[01:19] <nixnine> hey guys, trying to install adobeair but i get this message to install gnome keyring but it is installed.  any ideas
[11:33] <Heyoka> Hi
[14:23] <camila_> hello, i need help to install my webcam. I already try in cheese but its not working
[17:12] <zequence> !paste
[22:22] <phserr> hi - I just installed ubuntustudio
[22:22] <phserr> and I'm having trouble stopping jack so I can see flash videos
[22:24] <zequence> phserr: killall -9 jackdbus
[22:24] <zequence> phserr: starting jack with qjackctl connects pulseaudio to jack by default
[22:25] <phserr> zequence: I thought of that, but shouldn't there be a friendlier way?
[22:25] <zequence> But, in order to make use of that, you need to make sure things are connected to jack also from the pulseaudio muxer
[22:25] <phserr> zequence: it does? because it freezes when I try to play youtube videos
[22:26] <zequence> phserr: It freezes while you are playing youtube videos, or after you start jack, open a web browser, and then try to play a youtube video?
[22:26] <zequence> There's a bug in pulseaudio, making it hard for jack to grab the card from pulse
[22:26] <zequence> There's a fix on its way
[22:26] <zequence> After that, things should work seemlessly.
[22:27] <phserr> zequence: freezes if jack is running and I try to play youtube
[22:27] <zequence> phserr: Was the youtube page open when you started jack?
[22:27] <phserr> and stoping jack with qjackctl does not help
[22:27] <phserr> no, it was not
[22:28] <zequence> Let me look at the details a bit..
[22:28] <zequence> I need to fire up two separate versions
[22:28] <zequence> phserr: btw, which version of Ubuntu Studio is this?
[22:28] <phserr> zequence: 13.04
[22:29] <zequence> Ah, ok. Then at least the PA jack thing is fixed
[22:29] <zequence> Just need to install some packages then
[22:30] <phserr> it's like jack is always active
[22:30] <phserr> even after i stop it with qjackctl
[22:30] <zequence> phserr: jackdbus is active all the time, yes
[22:30] <phserr> because if i exit it and open it again it shows "active"
[22:30] <phserr> ah, ok
[22:31] <zequence> You can however set qjackctl to not use jackdbus if you want
[22:31] <zequence> But then some things won't be supported, like the PA -> jack bridge
[22:31] <phserr> no, jack always on is actually good
[22:31] <zequence> Or, at least not automatically
[22:31] <phserr> I just don't have that much experience with audio tuned distros
[22:32] <phserr> so what it's the easier way for me, with this setup, to watch youtube/vimeo?
[22:35] <zequence> phserr: I can't reproduce your problem
[22:35] <zequence> For me, pulse never chokes
[22:35] <zequence> phserr: If you like running jack all the time, just do it
[22:35] <zequence> phserr: Check out qjackctl -> Connect
[22:35] <zequence> The only problem you may have though, is if you do really low latencies
[22:36] <zequence> You might get xruns with the PA connection
[22:36] <zequence> In qjackctl -> Connect, you should see "system" and "PulseAudio Jack <X>"
[22:36] <phserr> zequence: flash videos should just work?
[22:36] <zequence> Yes
[22:37] <phserr> theres no "PulseAudio Jack <X>"
[22:37] <zequence> Is jack running?
[22:37] <phserr> yes
[22:37] <phserr> just "system"
[22:37] <zequence> phserr: Do you have pulseaudio-module-jack installed?
