[00:34] <Darkwing> congrats!
[00:35] <Darkwing> as soon as the @kubuntu gets transfered over I'll turn the user and pass to the new council. 
[00:41] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ok then ;)
[00:48] <ahoneybun> so valorie is new council member?
[00:48] <ahoneybun> awesome you all !
[00:50] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: did you get a blueprint together?
[01:00] <Darkwing> nope. I've been on my mobile. 
[01:03] <ahoneybun> oh ok cool
[01:03] <ahoneybun> how do you think the basic page is looking?
[01:57] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: how do you think the basic page is looking?
[02:15] <dantti> ah so funny, installed kubuntu on a uefi system, all went fine and it booted kubuntu fine, but then I found out W7 wasn't booting ran boot-repair and now W7 boots and kubuntu doesn :P are they mutually exclusive? lol
[02:18] <BluesKaj> dantti, have you run sudo upgrade-grub since you ran boot repair ?
[02:20] <dantti> well it didn't ask me so no
[02:20] <dantti> I just followed what it said
[02:21] <dantti> let me boot using the usb and do that to see if helps
[02:23] <BluesKaj> dantii, just run it in the terminal
[02:24] <dantti> BluesKaj: I can't boot kubuntu anymore :/
[02:25] <BluesKaj> oops :)
[02:28] <dantti> BluesKaj: do you know if I should run update-grub or grub2?
[02:28] <dantti> from what I could tell that repair boot tool asked me to remove the grub2
[02:28] <BluesKaj> update-grub should work
[02:28] <dantti> ok let me reboot
[02:29] <dantti> nah :/
[02:29] <dantti> it says /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/normal.mod not found
[02:30] <BluesKaj> dantti, i never had much luck with boot repair 
[02:31] <dantti> BluesKaj: what did you do? have you managed to boot both OSes?
[02:31] <dantti> actually this laptop had Mint installed
[02:31] <dantti> but I don't want my mom using Mint...
[02:31] <dantti> and for it to work, my friend even recompiled the kernel... 
[02:32] <ScottK> Is grub-efi-amd64-bin installed?
[02:32] <dantti> what's upseting is that there are like zero docs about this
[02:32] <dantti> hmm good question :)
[02:32] <dantti> let me check
[02:33] <ScottK> That package claims to provide the file in precise.
[02:33] <BluesKaj> I used the live-cd to fix grub ,or I use the terminal in kubuntu since I installed grub on the mbr of the first hdd ( I run a windows hdd and 2 kubuntus on another hdd) 
[02:33] <dantti> ok :)
[02:33] <dantti> I was thinking on trying to install it using ubuntu cd as Riddell said ubuntu cd worked better
[02:34] <BluesKaj> dantti, yes , usbs are iffy , still
[02:39] <dantti> ScottK: installed that one and still no luck :/
[02:39] <dantti> same missing file
[02:39] <ahoneybun> valorie: ?
[02:39] <ScottK> Weird.
[02:41] <ScottK> AFAIK, Riddell's the only one that's done much UEFI testing with Kubuntu.
[02:42] <ScottK> If we can get it figured out, it'd be really nice to get a fix in for the next 12.04 point release so people will have fixed media available.
[02:45] <dantti> ScottK: sure, at least this laptop doesn't have secure boot so it should be easier..,
[02:45] <ScottK> Yeah.
[02:45] <dantti> do you think it's worth trying the ubuntu image?
[02:45] <ScottK> Yes.
[02:45] <dantti> to me this is actually a grub bug
[02:46] <ScottK> It is, but our configuration may do different things to it.
[02:46]  * ahoneybun really dislikes timezones
[02:46] <dantti> since the grub that booted kubuntu (grub2 I think) was complaining about a missing file path to find the windows boot
[02:46] <dantti> no google result were useful
[02:47] <ahoneybun> dantti: I really like the tech in UEFI just wish it was easier to work with
[02:47] <ahoneybun> its so hard to dual boot on this machine
[02:48] <dantti> what I find odd is why the hell refit works so well on my macbook and why can't grub simply copy it and work well on regular laptops?
