[15:17] <smartboyhw> Hey chilicuil + SergioMeneses
[15:25] <balloons> good evening smartboyhw_
[15:25] <smartboyhw_> Hey balloons!!!!!!! What things have you guys discussed during vUDS
[15:25] <smartboyhw_> ?
[15:26] <balloons> smartboyhw_, howdy. I'll try and get a post out this week on things, but for the moment, where you able to watch the youtube video of the summaries on the last day?
[15:26] <balloons> the quality piece is less than 5 mins and summarizes nicely
[15:26] <smartboyhw_> balloons: No, I was busy revising biology.
[15:27] <elfy> luckily it's right at the end so easy to find
[15:27] <smartboyhw_> elfy: I will catch it up in Mid-June I think…
[15:28] <smartboyhw_> I'm missing EVERY vUDS.
[15:28] <elfy> it'll still be at the end and about 5 minutes long
[15:28] <balloons> yea, I posted a direct link on my g+.. let me find it
[15:31] <balloons> smartboyhw_, https://plus.google.com/104307250302998042813/posts/SVG49P6MUbP
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> balloons: nvm I will watch it 14th Jube
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> *June
[15:33] <balloons> smartboyhw_, nice.. busy busy eh?
[15:33] <balloons> maybe the text version in the blog post will make it easier
[15:33] <smartboyhw_> balloons: Exam soon and biology test tmr.
[15:33] <elfy> I have to assume you're able to hide using irc but not youtibe - you could have watched it in the time it's taking to talk about it here :)
[15:34] <smartboyhw_> elfy: If I open sound I will be killed by my parents.
[15:34] <elfy> thought so :)
[15:35] <smartboyhw_> elfy: :)
[15:37] <SergioMeneses> morning!
[15:38] <smartboyhw_> Hey SergioMeneses
[15:38] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, look http://sergiomeneses.tumblr.com/day/2013/05/20
[15:38] <SergioMeneses> balloons, \o ↑↑↑
[15:39] <smartboyhw_> SergioMeneses: \o/
[15:40] <balloons> \o
[15:41] <balloons> yahoo owns tumblr now :-)
[15:41] <smartboyhw_> balloons:Yep so?
[15:41] <smartboyhw_> They always buy companies that are useless
[15:42] <SergioMeneses> balloons, jajaja what a comment!
[15:42] <smartboyhw_> Or rather, Yahoo doesn't know how to use them
[15:42] <balloons> just making small talk, lol
[15:42] <balloons> it's on the news today.. I've not used tumblr.. apparently SergioMeneses has :-)
[15:43] <smartboyhw_> balloons: En you mean the programming language smalltalk or?
[15:43] <balloons> smartboyhw_, no, not the programming language. It's an expression meaning, I was just making conversation..
[15:43] <balloons> small talk generally refers to 'idle' conversation
[15:43] <smartboyhw_> I know balloons, kidding:P
[15:44] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, he wants to talk, just that
[15:44] <SergioMeneses> lol
[15:44] <balloons> haha.. see if I explain expressions again!
[15:44] <smartboyhw_> lol
[15:44] <balloons> smartboyhw_, good work!
[15:44] <smartboyhw_> balloons: ?
[15:45] <SergioMeneses> jajaja
[15:46] <balloons> smartboyhw_, I was complementing you for fooling me. I'm sorry I didn't understand it as a joke however. It's funny :-)
[15:46] <elfy> LOL
[15:46] <smartboyhw_> balloons: ROFL
[15:57] <SergioMeneses> balloons, smartboyhw_ guys you're crazy
[15:59] <smartboyhw_> SergioMeneses: WHY?
[16:00] <SergioMeneses> smartboyhw_, read the log jeje ok... work time
[16:00] <balloons> have a good day/evening everyone ;-)
[18:16] <phillw> balloons: I see you are on a couple of hours after me, I will endeavour to attend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek
[18:17] <phillw> can you send an email re: Quality to the mailing list with cc to lubuntu-quality. I'll send my session details to our general lubuntu list.
