[05:48] <Squirm> morning
[05:49] <Kilos> hi Squirm and others
[06:10] <Kilos> Squirm, do you know xubuntu?
[06:10] <Kilos> i cant get sound working
[06:11] <Kilos> oh its xchat dont work. pidgin works
[06:19] <Kilos> lotsa mist today goosie must travelled slowly to work
[06:37] <superfly> hi Kilos, Squirm
[06:37] <Kilos> hi superfly min dae
[07:13] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:13] <Kilos> lo tonberry352_ sakhi 
[07:14] <tonberry352_> morning
[07:14] <maiatoday> hello tonberry352_ Kilos 
[07:15] <magespawn> good morning
[07:15] <Kilos> hi magespawn nlsthzn 
[07:15] <nlsthzn> Good Monday uncle Kilos
[07:15] <nlsthzn> and all]
[07:21] <Kilos> oh my lost again
[07:26] <not_found> :D
[07:26] <not_found> aren't we all
[07:26] <Kilos> hehe
[07:36] <Kilos> maybe tonight we can hit 50 nicks
[07:38] <Kilos> not_found, you clever! whats with the agenda page, cant find where to add items
[07:38] <not_found> we have an agenda page?
[07:38] <not_found> this meeting sounds all proper now
[07:38] <Kilos> http://bit.ly/ZmAtlw
[07:39] <Kilos> there was always one that showed the agenda bit by bit
[07:39] <Kilos> methinks the monkey changed it now no one can add items
[07:39] <not_found> I logged in and then I have a button that says add agenda item
[07:40] <Kilos> gonna cut off his banana supply
[07:40] <Kilos> oh my
[07:40] <not_found> right above the first item on the agenda
[07:40] <Kilos> then maybe goosie fixed it
[07:40] <not_found> stranger things have happened
[07:41] <Kilos> we have a new chair tonight
[07:42] <not_found> vince eh?
[07:42] <Kilos> ya
[07:42] <not_found> cool
[07:52] <not_found> :/ I have so little to do and I don't even do that... guess I have time to get the reports up to date now... Will need some heavy metal for this...
[07:52] <Kilos> wbb
[08:03] <not_found> does anyone have a blog post about the global jam that was done in March?  Or shall I just link to the follow up post of all the activities that is available on the mailing list?
[08:15] <Kilos> hi aquarat 
[08:15] <aquarat> lol
[08:16] <aquarat> hey Kilos
[08:16] <not_found> I have an ubuntu hour that was scheduled for Sun 3rd March - http://ubuntu-za.org/news/2013/02/18/ubuntu-hour-jhb-sunday-3-march-2013 but I don't have a link for feedback, a blog or photo's or anything... did it even happen!?
[08:18] <Kilos> youll have to ask queery or one of the gauteng okeys tonight
[08:18] <Kilos> add it to the agenda
[08:18] <Kilos> hehe
[08:18] <Kilos> i spose in events
[08:19] <not_found> hmmm... hope I remember :D - we need to have a google doc or something to help keep track of stuff like this
[08:23] <not_found> hmmm... also wonder if there were any release parties last month
[08:23] <not_found> >.<
[08:24] <Kilos> ya there was
[08:24] <Kilos> was some feedback in the list
[08:24] <Kilos> also them gauteng peeps
[08:25] <not_found> looking at the archive for april and not seeing anything 
[08:25] <Kilos> hmm
[08:25] <Kilos> maybe it was here
[08:25] <not_found> I should have a look at G+ also
[08:25] <Kilos> oh ya something about intimate
[08:26]  * not_found can't check now cause photo's being uploaded to g+ currently :/
[08:26] <Kilos> lemme see what i can scroll back to here and find
[08:27] <not_found> no worries uncle Kilos ... 
[08:28] <Kilos> oh there was some feedback in the tweet place
[08:28] <not_found> hmmm... k, will go have a look thansk
[08:28] <not_found> *thanks
[08:28] <Kilos> from a new guy
[08:29] <Kilos> i dunno if one can see all tweets in ubuntuza
[08:29] <not_found> afaik you can
[08:29] <Kilos> not via pidgin
[08:30] <Kilos> thats what i use
[08:30] <not_found> pidgin for tweets not the best afaik :p
[08:30] <Kilos> nope i dont like twitter so just drop a post with pidgin then close it again
[08:38] <Kilos> we need to rev queery about feed back
[08:38] <Kilos> again
[08:44] <not_found> checked twitter and nothing there to use :/
[08:44] <Kilos> ya i dont think they gave any actual feedback or links
[08:56] <Kilos> sup magespawn ?
[08:57] <Kilos> so quiet
[08:59] <not_found> well the reports are as done as I can get them for now...
[08:59] <Kilos> thats fine ty not_found 
[09:00] <Kilos> you shouldnt have to chase after feedback
[09:01] <not_found> if I do it in a more timely fashion it would also be easier :p
[09:01] <not_found> thinking back months not the best
[09:01] <Kilos> ya
[09:31] <nuvolari_> o/ hi oom Kilos 
[09:31] <Maaz_> nuvolari_: By the way, magespawn on freenode told me "tell nuvolari_ that both sites display fine on the phone" 23 hours, 7 minutes and 16 seconds ago
[09:31] <nuvolari_> oom not_found 
[09:31] <nuvolari_> :P
[09:31] <nuvolari_> magespawn: thanks!
[09:31] <Kilos> lo nuvolari_ gaanit?
[09:31] <nuvolari_> goed dankie en met oom?
[09:32] <not_found> >.>
[09:32] <Kilos> goed dankie. hoekom is jy so skaars
[09:39] <Symmetria> wow, there are linux drivers for the printer Im about to buy, Im kinda suprised
[09:40] <Kilos> linux just keeps getting better
[09:41] <Symmetria> heh, waiting to find out just how much that printer is gonna cost
[09:51] <Symmetria> actually a lot cheaper than I thought, 28 grand
[09:54] <not_found> 3d printer?
[09:56] <Symmetria> nah, giant photographic inkjet
[10:07] <not_found> ah
[10:08] <afrodeity> https://www.facebook.com/events/474257305987287/?fref=ts
[10:08] <Kilos> hi afrodeity 
[10:08] <afrodeity> You are all invited to the inaugural OBS HACKFEST, this coming Saturday
[10:09] <afrodeity> Am looking for an UBUNTU LoCo rep to be one of the REFS
[10:09] <not_found> interesting handle afrodeity ...
[10:09] <afrodeity> Also there is a slot on the programme for the obligatory UBUNTU DEMO
[10:10] <afrodeity> But please consider this an opportunity to spread your linux distro of choice
[10:10] <afrodeity> Hi Kilos
[10:10] <afrodeity> Hi not_found
[10:11] <not_found> hi
[10:12] <afrodeity> So bring your Robots, showcase your Arduino projects and Hack Code and Pizza
[10:12] <afrodeity> The event is being held in conjunction with OPEN STREET INITIATIVE and 100 things in 1 Day
[10:13] <afrodeity> hence the short lead time
[10:25] <sakhi> afrodeity: see you Saturday in Obz.
[10:28] <Kilos> actually that could be added as an event at tonights meeting maybe
[10:36] <mazal> Hi everyone
[10:36] <Kilos> hi mazal where you been
[10:36] <mazal> Very busy oom kilos
[10:36] <Kilos> whew too busy for irc
[10:36] <Kilos> thats bad
[10:36] <mazal> Yeah
[10:36] <Kilos> meeting tonight hey
[10:37] <mazal> Was able to install 13.04 at least :)
[10:37] <Kilos> ah
[10:37] <Kilos> i prefer 12.04
[10:37] <mazal> Can't say that I have issues. Except lag in unity that is still there from 12.10
[10:38] <mazal> Had a issue at install , but you prob read about it in the mailing list
[10:38] <Kilos> ya its all the extra eye candy
[10:38] <mazal> But very happy with 13.04 so far.
[10:39] <Kilos> only short support times now
[10:39] <mazal> And in other news I have just moved
[10:39] <afrodeity> right, its the monthly online meeting tonite?