[22:37] <zequence> It's installed by default
[22:37] <zequence> on Ubuntu Studio
[22:38] <phserr> yes, I do
[22:38] <zequence> phserr: Give me the output of: ps -eo comm | grep jack
[22:38] <phserr> jackd
[22:38] <phserr> jackdbus
[22:38] <phserr> qjackctl
[22:38] <phserr> qjackctl.real
[22:38] <zequence> There's one too many jacks there
[22:39] <zequence> That's probably your problem
[22:39] <zequence> Each time you start jack, make sure you do it with qjackctl
[22:39] <zequence> Meaning, don't open any other jack apps before starting jack with qjackctl
[22:39] <phserr> ok
[22:39] <zequence> Shut all jack apps down, including qjackctl, then kill the jacks
[22:39] <phserr> lesson learned
[22:39] <zequence> It's not really your fault
[22:40] <zequence> It's just the way the whole thing is arranged right now
[22:40] <zequence> To kill: killall -9 jack
[22:40] <zequence> killall -9 jackdbus
[22:41] <zequence> Make sure no jack is alive, again with: ps -eo comm | grep jack
[22:41] <phserr> just jackdbus now
[22:41] <zequence> Kill that too
[22:41] <zequence> You might even want to reset pulseaudio
[22:41] <zequence> you can do: pulseaudio -k
[22:41] <zequence> It should auto reload
[22:42] <zequence> So, when no jack is running, and you've reset pulseaudio, open qjackctl again, and start jack with it
[22:42] <zequence> ps -eo comm | grep jack
[22:43] <zequence> Should show jackdbus and qjackctl only
[22:43] <zequence> no jackd
[22:43] <phserr> hm
[22:43] <phserr> ok
[22:43] <phserr> it's that way now
[22:44] <phserr> try youtube
[22:45] <phserr> there's a "pulseaudio jack sink" in connect now
[22:45] <zequence> phserr: ok, so if you don't hear audio, check the pulseaudio mixer "pavucontrol"
[22:45] <zequence> It's what loads when you click "Sound Settings" under the volume applet
[22:46] <zequence> Or in the menu for it
[22:46] <zequence> Make sure the application is using jack sink as output
[22:46] <zequence> You also might want to make jack sink the default output in output devices, by setting it as the "Set as Fallback"
[22:46] <zequence> ..device
[22:47] <zequence> Now, any pulseaudio application you start will output to jack
[22:47] <zequence> pulseaudio in effect is a jack application
[22:47] <phserr> ok
[22:47] <phserr> did that
[22:47] <zequence> I mean, when you have this setup, PA is like a jack application
[22:48] <phserr> working perfectly now
[22:48] <phserr> thank you
[22:48] <zequence> np
[22:49] <zequence> phserr: I think patchage will start jackd if jackdbus isn't already running
[22:49] <zequence> So, that might be what caused it
[22:49] <phserr> probably
[22:49] <zequence> Or, some other jack application - I don't know
[22:49] <phserr> i clicked around to see the software already installed
[22:50] <zequence> We, the devs, have added that as a workitem for coming releases, to make sure jack is packaged in a sane way
[22:50] <zequence> so, perhaps by 13.10 or 14.04, all jack apps will just work, and in connection with PA
[22:50] <phserr> that's cool
[22:50] <phserr> btw, i'm a musician/developer and though i'm unexperienced in linux audio, i'd love to help this distro - seems like a nice project
[22:51] <zequence> phserr: You're more than welcome
[22:51] <zequence> We need more people
[22:51] <zequence> phserr: http://ubuntustudio.org/contribute/
[22:51] <zequence> Or, basically, just login to #ubuntustudio-devel
[22:52] <phserr> ok
[22:52] <phserr> there's a mailing list too
[22:52] <phserr> i'll subscribe to that
[22:53] <phserr> and will see where I can lend a hand
[22:54] <zequence> phserr: This is our roadmap for next release https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-saucy-flavor-ubuntustudio
[22:55] <zequence> We work mostly independently, on things that we either like to do, or think we are good at doing
[22:56] <zequence> phserr: For pretty much all tasks, you need a dev release installed, and a launchpad account. Most of the admin stuff is done through launchpad
[22:56] <zequence> phserr: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
[22:56] <zequence> If you can get that far, then there'll be plenty you could do
[22:56] <phserr> a lot to read
[22:56] <phserr> i will read that
[22:56] <phserr> once I feel confident
[22:56] <phserr> I will start contributing
[22:57] <zequence> phserr: If you don't like reading, setup a dev environment, and just go from there. There's not much to it really
[22:57] <zequence> Anyway, you're always welcome
[22:58] <phserr> yes, I will do that this weekend
[22:58] <phserr> and I will get in touch
[22:58] <phserr> thanks for your help again
[22:59] <phserr> really looking forward to making music in ubuntustudio ;)
[22:59] <zequence> :)