[18:23] <balloons> phillw, ohh nice, your chatting about lubuntu, cool
[18:24] <balloons> yea, I haven't mentioned this much at all :-)
[18:24] <balloons> it's been so crazy with vUDS and cycle kickoff stuff
[18:26] <phillw> balloons: you have a copy of my email.... I also forgot about the Open Week sessions.... which is daft as I did one last realease!
[18:26] <balloons> I signed up, and it's been on my calendar so I knew it was coming. But it still sneaks up on you :-)
[18:27] <phillw> I think it is 'accepted' that I will do a session, so only got asked today!
[18:27] <balloons> LOL!
[18:27] <elfy> I got asked today as well
[18:29] <phillw> elfy: blame me for that :/ as knome is away, you were the next name on my memory for xubuntu. If JoseeAntonioR cannot find some one for deffinate, I've proposed smartboyhw to do a ubuntu-studio / xubuntu session. He's held classroom sessions before.
[18:29] <elfy> much too late to ask me I'm afraid
[18:30] <phillw> I'm okay for tomorrow, lawn needs mowing but I can do that after the session :)
[18:31] <phillw> elfy: yeah, it is a pain at short notice. Maybe when all the TL's of the flavours for testing get together we can put a TODO to check up when the Open Week after 13.10 is held :D
[18:32] <elfy> get together?
[18:33] <phillw> elfy: balloons has a TODO item to get at least one of the release managers / QA leads from each flavour to have a chat and introduce ourselves :)
[18:35] <elfy> soiunds a great deal like thos pointless introduce yourself things at pointless company get to know each other things to me ;)
[18:36] <phillw> elfy: well, this one is not just for that... it is actually to discuss things in the saucy cycle for testing and where to prioritise work to improve the tools we have for testing :)
[18:36] <elfy> and this is announced where?
[18:37] <phillw> But, it will also serve as the 1st time all the QA people from the flavours have been gathered together since the dissolution of the weekly QA meetings.
[18:37] <elfy> phillw: sorry - but I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about
[18:37] <phillw> elfy: it is a TODO :D I'm sure balloons will get to it :)
[18:39] <phillw> elfy: we used to hold weekly IRC meetings, but it got fragmented. not all people could attend.
[18:39] <elfy> balloons: while I think about it - it was testcase admin rights that knome  was talking about
[18:39] <elfy> phillw: yea sort of knew about those
[18:39] <phillw> elfy: yeah, balloons can issue those rights.
[18:39] <elfy> I know - I had them at one point
[18:40] <phillw> were you a naughty boy? :P
[18:40] <phillw> no doubt it was lost during the change over :)
[18:40] <elfy> not that I know of - r/l interfered
[18:40] <elfy> no - I dropped a whole bunch of things
[18:41] <phillw> indeed, r/l has a habit of that.
[18:41] <elfy> it was only this week I remembered to sort out qa mailing list again
[18:42] <phillw> jajaja
[18:52] <phillw> elfy: oh, and before I forget, I asked the new maintainer of LSC, the renaming of it is a relatively simple task as the name is held in .po area (translation area). Obviously we would then need the translations doing but asking translation teams to change "Lubuntu Software Centre" into "Light Software Centre" should not overly tax them :)
[18:53] <elfy> with regard to Xubuntu do you mean?
[18:53] <elfy> if so afaik we're sticking with what we have for at least the time being
[18:54] <phillw> elfy: okies. No worries :)
[18:54] <elfy> knome will know for sure, but I'm postive that's the case
[18:54] <elfy> that said Light Software Centre sounds a lot better as an app name
[18:55] <phillw> elfy: the offer for the teams is available until end of may when feature freeze happens.
[18:55] <phillw> +1
[18:56] <phillw> it *should* work on any debian based system.