[10:39] <Kilos> so im sticking with lts releases
[10:39] <mazal> So still sorting out all that work
[10:39] <Kilos> moved where
[10:39] <mazal> Different flat
[10:40] <mazal> Still on Zonnies
[10:40] <Kilos> ah thats ok
[10:40] <mazal> Come October I'm gonna try the direct upgrade for the first time
[10:41] <mazal> Never tried that before
[10:41] <Kilos> i found it made everything slower
[10:41] <Kilos> but the fly does upgrades everytime
[10:41] <mazal> Since one now basically have to go up every 6 months I need to find an easier way
[10:41] <Kilos> lol
[10:42] <Kilos> ya and only dvds with lts releases
[10:42] <mazal> What get's me is all the exra stuff that needs to be added. Takes so much time
[10:42] <Kilos> no more cds for the others
[10:43] <mazal> So I hope with a direct update those will stay in tacts
[10:43] <Kilos> thats why you got the backup tool
[10:43] <Kilos> dejadup i think its called
[10:43] <mazal> Backups don't help
[10:44] <mazal> You have your data , but you still need to apt-get all the applications
[10:44] <mazal> I have a lengthy list of extra software I need
[10:44] <Kilos> there must be another tool to help with that
[10:45] <mazal> And there is only 1 way to get them on there lol
[10:45] <mazal> You have to install them hehehe
[10:45] <Kilos> maybe aptoncd is sorted 
[10:46] <mazal> Then you have debs , but the problem is new version of Ubuntu often don't use the same debs for some apps
[10:46] <Kilos> it used to open with synaptic and you could tick upgrade all or something  and it would do the lot
[10:46] <Kilos> oh ya
[10:46] <mazal> Some day , someone is gonna find an easy way :-)
[10:47] <Kilos> im thinking of clean installs of same release
[10:48] <Kilos> you still like unity?
[10:48] <charl> good morning
[10:48] <charl> good afternoon, excuse me, i slept in ;)
[10:48] <mazal> Yep , I miss it when I work on a pc without it
[10:48] <charl> Maaz_: coffee on
[10:48]  * Maaz_ starts grinding coffee
[10:48] <Kilos> im using kubuntu and xubuntu as well
[10:48] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:49] <mazal> Lo charl 
[10:49] <charl> hi Kilos
[10:49] <Kilos> Maaz_, coffee please
[10:49] <Maaz_> Kilos: Alrighty
[10:49] <charl> hi mazal 
[10:49] <Kilos> Maaz_, large
[10:49] <Maaz_> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[10:49] <mazal> Het Maaz_ al geleer steak braai ?
[10:49] <Kilos> nee hy wil nie
[10:52] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[10:52] <Kilos> Maaz_, dankie
[10:52] <Maaz_> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[10:55] <Kilos> mazal, you keeping your servers on lts i hope
[10:56] <Kilos> 5 years support
[10:56] <mazal> yep , not fiddling with those
[10:56] <Kilos> good
[10:56] <mazal> But that support is only half support
[10:56] <Kilos> should be all one needs 
[10:56] <mazal> Only certain things are covered. Many apps doesn't get updated
[10:57] <Kilos> if they work why update them
[10:57] <Kilos> leave well enough alone
[10:57] <mazal> Is why I installed 13.04. I want to use the latest software too
[10:57] <Kilos> ya thats fine for personal use but not big servers
[10:58] <mazal> Server is way too big job to do frequently also hehehe
[10:58] <Kilos> hehe
[10:58] <charl> Maaz_: thanks
[10:58] <Maaz_> charl: Okay :-)
[10:58] <Kilos> with them you can do the upgrade route to next lts
[10:59] <mazal> I think I will stick with re-install on them hehe
[10:59] <Kilos> hehe
[10:59] <mazal> Or , will clone and then try the upgrade way
[11:00] <Kilos> worth a try on one i think
[11:00] <mazal> And if it breaks you fix lol
[11:00] <Kilos> but i think you still gotta install apps
[11:01] <Kilos> for the new one that is
[11:01] <Kilos> yeah
[11:02] <Kilos> the pro is moving his whole company to another premises so he has major work
[11:02] <Kilos> dont even come for coffee
[11:02] <mazal> jo
[11:03] <mazal> That is huge work
[11:03] <magespawn> probably claim that as a reason for not being here
[11:03] <Kilos> lol ya he does
[11:03] <Kilos> will be too tired to attend the meeting
[11:06] <Kilos> haha not_found new handle tonight
[11:11] <Kilos-> ai!
[11:13] <magespawn> thought i was seeing double trouble there for a second
[11:16] <Kilos-> wb magespawn 
[11:16] <Kilos> hi amanica 
[11:16] <magespawn> ty and you too
[11:17] <Kilos> hehe
[11:17] <Kilos> modem disconnected for some reason
[11:17] <Kilos> had to move to another socket
[11:17] <amanica> hi Kilos, yeah firing up the 'l irc client and try to catch the meeting tonight :)
[11:17] <Kilos> port hole whatever
[11:17] <Kilos> good amanica 
[11:20] <Kilos> Maaz_, change nick to maaz
[11:20] <Maaz_> Kilos: Just do it yourself
[11:20] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:21] <Kilos> magespawn, we could hit 50 tonight
[11:22] <magespawn> yup looking good
[11:24] <Kilos> we could have a prob getting maaz to listen to vinnie
[11:25] <magespawn> still need to have inetpro or someone grant the permissions
[11:25] <magespawn> maybe superfly?
[11:26] <Kilos> ya but they might not be here
[11:27] <Kilos> oh my
[11:30] <magespawn> i do not know anyone else who has the rights to gran those permissions
[11:32] <Kilos> maybe the weed
[11:33] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[11:33] <Vince-0> hi!
[11:33] <Kilos> you can add at the agenda now
[11:33] <Kilos> someone fixed it
[11:33] <Vince-0> oow, something changed?
[11:33] <Vince-0> k
[11:33] <Kilos> top of everything
[11:34] <magespawn> maybe, what is superflys reason for not coming? also busy?
[11:34] <Kilos> he is packing to go see you but said he will lurk
[11:35] <Kilos> we gonna hit new record tonight im sure
[11:35] <Kilos> last was 46
[11:35] <magespawn> packing for the holiday, i remember
[11:35] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:35] <Vince-0> I'm posting to the dbnlug list about meeting 
[11:36] <Kilos> cool
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, um, hi
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> :)
[11:39] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[11:39] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[11:40] <Kilos> Maaz_, announce Meeting here tonight at 19.30 all of you
[11:40] <Maaz_> Announcement from Kilos! Meeting here tonight at 19.30 all of you
[11:50] <Vince-0> hmm, I see MIles' addition to the agenda but I don't know where to add. I will bring it up when the time comes
[11:56] <Xethron> heya Kilos 
[11:56] <Xethron> Thank you
[11:57] <Kilos> Vince-0, at the top is the add goody
[11:57] <Kilos> i added already
[11:57] <superfly> magespawn: I see you in 2.5 weeks :-)
[11:58] <Kilos> click on that
[11:58] <magespawn> cool beans superfly
[11:58] <Kilos> it says add agenda item
[12:07] <afrodeity> where is agenda link
[12:07] <Vince-0> Kilos, nope - don't see it. May be a permissions problem
[12:07] <Vince-0> http://bit.ly/ZmAtlw
[12:08] <Vince-0> afrodeity, in the channel header
[12:08] <Kilos> you gotta login Vince-0 
[12:09] <Kilos> what was it Vince-0 ill try add for you
[12:09] <Kilos> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/575/detail/
[12:09] <Kilos> thats hwere i am now
[12:09] <Kilos> where
[12:10] <Vince-0> yup
[12:10] <Vince-0> launchpad ID: vinceswart
[12:10] <Kilos> wow i see it above Welcome
[12:10] <Kilos> oh my
[12:12] <Vince-0> ya I keep getting silly openID/single sign on errors on the sites
[12:12] <Kilos> ok what did you wanna add? ill do it
[12:13] <Kilos> i forgot what it was about
[12:13] <Vince-0> I just wanted to talk about last week's developer summit if anyone was following it there were some things affecting the community
[12:13] <Vince-0> but I haven't prepared properly for it
[12:13] <Vince-0> yet
[12:14] <Kilos> should that go in events?
[12:16] <Vince-0> ooh I dunno
[12:16] <Kilos> lol
[12:16] <Kilos> me neither
[12:17] <Vince-0> I think Wez will chair this one anyways- we can just add it on the fly tonight
[12:17] <Kilos> ill dump a short note in events
[12:17] <Xethron> brb
[12:17] <Kilos> oh ok
[12:19] <Vince-0> there is lots that happened at the UDS, I haven't been able to catch up on it all.
[12:19] <Vince-0> The only thing that caught my eye was the removal of the community site link from the ubuntu.com front page
[12:19] <Kilos> ah
[12:19] <Vince-0> so that was addressed
[12:19] <Vince-0> but there are many tracks and hangouts to review
[12:20] <Vince-0> so I make notes and review it for my dbnlug hangout next week but I thought it pertinent to the IRC discussion tonight
[12:21] <Kilos> ya if it affects us it is
[12:22] <Vince-0> I'm still trying to get understanding about how the community processes fit into Canonical's
[12:22] <Vince-0> but I think everyone should at least be aware of what happened in the UDS and have a review discussion about it
[12:23] <Kilos> maybe tumbleweed can explain that
[12:51] <mazal> Bye all
[12:58] <tumbleweed> hello?
