[07:34] morning [07:35] \o [07:35] morning [07:37] * MartijnVdS is back home! [07:37] \o/ [07:38] favourite place you visited? [07:39] mungbean: Minack theatre [07:39] mungbean: see g+ for a video :) [07:43] MartijnVdS: The Minack is great isn't it. Did you see a performance or just visiting? [07:43] TheOpenSourcerer: I saw Nerina Pallot there [07:44] Cool. I've just wandered around it before, not seen show. Always fancied seeing a bit of Shakespeare there myself. [07:45] TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmPVS_iGK9U [07:46] dear btrfs, what the HELL are you doing? [07:46] Nice - not my cup tea musically but the setting is great. [07:46] (thrashing, I know, but why?) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [07:51] woo, I removed tracker (and gnome-documents) and now my PC is lightning fast [07:52] I have neither installed and my PC is dog slow [07:52] * MartijnVdS blames btrfs [07:52] and the 5400RPM disk [07:58] I still haven't had a good experience with btfs [07:59] but the one thing I do know is that btrfs and vms don't really work too well together === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:26] Good morning all, happy Monday and happy World Metrology Day! :-D [08:27] lol [08:27] metrology? [08:28] Myrtti, http://www.worldmetrologyday.org/ [08:29] "Measuring stuff accurately", basically. [08:29] right [08:30] JamesTait: metric or imperial? [08:32] MartijnVdS, yes, probably. [08:33] MartijnVdS, I think, given that it's celebrating the signing of the Metre Convention, metric. [08:33] But that could just be a cunning ploy to confuse the unwary. [08:37] JamesTait: Good thing only the US, Burma and (in part) the UK still use it then ;) [08:38] I love how the UK has gone from using the 'confusing' imperial system to a more confusing mish-mash of imperial and metric [08:38] MartijnVdS, yeah, but we'll convert the rest eventually. ;) [08:39] BigRedS: I had a speed conversion sticker on my window last week [08:39] BigRedS: "50? Here? Oh wait they mean 80." [08:39] BigRedS, the classic example being fuel - I buy my petrol by the litre, and measure my fuel economy in miles per gallon. [08:40] JamesTait: See we do that in km/liter :) [08:40] MartijnVdS, I've also seen litres/100km. [08:40] Just to really confuse things. [08:41] but that's an easy conversion, relatively [08:43] Except that its an inversion of what we're used to. 50mpg is better than 40mpg, so my brain is wired to think that 20litres/100km is better than 10litres/100km. [08:43] Because the bigger the number in the fuel economy display, the better, right? [08:48] ah yes [08:48] My SMART runs 20.7km/l [08:48] at least, it did last week on long drives :) [08:53] I only know fuel consumption in miles-per-tank [09:00] I know driving to cornwall and back was not as expensive as I thought it would be ;) [09:00] why can't i find anyone who delivers newspapers around here? doesn't that happen any more? :( [09:04] Laney: don't the local newsagents do it? [09:04] no [09:05] i don't know of any friendly newsagents like that nearby [09:05] sainsburys, tesco, spar === alan_g is now known as alan_g|physio [09:14] fuel consumption should be measured in mm^2 [09:15] AlanBell: ml/mm [09:15] oh you mean mm³/mm? :) [09:16] the units cancel :) [09:17] 0.04831 mm^2 [09:17] is your 20.7km/l in mm^2 [09:19] rods/hogshead [09:19] that's the way I likes it [09:19] 981600 rd/hhd then [09:20] nanocenturies! [09:21] microfortnights! [09:21] mgdm: light-nanoseconds! [09:21] attoparsecs per microfortnights! [09:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system [09:22] "Another notable constant based on those units is the speed of light, known as "Strapp's Constant" (Jock "Strapp" Marshall), which is 1.8026×1012 furlongs/fortnight." [09:22] where the 1012 is actually 10^12, clearly [09:24] good morning everyone. [09:24] \o [09:24] what happens to light-leapyears? [09:24] morning MartijnVdS and AlanBell [09:25] ah, light years are based on 365.25 days obviously enough [09:26] Also, don't they use parsecs usually? [09:26] * mgdm shrugs [09:27] * MartijnVdS listens to some more CHVRCHES.. they should really release an album soon! [09:27] there's 3 and a bit parsecs to a light year, so unless it makes maths simpler I'm not sure there's much difference [09:27] never thought about the 1/4 day. I long for the day my fuel consumption has