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MooDoomorning07:34
MartijnVdS\o07:35
SuperMattmorning07:35
* MartijnVdS is back home!07:37
MartijnVdS\o/07:37
mungbeanfavourite place you visited?07:38
MartijnVdSmungbean: Minack theatre07:39
MartijnVdSmungbean: see g+ for a video :)07:39
TheOpenSourcererMartijnVdS: The Minack is great isn't it. Did you see a performance or just visiting?07:43
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: I saw Nerina Pallot there07:43
TheOpenSourcererCool. I've just wandered around it before, not seen show. Always fancied seeing a bit of Shakespeare there myself.07:44
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPVS_iGK9U07:45
MartijnVdSdear btrfs, what the HELL are you doing?07:46
TheOpenSourcererNice - not my cup tea musically but the setting is great.07:46
MartijnVdS(thrashing, I know, but why?)07:46
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SuperMattwoo, I removed tracker (and gnome-documents) and now my PC is lightning fast07:51
MartijnVdSI have neither installed and my PC is dog slow07:52
* MartijnVdS blames btrfs07:52
MartijnVdSand the 5400RPM disk07:52
SuperMattI still haven't had a good experience with btfs07:58
SuperMattbut the one thing I do know is that btrfs and vms don't really work too well together07:59
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JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Monday and happy World Metrology Day! :-D08:26
MooDoolol08:27
Myrttimetrology?08:27
JamesTaitMyrtti, http://www.worldmetrologyday.org/08:28
JamesTait"Measuring stuff accurately", basically.08:29
Myrttiright08:29
MartijnVdSJamesTait: metric or imperial?08:30
JamesTaitMartijnVdS, yes, probably.08:32
JamesTaitMartijnVdS, I think, given that it's celebrating the signing of the Metre Convention, metric.08:33
JamesTaitBut that could just be a cunning ploy to confuse the unwary.08:33
MartijnVdSJamesTait: Good thing only the US, Burma and (in part) the UK still use it then ;)08:37
BigRedSI love how the UK has gone from using the 'confusing' imperial system to a more confusing mish-mash of imperial and metric08:38
JamesTaitMartijnVdS, yeah, but we'll convert the rest eventually. ;)08:38
MartijnVdSBigRedS: I had a speed conversion sticker on my window last week08:39
MartijnVdSBigRedS: "50? Here? Oh wait they mean 80."08:39
JamesTaitBigRedS, the classic example being fuel - I buy my petrol by the litre, and measure my fuel economy in miles per gallon.08:39
MartijnVdSJamesTait: See we do that in km/liter :)08:40
JamesTaitMartijnVdS, I've also seen litres/100km.08:40
JamesTaitJust to really confuse things.08:40
MartijnVdSbut that's an easy conversion, relatively08:41
JamesTaitExcept that its an inversion of what we're used to. 50mpg is better than 40mpg, so my brain is wired to think that 20litres/100km is better than 10litres/100km.08:43
JamesTaitBecause the bigger the number in the fuel economy display, the better, right?08:43
MartijnVdSah yes08:48
MartijnVdSMy SMART runs 20.7km/l08:48
MartijnVdSat least, it did last week on long drives :)08:48
BigRedSI only know fuel consumption in miles-per-tank08:53
MartijnVdSI know driving to cornwall and back was not as expensive as I thought it would be ;)09:00
Laneywhy can't i find anyone who delivers newspapers around here? doesn't that happen any more? :(09:00
dwatkinsLaney: don't the local newsagents do it?09:04
Laneyno09:04
Laneyi don't know of any friendly newsagents like that nearby09:05
Laneysainsburys, tesco, spar09:05
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AlanBellfuel consumption should be measured in mm^209:14
MartijnVdSAlanBell: ml/mm09:15
MartijnVdSoh you mean mm³/mm? :)09:15
AlanBellthe units cancel :)09:16
AlanBell0.04831 mm^209:17
AlanBellis your 20.7km/l in mm^209:17
directhexrods/hogshead09:19
mgdmthat's the way I likes it09:19
AlanBell981600 rd/hhd then09:19
MartijnVdSnanocenturies!09:20
mgdmmicrofortnights!09:21
MartijnVdSmgdm: light-nanoseconds!09:21
MartijnVdSattoparsecs per microfortnights!09:21
mgdmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system09:21
mgdm"Another notable constant based on those units is the speed of light, known as "Strapp's Constant" (Jock "Strapp" Marshall), which is 1.8026×1012 furlongs/fortnight."09:22
mgdmwhere the 1012 is actually 10^12, clearly09:22
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:24
MartijnVdS\o09:24
AlanBellwhat happens to light-leapyears?09:24
brobostigonmorning MartijnVdS and AlanBell09:24
AlanBellah, light years are based on 365.25 days obviously enough09:25
MartijnVdSAlso, don't they use parsecs usually?09:26
* mgdm shrugs09:26
* MartijnVdS listens to some more CHVRCHES.. they should really release an album soon!09:27
mgdmthere's 3 and a bit parsecs to a light year, so unless it makes maths simpler I'm not sure there's much difference09:27