[12:58] <tumbleweed> Vince-0: I wasn't following the community track
[12:58] <Vince-0> tumbleweed, surp
[12:58] <Vince-0> ah! so what else was interesting
[12:59] <tumbleweed> but I saw from the wrap-up that tehy want to kill approved locos. That sounds fine to me
[13:00] <Vince-0> kill approved locos? 
[13:01] <tumbleweed> make approved and unapproved the same thing
[13:02] <Vince-0> ah
[13:02] <tumbleweed> there are no CDs anymore, anyway
[13:03] <Vince-0> yep, also stopping the brainstorm project
[13:07] <Kilos> Xethron, how did you find us
[13:07] <Kilos> are you a ubuntu/linux  user?
[13:08] <Xethron> I've been here before...
[13:08] <Xethron> Linux Mint
[13:08] <Xethron> And did use ubuntu as my main os few years back.
[13:08] <Kilos> well welcome back then
[13:08] <Kilos> we any flavour friendly
[13:09] <Xethron> My friends invited me to the Google+ event, and last time I missed it.. So didn't make the monthly meeting
[13:09] <Kilos> ah
[13:09] <Xethron> Lets hope I remember tonight :P
[13:09] <Kilos> lol
[13:09] <Kilos> tie a knot in something
[13:09] <Xethron> lol
[13:10] <Xethron> So yeah, short answer
[13:10] <Xethron> On Google+
[13:10] <Kilos> a good
[13:10] <Kilos> bring more guys wtih you
[13:10] <Kilos> with
[13:33] <Xethron_> kilos, will try
[14:02] <Vince-0> launchpad page reckons "Vincent Swart is not an active member of any Launchpad teams." I must have had another account in the past
[14:03] <tumbleweed> Vince-0: it was probably time for brainstorm to go
[14:03] <tumbleweed> the techboard has been struggling to look at it
[14:06] <Vince-0> yep, it's falling a bit behind without being part of the feedback loop
[14:41] <Kilos> tumbleweed, you attending tonight?
[14:42] <Kilos> we might need someone to grant chair to vince or kbmokey
[14:42] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I should be around
[14:42] <Kilos> ty 
[15:14] <nuvolari> bbiab
[15:31] <not_found> ah cool, I see the meeting is at 19:30... so I should make it in time :)
[16:39] <Kilos> hehe Xethron you didnt forget
[16:39] <Xethron> hehe
[16:39] <Xethron> indeed
[16:39] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[16:39] <Xethron> Channel getting full!
[16:39] <Kilos> this channel should be on your auto start list
[16:40] <Kilos> yeah when we get to 50 i can retire
[16:40] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:40] <Cantide> hahaha
[16:40] <Cantide> then i'll make sure we only get to 49 - to keep you here :)
[16:40] <Kilos> ai!
[16:40] <Cantide> :)
[16:41] <Kilos> you as bad as magespawn 
[16:41] <Xethron> lol
[16:41] <Xethron> Kilos: where you from? What do you do?
[16:42] <Kilos> im old and do nothing but greet peeps here
[16:42]  * Trixar_za sets mode +l 49 #ubuntu-za
[16:42] <Kilos> west of pta on a plot
[16:42] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[16:43] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[16:43] <Kilos> tongith we break the record here
[16:43] <Kilos> been 46 since drubins days
[16:44] <Cantide> Kilos, i'm trying to get one more :)
[16:44] <Kilos> nuvolari, you use xfce or xubuntu?
[16:45] <Trixar_za> I should download less
[16:45] <Kilos> hehe bundle gone again?
[16:46] <Trixar_za> Not yet, but it should be on like 900MB or 800MB by now
[16:46] <Trixar_za> Doesn't help that one big download failed at 90%
[16:47] <Kilos> thats why if i cant wget i leave it
[16:48] <Trixar_za> It was one of those cloud file hosters that makes the link expire after 2 hours
[16:48] <Trixar_za> I hate them
[16:48] <Kilos> ai!
[17:15] <charl> good evening all
[17:15] <charl> meeting starting in 15 mins?
[17:15] <charl> it's easy for my now because cest is the same as sast
[17:17]  * not_found still wonders why this channel doesn't leave a line where the last read messages are when one is away like other channels >.>
[17:17] <Cantide> cest?
[17:18] <Cantide> ah
[17:18] <Cantide> central european standard time?
[17:19] <Kilos> not_found, you should try konversation
[17:20] <Kilos> ctrl+t puts a line for you
[17:20] <not_found> but I prefer to use the best IRC client... why switch cause this channel is borked :/
[17:21] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey 
[17:21] <Kilos> welcome back
[17:21] <kbmonkey_> hello there
[17:21] <Kilos> did you fix the add item to the agenda
[17:21] <kbmonkey_> hang on
[17:21] <Kilos> oh my
[17:22] <Kilos> he thought there was work so ran away
[17:22] <kbmonkey> ah back
[17:22] <Kilos> hehe
[17:22] <kbmonkey> i logged in twice
[17:22] <Kilos> someone fixed it
[17:22] <Kilos> hi HawkiesZA 
[17:22] <HawkiesZA> Hello!
[17:22] <kbmonkey> forgot I had my shell account logged in
[17:23] <kbmonkey> hello Vince-0 kilos and HawkiesZA 
[17:23] <HawkiesZA> Hilo Kilos kbmonkey!
[17:24] <charl> Cantide: yes
[17:24] <Cantide> :)
[17:24] <Kilos> not_found, best client?
[17:25] <not_found> xchat or one of its clones ;)
[17:25] <Vince-0> hi!
[17:25] <Vince-0> I use Quassel 
[17:25] <Kilos> konversation is very very close and is more configurable
[17:25] <kbmonkey> ya I am adding the agenda item now
[17:26] <not_found> can't be KDE if you didn't have to play the configurable card :p
[17:26] <charl> no such thing as "best", depends on personal preference (as usual)
[17:26] <Kilos> even got bloep working on konversation
[17:26] <kbmonkey> irssi for the win!
[17:26] <charl> +1 for irssi though
[17:26] <not_found> my preference is the best
[17:26] <charl> lol
[17:27] <Kilos> whoever is chairing ask tumbleweed to grant chair permissions
[17:27]  * not_found wonders what music would suite the meeting the best... hmmmm....
[17:27] <nuvolari> aloha!
[17:27] <nuvolari> am I late?
[17:27] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[17:27] <HawkiesZA> Nope
[17:27] <Kilos> nope
[17:27] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[17:27] <HawkiesZA> Right on time nuvolari 
[17:27] <HawkiesZA> Also, hi
[17:28]  * afrodeity incesticide by nirvana playing 
[17:28] <nuvolari> hi HawkiesZA, not_found, charl, Cantide, <insert name here>
[17:28] <nuvolari> oh hi afrodeity 
[17:28] <Kilos> kbmonkey, Vince-0 decide now
[17:28] <not_found> hi -za
[17:28] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[17:28] <Vince-0> kbmonkey will run the bots
[17:29] <Cantide> hi nuvolari :)
[17:29] <Kilos> ah he still has permissions
[17:29] <Kilos> thats good
[17:29] <afrodeity> hi nuvolari
[17:29] <kbmonkey> I shall do maaz. Vince-0 for reference I put the commands I will use here http://pastebin.com/ZwPCiXWu
[17:29] <kbmonkey> ;)
[17:29] <Vince-0> thnkz
[17:29] <not_found> Maaz_, make me a sandwich 
[17:29] <Maaz_> not_found: What? Make it yourself.
[17:30] <not_found> Maaz_, sudo make me a sandwich 
[17:30] <Maaz_> not_found: sudo make me a sandwich is $nick is not in sudoers file. This incident will be ported.
[17:30] <not_found> >.>
[17:30] <Kilos> hehe
[17:30] <Cantide> reported? ported?
[17:30] <HawkiesZA> Ported
[17:30] <HawkiesZA> To Windows
[17:30] <not_found> nah it runs on powerpc now
[17:30] <Cantide> :p
[17:30] <nuvolari> lol!
[17:30] <HawkiesZA> You must suffer for your sins
[17:31] <Cantide> Maaz_, coffee on
[17:31]  * Maaz_ flips the salt-timer
[17:31] <nuvolari> Maaz_: coffee please
[17:31] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Alrighty
[17:31] <nuvolari> thanks
[17:31] <kbmonkey> lol Maaz_ !
[17:31] <magespawn> evening all
[17:31] <Cantide> evening~
[17:31] <Kilos> time gentlepeeps
[17:31] <kbmonkey> hello magespawn and nuvolari 
[17:31] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:32] <superfly> Maaz_: sudo make me a sandwich
[17:32] <HawkiesZA> One should teach Maaz about HTCPCP...