[03:40] <valorie> back
[03:40] <valorie> sorry, forgot to set myself away
[03:40] <ahoneybun> wb valorie
[03:40] <valorie> congratulations to new council
[03:40] <ahoneybun> valorie: same to you
[03:40] <valorie> thank you 
[03:40] <valorie> I'm honored
[03:41] <ahoneybun> you deserve it from what I have seen so far
[03:41] <ahoneybun> ;)
[03:41] <ahoneybun> well what I have been here to
[03:41] <valorie> you are very sweet!
[03:41] <ahoneybun> np
[03:42] <ahoneybun> so how was the meeting from your view?
[03:43] <valorie> I'm a bit awestruck by how much work everyone else is doing
[03:43] <valorie> and how much they know
[03:43] <ahoneybun> oh overall yea
[03:43] <ahoneybun> I was focusing on the Docs part
[03:43] <ahoneybun> though
[03:43] <valorie> I fear I'm a bit out of their league
[03:44] <ScottK> You'd be amazed how little I knew when I started.
[03:44] <valorie> ahoneybun: it was interesting to listen to the uds session on the ubuntu.com/community docs
[03:44] <ahoneybun> I'm sure you'll get there
[03:44] <valorie> which I finally listened to last night
[03:44] <ahoneybun> yea I saw that
[03:44] <valorie> they want to do what we've decided to do
[03:45] <valorie> begin with the absolute basics, and link to everthing else
[03:45] <ahoneybun> oh widget?
[03:45] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[03:45] <valorie> since they are following our lead, of course I think they are wise
[03:45] <valorie> :-)
[03:45] <valorie> no, this is for the website
[03:45] <ahoneybun> yea that was darkwing that did that
[03:45] <valorie> we'll have to make sure that links to us are there too
[03:45] <valorie> that was my idea all along
[03:46] <ahoneybun> well you both
[03:46] <valorie> which is why I've been getting rid of cruft
[03:46] <ahoneybun> I'm just kinda for the ride lol
[03:46] <valorie> those docs as they were were rather awful
[03:46] <valorie> no indeed, you are driving the train, sir
[03:46] <ScottK> they'd been left to bit rot for a long time.
[03:46] <valorie> you've got us going, and your energy is pulling us along
[03:47] <valorie> ScottK: the mold was all over 
[03:47] <ahoneybun> lol I heard the meeting and they were talking about me lol
[03:47] <valorie> em
[03:47] <valorie> indeed!
[03:47] <ahoneybun> I'm Andrew now lol
[03:47] <valorie> my mic wasn't working, but I did correct that
[03:47] <valorie> in the texting thing in mumble
[03:47] <ahoneybun> thanks :-)
[03:47] <ahoneybun> I would have loved! to be there
[03:47] <valorie> he got your initial right
[03:47] <valorie> :-)
[03:48] <valorie> next time.....
[03:48] <ahoneybun> yea most people will know me
[03:48] <ahoneybun> yea next time if the time is right
[03:48] <valorie> well, the time was wrong, but I felt it was important to attend anyway
[03:49] <ahoneybun> darkwing said for me to focus on the content he will get the present part done
[03:49] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[03:50] <valorie> right, the content is the important bit
[03:50] <ahoneybun> yea I got to pull most of the that from the other pages I made
[03:50] <valorie> personally, I would love it if KHelpcenter got fixed and we were in there too
[03:51] <valorie> but that can wait until apachelogger waves his magic wand over it
[03:52] <valorie> I may have time to work on docs tonight if all goes well
[03:52] <ahoneybun> I have the content layed out for most of it
[03:52] <ahoneybun> just need to add a bit more and then trim what we don't need
[03:53] <valorie> I really should finish fixing my main laptop -- put the newest kubuntu on it, and now grub rescue is all I have staring at me
[03:53] <valorie> well, I'm good at weeding
[03:53] <valorie> of course some of what we 'cut' should really be moved
[03:53] <valorie> because we can link to it
[03:54] <valorie> those tips you wrote, in particular
[03:54] <ahoneybun> I know that needs to go
[03:54] <valorie> great stuff; just not for this first run doc
[03:54] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:55] <valorie> well, it's good, just not right for *this*
[03:55] <valorie> so perhaps think about how to organize what we rip out
[03:55] <ahoneybun> yea its not something that gets your work done
[03:55] <ahoneybun> I think this is a great page https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/ManagingSoftware
[03:56] <ahoneybun> wait I removed those tips
[03:57] <valorie> well, they are still in the history
[03:57] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:58] <valorie> up in editing options: page history
[03:59] <valorie> ahoneybun: I would stop at the end of the gui section
[03:59] <valorie> and link to another page with the rest of the info
[03:59] <valorie> and the gui section can be simplified too
[03:59] <valorie> Updating should stay
[04:00] <valorie> manual install and repos. should have their own short pages, IMO
[04:00] <valorie> in the wiki or on the website
[04:00] <valorie> or both
[04:01] <valorie> might be cool to put that stuff on the site when we're done, but leave them on the wiki with a link to the static page
[04:01] <valorie> in case they need editing later
[04:02] <ahoneybun> I can;t find it in the page history 
[04:02] <valorie> sad
[04:02] <valorie> did you really not keep the text anywhere?
