[07:34] <MooDoo> morning
[07:35] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:35] <SuperMatt> morning
[07:37]  * MartijnVdS is back home!
[07:37] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[07:38] <mungbean> favourite place you visited?
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Minack theatre
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: see g+ for a video :)
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: The Minack is great isn't it. Did you see a performance or just visiting?
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: I saw Nerina Pallot there
[07:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool. I've just wandered around it before, not seen show. Always fancied seeing a bit of Shakespeare there myself.
[07:45] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPVS_iGK9U
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> dear btrfs, what the HELL are you doing?
[07:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice - not my cup tea musically but the setting is great.
[07:46] <MartijnVdS> (thrashing, I know, but why?)
[07:51] <SuperMatt> woo, I removed tracker (and gnome-documents) and now my PC is lightning fast
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> I have neither installed and my PC is dog slow
[07:52]  * MartijnVdS blames btrfs
[07:52] <MartijnVdS> and the 5400RPM disk
[07:58] <SuperMatt> I still haven't had a good experience with btfs
[07:59] <SuperMatt> but the one thing I do know is that btrfs and vms don't really work too well together
[08:26] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Monday and happy World Metrology Day! :-D
[08:27] <MooDoo> lol
[08:27] <Myrtti> metrology?
[08:28] <JamesTait> Myrtti, http://www.worldmetrologyday.org/
[08:29] <JamesTait> "Measuring stuff accurately", basically.
[08:29] <Myrtti> right
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: metric or imperial?
[08:32] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, yes, probably.
[08:33] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I think, given that it's celebrating the signing of the Metre Convention, metric.
[08:33] <JamesTait> But that could just be a cunning ploy to confuse the unwary.
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Good thing only the US, Burma and (in part) the UK still use it then ;)
[08:38] <BigRedS> I love how the UK has gone from using the 'confusing' imperial system to a more confusing mish-mash of imperial and metric
[08:38] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, yeah, but we'll convert the rest eventually. ;)
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: I had a speed conversion sticker on my window last week
[08:39] <MartijnVdS> BigRedS: "50? Here? Oh wait they mean 80."
[08:39] <JamesTait> BigRedS, the classic example being fuel - I buy my petrol by the litre, and measure my fuel economy in miles per gallon.
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: See we do that in km/liter :)
[08:40] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I've also seen litres/100km.
[08:40] <JamesTait> Just to really confuse things.
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> but that's an easy conversion, relatively
[08:43] <JamesTait> Except that its an inversion of what we're used to. 50mpg is better than 40mpg, so my brain is wired to think that 20litres/100km is better than 10litres/100km.
[08:43] <JamesTait> Because the bigger the number in the fuel economy display, the better, right?
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> My SMART runs 20.7km/l
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> at least, it did last week on long drives :)
[08:53] <BigRedS> I only know fuel consumption in miles-per-tank
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> I know driving to cornwall and back was not as expensive as I thought it would be ;)
[09:00] <Laney> why can't i find anyone who delivers newspapers around here? doesn't that happen any more? :(
[09:04] <dwatkins> Laney: don't the local newsagents do it?
[09:04] <Laney> no
[09:05] <Laney> i don't know of any friendly newsagents like that nearby
[09:05] <Laney> sainsburys, tesco, spar
[09:14] <AlanBell> fuel consumption should be measured in mm^2
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: ml/mm
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> oh you mean mm³/mm? :)
[09:16] <AlanBell> the units cancel :)
[09:17] <AlanBell> 0.04831 mm^2
[09:17] <AlanBell> is your 20.7km/l in mm^2
[09:19] <directhex> rods/hogshead
[09:19] <mgdm> that's the way I likes it
[09:19] <AlanBell> 981600 rd/hhd then
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> nanocenturies!
[09:21] <mgdm> microfortnights!
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: light-nanoseconds!
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> attoparsecs per microfortnights!
[09:21] <mgdm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system
[09:22] <mgdm> "Another notable constant based on those units is the speed of light, known as "Strapp's Constant" (Jock "Strapp" Marshall), which is 1.8026×1012 furlongs/fortnight."
[09:22] <mgdm> where the 1012 is actually 10^12, clearly
[09:24] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:24] <AlanBell> what happens to light-leapyears?
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS and AlanBell
[09:25] <AlanBell> ah, light years are based on 365.25 days obviously enough
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> Also, don't they use parsecs usually?
[09:26]  * mgdm shrugs
[09:27]  * MartijnVdS listens to some more CHVRCHES.. they should really release an album soon!