to be accurate to 0.003 lightyears [09:28] so that you can exactly predict when you have enough fuel to make it to the next service station on the hyperspace bypass? [09:30] speaking of service stations [09:31] They're almost twice as far apart as in the Netherlands [09:32] which is why you go before you go. [09:32] I bet that's fun if you don't take that into account along with the miles/km difference [09:33] mgdm: good thing my car can go from Harwich to Minehead (Exmoor) on just over one tank ;) [09:34] I have no idea where those places are, but it sounds good [09:36] mgdm: Near Ipswich, and near Taunton? [09:37] mgdm: also, gmaps :) [09:37] mgdm: what the rest of us know as "the south" [09:38] shauno: heh [09:38] "The Souf" [09:38] MartijnVdS: yeah, when I get round to it :-) I know where Ipswich is [09:38] mgdm: and Exmoor? :) [09:38] Still dn't know about Taunton, though [09:38] I've heard of Exmoor, don't know where it is either [09:39] middle of nowhere. its great [09:39] Exmoor's difficult. just when I think I know what they're talking about, I realise I'm thinking of dartmoor [09:39] shauno: when I used to live in Lewis I once went to a conference calling itself 'PHP North West', where I had to travel 300 miles south to get to it [09:39] holidayed in exmoor last yr [09:39] can recommend a nice place [09:41] err, 478 miles south, apparently. \o/ [09:41] I can't imagine there's much you don't have to go south for from there [09:43] i will be holidaying on portland island this year, thats pretty far south [09:43] I've never lived much further north than glasgow-ish (gareloch/loch long). anything past that is just a wilderness that we feed coachloads of bluehairs to [09:44] shauno: I went to Minack theatre (near land's end), which was quite good :) [09:44] shauno: true, but it didn't stop me winding them up about their name [09:44] shauno: and, oi :P [10:06] Morning all [10:08] \o [10:31] so today's theme is vpns killing kittens :/ [10:34] death to kittens! [10:37] I'm so close to a working configuration. except it turns my wifi off the moment the server gives me the thumbs up. perplexed. [10:37] completely OT here, but .. grrrrrrr [10:49] morning all === alan_g|physio is now known as alan_g === joel is now known as Guest97707 [11:55] hey andre === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:47] shauno = "kittens" lets see how he bands around the term kill kittens now :D [12:51] I dunno, this grumble grumble is taking a pretty good shot at me too === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:59] hey everyone.. i just installed ubuntu, worked fine for about 24 hours, now i'm not sure what i did but unity doesn't load no matter what i do [14:00] i have a feeling it's because i tried to switch to nvidia drivers but now i can't switch back - graphical driver switcher fails to apply changes and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does nothing [14:48] Good afternoon peeps :) === ubuntuuser is now known as ubuntuGod [15:05] bigcalm: BOO! [15:06] Oh my [15:06] What's new? [15:07] a baby [15:07] relatively so [15:10] hi all [15:15] SuperMatt: yours? [15:16] no, I was just suggesting that babies are relatively new [15:18] SuperMatt: i think youi'll find babies have been around for millions of years ;) [15:19] What he said [15:20] yes, but babies what are currently babies are quite new [15:20] :D [15:21] mine is 8 weeks old: http://ubuntuone.com/0cImRHlVUg1Ri2ejsUYyvd [16:41] hey everyone [16:41] have you guys seen the interview with stallman on Unity ? [16:43] hi knightwise [16:48] is there a new one knightwise? [16:55] I wonder if popey ever got his train tickets [16:58] knightwise: is that the stallman monologue on how evil Ubuntu is and it's full of spyware? === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:45] think I might try out this recipe later http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/1505633/?utm_expid=13353178-7 [17:45] AlanBell: marmite on bread? [17:46] ah toast even! [17:46] yeah, marmite on bread wouldn't count as "cooking" [17:46] AlanBell: unless you made your own bread and/or marmite [17:47] * MartijnVdS just had a "Broeders" beer, made by my brothers! :) [17:50] Yay South of England ;) https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5877491002319853233 [17:50] Except 3 streets from popey's home, where I hit a curb ;) [18:14] Ubuntu