[04:02] <valorie> you worked hard on that
[04:02] <ahoneybun> what text the tips?
[04:03] <valorie> yes
[04:03] <ahoneybun> remove the  stuff below graphical clients?
[04:04] <ahoneybun> no I have the tips content
[04:04] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[04:05] <valorie> I would move command line to a cli page, managing repositories to it's own page
[04:05] <valorie> and leave updating at the bottom
[04:05] <valorie> that removes about half the page
[04:05] <valorie> and makes it much easier to read
[04:05] <ahoneybun> so that need a name change on the ManagingSoftware 
[04:05] <ahoneybun> page
[04:06] <valorie> I'd keep the name
[04:06] <valorie> it still accurately describes the content
[04:06] <valorie> we can link to those other pages
[04:06] <ahoneybun> and the other page ManagingRepositories?
[04:06] <valorie> with a couple of sentences
[04:07] <valorie> like: Software can also be managed on the *command line: more about that here
[04:07] <ahoneybun> "ManagingRepositories"?
[04:07] <valorie> More about managing repos. here:
[04:07] <valorie> yeah
[04:07] <ahoneybun> ok
[04:08] <valorie> make sense to you?
[04:08] <valorie> those other pages will very rarely change
[04:08] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:08] <valorie> whereas the managing software page will sometimes need new images
[04:08] <valorie> maybe
[04:09] <valorie> also you hear that we're considering another software gui
[04:09] <valorie> I've not tried it yet
[04:09] <valorie> that was briefly discussed in the meet
[04:09] <valorie> sec
[04:09] <ahoneybun> Muon Discover?
[04:10] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/ManagingRepositories
[04:11] <ahoneybun> "CommandLine" for the cli stuff?
[04:14] <ahoneybun> ?
[04:22] <valorie> yes to both questions
[04:23] <valorie> awesome
[04:23] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/CommandLine 
[04:23] <ahoneybun> what ?>
[04:23] <valorie> the repos. page
[04:24] <ahoneybun> thanks ;)
[04:24] <ahoneybun> that might need to change if we change to Muon Discover
[04:24] <valorie> right
[04:24] <ahoneybun> but not that big
[04:24] <valorie> do you think that sudo apt-get clean should be added to that list in the cli page
[04:25] <ahoneybun> what does it do?
[04:25] <ahoneybun> clean deps?
[04:25] <valorie> cleans downloads, useful when disk space is getting tight
[04:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:26] <ahoneybun> thanks
[04:26] <valorie> I don't use it often, but I've run short on space before
[04:26] <valorie> because I had my music in two places by mistake
[04:26] <valorie> :/
[04:26] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:27] <ahoneybun> what about the software page?
[04:28] <valorie> I still see the manual install stuff
[04:28] <ahoneybun> cut that?
