[02:49] <phillw> len-1310: do not be fooled by release numbers, olde wordle grub never got to release v1, and new grub is at 2.00.3 just to show it is grub v2 :)
[02:50] <phillw> 0.97 is the old grub, which is still used by red hat systems :)
[02:56] <len-1310> In LSCs case it seems to be the same one in 13.10 as 13.04
[02:56] <len-1310> phillw, hen can I expect xfce4.12 to drop out of the sky?
[02:57] <len-1310> s/hen/when
[02:59] <Unit193> len-1310: Hopefully around alpha1.
[03:00] <Len-nb> Will it replace 4.10 in the repos or would studio have to spec 4.12?
[03:00] <Unit193> That's the idea, why would studio want to keep .10?
[03:00] <Len-nb> Not
[03:01] <Unit193> .12 has better dual monitor management.
[03:01] <Len-nb> +1
[03:01] <Len-nb> has the setting management changed?
[03:01] <Len-nb> (settings manager)
[03:01] <Unit193> I haven't actually seen it myself.  What part exactly?
[03:02] <Len-nb> I am just wondering how much time I should spend editing it's menu file
[03:02] <Len-nb> I guess I will find out :)
[03:05] <Len-nb> Anything I can see on the xfce website is about 4.10
[03:07] <Unit193> Sure, it's held up for some sad reason.  You can add the testing PPA, though.
[03:08] <Unit193> The hope is that 4.12 will drop at the latest, Alpha 2.
[03:10] <Len-nb> The only roadmap I can find for 4.12 is release dates (out of date) but there is no page that says these are the new features we are working on.
[03:11] <Len-nb> I have actually gotten more from this irc channel than the xfce website or the #xfce irc
[03:14] <Unit193> #xfce-dev may be more help, and talked about it in the last meeting or one of the hangouts.
[03:15] <Unit193> http://lionel.lefolgoc.net/blog/article89/status-of-xfce-in-debian-ubuntu is a little older.
[03:27] <Len-nb> I think I tried the -dev too. No matter, the best thing will be hands on. I hear there is a new menu editor as well. I don't like alacarte
[03:28] <Len-nb> Following this channel (just reading without saying much) gets me the most info.
[03:32] <Unit193> New menueditor is a shimmer project (ish) called menulibre, yep.
[03:32] <Len-nb> What I have seen of it looks better than what we have.
[03:34] <Unit193> I'm still missing seperator editing and structure/sorting of the menu, but in some other ways it is better.
[03:34] <Len-nb> Users figure if there is a menu editor it should make any change they can conceive
[03:35] <Len-nb> alacarte put _any_ user created desktop file in other
[04:15] <Unit193> The Xubuntu docs don't validate: http://paste.openstack.org/show/EP2ybLXsT9HzQ4s4uhBu
[04:16] <skellat> Hmm
[04:20] <skellat> Lemme rebase my working branch
[04:27] <skellat> Unit193: They appear to be cross-document references
[04:28] <skellat> They rendered okay on docs.xubuntu.org
[04:28] <Unit193> Yeah, things seem to work fine, just validator doesn't pass on them.
[04:31] <skellat> Is there a form of being "fully qualified" that we need to render them in?
[04:34] <skellat> knome: A merge for you to consider: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/+merge/164670
[04:55] <Unit193> Well the tool still exists and is quite usable, even if it isn't shipped by default.  Before, there was talk (and still is) about aptoncd and keraxy (spelled very wrong.)
[04:55] <Unit193> (Another workaround for flash would be to pull adobe-flashplugin from partner.)
[22:14] <skellat> wget -c http://people.ubuntu.com/~david.wonderly/Kubuntu/MumbleMeeting/KubuntuMumble-2013-05-20-.ogg