[18:56] <elfy> yep - I did try it once
[18:58] <phillw> elfy: yup, it seems to work perfectly if you install it after the OS is running, it was a bug where when installed as part of the seed file it did not build the database. So ****ing annoying and so easy to fix :D
[19:02] <elfy> :)
[19:04] <balloons> sorry, reading scrollback now
[19:05] <balloons> ok so elfy you need rights. Knome should be able to add you to the lp group that has xubuntu rights
[19:06] <balloons> assuming he wants you to be able to do release type things for xubuntu :-)
[19:06] <elfy> :)
[19:06] <elfy> I'd assume he'll see this in here at some point then
[19:07] <balloons> on the 'meeting' thing. Yes, once a cycle I ask all the flavor QA leads to meet up with myself and just talk a little QA. How's testing going, need help with something, here's some help on doing X, etc
[19:08] <balloons> in addition, we get to all meet each other if we haven't. It's a sync up. Things that have happened in the past from this are basically people realizing they are working on similar goals and could work together on it. Or they could take advantage of something someone else has already done, etc
[19:09] <balloons> if no one has anything like that, well, then, it's 10 mins of your time to say hello
[19:09] <balloons> :-p
[19:10] <elfy> :)
[19:10] <balloons> afternoon Letozaf_
[19:10] <choctawhatchee> hey, balloons got a bug question regarding bug#1171061
[19:11] <balloons> choctawhatchee, bug 1171061
[19:11] <balloons> choctawhatchee, so what are you wondering about?
[19:13] <choctawhatchee> i recently sold the computer i did this test on, but these display issues do not occur with Fedora 18 xfce and lxde spins.
[19:16] <balloons> choctawhatchee, ahh.. bummer. So it's a bit hard to test / confirm a fix at this point then
[19:17] <balloons> choctawhatchee, did you use the same drivers on both?
[19:17] <choctawhatchee> yes, default drivers
[19:18] <balloons> ok, so I wonder if it was an nouveau driver difference issue, etc.. anyways, if you sold the pc, not sure there's much you can do at this point
[19:26] <choctawhatchee> i do have a agp card from that era that i could use to test in another computer
[19:28] <balloons> it might be worth closing the bug, testing on the new card and seeing how it goes
[19:28] <balloons> so you can give fresh logs, etc
[19:32] <choctawhatchee> so how do i close the bug in question?
[20:44] <balloons> Noskcaj, howdy
[20:44] <Noskcaj> morning balloons
[20:44] <balloons> how's your tuesday?
[20:45] <Noskcaj> good, i've only just woke up though
[20:45] <phillw> hi Noskcaj :)
[20:45] <balloons> hehe.. true :-)
[20:45] <Noskcaj> morning phillw
[20:46] <Noskcaj> do either of you have any idea how we can get the merges into testdrive? the devs aren't responding
[20:48] <phillw> Noskcaj: as that is a canoical issue, balloons is your best bet. Do please remember that a lot of the 'crew' have been involved in the vUDS / trying to schedule vacations etc after a release.
[20:49] <Noskcaj> phillw, ok
[20:51] <balloons> phillw, Noskcaj did you check out that we're mentioned in here? http://www.itworld.com/print/356932
[20:53] <Noskcaj> balloons, interesting read.
[21:05] <Noskcaj> balloons, just got a reply, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5685052/
[21:06] <balloons> Noskcaj, did you ask the testdrive devs about merging?
[21:07] <Noskcaj> balloons, yep, they merged both of my requests, but not howard's yet
[21:08] <balloons> Noskcaj, ahh.. you won't always get instant merges; particularly when there's code to review :-) Don't let that slow you down at any. You can hacking away and know that it will get safely merged before saucy is out
[21:08] <balloons> wow, missing some words in there :-) but you get the point
[21:09] <Noskcaj> ok, my fixes have mostly been in-code documentation fixes. i'll try and do something semi-important now
[21:09] <Noskcaj> while you're online, why do edubuntu and studio still come up as "DVD"?
