myrtti> if you want, I can mute you too
[21:17] <rww> bazhang: yes
[21:18] <rww> bazhang: your dismissive attitude furthers my perception that #ubuntu-ops is an unaccountable cabal
[21:18] <elky> I have no idea why i muted him.
[21:19] <rww> clearly it was mind control
[21:19] <rww> you should get out of Ubuntu while you still can
[21:19] <bazhang> heh ok
[21:19] <rww> they've moved on from spyware to psyware
[21:20] <rww> also, I am still muted in #ubuntu-offtopic, this is a travesty of justice, I demand a lawyer
[21:20] <bazhang> they had me at "Warty"
[21:20] <elky> I don't seem to be dancing the gangham style, so clearly it's not psyware
[21:20] <rww> ps shoutout to my peeps in ##club-ubuntu who read logs all the time like totes
[21:20]  * rww hits bingo on the "#ubuntu-ops ban appeal" card
[21:21] <IdleOne> enough of that troll
[21:22] <IdleOne> rww: try sending elky a PM and ask nice like
[21:22] <rww> IdleOne: okay, thanksd
[21:22] <rww> sorry for calling you a fascist
[21:22] <IdleOne> sure
[21:22] <elky> You haven't mentioned appealing to sabdfl yet.
[21:22] <rww> you are cool
[21:22] <IdleOne> you only spoke the truth.
[21:22] <IdleOne> I can't blame you for that
[21:23] <Corey> rww: Uh... you feeling okay?
[21:24] <rww> yes, but elky clearly isn't
[21:24] <IdleOne> rww: Please get out.
[21:24] <rww> 21:24:08 -!- mode/#ubuntu-offtopic [-q rww!*@*] by elky
[21:24] <rww> IdleOne: my issue has not been resolved :'(
[21:24] <rww> oh now it has
[21:24] <rww> bai
[21:25] <rww> i love you almost as much as cheesecake
[21:25] <rww> (except elky)
[21:25] <IdleOne> Something wrong with that boy
[21:26] <Myrtti> don't even start
[21:26] <tomaw> that was quite interesting
[21:26] <tomaw> hah, ubottu!ubottu@ubuntu/bot/ubottu ] Review: quiet 'kashminder!*@*' set on Mon Aug 20 18:43:12 2012 in #ubuntu, link: http://ubottu.com/bans.cgi?log=51007
[21:27] <IdleOne> tomaw: you can ignore that
[21:27] <tomaw> I have been for some time already it seems :)
[21:27] <funkyHat> !btlogin
[21:27] <funkyHat> bah
[21:28] <funkyHat> Oh. @
[21:29] <Myrtti> r04r: can we help you somehow?
[21:29] <r04r> yes I heard you guys hate free speech so I came to check it out
[21:30] <Myrtti> thanks, now you've seen it, please read the topic :-)
[21:30] <r04r> bye!
[21:30] <IdleOne> so rww has two accounts
[21:30] <IdleOne> ?
[21:31] <Myrtti> oh?
[21:31] <elky> no
[21:31] <k1l_> or it was the free-speech fanclub
[21:31] <elky> i guarantee you it wasn't rww
[21:32] <tomaw> just some observer from #freenode
[21:41] <k1l_> abdullahdean: hi. how can we help you?
[21:42] <Myrtti> abdullahdean: hello?
[21:43] <abdullahdean> hi. I am new. what is this channel about?
[21:43] <Myrtti> exactly what the /topic says
[21:44] <abdullahdean> what is the benefit of being an operator?
[21:44] <Myrtti> there are no benefits.
[21:44] <LjL> why does everyone seem to think there's some particular benefit
[21:45] <jbroome> all negatives
[21:47] <abdullahdean> Thank you, I am still learning
[21:47] <jbroome> this isn't really a chat channel
[21:48] <IdleOne> if you want to be an op /join #abdullahdean
[21:49] <jbroome> ##abdullahdean please
[21:49] <IdleOne> you don't know if he is on topic for freenode
[21:49] <k1l_> :)
[21:50] <jbroome> i'll take the odds on "no"