[17:32] <Maaz_> superfly: sudo make me a sandwich is $nick is not in sudoers file. This incident will be ported.
[17:32] <nuvolari> *gulp* kbmonkey, we need to fuse a plan for UH :P
[17:32] <magespawn> hey kbmonkey good to see you still with us
[17:32] <superfly> yay lag
[17:32] <nuvolari> it's sunday in a week
[17:32] <kbmonkey> alright nuvolari :)
[17:32] <nuvolari> hi superfly 
[17:32] <not_found> superfly, behind the times a tad eh :p
[17:32] <Kilos> hi sakhi 
[17:32] <sakhi_> hi Kilos 
[17:32] <superfly> not_found: slightly, thanks to my lag
[17:32] <sakhi_> hi #ubuntu-za
[17:33]  * nuvolari rants about the use of traffic guidelines and traffic circles
[17:33] <Symmetria> heh this is kinda cool, I hooked an ipad to my camera, and pointed it at the sky, and told it to take 45 30 second exposures 1 second apart of the night sky
[17:33]  * HawkiesZA joins nuvolari and additionally rants about the use of indicators
[17:33] <Symmetria> in theory, when I take those photos and stack them together, I should get some nifty star trails 
[17:33]  * nuvolari freaks out
[17:33] <nuvolari> I forgot about that!
[17:33] <superfly> HawkiesZA: they're not indicators, they're just guidelines
[17:34] <superfly> nuvolari: forgotten about our Ubuntu hour?
[17:34] <nuvolari> they are thought-activated
[17:34] <Cantide> hi sakhi_ :)
[17:34] <HawkiesZA> ah, yes. Guidelines, because in SA everyone is a pirate
[17:34] <nuvolari> superfly: did not forget about it, just need to get it set up, and time is running out
[17:34] <kbmonkey> guidelines are for GIMP ;)
[17:34] <nuvolari> grokking guide
[17:35] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for Cantide and nuvolari!
[17:35] <nuvolari> thanks Maaz_ 
[17:35] <nuvolari> Maaz_: botsnack
[17:35] <Maaz_> thanks, nuvolari
[17:35] <Kilos> superfly, put your foot down with a firm hand
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Is every geek settled? 
[17:35] <Kilos> meeting shoulda started
[17:35] <not_found> get on with it
[17:35] <afrodeity> whose the chair
[17:35] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, how are you looking? shall we start just now?
[17:35]  * nuvolari jumps the queue to get in
[17:36] <Xethron> Reporting in
[17:36] <kbmonkey> Kilos, we live on internet time here,lol
[17:36] <Vince-0> yar
[17:36] <Kilos> ai!
[17:36] <kbmonkey> cookies for the first 10 in line!
[17:36] <not_found> mememe
[17:36] <nuvolari> :D
[17:36] <Kilos> me please
[17:36]  * not_found is in line
[17:37] <not_found> konga!
[17:37]  * Cantide has pizza
[17:37]  * Xethron gets in line for cookies
[17:37] <nuvolari> how can not_found be in line when it's not_found ?
[17:37] <kbmonkey> okay just so the rest knows, Vince-0 will chair tonight. I shall make Maaz_ do her parlour tricks
[17:37] <Kilos> cool kbmonkey 
[17:37] <Kilos> go Vince-0 
[17:37] <not_found> nuvolari, don't hate me because I am beautiful...
[17:37] <kbmonkey> right...
[17:37] <Vince-0> oh! I thought the two were intertwined
[17:38] <kbmonkey> maaz_ start meeting Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[17:38] <Maaz_> kbmonkey: *blink*
[17:38] <not_found> lol
[17:38]  * nuvolari bugs not_found with a micro plane
[17:38] <kbmonkey> ah crud
[17:38] <HawkiesZA> No one after no_found can get a cookie because they don't know where the line is
[17:38] <not_found> it has begun
[17:38] <Vince-0> Maaz_: I'm Vincent Swart
[17:38] <Maaz_> Vince-0: Excuse me?
[17:38] <nuvolari> meeting about
[17:38] <Kilos> see i told you
[17:38] <Kilos> now beg the fly
[17:38] <kbmonkey> maaz_ start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meet
[17:38]  * Maaz_ gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[17:38] <not_found> won't think we do this every month
[17:39] <Cantide> Maaz_: I'm Karl Wortmann
[17:39] <Maaz_> Cantide: Sorry...
[17:39] <Cantide> -.-
[17:39] <kbmonkey> Take it away, Vince-0 
[17:39] <not_found> Maaz_, I am Neil Oosthuizen
[17:39] <Maaz_> not_found: Alrighty
[17:39] <superfly> Maaz_: I am Raoul Snyman
[17:39] <Maaz_> superfly: Yessir
[17:39] <not_found> >.>
[17:39] <nuvolari> not_found: well, it's the 3rd chair in 3 months, variety is good
[17:39] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, I am Wesley Werner
[17:39] <Cantide> aah
[17:39] <Maaz_> kbmonkey: Done
[17:39] <Cantide> Maaz_: I am Karl Wortmann
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> Maaz_, I'm Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:39] <Maaz_> Cantide: Done
[17:39] <Maaz_> HawkiesZA: *blink*
[17:39] <nuvolari> Maaz_: I am Johan Mynhardt
[17:39] <Maaz_> nuvolari: Righto
[17:39] <Kilos> Maaz_, I am Miles Sharpe
[17:39] <Maaz_> Kilos: Righto
[17:39] <nuvolari> howdy SmilyBorg :)
[17:39] <charl> Maaz_: I am Charl van Niekerk
[17:39] <Maaz_> charl: Done
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> Maaz_: I'm Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:39] <Maaz_> HawkiesZA: What?
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> lol
[17:39] <Vince-0> Maaz_: I am Vincent Swart
[17:39] <Maaz_> Vince-0: Righto
[17:39] <afrodeity> Maas_. I am David Robert Lewis
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> Maaz_: I am Gerrit Vermeulen
[17:39] <Maaz_> HawkiesZA: Okay
[17:39] <SmilyBorg> Maaz: I am Una Karlsen
[17:39] <Maaz_> SmilyBorg: Done
[17:39] <HawkiesZA> voila
[17:39] <Kilos> wb SmilyBorg 
[17:39] <kbmonkey> afrodeity, use your TAB key to autocomplete names, like Maaz_ 
[17:40] <SmilyBorg> hey folks
[17:40]  * HawkiesZA thinks maaz should understand contractions
[17:40] <not_found> hiya SmilyBorg .... you are one of many?
[17:40] <nuvolari> geez, we're quite a full house tonight
[17:40] <kbmonkey> hello SmilyBorg!
[17:40] <sakhi_> Maaz_: I am Sakhi Louw
[17:40] <Maaz_> sakhi_: Sure
[17:40] <afrodeity> Maaz_: I am David Robert Lewis
[17:40] <Maaz_> afrodeity: Alrighty
[17:40] <Cantide> Kilos, we're 47 strong now :)
[17:40] <superfly> HawkiesZA: Maaz_ is open source, you can do it yourself :-P
[17:40] <Kilos> magespawn, 3 to go
[17:40] <SmilyBorg> something like that not_found
[17:41] <Cantide> not 7 of 9?
[17:41] <kbmonkey> maaz_ topic Welcome
[17:41] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Welcome
[17:41] <not_found> Welcome
[17:41] <nuvolari> thanks, nice to be here
[17:41] <Xethron> Maaz_: I am Bernhard Breytenbach
[17:41] <Maaz_> Xethron: Done
[17:41] <afrodeity> been a while
[17:41] <nuvolari> hi Xethron 
[17:41] <Xethron> greetings
[17:41] <superfly> hey Xethron, long time no see
[17:41] <nuvolari> are you new here? welcome :)
[17:42] <superfly> Xethron: how's Ingress?
[17:42] <kbmonkey> wow we have so many folks here tonight!
[17:42] <Xethron> heya superfly, not very active in ingress anymore :P
[17:42] <not_found> seems like ZA the only growing ubuntu community :/
[17:42] <superfly> Xethron: level?
[17:42] <Xethron> nuvolari: jup
[17:42] <Xethron> superfly: 6
[17:42] <superfly> Xethron: ah
[17:42] <superfly> the long haul
[17:42] <HawkiesZA> not_found, That's good news
[17:42] <Xethron> superfly: you?
[17:43] <nuvolari> meh, lost ingress interest
[17:43]  * not_found tried the introduction to ingress twice...
[17:43] <superfly> Xethron: hit 8 on Friday
[17:43] <Xethron> wow, nice!