[21:09] <balloons> it's all important :-)
[21:09] <phillw> Noskcaj: +1, merges have to really happen before the end of the month. getting them in now reduces the 'paper-work' :D
[21:10] <balloons> Noskcaj, because they are dvd's ;-)
[21:10] <phillw> +1
[21:10] <balloons> afaik, studio and edubuntu only produce dvd versions
[21:10] <Noskcaj> balloons, but aren't ubuntu and kubuntu now dvd size too?
[21:11] <phillw> balloons: Noskcaj indeed they do. AFAIK, only lubuntu has a CD sized ISO
[21:12] <balloons> Noskcaj, yes everyone but lubuntu has >cd size images
[21:13] <balloons> however, the target is more a flash drive than a dvd
[21:13] <Noskcaj> balloons, oh, ok,
[21:13] <balloons> Noskcaj, right.. the release team decided a couple cycles ago to allow the image to grow organically
[21:14] <balloons> it was limited to cd size but it was harder and harder to meet that each time
[21:14] <balloons> so it's just slightly too big for a cd now :-)
[21:14] <phillw> Noskcaj: and believe you me, for lubuntu to maintain CD size is not easy!
[21:15] <Noskcaj> phillw, keep trying, we need a non-netboot iso
[21:17] <phillw> Noskcaj: I have made julien aware of the fact alternate iso no longer works. As it has been dropped by everyone else, this is a large task to force upon lubuntu what it used to be maintained by canonical people :'(
[21:18] <Noskcaj> phillw, i assume you can't just copy stuff from netboot
[21:23] <phillw> Noskcaj: in the past, cdupdate worked with an alternate cd http://askubuntu.com/questions/202945/how-to-upgrade-from-12-04-to-12-10-using-cd this is no longer supported, which came as complete news to us :(
[21:45] <chilicuil> balloons: hi there, I've seen you've updated a bunch of bugs, I'm already working on the first work item, currently downloading every ubuntu flavor to check whether they have or not manual testcases
[21:47] <balloons> chilicuil, you rock! Yes, this goes for phillw Noskcaj SergioMeneses too. I scheduled out the work items into months for when I plan to work on them. In some cases your work item (if you agreed to help) might have been moved as well. You certainly don't need to move the work items into a month if you don't wish to. But it should help you see what's going on and what I'll be attempting to work on when..
[21:49] <Noskcaj> i'll do what i can, contact me tomorrow, i have school in 15min and cadets in the evening
[21:50] <balloons> Noskcaj, it's just information for you.. This is our big board to track all the work going on: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-community-quality.html
[21:50] <balloons> you've got 2 work items :-)
[21:50] <balloons> but you've got the cycle to plan and do them in
[21:54] <phillw> balloons: chilicuil the test cases for lubuntu are "a work in progress" for 13.10, our aim is for post 13.10 to aim our meagre resources to 14.04 which will be our 1st LTS.
[21:55] <balloons> phillw, I'm excitied to see you and team working on them
[21:56] <phillw> balloons: 13.10 may be a bit 'rough round the edges', we are forced to release it for reasons you well know.
[21:56] <Noskcaj> Has anything happened towards getting the xubuntu testcases automated?
[21:57] <balloons> Noskcaj, elfy and knome are the people to chat with about xubuntu. However, in general, we're trying to push forward autopilot again :-)
[21:58] <chilicuil> phillw: ok, so you want I skip lubuntu?, otherwise I'll fill lots of reports =P
[21:58] <thomi> also, join #ubuntu-autopilot :)
[21:58] <thomi> balloons: ^^
[21:58] <thomi> oh, you're already there
[21:58] <phillw> Noskcaj: when ever you get an update on test-drive, please do let the team know as https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities/Classroom_13.10#Section_3 needs planning
[21:58] <thomi> sorry
[21:58] <balloons> thomi, :-) I've been spying already
[21:59] <phillw> chilicuil: we HAVE to release a 13.10, the desktop support time is now only 9 months.