[04:29] <valorie> I think that should be with 
[04:29] <valorie> hmmm
[04:29] <valorie> perhaps by itself; I was thinking it should be with cli, but that's great the way it is
[04:30] <valorie> another sentence / link, think, and another page for manually installing
[04:30] <valorie> most people never need to do that
[04:30] <ahoneybun> I just added a new link on cli 
[04:30] <valorie> geez, I'm watching some stuff about the tornado
[04:30] <valorie> but it's so awful, I need to speed through it
[04:30] <valorie> so glad I live outside of that part of the country
[04:30] <ahoneybun> what about the humble bundle, they install .deb files
[04:31] <ahoneybun> give the users .debs
[04:31] <valorie> sure, we need to link to it; because some people need it
[04:31] <valorie> but most don't
[04:31] <ahoneybun> I got a awesome feeling when they were talking about me jump starting the docs lol
[04:32] <ahoneybun> so link to a outside wiki?
[04:32] <valorie> might even be good to mention the humble bundles then, so people will find it when they google 'kubuntu deb humble bundle'
[04:32] <valorie> well, we *can* link to the ubuntu wiki
[04:32] <valorie> or we can have our own pages
[04:33] <ahoneybun> I have been
[04:33] <valorie> for stuff that rarely changes, I like having our own
[04:33] <valorie> since we already wrote the stuff
[04:33] <valorie> what do you think?
[04:33] <ahoneybun> make more pages?
[04:33] <ahoneybun> or link to current ones
[04:33] <ahoneybun> so I need to make a new page for the manual install?
[04:34] <valorie> the manual install and install from source sections can be their own page, I think
[04:34] <ahoneybun> but that is managing software?
[04:34] <ahoneybun> no?
[04:34] <valorie> how about Installing manual and from source
[04:34] <valorie> yes it is, I agree
[04:35] <ahoneybun> I know not basic thought
[04:35] <ahoneybun> though
[04:35] <valorie> but our major pages should be ONLY what the average beginning will need
[04:35] <valorie> 5 or 6 short pages, at most
[04:35] <ahoneybun> yea I see
[04:35] <valorie> the rest, we can link to
[04:35] <ahoneybun> well its 6 so far
[04:35] <ahoneybun> look at the trello
[04:36] <valorie> but our little shorties aren't going to be part of that
[04:36] <valorie> they'll be on the wiki and/or on the website only
[04:36] <valorie> not in the slice
[04:36] <valorie> as I understand it?
[04:36] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[04:36] <valorie> does that jibe with your thoughts?
[04:36] <ahoneybun> I need to edit it but thats the goal
[04:36] <valorie> cool
[04:37] <valorie> I just want to be sure we're all heading for the same goal
[04:37] <ahoneybun> what are these pages for? the slice or whatever we get to work?
[04:37] <ahoneybun> or is darkwing making html for the slice
[04:37] <valorie> the small pages you are cutting out will be on the wiki/website
[04:37] <valorie> not in the slice
[04:38] <valorie> let's not worry about anything but content now
[04:38] <valorie> some of it may change before package time anyway
[04:38] <ahoneybun> well I need to know what I'm working on now
[04:38] <valorie> if packages change, etc.
[04:38] <valorie> right
[04:38] <ahoneybun> so this will be linked on the site?
[04:38] <valorie> so this is the way I see it: we want our main 5 or so pages
[04:39] <valorie> the stuff we cut, we put on short, logical pages, and link to them from the main 5
[04:39] <valorie> do you agree?
[04:39] <ahoneybun> so these are not the main pages/
[04:39] <ahoneybun> ?
[04:40] <valorie> the 5 or so are the main pages
[04:40] <valorie> for the beginner
[04:40] <ahoneybun> the ones I have now
[04:40] <valorie> from those we link to everything else
[04:40] <valorie> well, IMO the ones we have now are too long
[04:40] <valorie> too comprehensive
[04:40] <valorie> it's good info
[04:40] <valorie> but it doesn't need to be there for the beginner
[04:41] <valorie> I would prefer pages short enough that people don't have to scroll
[04:41] <ahoneybun> oh so we talk about repositories and link  to the ubuntu page about repos?
[04:41] <ahoneybun> just sum it up and link to a new page for more content?