[09:27] <mgdm> there's 3 and a bit parsecs to a light year, so unless it makes maths simpler I'm not sure there's much difference
[09:27] <shauno> never thought about the 1/4 day.  I long for the day my fuel consumption has to be accurate to 0.003 lightyears
[09:28] <mgdm> so that you can exactly predict when you have enough fuel to make it to the next service station on the hyperspace bypass?
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> speaking of service stations
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> They're almost twice as far apart as in the Netherlands
[09:32] <shauno> which is why you go before you go.
[09:32] <mgdm> I bet that's fun if you don't take that into account along with the miles/km difference
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: good thing my car can go from Harwich to Minehead (Exmoor) on just over one tank ;)
[09:34] <mgdm> I have no idea where those places are, but it sounds good
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: Near Ipswich, and near Taunton?
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: also, gmaps :)
[09:37] <shauno> mgdm: what the rest of us know as "the south"
[09:38] <mgdm> shauno: heh
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> "The Souf"
[09:38] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: yeah, when I get round to it :-) I know where Ipswich is
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: and Exmoor? :)
[09:38] <mgdm> Still dn't know about Taunton, though
[09:38] <mgdm> I've heard of Exmoor, don't know where it is either
[09:39] <mungbean> middle of nowhere. its great
[09:39] <shauno> Exmoor's difficult.  just when I think I know what they're talking about, I realise I'm thinking of dartmoor
[09:39] <mgdm> shauno: when I used to live in Lewis I once went to a conference calling itself 'PHP North West', where I had to travel 300 miles south to get to it
[09:39] <mungbean> holidayed in exmoor last yr
[09:39] <mungbean> can recommend a nice place
[09:41] <mgdm> err, 478 miles south, apparently. \o/
[09:41] <shauno> I can't imagine there's much you don't have to go south for from there
[09:43] <mungbean> i will be holidaying on portland island this year, thats pretty far south
[09:43] <shauno> I've never lived much further north than glasgow-ish (gareloch/loch long).  anything past that is just a wilderness that we feed coachloads of bluehairs to
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I went to Minack theatre (near land's end), which was quite good :)
[09:44] <mgdm> shauno: true, but it didn't stop me winding them up about their name
[09:44] <mgdm> shauno: and, oi :P
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:31] <shauno> so today's theme is vpns killing kittens :/
[10:34] <MartijnVdS> death to kittens!
[10:37] <shauno> I'm so close to a working configuration.  except it turns my wifi off the moment the server gives me the thumbs up.  perplexed.
[10:37] <shauno> completely OT here, but .. grrrrrrr
[10:49] <diplo> morning all
[11:55] <wintellect> hey andre
[12:47] <davmor2> shauno = "kittens"  lets see how he bands around the term kill kittens now :D
[12:51] <shauno> I dunno, this grumble grumble is taking a pretty good shot at me too
[13:59] <cptcel> hey everyone.. i just installed ubuntu, worked fine for about 24 hours, now i'm not sure what i did but unity doesn't load no matter what i do
[14:00] <cptcel> i have a feeling it's because i tried to switch to nvidia drivers but now i can't switch back - graphical driver switcher fails to apply changes and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing
[14:48] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[15:05] <davmor2> bigcalm: BOO!
[15:06] <bigcalm> Oh my
[15:06] <bigcalm> What's new?
[15:07] <SuperMatt> a baby
[15:07] <SuperMatt> relatively so
[15:10] <ubuntuGod> hi all
[15:15] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: yours?
[15:16] <SuperMatt> no, I was just suggesting that babies are relatively new
[15:18] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: i think youi'll find babies have been around for millions of years ;)
[15:19] <bigcalm> What he said
[15:20] <SuperMatt> yes, but babies what are currently babies are quite new
[15:20] <bigcalm> :D
[15:21] <mungbean> mine is 8 weeks old: http://ubuntuone.com/0cImRHlVUg1Ri2ejsUYyvd
[16:41] <knightwise> hey everyone
[16:41] <knightwise> have you guys seen the interview with stallman on Unity ?
[16:43] <brobostigon> hi knightwise
[16:48] <AlanBell> is there a new one knightwise?
[16:55] <bigcalm> I wonder if popey ever got his train tickets
[16:58] <davmor2> knightwise: is that the stallman monologue on how evil Ubuntu is and it's full of spyware?
[17:45] <AlanBell> think I might try out this recipe later http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1505633/?utm_expid=13353178-7
[17:45] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: marmite on bread?
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> ah toast even!
[17:46] <AlanBell> yeah, marmite on bread wouldn't count as "cooking"
[17:46] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: unless you made your own bread and/or marmite
[17:47]  * MartijnVdS just had a "Broeders" beer, made by my brothers! :)
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> Yay South of England ;) https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5877491002319853233
[17:50] <MartijnVdS> Except 3 streets from popey's home, where I hit a curb ;)
[18:14] <assymetric> Ubuntu is so facking terrible.
