[12:29] <gary_poster> hey benji.  I just landed a branch that fixes an annoying behavior in the service page.  It might be worth getting into a release soon, but if you are too far along to want to do that I completely understand.  Maybe I'd make a 0.x.1 later
[12:30] <benji> gary_poster: I don't mind.  It will mean redoing some pre-release QA, but that's fine with me if it saves time in the long-run.
[12:30] <gary_poster> cool thanks
[12:31] <benji> I will need coffee though, so there's that. ;)
[12:31] <gary_poster> :-)
[13:10] <gary_poster> hey luca & alejandraobregon .  we can have a half hour meeting today ay 1400 UTC, according to our schedules.  do you want me to make one to discuss the outline plan, or have it another day?
[13:13] <gary_poster> hey teknico.  do you have a few minutes for a call?
[13:14] <teknico> gary_poster: sure
[13:14] <gary_poster> thanks teknico.  guichat?
[13:15] <teknico> yep
[13:15] <gary_poster> cool, see you there
[13:43] <luca> gary_poster: Heya, we are available now or in 20 mins like you said :)
[13:44] <benji> what's with all the services jiggling when the page initially loads?
[13:44] <Makyo> benji, svg transitions.  They were off for a while.
[13:44] <benji> I can see why.
[13:44] <gary_poster> lol
[13:45] <gary_poster> luca, cool :-) now is good.  guichat?
[13:45] <teknico> Makyo: how about linking your card in review with Rietveld, or LP, or something? :-)
[13:46] <Makyo> teknico, oops, sorry.
[13:46] <teknico> Makyo: thanks :-)
[13:46] <Makyo> teknico, linked.
[13:46]  * gary_poster fixes uistage conflicts
[13:47] <gary_poster> (that he is responsible for)
[13:47] <hatch> morning
[13:47] <teknico> Makyo: and tagged
[13:47] <gary_poster> morning
[13:48] <gary_poster> fixed
[13:52] <benji> we still seem to be having some caching issues, Firefox just used the prod config after I switched to the devel config and only clearing the cache would get it to stop
[14:12] <hatch> wow unity3d mobile is now free
[14:12] <hatch> tha'ts huge!
[14:15] <benji> "The package system is broken"... that's what you want to hear from your OS
[14:19] <hatch> at least it's a real error
[14:19] <hatch> would be nice if it gave you a way to resolve it though :)
[14:28] <Makyo> There's not  enough coffee in the wooooorld.
[14:33] <hatch> I feel like that statement is incomplete
[14:34] <hatch> ...to swim from Miami to Toronto
[14:34] <hatch> ...to act as a carbon sink once the oceans are full
[14:40] <Makyo> ...for Matt to function properly.
[14:45] <gary_poster> lol
[14:45] <hatch> hah
[14:45] <hatch> options requests to jujucharms.com are failing
[14:47] <hatch> ok it's back
[14:49] <BradCrittenden> guihelp: i'm trying to start our charm on ec2 using the sandbox.  when i start it and then juju set sandbox=true i get a config changed error, which i have not yet investigated.  is that not the correct approach?
[14:50] <Makyo> bac, That sounds correct.  Have a paste of the error?
[14:50] <gary_poster> sounds like the correct approach.
[14:50] <frankban> bac: it is also what CI does
[14:50] <bac> Makyo: i'll get one.  didn't want to dig until confirmed i wasn't doing something stupid.
[14:58] <bac> gary_poster: did you see my expense report?
[15:02] <gary_poster> bac no
[15:03] <gary_poster> bac, "Taxi x 2": what does "x 2" mean in this context?
[15:04] <bac> hmm
[15:04] <hatch> oo I found a new memory leak
[15:04] <hatch> it's pretty trivial
[15:05] <gary_poster> patch it up! :-) how did you find it?
[15:05] <hatch> rewriting the charm panel stuff
[15:05] <bac> gary_poster: it means i had two taxi rides that day and the amount is the total.  one taxi to departing airport and one from
[15:05] <hatch> none of the events are detached
[15:05] <bac> gary_poster: you'll find four receipts attached
[15:05] <benji> gary_poster: I have some post-research, pre-imp discussion topics if you have a moment
[15:06] <gary_poster> ah, hatch.  the existing panel is a persistent singleton, so prob not too bad in practice
[15:06] <hatch> oh that's why it's instantiated on load
[15:06] <hatch> I wasn't sure if that was intentional
[15:06] <hatch> :)
[15:06] <gary_poster> bac, got it.  approved, thanks
[15:06] <benji> oh, expenses; I need to do those
[15:08] <gary_poster> teknico , why did you only request lunch for sunday and saturday in oakland?
[15:08] <gary_poster> benji, guichat is available.  remind me about statsd also please
[15:09] <teknico> gary_poster: which other days should I have?