[17:43] <HawkiesZA> ubuntu_za just became Ingress_za
[17:43] <Xethron> :D
[17:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:43] <not_found> more interesting
[17:43] <nuvolari> lol
[17:43] <Xethron> lol
[17:43] <HawkiesZA> I just started playing :P
[17:43] <superfly> HawkiesZA is level 2 now, hey?
[17:44] <HawkiesZA> My usual 15 minute walk turned into an hour
[17:44] <superfly> but he seems to have some weird fixation with green
[17:44] <HawkiesZA> Yeah, hit lvl 2 on my "way" home
[17:44] <kbmonkey> ping Vince-0 - let us start with the welcome and agenda link :)
[17:44] <HawkiesZA> GREEN IZ BEST
[17:44] <Cantide> so what are the topics for ubuntu meet?
[17:44] <not_found> beer
[17:44] <Xethron> oh no, its a slimeball
[17:44] <Cantide> anyone got a link to topics?
[17:44] <Vince-0> Welcome! One and all, all and one!
[17:44] <Vince-0> the agenda link is in the channel header and here is the full link: http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/575/detail/
[17:44] <superfly> *sings* All for one, and one for all!
[17:45] <HawkiesZA> And all for love?
[17:45] <nuvolari> I didn't know you're into opera superfly ?
[17:45] <superfly> HawkiesZA: that too
[17:45] <HawkiesZA> Great, now it's the three musketeers
[17:45] <Cantide> thanks Vince-0 
[17:45] <HawkiesZA> feat Bryan Adams
[17:45] <Xethron> This meeting is so on topic
[17:45] <Xethron> :D
[17:45] <HawkiesZA> lol
[17:45] <Xethron> Love it
[17:45] <HawkiesZA> Moving along?
[17:46]  * nuvolari keeps a straight face (^^,)
[17:46] <kbmonkey> maaz_ topic Announcement and Admin
[17:46] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Announcement and Admin
[17:46] <not_found> Vince-0 is getting an initiation by fire tonight ;)
[17:46] <Kilos> looksw lke everyone has been at the bottle
[17:46] <Kilos> like
[17:46] <nuvolari> lol oom Kilos!
[17:46] <Vince-0> "Bring up any points todo with the agenda or meeting organization."
[17:46]  * not_found stared at his second beer... it stares back >.>
[17:47] <kbmonkey> s/bottle/coffee
[17:47] <Kilos> hehe
[17:47] <magespawn> Maaz_ i am Greg Eames
[17:47] <Maaz_> magespawn: Righto
[17:47] <Vince-0> are there todo points?
[17:47] <nuvolari> oh hi magespawn 
[17:47] <superfly> todo, or not todo?
[17:47] <nuvolari> UH todo
[17:47] <Kilos> lol
[17:47] <kbmonkey> Only that it looks to be an interesting meeting!
[17:48] <nuvolari> +1
[17:48] <not_found> admin... we need a central place to track things that need reporting in a month
[17:48] <not_found> so I can fin them
[17:48] <kbmonkey> I never know what to put in this topic, it seems a bit redundant unless there is soemthing planned to say
[17:48] <not_found> *find
[17:48] <superfly> I thought that's what the wiki was for?
[17:48] <not_found> google docs?
[17:49]  * afrodeity HUD no working
[17:49] <not_found> wiki is so 2000 and something, and nobody likes it
[17:49] <sakhi_> Why do we have a meeting?
[17:49] <Kilos> the prob is that there is no feedback
[17:49] <Kilos> never mind where
[17:49] <superfly> To pretend we're a LoCo?
[17:49] <nuvolari> are you high? wiki is still current >.>
[17:49] <superfly> :-P
[17:49] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos, I saw your feedback agenda item on shouting for feedback
[17:49] <HawkiesZA> To get the people together to see where things are and organise new things?
[17:50] <not_found> I need links to photo's etc. so I can link it in the WIKI to show how awesome you guys are
[17:50] <nuvolari> we're awesome in Durbs :P
[17:50] <SmilyBorg> :-)
[17:50] <kbmonkey> that reminds us, the team reports seem like they need an update
[17:50] <not_found> there was an ubunut hour in march but I have nothing to link to in the report
[17:50] <not_found> just saying
[17:51] <HawkiesZA> We would be awesome in Cape Town, but the mountain gets in the way...
[17:51] <afrodeity> The anarchist book store in OBS installed ubuntu finally
[17:51] <not_found> kbmonkey, I still have to update the front page, the pages are there
[17:51] <kbmonkey> who did the team reports after maia?
[17:51] <Kilos> shout at them not_found 
[17:51] <not_found> I forgot about the landing page...
[17:51] <not_found> give me a sec
[17:51] <not_found> oh and it was I that tried to take over... knew it was a mistake
[17:52] <not_found> :p
[17:52] <superfly> HawkiesZA: I actually tried to organise an Ubuntu Lunch Hour in CBD, but no one seemed interested.
[17:52] <Cantide> superfly, where?
[17:52] <HawkiesZA> Was this before I got here, superfly ?
[17:52] <superfly> At Bean There too...
[17:52] <superfly> HawkiesZA: indeed
[17:52] <kbmonkey> okay not_found :) let me take care of the team reports this month...
[17:52] <Cantide> which city i mean ._.
[17:52] <superfly> Cantide: Cape Town
[17:52] <Cantide> aha
[17:52] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, agreed kbmonkey to update Team Reports
[17:52] <Maaz_> Agreed: kbmonkey to update Team Reports
[17:52]  * Cantide starts walking
[17:52] <HawkiesZA> aha, well that explains it. I'd be interested :P
[17:52] <magespawn> I need to move to CPT/Durban/City
[17:53] <not_found> doing the wiki not an issue... having something to link... now that seems to be an issue
[17:53] <not_found> way to vote
[17:53] <superfly> HawkiesZA: I know that. Then it would be just you and me. We could probably call it a "work meeting" and then still take lunch. What do you think?
[17:53] <Kilos> where are the gauteng okeys
[17:54] <HawkiesZA> Kilos, they've been pretty quiet....Since I left everything just went silent :P
[17:54] <kbmonkey> well that is all my admin topic ideas. anyone else?
[17:54] <Kilos> they had a release party HawkiesZA 
[17:54] <Kilos> but no feedback
[17:54] <Kilos> grrr
[17:54] <kbmonkey> hang on okes, we can get to that in the events topic
[17:54] <HawkiesZA> hrm...At H4H Kilos ?
[17:54] <not_found> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/TeamReports/ now has what I could add to it...
[17:54] <Kilos> sorry kbmonkey 
[17:55] <kbmonkey> lol :)
[17:55] <kbmonkey> sorry Vince-0 
[17:55] <Vince-0> ey! must I keep everyone on point here
[17:55] <kbmonkey> only when they start talking about ingress ;)
[17:55] <Kilos> the chair must bang the mallet
[17:55] <kbmonkey> maaz_ topic Review previous minutes
[17:55] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Review previous minutes
[17:55] <Vince-0> since there are no more announcements, onto the next topic
[17:56] <Vince-0> last month: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-04-15-17-33-52.txt
[17:57] <Vince-0> talked about ubuntu.com redesign,
[17:57] <Cantide> also the durban meet, i've not heard more about it :/
[17:57] <Vince-0> mirror.ac.za being unreachable, 
[17:58] <kbmonkey> Umm.. so, I guess we forgot about the Ubuntu Hour planning, oops. *shuffles feet*
[17:58] <Vince-0> ya we met on May 4th for launch
[17:58] <Vince-0> even saw a fresh install on a nice new laptop
[17:58] <Vince-0> we didn't discuss the Ubuntu Hour plan
[17:59] <kbmonkey> were'nt there pics of that meet on the G+ page? not_found maybe some snaps from there to link to
[17:59] <nuvolari> June 2nd, a sunday
[17:59] <nuvolari> I don't know if we should do it in Ballito or Umhlanga
[18:00] <nuvolari> the only place coming to mind is Mugg & Bean
[18:00] <not_found> kbmonkey, was uploading photo
[18:00] <not_found> photos to g+ the whole day... will go check now
[18:00] <nuvolari> there isn't really other nice places here in Ballito (that I know about)
[18:00] <Vince-0> some pics of the KZN Ubuntu 1304 launch :https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/gallery/cbgilhq2p26eavahacp06kq06hg
[18:00] <kbmonkey> we were meant to take a photo for that diversity project too nuvolari 
[18:01] <nuvolari> :O I forgot about that
[18:01] <not_found> photo
[18:01] <not_found> photos of the ubuntu hour in jhb in march?
[18:01] <kbmonkey> It's in the previous meeting minutes
[18:01] <not_found> not that I could find this afternoon... will go look again
[18:02] <not_found> Vince-0, thanks for the link... kbmonkey for the may report ;)
[18:02] <kbmonkey> ... and the april report ;)
[18:02] <kbmonkey> is that for the previous minutes then?