[04:42] <valorie> I'm getting confused
[04:42] <valorie> tell me what YOU would like to see, ideally
[04:42] <ahoneybun> well small content to show on the slice or what not for starters
[04:42] <ahoneybun> the 6 pages we have now
[04:43] <valorie> as they are?
[04:43] <ahoneybun> well a bit shorter maybe
[04:43] <ahoneybun> thats what I thought the goal was
[04:43] <valorie> ok
[04:43] <ahoneybun> and then link to bigger pages that have the rest
[04:44] <ahoneybun> that are already written and ready to go
[04:44] <valorie> right now I'll go through the 6 pages and then we'll talk again
[04:44] <ahoneybun> ok I need to get sleep for work anyway
[04:44] <valorie> because i have not gone through those pages since you and I and darkwing talked
[04:44] <valorie> ok?
[04:44] <ahoneybun> ok sounds great :)
[04:45] <ahoneybun> email or what not what you think 
[04:45] <valorie> rather than cutting anything, I'll put code in there
[04:45] <ahoneybun> code?
[04:45] <ahoneybun> comments?
[04:45] <valorie> like <-------------------------------> cut into new page called BlahBlah
 end of blahblah
[04:45] <valorie> ok?
[04:46] <ahoneybun> ok /* comment */ thats comments in moinmoin
[04:46] <valorie> then if you agree it will be easy to cut and paste into a new page
[04:46] <valorie> great
[04:46] <valorie> I'll use that then
[04:46] <ahoneybun> thats what I used
[04:46] <valorie> cool
[04:46] <valorie> I'd forgotten that
  will show on the real page the comment will just be in the edit
[04:47] <valorie> that's fine though, these are pages in work
[04:47] <ahoneybun> yea whatever works ;)
[04:47] <ahoneybun> good night/morning lol
[04:47] <valorie> sweet dreams, aaron
[04:47] <ahoneybun> see ya
[04:47] <valorie> ttyl
[04:49] <shadeslayer> valorie: {{hugs}}
[04:50] <valorie> hey, new council person!
[04:50] <valorie> {{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[04:50] <valorie> has it cooled down at all?
[04:50] <shadeslayer> you just out-hugged me :D
[04:50] <shadeslayer> nope
[04:50] <valorie> bummer
[04:50] <shadeslayer> phone says currently 36 degrees
[04:50] <shadeslayer> highest will be 46 today
[04:51] <valorie> and no news on your move to europe?
[04:51] <shadeslayer> not yet
[04:51] <valorie> damn, it will be hot enough to boil water for tea, in the sun
[04:51] <shadeslayer> I think I need to bribe afiestas_ with more indian food
[04:51] <shadeslayer> the super spicy kind
[04:52] <valorie> so he can burn inside like you are burning from the outside/
[04:52] <valorie> evil shadeslayer!
[04:52] <shadeslayer> :>
[04:52] <shadeslayer> well, he's pretty resilient
[04:53] <valorie> you too; I would have fried like an egg already
[04:53] <shadeslayer> we had lunch at an Indian restraunt and he was like, meh
[04:53] <shadeslayer> and I found the food to be almost-like-home-spicy
[04:53] <valorie> I can eat the hot food, but hot weather.....
[04:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: I have mechanisms in place to cope
[04:53] <shadeslayer> as long as there is electricity
[04:54] <shadeslayer> but as soon as that goes out, I'm in trouble
[04:54] <shadeslayer> which should actually be anytime now
[04:54] <valorie> at least you aren't in Oklahoma
[04:54] <valorie> I've been watching some of the coverage on tv tonight
[04:54] <valorie> what a horror
[04:54] <shadeslayer> oh, true
[04:55] <shadeslayer> though, are Tornado's a common occurence there?