[21:59] <balloons> but yes, thomi and friends in #ubuntu-autopilot are raring to help (ohh wait, that's last cycle haha)
[22:03] <Noskcaj> phillw, i'm yet to have either of the devs available at a time howard and i are awake, i'll let you know if anything happens
[22:04] <phillw> balloons: chilicuil our devs are working hard on splitting GTK applications to Qt. Hence the original idea of leaving 13.10 out. To be honest, things are a mess with GTK and as Canonical seem to be heading to Qt they are working as fast as they can. chilicuil there is no reason not to flag up test cases for lubuntu that need doing. The Qt replacements will have to have the same functionality.
[22:07] <phillw> our major one, pcmanfm, already does have a test suite. This does need updating, of that I am aware.
[22:11] <chilicuil> phillw: yep, tests 1511, then I'll check out what tests are missing in lubuntu, thanks for the update =)
[22:13] <phillw> chilicuil: after my disk crash and the updates to the qa staging area for test cases, I'm not sure how many of the lubuntu specific test cases are still there on 'apps'.
[22:14] <phillw> chilicuil: balloons got most, if not all, of them transferred
[22:52] <SergioMeneses> I havent items yet http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/group/topic-s-community-quality.html
[22:53] <SergioMeneses> balloons, phillw and when is the first cadence week? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Saucy
[22:54] <phillw> SergioMeneses: I have no idea, lubuntu have reverted back to alpha / beta :)
[22:55] <SergioMeneses> phillw, I see
[22:55] <phillw> It just did not work for us.
[22:57] <SergioMeneses> phillw, why?
[22:57] <balloons> SergioMeneses, no work items eh?
[22:58] <balloons> well your welcome to add your name to something ;-)
[22:58] <balloons> SergioMeneses, first cadence week will probably be around alpha 1
[22:58] <SergioMeneses> balloons, I'm just kidding :P Im going to give a hand about servers
[22:58] <phillw> SergioMeneses: because we were not pushing for a specific application to be heavily tested.
[22:58] <SergioMeneses> phillw, sounds good
[22:58] <balloons> however we have an idea that was proposed that I have to mockup for everyone to look at
[22:59] <SergioMeneses> balloons, sure
[22:59] <balloons> basically following all our core packages all cycle
[23:03] <phillw> balloons: I'd love to have pcmanfm as an auto test, but that is like writing what nautillus does!
[23:03] <balloons> it's certainly possible
[23:04] <phillw> balloons: there are now two versions of pcmanfm.... GTK and QT.... Would a test case work with each of them?
[23:05] <balloons> ohh, there is a qt version eh
[23:05] <balloons> well, you could right the tests just against the qt version
[23:05] <balloons> *write
[23:05] <phillw> i.e. is test case system agnostic between GTK and QT?
[23:05] <balloons> they would not be the same
[23:05] <balloons> they could be very similar though
[23:06] <phillw> balloons: in that case, as the changes are pretty fundamental to lubuntu (and other flavours who use pcmanfm), I'd rather, at this point in time use humans.
[23:10] <phillw> balloons: pcman is not only an excellent surgeon (that's his day job) he is also a very good documenter. I do not know how to spread this area he has written out to other teams (including ubuntu), but do have a read... http://blog.lxde.org/
[23:20] <phillw> balloons: I've just looked at the link.... ::Mind Blown::  That is an MOTU at his best!
[23:21] <balloons> nice!
[23:21] <balloons> he's treading new ground :-)
[23:24] <phillw> he is writing documentation so others can follow. That does take a special kind of person.....
[23:27] <phillw> hay, let's not write a conversion from GTK that says "hello world" into QT.... Let's instead re-write the whole pcmanfm to it. To coin a phrase from the Apollo missions... "And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how we do things".
[23:29] <phillw> which as a surgeon in the hospital, is a phrase he will know and practice each day. That he has the mental energy to carry on with lxde and add documentation for other teams is amazing.
[23:44] <balloons> well said