[18:03] <Cantide> Vince-0, where did that happen?
[18:03] <charl> who's who in those photos... there is a guy with an epic neckbeard
[18:03] <charl> a good bunch of geeks together :)
[18:04] <Vince-0> We met in Glenwood - Davenport Square mall - Gloria Jeans
[18:04] <Cantide> ah, i could have made that -.-
[18:04] <Vince-0> there will be another
[18:04] <Cantide> i think we need a better system of arranging meetups and notifying people about them
[18:04] <kbmonkey> Cantide, you can join us for the ubuntu hour soon too
[18:05] <magespawn> maybe we need to have some sort of calender like stardates
[18:05] <Cantide> for example, Maaz could store the data, and closer to the time make hourly / daily announcements
[18:05] <HawkiesZA> Cantide, Agreed
[18:05] <Cantide> or that
[18:06] <Cantide> hourly would get a bit much, but say once a day when the channel is fullest on average, so around 6 or 7 pm every day
[18:06] <magespawn> or hey, maybe use stardates
[18:06] <Cantide> >_>
[18:06]  * Cantide googles stardates
[18:06] <mazal> Maaz I am Wikus van Dyk
[18:06] <Maaz_> mazal: Yessir
[18:06] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[18:06] <Vince-0> aren't mail lists for announcements etc
[18:06] <kbmonkey> google events link into your gcalendar with ical exports and reminders. sorted ;)
[18:06] <magespawn> stardates.co.za
[18:07] <kbmonkey> stardates sounds like a cheap dating site
[18:07] <HawkiesZA> lol
[18:07] <HawkiesZA> No man
[18:07] <kbmonkey> lol ;)
[18:07] <HawkiesZA> Like in Trek
[18:07] <magespawn> from a certain member of a certain tech/geek show
[18:07] <HawkiesZA> Indeed
[18:07] <HawkiesZA> I know the man
[18:07] <HawkiesZA> :D
[18:07] <kbmonkey> aah
[18:07] <magespawn> indeed very usuful calender
[18:08] <magespawn> useful even
[18:08] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, shall I move the next topic?
[18:08] <Vince-0> 1 more thing: keep up to date with the mail list
[18:08] <charl> i am getting "ladies online" advertisements on the front page of stardates.co.za
[18:08] <Vince-0> any meets are announced there first
[18:08] <Vince-0> ok next topic
[18:08] <kbmonkey> great point
[18:09] <kbmonkey> maaz_ topic Events
[18:09] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Events
[18:09] <kbmonkey> now for the fun topic :D
[18:09] <HawkiesZA> charl, seriously?
[18:09] <afrodeity> Feedback first it seems
[18:10] <kbmonkey> events appear before feedback on my screen
[18:10] <Symmetria> gawd, until you stack photos like this over a 20 - 30 minute time lapse, you dont realize just how much stars move in the sky
[18:10] <Vince-0> "Feedback ‒ miles.sharpe @ Mon, 20 May 2013 09:27 UTC" Please guys, try to give feedback from events as soon as possible after the event has taken place!
[18:10] <Symmetria> will upload a photo in a second, its really freaky
[18:10] <Cantide> Symmetria, low-res version requested :)
[18:10] <Vince-0> we need decent event notes to report back with
[18:10] <kbmonkey> +1 that
[18:11] <Vince-0> our meets are informal at best,
[18:11] <Vince-0> but inbetween we do mention a few interesting points worth noting
[18:11] <Kilos> the poor guys that does the reports shouldnt have to run around begging for pics and other feedback
[18:11] <charl> HawkiesZA: http://i.imgur.com/BM2ScMn.png
[18:12] <Kilos> everyone has a cellphone 
[18:12] <kbmonkey> what if we encourage partygoers to comment on the event afterwards. perhaps the event page? then we can collate them into the report later
[18:12] <afrodeity> mercury retrograde oops
[18:12] <kbmonkey> even a simple one-liner. 
[18:13] <magespawn> maybe we could a have ubuntu one for people to drop photos and write ups in
[18:13] <Kilos> queery was sposed to give feedback
[18:13] <HawkiesZA> charl, wow...I'll pass that along
[18:14] <HawkiesZA> magespawn, someone will have to manage it...It's going to get full after a while
[18:14] <HawkiesZA> Photos are beeeeg
[18:14] <magespawn> i don't get that at all
[18:15] <magespawn> yes not cell photos so much
[18:15] <HawkiesZA> Even those
[18:15] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, and myself need to plan Ubuntu Hour, this coming weekend right nuvolari ?
[18:16] <Kilos> shotwell and gimp can scale photos down lots
[18:16] <HawkiesZA> 8MP is a lot of data. Though lossy formats do "help" ;)
[18:16] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: next, the 2nd
[18:16] <afrodeity> We have a slot for Ubuntu
[18:16] <kbmonkey> okay calendarizing it...
[18:16] <afrodeity> at the Hackfest
[18:16] <afrodeity> but waiting for the topic to come up
[18:16] <kbmonkey> and I see on the 25th is the DLUG hangout #4
[18:17] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: are there any sea-side spots in Umhlanga?
[18:17] <nuvolari> or beach spots. I don't know what to call them :P
[18:17] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, would anyone object to non Durbanites joining the hangout? ;)
[18:17] <Vince-0> not at all
[18:17] <SmilyBorg> the more the merrier
[18:18] <Vince-0> need to get the notes more discussed
[18:18] <Vince-0> next one is scheduled for next thurs 30th
[18:18] <kbmonkey> oh my, okay so I thought we were in April. oops.
[18:18] <Cantide> eh, i am busy on the 25th :(
[18:19] <Vince-0> its the 30th
[18:19] <kbmonkey> Cantide, I was wrong.
[18:19] <Vince-0> here are the notes so far: https://docs.google.com/document/d/14KosJkfO72SBcYtgFskQMKiSYnTX1_ihMynsnH4nueo/edit
[18:19] <kbmonkey> the event page: https://plus.google.com/events/ceolsp2sniuo4re0umvjq2civi8
[18:19] <Vince-0> I will make a post to the dbnlug list - not specifically ubuntu
[18:19] <Cantide> ah, thanks :)
[18:19] <Cantide> then i should be able to make that!
[18:20] <kbmonkey> would the UDS fall under events?
[18:20] <Vince-0> ya lets do it! These get pushed to youtube channel, audio is stripped for download from the dbnlinux.org.za site
[18:21] <Vince-0> next!
[18:21] <Vince-0> OBS HackFest 25 May Saturday ‒ David Robert Lewis
[18:21] <Vince-0> UDS after
[18:21] <afrodeity> https://www.facebook.com/events/474257305987287/
[18:21] <afrodeity> we have an events page up on FB
[18:21] <magespawn> awesome idea
[18:21] <Vince-0> Open Street Initiative
[18:21] <afrodeity> total synergy
[18:21] <amanica> Maaz_: I am Marius Kruger
[18:21] <Maaz_> amanica: Sure
[18:22] <afrodeity> with Lower Main Rd Obs closing in the afternoon of 25 
[18:22] <afrodeity> this Sat
[18:22] <kbmonkey> that looks like so much of fun!
[18:22] <afrodeity> and also the 100 in 1 day event which is another global event
[18:22] <afrodeity> totally
[18:22] <Cantide> I'm not on FB, so i can't have a look ._.
[18:22] <kbmonkey> wish I could fly down for the day :D
[18:22] <Vince-0> Cantide: neither am I - but the event is public
[18:22] <afrodeity> https://www.piratepad.ca/p/obshack
[18:22] <Cantide> oh, thanks :)
[18:22]  * Cantide clicks
[18:22] <SmilyBorg> me too. looks fun
[18:22] <afrodeity> That's the programme
[18:23] <afrodeity> hoping you will all contribute in some way
[18:23] <amanica> not_found, Kilos the Gauteng release party was a bit disapointing so I didn't talk too much about it :( http://amanica.blogspot.com/2013/05/ubuntu-1304-raring-ringtail-release.html 
[18:23] <Vince-0> flip, Cape Town is where it's at
[18:23] <afrodeity> we requesting volunteers to do some ubuntu
[18:23] <afrodeity> for the peeps
[18:23] <Kilos> ty amanica kbmonkey ^^
[18:23] <afrodeity> hand out disks if you can
[18:23] <afrodeity> but if you have projects 
[18:24] <afrodeity> hardware you want to show off
[18:24] <afrodeity> bots you want to enter into the bot competitioin
[18:24] <afrodeity> or if you want to hang out and hack code
[18:24] <afrodeity> check out the piratepad
[18:24] <afrodeity> register
[18:24] <afrodeity> so we know whats up
[18:24] <afrodeity> there going to be opportunity tomorrow evening
[18:25] <afrodeity> to meet up at Chaos Pilots above Truth Coffee in Buitenkant
[18:25] <Symmetria> http://www.flickr.com/photos/95680965@N04/8757878123/in/set-72157633494536721
[18:25] <Symmetria> heh
[18:25] <afrodeity> otherwise there is another Open Streets meeting on Thurs
[18:25] <Vince-0> flip, I need to move to CPT
[18:25] <afrodeity> So there you have it
[18:25] <Symmetria> those are moving stars
[18:25] <afrodeity> First Hack Fest in OBS
[18:26]  * Cantide puts on some armbands and swims to Cape Town
[18:26] <kbmonkey> thanks for all of that afrodeity, that is super! 