shaunonever thought about the 1/4 day.  I long for the day my fuel consumption has to be accurate to 0.003 lightyears09:27
mgdmso that you can exactly predict when you have enough fuel to make it to the next service station on the hyperspace bypass?09:28
MartijnVdSspeaking of service stations09:30
MartijnVdSThey're almost twice as far apart as in the Netherlands09:31
shaunowhich is why you go before you go.09:32
mgdmI bet that's fun if you don't take that into account along with the miles/km difference09:32
MartijnVdSmgdm: good thing my car can go from Harwich to Minehead (Exmoor) on just over one tank ;)09:33
mgdmI have no idea where those places are, but it sounds good09:34
MartijnVdSmgdm: Near Ipswich, and near Taunton?09:36
MartijnVdSmgdm: also, gmaps :)09:37
shaunomgdm: what the rest of us know as "the south"09:37
mgdmshauno: heh09:38
MartijnVdS"The Souf"09:38
mgdmMartijnVdS: yeah, when I get round to it :-) I know where Ipswich is09:38
MartijnVdSmgdm: and Exmoor? :)09:38
mgdmStill dn't know about Taunton, though09:38
mgdmI've heard of Exmoor, don't know where it is either09:38
mungbeanmiddle of nowhere. its great09:39
shaunoExmoor's difficult.  just when I think I know what they're talking about, I realise I'm thinking of dartmoor09:39
mgdmshauno: when I used to live in Lewis I once went to a conference calling itself 'PHP North West', where I had to travel 300 miles south to get to it09:39
mungbeanholidayed in exmoor last yr09:39
mungbeancan recommend a nice place09:39
mgdmerr, 478 miles south, apparently. \o/09:41
shaunoI can't imagine there's much you don't have to go south for from there09:41
mungbeani will be holidaying on portland island this year, thats pretty far south09:43
shaunoI've never lived much further north than glasgow-ish (gareloch/loch long).  anything past that is just a wilderness that we feed coachloads of bluehairs to09:43
MartijnVdSshauno: I went to Minack theatre (near land's end), which was quite good :)09:44
mgdmshauno: true, but it didn't stop me winding them up about their name09:44
mgdmshauno: and, oi :P09:44
davmor2Morning all10:06
MartijnVdS\o10:08
shaunoso today's theme is vpns killing kittens :/10:31
MartijnVdSdeath to kittens!10:34
shaunoI'm so close to a working configuration.  except it turns my wifi off the moment the server gives me the thumbs up.  perplexed.10:37
shaunocompletely OT here, but .. grrrrrrr10:37
diplomorning all10:49
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wintellecthey andre11:55
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davmor2shauno = "kittens"  lets see how he bands around the term kill kittens now :D12:47
shaunoI dunno, this grumble grumble is taking a pretty good shot at me too12:51
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cptcelhey everyone.. i just installed ubuntu, worked fine for about 24 hours, now i'm not sure what i did but unity doesn't load no matter what i do13:59
cptceli have a feeling it's because i tried to switch to nvidia drivers but now i can't switch back - graphical driver switcher fails to apply changes and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing14:00
bigcalmGood afternoon peeps :)14:48
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davmor2bigcalm: BOO!15:05
bigcalmOh my15:06
bigcalmWhat's new?15:06
SuperMatta baby15:07
SuperMattrelatively so15:07
ubuntuGodhi all15:10
bigcalmSuperMatt: yours?15:15
SuperMattno, I was just suggesting that babies are relatively new15:16
MooDooSuperMatt: i think youi'll find babies have been around for millions of years ;)15:18
bigcalmWhat he said15:19
SuperMattyes, but babies what are currently babies are quite new15:20
bigcalm:D15:20
mungbeanmine is 8 weeks old: http://ubuntuone.com/0cImRHlVUg1Ri2ejsUYyvd15:21
knightwisehey everyone16:41
knightwisehave you guys seen the interview with stallman on Unity ?16:41
brobostigonhi knightwise16:43
AlanBellis there a new one knightwise?16:48
bigcalmI wonder if popey ever got his train tickets16:55
davmor2knightwise: is that the stallman monologue on how evil Ubuntu is and it's full of spyware?16:58
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AlanBellthink I might try out this recipe later http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1505633/?utm_expid=13353178-717:45
MartijnVdSAlanBell: marmite on bread?17:45
MartijnVdSah toast even!17:46
AlanBellyeah, marmite on bread wouldn't count as "cooking"17:46
MartijnVdSAlanBell: unless you made your own bread and/or marmite17:46
* MartijnVdS just had a "Broeders" beer, made by my brothers! :)17:47
MartijnVdSYay South of England ;) https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/587749100231985323317:50
MartijnVdSExcept 3 streets from popey's home, where I hit a curb ;)17:50
assymetricUbuntu is so facking terrible.18:14
assymetricUbuntu is so facking terrible.18:14
MartijnVdS!language18:15