is so facking terrible. [18:14] Ubuntu is so facking terrible. [18:15] !language [18:15] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [18:15] Why teh fak is it so bloated [18:15] !ops [18:15] Help! dgjones, Myrtti, Mez, AlanBell, popey, Gary, Seeker`, Daviey, PriceChild or X3N [18:15] assymetric: oh come on now [18:15] assymetric: Do you have any specific questions? [18:16] tadah! [18:16] \o/ [18:19] Stupid Question for the evening... I want to mount my S3 phone (Stock Samsung Android 4.1.2) on my machine so I can do some file management. Apart from Shotwell, everything else I try shows me just the top level completely empty directories in the S3 file system [18:19] I'm on 12.04 on this machine. [18:20] TheOpenSourcerer: you may need to install the new ptp layer (it's a PPA I think) [18:20] also, set the phone from PTP to MTP, which is "multi"media not just photos [18:20] I've set it to MTP and installed MTPFS [18:21] TheOpenSourcerer: mtpfs isn't the right thing.. you need the new & improved mtp libraries [18:21] it got fixed in 12.10 or 13.04 I think [18:21] and there is a backport to 12.04 [18:21] You mean this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/01/upgrade-to-gvfs-with-mtp-support-in.html [18:21] yes! [18:22] Thanks installing now. [18:23] are stupidly cheap things like this reflashable with ubuntu? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Android-TV-Dongle-Box-Stick-Smart-TV-Player-Mini-PC-wifi-HDMI-with-2-Host-USB-/261210498123?pt=UK_Sound_Vision_Internet_TV_Media_Streamers&hash=item3cd15be44b [18:23] AlanBell: Ish [18:25] AlanBell: The freeness of the kernels varies and you don't necessarily get much choice - so you're stuck on one kernel for some models; some models also have very broken flash code that can only be unbricked from Windows [18:25] even the cheap chinese crap ones? [18:25] AlanBell: The spec on that seems a bit odd as well, Allwinner A10 is Cortex A8 not the better A9 [18:26] MartijnVdS: Especially [18:26] penguin42: *shudder* [18:26] The problem is it's very CPU specific; so A10 lots of people are working with, rk3066 has two levels of reflash where the deepest one is windows only to reflash (and I've bricked mine and don't have Windows) [18:27] Nope - Still an empty list. :-D [18:27] TheOpenSourcerer: does it work in other OSes? [18:28] I don't have any *other* OSes [18:28] My Galaxy Nexus shows "Internal filesystem" in the root, then all the media directories and some app stuff further down [18:28] (using nautilus, not an mtpfs mount) [18:41] Huzaah!!! Needed to log out to load the new gvfs I think. I can now see the file system [18:41] *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* *\o/* [18:41] TheOpenSourcerer: yay! [18:41] TY MartijnVdS [18:49] evening all [18:49] \o diplo [18:49] How are we all ? [18:50] Bit sleepy [18:50] didn't sleep very well on the boat last night [18:56] :( [18:57] I've not slept properly in 2+ months [18:57] diplo: Kid? :) [18:57] I have 2, but nope [18:57] ill :/ [18:57] Been going on for 5+ months now [18:57] diplo: mungbean was complaining about that [18:58] They think i have a thing called Horners syndrome, basically have a permanent migraine/pain in my left arm [18:59] ouch [19:00] Maybe a damaged nerve, but can't find it.. had MRI's and CT's amongst 20+ other tests probably [19:00] that sounds very not good [19:01] Nope :/ I could deal with the pain / problems, whats getting me more is 3-5weeks between appointments! So sloooooow [19:02] diplo: I'm glad I've got med insurance for that type of thing === SirCrispinTheJew is now known as GentileBen [19:07] yeah, I'd prefer to pay Private and not NHS at times. Other times NHS can be great [19:31] UBUNTU is garbage === penguin421 is now known as penguin42 [20:15] well at least this channel was saved from his outbursts... [21:05] :P [21:55] Hello. [21:55] Greetings. [21:58] Where might I find further support with regard to Auto-Apt, please? [21:59] Specifically getting it install packages. It keeps getting stuck trying to install them. Then I made the mistake of running it under sudo and couldn't turn it off. [21:59] Or exit from the Root account in the Terminal either. [22:06] Auto-apt never did work for me the way I expected... I can't help myself, but I suggest #ubuntu as the main Ubuntu support channel. [22:06] Jez: ^ - sorry for the delay in my response.