[18:26] <afrodeity> Also we have the metal confirmed
[18:26] <afrodeity> if you want a hint of hack
[18:26] <Cantide> Symmetria, really cool :) and that's just 30 minutes? 'o'
[18:26] <afrodeity> Club Gandalf's have agreed to let us their "facilities"
[18:26] <afrodeity> includes a Bat or two
[18:27] <Symmetria> cantide heh yeah
[18:27] <afrodeity> and there is a bar, but not sure exactly what is going on in that dept
[18:27] <Symmetria> actually 25 minutes
[18:27] <afrodeity> still nailing down some sponsors
[18:27] <Cantide> very cool :) if only i had a better camera :)
[18:27] <afrodeity> about to request CLUG to aid and abet 
[18:27] <afrodeity> fun fun fun
[18:27] <afrodeity> OBS Hackfest is what you make of it
[18:28] <afrodeity> community event 
[18:28] <kbmonkey> we need to put all of these in a calendar
[18:28] <afrodeity> organised with very little time
[18:28] <afrodeity> yeah, its a bit of dry run for the Design Capital thang next year
[18:28] <afrodeity> got totally knocked off my feet by Chaos Pilots, Open St and 100 in 1
[18:28] <HawkiesZA> What's happening above Truth in Buitenkant?
[18:29] <afrodeity> Chaos Pilots from Copenhagen have set up 
[18:29] <HawkiesZA> That's a block down the road from moi
[18:29] <afrodeity> totally awesome
[18:29] <afrodeity> its like walking into a rabbit hole
[18:29] <HawkiesZA> Sounds painful
[18:29] <Vince-0> UDS?
[18:29] <Cantide> not if you're on the right drugs..
[18:30] <afrodeity> Not if you 3 feet tall and grooving with an 8 foot blond from Sweden
[18:30] <kbmonkey> maaz_ topic Ubuntu UDS 14-16 May
[18:30] <Maaz_> Current Topic: Ubuntu UDS 14-16 May
[18:30] <Cantide> or that :)
[18:30] <HawkiesZA> Well if you're chilling with an 8-foot tjokker, then you definitely feel 3 feet tall
[18:30] <afrodeity> :-D
[18:31]  * afrodeity lmao
[18:31] <Vince-0> so heres last weeks UDS schedule: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/
[18:31] <Vince-0> anyone follow any of the tracks
[18:31]  * Cantide skims
[18:31] <kbmonkey> I did not even know about this until today. eish.
[18:32] <Vince-0> virtual Ubuntu dev summit
[18:32] <Vince-0> they host discussions in IRC and on Hangouts
[18:32] <Vince-0> have a look at the community track
[18:33] <Vince-0> some talk about revamping the ubuntu.com/community site
[18:33] <Vince-0> apparently there was a bit of miscommunication with them removing the direct link on the front page to the community site
[18:33] <Vince-0> the community site link will be put back now that the redesign is underway
[18:33] <kbmonkey> oh I see they post thehangout videos. neat
[18:34] <Vince-0> this is the second vUDS now - it's getting really good
[18:34] <Cantide> this is nice :)
[18:35] <Vince-0> the uds site packages it really well
[18:35] <Vince-0> only thing is I can't get to the discussion notes
[18:35] <afrodeity> whats up with changing the ubuntu package management?
[18:35] <Vince-0> might be something to learn from if we are to host our own hangouts+IRC
[18:36] <Vince-0> afrodeity: where do you see that
[18:36] <afrodeity> read it somewhere
[18:36] <Cantide> i also read about it
[18:36] <Cantide> can't remember where..
[18:37] <afrodeity> upgrading or downgrading to a "simpler" system
[18:37] <amanica> I just miss the interesting daily plenaries :(
[18:37] <afrodeity> apparently
[18:37] <kbmonkey> I think that was for the development of mobile apps 
[18:37] <afrodeity> could be
[18:37] <kbmonkey> alright! anyone has any more events to pitch?
[18:38] <afrodeity> The HackFest afterparty
[18:38] <afrodeity> but check out piratpad link I posted https://www.piratepad.ca/p/obshack
[18:38] <kbmonkey> I have that ppad link open now :)
[18:39] <kbmonkey> Vince-0, I believe that's all the topics. we can move to closing soon?
[18:39] <Vince-0> next!
[18:40] <kbmonkey> yes, sir!
[18:40] <kbmonkey> maaz_ topic closing
[18:40] <Maaz_> Current Topic: closing
[18:41] <kbmonkey> oh dear, lag. I don't think I can watch any UDS videos online
[18:42] <kbmonkey> last words?
[18:42] <Kilos> thanks everyone
[18:42] <Symmetria> http://www.flickr.com/photos/95680965@N04/8757932899/in/set-72157633494536721
[18:42] <Symmetria> better version :)
[18:42] <magespawn> indeed nice numbers
[18:43] <nuvolari> eek, sorry for being so quiet tonight :-/
[18:43] <nuvolari> stuff to do
[18:43] <kbmonkey> thanks Vince-0 for helping us :)
[18:43] <Vince-0> no problemo!
[18:43] <Kilos> ty Vince-0 
[18:43] <nuvolari> yeah, thank you Vince-0 :>
[18:43] <Cantide> yeah, thanks Vince-0 :)
[18:43] <Cantide> Symmetria, nice :)
[18:43] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey 
[18:44] <Symmetria> cantide heh its just wierd to thing how much the earth moves in only 20 minutes
[18:45] <Cantide> so this Umhlanga / Ballito thing... on the 1st then?
[18:45] <Cantide> Symmetria, yeah, that's why i asked about the time again :)
[18:45] <Vince-0> let me knows
[18:45] <nuvolari> Cantide: 2nd
[18:45] <nuvolari>  the sunday
[18:45] <kbmonkey> I think on the 2nd Cantide, we will fling some emails on the mail list of this
[18:46] <kbmonkey> nuvolari, I will try find out of potential places in umhlanga. pref with wifi?
[18:46] <nuvolari> kbmonkey: yeah, if possible it's a great plus
[18:46] <Vince-0> ya I'm here - I'll look around
[18:46] <Vince-0> can we do it in my office?
[18:47] <nuvolari> Vince-0: I don't see a problem with that
[18:47] <Vince-0> ok, let me know and I will arrange
[18:47] <nuvolari> would be nice to be in public though (for exposure)
[18:47] <kbmonkey> great :)
[18:47] <Cantide> nuvolari, that's better for me :)
[18:47] <Cantide> okay, thanks :)
[18:48] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[18:48] <Kilos> see yas morrow
[18:48] <Cantide> well, i have no devices that would benefit from wifi much
[18:48] <Cantide> night night Kilos :)
[18:48] <mazal> Bye all , sleep well
[18:48] <Vince-0> cya Kilos
[18:48] <superfly> Cantide: I'm in the middle of a wedding on the 1st
[18:48] <kbmonkey> well that is all folks. 
[18:48] <kbmonkey> I'm closing the meeting then
[18:48] <Cantide> thanks, kbmonkey :)
[18:48] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, end meething
[18:48] <Maaz_> kbmonkey: Excuse me?
[18:48] <superfly> I think HawkiesZA has already fallen asleep
[18:48] <kbmonkey> darn :p
[18:48] <Cantide> lol
[18:49] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, end meeting
[18:49] <Maaz_> Meeting Ended
[18:49] <Maaz_> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-17-38-47.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-17-38-47.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-17-38-47.html
[18:49] <kbmonkey> been practicing the dvorak keyboard, I get confused still 
[18:49] <Cantide> superfly, Saturdays aren't ideal for me anyway
[18:51] <kbmonkey> that was a great meet! I think we all got a bit slowed down near the end though
[18:51] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, coffee on
[18:51]  * Maaz_ washes some mugs
[18:51] <magespawn> Maaz large please
[18:51] <Maaz_> magespawn: What?