[15:09] <benji> gary_poster: k
[15:09] <gary_poster> teknico, I mean what about breakfast and dinner?
[15:09] <teknico> I had breakfast at the hotel both days
[15:10] <gary_poster> ok
[15:10] <teknico> on sunday there was the reception event
[15:10] <teknico> and on saturday I had dinner on the plane
[15:10] <gary_poster> ok thanks teknico.  (I think you could have had dinner Sunday too--I did :-) )
[15:10] <gary_poster> approved
[15:11] <teknico> gary_poster: oh, too late to add I guess :-)
[15:11] <teknico> thanks
[15:12] <hatch> bac: did you add the resizing textarea stuff to the charm configuration view?
[15:13] <hatch> there is a note that says it can only be done after the container is added to the DOM, but when you're attaching it, it's not in the DOM yet....was this a comment mistake?
[15:14] <luca> bac: seemed to crashed hangouts! hehe
[15:15] <luca> bac: can you send me a link to where I should add a note?
[15:20] <hatch> he left
[15:20] <hatch> lol
[15:56]  * benji suspects gary_poster forgot to ask us to update the kanban board.
[15:56] <gary_poster> :-) sorry, emailing away. thank you
[15:57] <gary_poster> jujugui please update kanban.  call in 3
[15:57] <benji> :)
[16:28] <hatch> got dc
[16:28] <hatch> reconnecting
[16:28] <hatch> hmm
[16:28] <hatch> I get into the hangout but I don't see/hear you
[16:29] <hatch> could you guys disconnect /reconnect as well?
[16:29] <hatch> maybe the room is broken
[16:31] <hatch> :/
[16:31]  * gary_poster is back
[16:31] <bcsaller> reconnected
[16:48] <frankban> gary_poster: what is the min firefox version we support? if not specified, saucelabs seems to use v11.0
[16:50] <gary_poster> frankban, the version in raring minimally; quantal ideally.  not sure what those are.  if you discover what they are, please document it :-)
[16:50] <frankban> gary_poster: ok thanks
[16:52] <teknico> uhm, it seems to be 20.0 since lucid? weird: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=firefox
[16:52] <teknico> oh, "security", they've been updated
[16:53] <gary_poster> 21 in raring
[16:57] <frankban> gary_poster: it seems 16 in quantal base: http://www.ubuntuupdates.org/package/firefox_aurora/quantal/main/base/firefox
[16:57] <gary_poster> ok thanks frankban 
[17:19] <gary_poster> trying to set up VOIP.  Ubuntu is not happy with me.  Going to try restarting
[17:33] <jcsackett> hatch: i've fixed the branch i submitted for review last week, if you've time for another look. https://codereview.appspot.com/9095044
[17:33] <hatch> bcsaller: gary_poster so the alignment code works now but it's a little off the mark so we should be able to fudge it as it appears to be consistant
[17:33] <hatch> so widget it is
[17:34] <gary_poster> cool, hatch!
[17:34] <hatch> yeah it even takes into consideration the zoom level
[17:34] <bcsaller> hatch: with pan/zoom translation, really?
[17:34] <bcsaller> ha
[17:34] <hatch> trying pan
[17:34] <hatch> forgot about that
[17:34] <gary_poster> give the YUI guys a bug freport, hatch :-)
[17:34] <gary_poster> report
[17:34] <hatch> yup pan works
[17:34] <gary_poster> cool!
[17:34] <bcsaller> yeah, thats good
[17:34] <hatch> gary_poster: they will only accept with a repro so maybe I'll just fix it and submit a PR instead
[17:34] <hatch> :)
[17:35] <gary_poster> sounds good hatch :-)
[17:35] <bcsaller> thanks for checking that 
[17:35] <hatch> no problemo
[17:36]  * gary_poster lunches
[17:36] <hatch> so they released a new xbox
[17:36] <hatch> just what I wanted - an internet connected device with a camera and microphone in my living room :/
[17:36] <hatch> how does noone see an issue with this? lol
[17:47] <hatch> Uncaught TypeError: Object [object Object] has no method 'oneå'
[17:47] <hatch> heh aww c'mon!
[17:47] <hatch> jcsackett: sure I can take a look
[18:00] <hatch> bcsaller: what's the proper way to get the pan/zoom events from the topology from app.js? `this.views.environment.instance.topo.on('rescaled', ... )` ?
[18:01] <hatch> is this the proper way*
[18:01] <hatch> :)
[18:02] <bcsaller> hatch: I *think* we promoted the topo set the view as an event target so you should be able to use the view as well. We've typically confined those events within the modules themselves
[18:04] <hatch> ahh I see that now
[18:04] <hatch> thanks
[18:21] <hatch> hehe inspector panel now sticks to the service on pan/zoom/move :)
[18:22] <hatch> weeee
[18:22]  * hatch is easily amused
[18:26] <bcsaller> excellent :)
[18:57] <jcsackett> Makyo: any chance you can give me a second review on https://codereview.appspot.com/9095044/ ?