[04:55] <valorie> yes
[04:55]  * shadeslayer hasn't been following that story properly
[04:55] <valorie> most of those places have no basements to shelter in though
[04:56] <valorie> one school with k-3 grades completely destroyed
[04:56] <shadeslayer> I see, how about *not* building houses in places where Tornado's are common occurence
[04:56] <valorie> dead kids
[04:56] <valorie> not sure how many yet
[04:56] <shadeslayer> oh shit .... :S
[04:56] <valorie> I have a friend who was from Texas
[04:56] <valorie> the roof came off her house, but everything else inside was fine
[04:57] <valorie> other houses skipped entirely, or completely obliterated
[04:57] <valorie> you never know
[04:57] <shadeslayer> my life goal 8 years ago was to become a storm/tornado hunter
[04:57] <valorie> HA
[04:57] <valorie> I'm glad you grew a brain
[04:57] <shadeslayer> was so inspired by Twister and all the programs on Discovery
[04:57] <valorie> otherwise we might never have met
[04:57] <shadeslayer> *on the Discovery channel
[04:57] <shadeslayer> hehe
[05:03] <ScottK> I grew up in that region and pretty much every house had a basement, cellar, or some kind of shelter.
[05:04] <ScottK> I find reports from Oklahoma City that this is not the case surprising.
[05:06] <valorie> esp. since Moore has already been hit badly once before
[05:06] <valorie> it seems like that would be required
[05:06] <valorie> especially for schools
[05:07] <valorie> otoh, not sure how much even that would help at over 200mph winds
[05:07] <shadeslayer> and like clockwork
[05:07] <shadeslayer> power cut \o/
[05:08] <valorie> :(
[05:14] <ScottK> For schools it was always go to an interior hallway during tornado drills.
[05:21] <valorie> I heard that at least one child was drowned in a cellar, so that isn't perfect either
[05:44] <ScottK> With weather that violent, nothing is.
[05:45] <soee> good morning
[09:33] <smartboyhw> Congrats yofel, shadeslayer and valorie!!!!!!!!!!
[09:34] <valorie> thank you, smartboyhw
[09:35] <shadeslayer> ^^ :)
[09:36] <smartboyhw> I made a good prediction this time I think…
[09:41] <soee> hmm i dont know what happend but gratz !
[09:42] <smartboyhw> soee: :) (for the not knowing part, lol)
[09:43] <soee> well if there where 2 persons mentioned i could assume they have a baby :)
[09:43] <soee> but 3 would be a bit strange ..
[09:43] <smartboyhw> soee: WT?
[09:43] <smartboyhw> soee: It's the Kubuntu Council election
[09:44] <soee> oh :D
[09:44] <smartboyhw> We have 6 members
[09:44] <smartboyhw> apart from the 3 newly elected, there are Riddell,ScottK and JontheEchdina
[09:45] <Riddell> it's deliberately large so it doesn't matter if people go astray
[09:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Heh, but every council should be large…
[09:47] <Mamarok> congratulatiosn yofel, shadeslayer and valorie :)
[09:47] <valorie> the more, the merrier
[09:47] <Riddell> hi Tariq
[09:47] <shadeslayer> thx Mamarok :)
[09:48] <valorie> :-)
[09:48] <valorie> soee: I'm well over childbearing years'
[09:48] <valorie> lol
[09:49] <yofel> wohoo! thanks folks!
[09:50] <smartboyhw> And since valorie is well over childbearing years, there can't be any pregrancy (at least yofel & shadeslayer can't make a baby…)
[09:51] <valorie> lol
[09:53] <soee> ;]
[09:55] <Riddell> Tariq!
[09:59] <Tariq_> hi!
[09:59] <Riddell> hi scott_ 
[10:00] <scott_> hi
[10:00] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Are yoy trying to hi everybody coming in? 
[10:00] <smartboyhw> And actually BTW what are the results of the Mumble meeting, thin?
[10:00] <Riddell> no, everyone should say hi to Tariq_ and scott_,they're from withsupport our support partners
[10:01] <Riddell> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-uds-saucy has some notes from the meeting
[10:01]  * Riddell gets breakfast
[10:02] <Tariq_> ok will check out those notes. also I'd like to introduce vinay_ and ryan__ from support
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell: AH 
[10:02] <smartboyhw> But why do you guys all need underscores?
[10:02] <smartboyhw> Welcome Tariq_ and scott_ and vinay_ and ryan_!