[18:51] <Cantide> good idea, i'm going to make some coffee :)
[18:51] <magespawn> Maaz coffe ppease
[18:51] <Maaz_> magespawn: *blink*
[18:51] <kbmonkey> oh, um. hmm. Vince-0 we forgot to elect the next chair. I will take it unless someone objects or you like to go again?
[18:51] <amanica> kbmonkey, I remember when I started with colemak, I relapsed from time to time and sent a bunch of giberish googlechat messages :)
[18:51] <magespawn> Maaz coffee please
[18:51] <Maaz_> magespawn: Alrighty
[18:51] <Vince-0> sure! I'm up
[18:52] <magespawn> kbmonkey do you use the physical keyboard
[18:52] <kbmonkey> I like the idea of alternating. it grows more people into it
[18:52] <magespawn> ?
[18:53] <kbmonkey> no magespawn, it is a normal qwerty keyboard. so I don't look at the keys
[18:54] <superfly> magespawn: did I give you meeting access?
[18:54] <magespawn> ahh right, would like to get the actual keyboard, apparently after the learning curve you can type faster
[18:54] <magespawn> superfly: can't remember, i did chair once
[18:54] <superfly> trying to remember how to do it
[18:55] <Maaz_> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey and magespawn!
[18:55] <superfly> didn't you have to make yourself an account with Maaz_?
[18:55] <kbmonkey> for words you type faster. the issue is many apps use shortcuts placed for qwerty. not to mention habits we have from years of use.
[18:55] <superfly> Vince-0: you still around?
[18:55] <Vince-0> yep
[18:55] <superfly> Vince-0: PM Maaz_ and say, "create account"
[18:55] <magespawn> i think so superfly 
[18:55] <Vince-0> Maaz_: create account
[18:55] <Maaz_> Vince-0: Alrighty
[18:55] <kbmonkey> cheeky bot!
[18:56] <amanica> magespawn, I think it is better to not have an actual keyboard 1) you are forced to touch type and 2) you can still type on a normal keyboard afterwards 3) in virtualbox it is back to qwerty (at least at first)
[18:56] <superfly> Vince-0: try now, "start meeting"
[18:56] <Vince-0> Maaz_: start meeting
[18:56]  * Maaz_ gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:56] <amanica> but I recommend Colemak over dvorak
[18:57] <Vince-0> Maaz_: close meeting
[18:57] <Maaz_> Vince-0: Huh?
[18:57] <Vince-0> Maaz_: end meeting
[18:57] <Maaz_> Meeting Ended
[18:57] <Maaz_> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-18-56-44.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-18-56-44.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2013-05-20-18-56-44.html
[18:57] <Vince-0> ooh minutes!
[18:57] <magespawn> amanica: only just recently getting good at a qwerty keyboard anyway
[18:57] <kbmonkey> lol amanica, I can imagine typing gibberish into chat windows. people might think a cat is sleeping on your keyboard
[18:58] <amanica> yeah, it was funny. hitting some keys and enter before reading
[18:58] <kbmonkey> good job Maaz_ :)
[18:58] <kbmonkey> Maaz_, have a cookie
[18:58] <Maaz_> kbmonkey: What?
[18:58] <magespawn> don't need to change the keyboard for that
[18:58] <magespawn> do it any3ay
[18:58] <kbmonkey> you can just remap your keyboard. but I want a Happy Hacker keyboard: blank keys!
[18:58] <amanica> magespawn: I only got better at touchtyping when switching to colemak because I was forced, and forced to practice
[18:59] <Vince-0> ha! thanks superfly
[18:59] <Vince-0> I'll brb
[18:59] <amanica> magespawn: lol
[19:12] <magespawn> good night all
[19:14] <Cantide> night night
[19:30] <Cantide> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36318710/ubuntu_matrix.png
[19:31] <Cantide> my background '-'v
[19:31] <Cantide> (1.4 mb)
[19:31] <kbmonkey> I saw a very interesting post on gnu.org today about ubuntu privacy
[19:32] <Cantide> do you have a link?
[19:32] <kbmonkey> I'm looking for it now
[19:32] <Cantide> i just clicked on gnu.org now, so i might find it :)
[19:32] <Cantide> oh..
[19:33] <Cantide> this site is all over the place :D
[19:33] <kbmonkey> sorry, I meant fsf.org - http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do
[19:33] <kbmonkey> I need to get out of this shell, ssh lags too much
[19:33] <kbmonkey> tried to setup mosh but that failed.
[19:35] <kbmonkey> sorry, I meant fsf.org - http://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-dodoes ubuntu still have that maazon lens thing by default?
[19:35] <kbmonkey> amazon* - darn lag :p
[19:35] <kbmonkey> nice wallpaper Cantide :)
[19:36] <Cantide> thanks :)
[19:36] <Cantide> I made it in GIMP
[19:36] <kbmonkey> did you craft that one?
[19:36] <kbmonkey> need a higher res ubuntu logo
[19:36] <Cantide> ah yeah :/
[19:36] <Cantide> i just found one in a google search and upscaled it
[19:36] <Cantide> i made a gnome foot one as well :p
[19:36] <kbmonkey> looks good! or you can apply a pixelize on the logo to make it more matrixy 
[19:37] <Cantide> the text in the background is this -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunminjeongeum
[19:37] <kbmonkey> like those kenji glyphs!
[19:37] <kbmonkey> ah
[19:37] <Cantide> they're Hangeul :)
[19:37] <Cantide> but yeah, i got them at a really high res
[19:37] <Cantide> so they're nice and smooth
[19:41] <Cantide> interesting post
[19:41] <Cantide> what's your take on the Amazon / internet searches from the dash?
[19:41] <kbmonkey> I'm using i3wm, check it out: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/18686471/images/2013-05-20.21401369078831.png
[19:42] <kbmonkey> you can see my two xpenguins cruising on the desktop there. he he
[19:43] <Cantide> nice and minimalist :)
[19:43] <Cantide> yeah, i saw one down there :p
[19:43] <Cantide> i'm looking forward to unity next
[19:43] <kbmonkey> well I don't buy anything from amazon and would get annoyed at it's suggestions
[19:43] <Cantide> but yeah, Canonical is trying to appeal to the masses, so these extra searches and whatnot are certainly not for me
[19:43] <kbmonkey> the other one is skateboarding upside the window, matrix style!
[19:43] <Cantide> at least it can be turned off easily
[19:44] <Cantide> i still think it should be "opt-in" rather than "opt-out"
[19:44] <Cantide> but it doesn't concern me much because i will just turn it off
[19:44] <kbmonkey> that article would probably not have been written if it was opt-in
[19:46] <Cantide> yeah
[19:46] <Cantide> and i think there would be no love lost either
[19:46] <Cantide> some people changed distros
[19:46] <kbmonkey> it would be nicer if they had a plugin system for it, so people could say add the amazon plugin 
[19:47] <Cantide> aah
[19:47] <Cantide> yeah, that would be best
[19:47] <Cantide> install the package if you want it
[19:47] <Cantide> still, for the newbies that would be the ones who use the search, it's too much to ask
[19:47] <Cantide> so rather make it easy for them
[19:47] <Cantide> and let the rest of us turn it off
[19:48] <superfly> Kubuntu FTW
[19:48] <kbmonkey> did you know dropbox has a commandline client?
[19:48] <Cantide> i didn't 'o'
[19:48] <kbmonkey> its full of win
[19:49] <Tonberry_> oh?
[19:49] <Cantide> is that what you were doing in your terminal there?
[19:49] <Cantide> oh, no
[19:50] <kbmonkey> that is a screen grabber script I wrote that automatically shares to dropbox for me
[19:51] <kbmonkey> it just uses scrot to screen shot to dropbox, and uses dropboxcli to copy the url to your clipboard
[19:54] <Cantide> nifty!
[19:58] <Cantide> ah well, time to code a bit then sleep
[19:59] <Cantide> kbmonkey, if you want the xcf file you're welcome to it :p
[19:59] <Cantide> not sure my wallpaper appeals much to those who don't like 한글
[19:59] <kbmonkey> I like the symbols! I just don't know what they mean
[19:59] <Cantide> me neither :)
[20:00] <Cantide> well, i know 한글, i just don't know enough words
[20:00] <Cantide> and you can see in the wallpaper there are hanja in there, too - because it's realllly old
[20:00] <Cantide> even Koreans can't read it these days
[20:00] <Cantide> it's the origin of their writing system
[20:25] <kbmonkey> time for some tea!
[20:40] <Cantide> time for some sleep!
[20:53] <inetpro> good mornings
[20:53] <inetpro> Maaz_: tell kilos don't worry I'm doing fine, just... busy. Very interesting times... will be back soon....
[20:53] <Maaz_> inetpro: Okay, I'll tell Kilos on freenode