lubotu3Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional.18:15
assymetricWhy teh fak is it so bloated18:15
MartijnVdS!ops18:15
lubotu3Help!  dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N18:15
Myrttiassymetric: oh come on now18:15
MartijnVdSassymetric: Do you have any specific questions?18:15
Myrttitadah!18:16
MartijnVdS\o/18:16
TheOpenSourcererStupid Question for the evening... I want to mount my S3 phone (Stock Samsung Android 4.1.2) on my machine so I can do some file management. Apart from Shotwell, everything else I try shows me just the top level completely empty directories in the S3 file system18:19
TheOpenSourcererI'm on 12.04 on this machine.18:19
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: you may need to install the new ptp layer (it's a PPA I think)18:20
MartijnVdSalso, set the phone from PTP to MTP, which is "multi"media not just photos18:20
TheOpenSourcererI've set it to MTP and installed MTPFS18:20
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: mtpfs isn't the right thing.. you need the new & improved mtp libraries18:21
MartijnVdSit got fixed in 12.10 or 13.04 I think18:21
MartijnVdSand there is a backport to 12.0418:21
TheOpenSourcererYou mean this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/upgrade-to-gvfs-with-mtp-support-in.html18:21
MartijnVdSyes!18:21
TheOpenSourcererThanks installing now.18:22
AlanBellare stupidly cheap things like this reflashable with ubuntu? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Android-TV-Dongle-Box-Stick-Smart-TV-Player-Mini-PC-wifi-HDMI-with-2-Host-USB-/261210498123?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item3cd15be44b18:23
penguin42AlanBell: Ish18:23
penguin42AlanBell: The freeness of the kernels varies and you don't necessarily get much choice - so you're stuck on one kernel for some models; some models also have very broken flash code that can only be unbricked from Windows18:25
MartijnVdSeven the cheap chinese crap ones?18:25
penguin42AlanBell: The spec on that seems a bit odd as well, Allwinner A10 is Cortex A8 not the better A918:25
penguin42MartijnVdS: Especially18:26
MartijnVdSpenguin42: *shudder*18:26
penguin42The problem is it's very CPU specific; so A10 lots of people are working with, rk3066 has two levels of reflash where the deepest one is windows only to reflash (and I've bricked mine and don't have Windows)18:26
TheOpenSourcererNope - Still an empty list. :-D18:27
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: does it work in other OSes?18:27
TheOpenSourcererI don't have any *other* OSes18:28
MartijnVdSMy Galaxy Nexus shows "Internal filesystem" in the root, then all the media directories and some app stuff further down18:28
MartijnVdS(using nautilus, not an mtpfs mount)18:28
TheOpenSourcererHuzaah!!! Needed to log out to load the new gvfs I think. I can now see the file system18:41
MartijnVdS*\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/*18:41
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: yay!18:41
TheOpenSourcererTY MartijnVdS18:41
diploevening all18:49
MartijnVdS\o diplo18:49
diploHow are we all ?18:49
MartijnVdSBit sleepy18:50
MartijnVdSdidn't sleep very well on the boat last night18:50
diplo:(18:56
diploI've not slept properly in 2+ months18:57
MartijnVdSdiplo: Kid? :)18:57
diploI have 2, but nope18:57
diploill :/18:57
diploBeen going on for 5+ months now18:57
MartijnVdSdiplo: mungbean was complaining about that18:57
diploThey think i have a thing called Horners syndrome, basically have a permanent migraine/pain in my left arm18:58
MartijnVdSouch18:59
diploMaybe a damaged nerve, but can't find it.. had MRI's and CT's amongst 20+ other tests probably19:00
MartijnVdSthat sounds very not good19:00
diploNope :/ I could deal with the pain / problems, whats getting me more is 3-5weeks between appointments! So sloooooow19:01
penguin42diplo: I'm glad I've got med insurance for that type of thing19:02
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diployeah, I'd prefer to pay Private and not NHS at times. Other times NHS can be great19:07
BLOOMBERG_UBUNTU is garbage19:31
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Myrttiwell at least this channel was saved from his outbursts...20:15
diplo:P21:05
JezHello.21:55
DaraelGreetings.21:55
JezWhere might I find further support with regard to Auto-Apt, please?21:58
JezSpecifically getting it install packages.  It keeps getting stuck trying to install them.  Then I made the mistake of running it under sudo and couldn't turn it off.21:59
JezOr exit from the Root account in the Terminal either.21:59
DaraelAuto-apt never did work for me the way I expected... I can't help myself, but I suggest #ubuntu as the main Ubuntu support channel.22:06
DaraelJez: ^ - sorry for the delay in my response.22:06

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