| * seattlegaucho .oO( valorie's blog was worth reading ... along with the video) | 18:13 | |
| bkerensa | valorie: you have a chance to read Jono's blog post? | 19:35 |
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| valorie | I looked it over, but not in depth, no | 23:05 |
| valorie | my impression was that he sort of missed the point | 23:06 |
| valorie | being defensive is what is causing the rift | 23:06 |
| valorie | and publicly calling out you and mark: Not Cool | 23:06 |
| valorie | I specifically didn't call out anyone, or called out everyone, depending on how you look at it | 23:07 |
| valorie | I got a chance to listen to the /community session last night and love the concept | 23:08 |
| valorie | it's exactly what we are doing with our kubuntu docs: putting only what is necessary, and linking to everything else | 23:09 |
| bkerensa | valorie: so yeah I agree | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | valorie: while at the same time I wish he would tone down on that video | 23:11 |
| bkerensa | valorie: CoC does not mean that he gets to use it to censor private sharing or discussions I have | 23:12 |
| bkerensa | thats not the intent of the CoC... well not the version I signed anyways | 23:12 |
| valorie | the whole point is that we need to be open about the issues | 23:13 |
| valorie | being defensive etc. kills the trust | 23:13 |
| valorie | the customer isn't always right, but when they are dissatisfied, the one thing you know is that you have a problem | 23:14 |
| valorie | they are acting like their fingers are in their ears while they sing la-la-la | 23:14 |
| valorie | anyway, I don't want to complain, because that doesn't help | 23:15 |
| valorie | sorry | 23:15 |
| valorie | I like that we are paring down the bureaucracy | 23:15 |
| valorie | but I'm a bit scared that the leadership meetings will be used to go around the governance committees | 23:16 |
| valorie | I would find that Not Cool | 23:16 |
| bkerensa | well the leadership meetings are supposed to be compromised of the governance | 23:23 |
| bkerensa | I sat one one of the first ones | 23:23 |
| bkerensa | and basically Jono promised more transparency and telling us about stuff | 23:24 |
| bkerensa | then this all happened | 23:24 |
| bkerensa | and when I remind him | 23:24 |
| bkerensa | yes the fingers in ears la-la-la | 23:24 |
| valorie | there are procedures for open-ness | 23:25 |
| valorie | mail lists, blogs, the gov. committees | 23:25 |
| valorie | what isn't open is doing everything behind closed doors, and then yelling 'surprise' and expecting everyone to be pleased and happy | 23:26 |
| bkerensa | true enough | 23:26 |
| valorie | or worse, saying nothing | 23:26 |
| valorie | and expecting everyone to intuit that it's all gonna be OK | 23:27 |
| bkerensa | You know at LFNW we discussed me getting some harsh PM's | 23:27 |
| bkerensa | well | 23:27 |
| bkerensa | when I saw that post | 23:27 |
| bkerensa | I was like... really going to bring up disrespect and CoC? After the PM's I got from people at Canonical? | 23:27 |
| bkerensa | come on now | 23:27 |
| bkerensa | its like calling the kettle black | 23:28 |
| bkerensa | The pot calling the kettle black* | 23:28 |
| valorie | indeed, but that's the point | 23:28 |
| valorie | they do not see the things they said as equivalent | 23:29 |
| valorie | that's what privilege does to you | 23:29 |
| valorie | it blinds you | 23:29 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 23:29 |
| bkerensa | I'm not saying I'm perfect | 23:29 |
| bkerensa | nor saying that whole video thing was ok | 23:29 |
| bkerensa | but | 23:29 |
| bkerensa | lets not point fingers especially so publicly | 23:30 |
| bkerensa | when your own hands are not very clean of the same conduct | 23:30 |
| bkerensa | I really wanted to leave him a comment | 23:30 |
| bkerensa | but I knew it would come back full circle with more PM's or something | 23:30 |
| bkerensa | so idk | 23:30 |
| * bkerensa is going to go check on his soap | 23:30 | |
| bkerensa | ;p | 23:30 |
| valorie | I'll comment eventually | 23:32 |
| valorie | no hurry; you notice how slowly I published the blog | 23:32 |
| valorie | i waited until I was calm, then sweated blood, then waited to publish | 23:32 |
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