[18:13] * seattlegaucho .oO( valorie's blog was worth reading ... along with the video) [19:35] valorie: you have a chance to read Jono's blog post? [23:05] I looked it over, but not in depth, no [23:06] my impression was that he sort of missed the point [23:06] being defensive is what is causing the rift [23:06] and publicly calling out you and mark: Not Cool [23:07] I specifically didn't call out anyone, or called out everyone, depending on how you look at it [23:08] I got a chance to listen to the /community session last night and love the concept [23:09] it's exactly what we are doing with our kubuntu docs: putting only what is necessary, and linking to everything else [23:11] valorie: so yeah I agree [23:11] valorie: while at the same time I wish he would tone down on that video [23:12] valorie: CoC does not mean that he gets to use it to censor private sharing or discussions I have [23:12] thats not the intent of the CoC... well not the version I signed anyways [23:13] the whole point is that we need to be open about the issues [23:13] being defensive etc. kills the trust [23:14] the customer isn't always right, but when they are dissatisfied, the one thing you know is that you have a problem [23:14] they are acting like their fingers are in their ears while they sing la-la-la [23:15] anyway, I don't want to complain, because that doesn't help [23:15] sorry [23:15] I like that we are paring down the bureaucracy [23:16] but I'm a bit scared that the leadership meetings will be used to go around the governance committees [23:16] I would find that Not Cool [23:23] well the leadership meetings are supposed to be compromised of the governance [23:23] I sat one one of the first ones [23:24] and basically Jono promised more transparency and telling us about stuff [23:24] then this all happened [23:24] and when I remind him [23:24] yes the fingers in ears la-la-la [23:25] there are procedures for open-ness [23:25] mail lists, blogs, the gov. committees [23:26] what isn't open is doing everything behind closed doors, and then yelling 'surprise' and expecting everyone to be pleased and happy [23:26] true enough [23:26] or worse, saying nothing [23:27] and expecting everyone to intuit that it's all gonna be OK [23:27] You know at LFNW we discussed me getting some harsh PM's [23:27] well [23:27] when I saw that post [23:27] I was like... really going to bring up disrespect and CoC? After the PM's I got from people at Canonical? [23:27] come on now [23:28] its like calling the kettle black [23:28] The pot calling the kettle black* [23:28] indeed, but that's the point [23:29] they do not see the things they said as equivalent [23:29] that's what privilege does to you [23:29] it blinds you [23:29] yeah [23:29] I'm not saying I'm perfect [23:29] nor saying that whole video thing was ok [23:29] but [23:30] lets not point fingers especially so publicly [23:30] when your own hands are not very clean of the same conduct [23:30] I really wanted to leave him a comment [23:30] but I knew it would come back full circle with more PM's or something [23:30] so idk [23:30] * bkerensa is going to go check on his soap [23:30] ;p [23:32] I'll comment eventually [23:32] no hurry; you notice how slowly I published the blog [23:32] i waited until I was calm, then sweated blood, then waited to publish