[18:57] <Makyo> jcsackett, sure.
[18:57] <jcsackett> thanks.
[20:40] <hatch> jcsackett: still around?
[21:02] <hatch> we really need the flags to work in the initializer
[21:02] <hatch> :/
[21:02] <hatch> in the app initializer that i
[21:02] <hatch> s
[21:09] <hatch> Makyo: what would you think about moving the flag method into a function in index.html so that we could use it throughout the whole app
[21:16] <BradCrittenden> gary_poster: can you post the correct spelling of an URL using your simulateEvents feature flag?
[21:17] <gary_poster> bac, should be able to insert :flags:/simulateEvents , so a full url would be
[21:17] <hatch> an URL just sounds wrong....I know it's right....but it's so wrong :)
[21:17] <gary_poster> http://localhost:8888/:flags:/simulateEvents
[21:17] <bac> hatch: it depends on whether you pronounce like the name Earl or spell it out U-R-L
[21:18] <hatch> bac: ahh that's why - I always say U-R-L
[21:18] <hatch> it is an acronym afterall :)
[21:18] <bac> gary_poster: using that EARL i get 4-Oh-4
[21:18] <hatch> lol
[21:18]  * hatch goes back to work
[21:19] <bac> PEBCAC but i'm unsure what is wrog
[21:19] <bac> wrong
[21:19] <hatch> PEBKAC
[21:19] <hatch> keyboard and chair
[21:19] <hatch> unless you spell it ceyboard
[21:19] <bac> yeah, ok
[21:19] <hatch> :P
[21:19] <hatch> haha
[21:19] <bac> computer
[21:19] <bac> ..
[21:19] <gary_poster> bac, you need to use make devel because make prod and make debug don't support arbitrary urls.  there's a bug for this
[21:19] <bac> chair
[21:19] <hatch> ohhhh
[21:19] <hatch> I didnt' even think of that
[21:19] <hatch> lol
[21:20] <bac> gary_poster: yep, that was it
[21:21] <gary_poster> bac bug 1169638.
[21:21] <_mup_> Bug #1169638: Directly navigating to a non-root URL results in a 404 in make debug and make prod <juju-gui:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1169638>
[21:21] <gary_poster> last comment gives fix if you want to do it :-)
[21:22] <hatch> bws/sidebar is fairly fast now...only like 7s load time
[21:22] <hatch> :)
[21:32] <bac> gary_poster: tip: don't try to use a feature flag before it is constructed, e.g. in the fakebackend initializer
[21:32] <hatch> bac: see my comment to Makyo above :)
[21:33]  * bac travels back in time
[21:33] <bac> hatch: and there you have it
[21:33] <hatch> :) it should be pretty easy to do with his current code - just change it to parse from the raw url
[21:33] <bac> even given my startup missteps, using the FF is a big win
[21:34] <gary_poster> hatch, what was your comment?  not in the backlog of my laptop
[21:34] <hatch> gary_poster: we should look into this sometime (like phantom but for ff) http://slimerjs.org/features.html
[21:34] <hatch> ""what would you think about moving the flag method into a function in index.html so that we could use it throughout the whole app""
[21:35] <gary_poster> hatch, y
[21:35] <gary_poster> hatch and also y for slimerjs
[21:36] <hatch> I'm not sure how I feel about stretching out lbox check even longer but it's probably a good idea :)
[21:37] <gary_poster> :-)
[21:38] <gary_poster> we could also incorporate it in a fast fail path for tarmac landing, once we have that
[21:38] <gary_poster> that is,
[21:39] <gary_poster> before we spin up the charm (or while we are waiting?) we run the tests on slimer and phantom.  if they fail, we kill the whole thing early.
[21:39] <hatch> that's a great idea
[21:39] <hatch> should dramatically speed things up
[21:40] <hatch> using /bws/sidebar/:flags:/inspector/ now displays the charm config dialogue via the widget
[21:40] <hatch> styles are off though
[21:52] <hatch> gary_poster: if you're still around - the current code doesn't allow multiple pending/ghost services
[21:52] <hatch> should I remove that restriction?
[21:53] <hatch> I remember our discussion about that being a possibility
[22:03] <Makyo> hatch, sorry, was dogwalking.  I have no attachment to the current design of feature flags.  If it needs to move, cool.
[22:04] <hatch> great....wana do that? :D
[22:04] <hatch> lol
[22:04] <hatch> kidding
[22:04] <Makyo> hatch, be my guest :) 
[22:04] <Makyo> Should finish Upgrade Charm.
[22:05] <hatch> yeah that's fine I was just joking
[22:07] <hatch> man this week is flying by