[18:14] <assymetric> Ubuntu is so facking terrible.
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> !language
[18:15] <assymetric> Why teh fak is it so bloated
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> !ops
[18:15] <Myrtti> assymetric: oh come on now
[18:15] <MartijnVdS> assymetric: Do you have any specific questions?
[18:16] <Myrtti> tadah!
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Stupid Question for the evening... I want to mount my S3 phone (Stock Samsung Android 4.1.2) on my machine so I can do some file management. Apart from Shotwell, everything else I try shows me just the top level completely empty directories in the S3 file system
[18:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm on 12.04 on this machine.
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: you may need to install the new ptp layer (it's a PPA I think)
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> also, set the phone from PTP to MTP, which is "multi"media not just photos
[18:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've set it to MTP and installed MTPFS
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: mtpfs isn't the right thing.. you need the new & improved mtp libraries
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> it got fixed in 12.10 or 13.04 I think
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> and there is a backport to 12.04
[18:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> You mean this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/upgrade-to-gvfs-with-mtp-support-in.html
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> yes!
[18:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks installing now.
[18:23] <AlanBell> are stupidly cheap things like this reflashable with ubuntu? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Android-TV-Dongle-Box-Stick-Smart-TV-Player-Mini-PC-wifi-HDMI-with-2-Host-USB-/261210498123?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item3cd15be44b
[18:23] <penguin42> AlanBell: Ish
[18:25] <penguin42> AlanBell: The freeness of the kernels varies and you don't necessarily get much choice - so you're stuck on one kernel for some models; some models also have very broken flash code that can only be unbricked from Windows
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> even the cheap chinese crap ones?
[18:25] <penguin42> AlanBell: The spec on that seems a bit odd as well, Allwinner A10 is Cortex A8 not the better A9
[18:26] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Especially
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: *shudder*
[18:26] <penguin42> The problem is it's very CPU specific; so A10 lots of people are working with, rk3066 has two levels of reflash where the deepest one is windows only to reflash (and I've bricked mine and don't have Windows)
[18:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope - Still an empty list. :-D
[18:27] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: does it work in other OSes?
[18:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> I don't have any *other* OSes
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> My Galaxy Nexus shows "Internal filesystem" in the root, then all the media directories and some app stuff further down
[18:28] <MartijnVdS> (using nautilus, not an mtpfs mount)
[18:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Huzaah!!! Needed to log out to load the new gvfs I think. I can now see the file system
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/*
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: yay!
[18:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> TY MartijnVdS
[18:49] <diplo> evening all
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> \o diplo
[18:49] <diplo> How are we all ?
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> Bit sleepy
[18:50] <MartijnVdS> didn't sleep very well on the boat last night
[18:56] <diplo> :(
[18:57] <diplo> I've not slept properly in 2+ months
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> diplo: Kid? :)
[18:57] <diplo> I have 2, but nope
[18:57] <diplo> ill :/
[18:57] <diplo> Been going on for 5+ months now
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> diplo: mungbean was complaining about that
[18:58] <diplo> They think i have a thing called Horners syndrome, basically have a permanent migraine/pain in my left arm
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> ouch
[19:00] <diplo> Maybe a damaged nerve, but can't find it.. had MRI's and CT's amongst 20+ other tests probably
[19:00] <MartijnVdS> that sounds very not good
[19:01] <diplo> Nope :/ I could deal with the pain / problems, whats getting me more is 3-5weeks between appointments! So sloooooow
[19:02] <penguin42> diplo: I'm glad I've got med insurance for that type of thing
[19:07] <diplo> yeah, I'd prefer to pay Private and not NHS at times. Other times NHS can be great
[19:31] <BLOOMBERG_> UBUNTU is garbage
[20:15] <Myrtti> well at least this channel was saved from his outbursts...
[21:05] <diplo> :P
[21:55] <Jez> Hello.
[21:55] <Darael> Greetings.
[21:58] <Jez> Where might I find further support with regard to Auto-Apt, please?
[21:59] <Jez> Specifically getting it install packages.  It keeps getting stuck trying to install them.  Then I made the mistake of running it under sudo and couldn't turn it off.
[21:59] <Jez> Or exit from the Root account in the Terminal either.
[22:06] <Darael> Auto-apt never did work for me the way I expected... I can't help myself, but I suggest #ubuntu as the main Ubuntu support channel.
[22:06] <Darael> Jez: ^ - sorry for the delay in my response.