[10:03] <shadeslayer> hiya everyone :)
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Support guys: You will have to deal with trolls sometimes in #kubuntu…
[10:03] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:04] <scott_> i'm sure we have to deal with worse on the phone :P
[10:05] <scott_> and our names were taken, since they're pretty common
[10:05] <smartboyhw> What's the phone no. btw?
[10:06] <smartboyhw> So you guys only do phones and not IRC support?
[10:08] <scott_> this is our support number: +44 (0) 1924 950900
[10:08] <smartboyhw> Meh I need to call international then… :P
[10:14] <valorie> Welcome Tariq_ and scott_ and vinay_ and ryan_
[10:14] <valorie> good to see you all here
[10:15] <scott_> thanks valorie :)
[10:16] <Riddell> hi vinay_ and ryan__!
[10:16] <valorie> I hope we can soon get support up and running
[10:16] <valorie> :-)
[10:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you kindae need to pay them before they'll answer your call though
[10:16] <yofel> hi Tariq_, scott_, vinay_ and ryan__, welcome!
[10:16] <valorie> niter all
[10:17] <yofel> nini valorie
[10:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Heh, that will kinda make some people escape:P
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Anyways Riddell is that phone no. described in Kubuntu website?
[10:19] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no that'll be the next step, how to sign up to support
[10:19] <Riddell> which will need deciding on payment methods and whatnot
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Sure.
[10:23] <Tariq_> sorry forgot to mention rshirzad has joined this channel too! Welcome rebecca! 
[10:24] <Riddell> hi Rshirzad, quite a gang here :)
[10:25] <Rshirzad> hi
[10:35] <soee> what is Weston ?
[10:36] <Riddell> soee: an implementation of the wayland protocol
[10:36] <Riddell> soee: you can just install it and run it under X, works well
[10:37] <soee> asking because just saw some video on G+
[10:48] <Quintasan> \p
[10:48] <Quintasan> even \o
[10:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: I found us an tester for Muon Discover
[10:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh?
[10:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: My flatmate said he can do testing
[10:50] <Riddell> test away
[10:50] <Quintasan> He is mostly not tech oriented so I can say he is perfect candidate
[10:50] <Riddell> Tariq_: I'm around for another hour or so before I need to go out, anything we should be discussing today?
[10:51] <Tariq_> don't have anything pressing right now, although I will be emailing you re: paypal and support page later today/tomorrow
[10:52] <Riddell> Tariq_: great
[10:52] <Quintasan> Riddell: He is on to it, I will have him use it for a while and then tell me what's wrong etc.
[10:54] <yofel> wrt discover
[10:55] <yofel> meh, jt's not here
[10:55] <yofel> what's the default window size for you guys? Here it starts up like this: http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/discover0.png
[10:56] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: that seems reasonable enough no?
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: the white space should be filled by featured apps
[10:56] <Riddell> does that not happen?
[10:56] <yofel> Riddell: right, that's just because my connection is too slow to load that right now
[10:57] <yofel> but at least those 2 half-visible categories shouldn't be
[10:57] <Riddell> yofel: jt might not be here but apol__ is
[10:57] <yofel> ah right
[10:57] <apol> hola
[10:58] <yofel> either the window has to be a bit wider by default or the slideshow smaller
[10:58] <apol> yes
[10:58] <apol> I agree :)
[10:58] <apol> it will be fixed
[10:59] <apol> feel free to open a bug in bugs.kde.org whenever you find anything to fix, like this
[10:59] <yofel> will do
[10:59] <Riddell> apol: we agreed to get muon discover on the images for testing yesterday
[11:03] <apol> \o/
[11:09] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel, valorie: Gratz on making it to the Council
[11:09] <yofel> thanks Quintasan
[11:10] <apol> what does the kubuntu council do? is it something like the eV but for Kubuntu?
[11:13] <Riddell> apol: not really, it approves kubuntu memberships and makes decisions on the rare occations we disagree
[11:14] <Riddell> apol: it does also have a bank account so it's like e.v. to some extent but much less formal
[11:14] <apol> I see :P
[11:14] <apol> well
[11:14] <apol> congrat's to the people who got elected then! :)
[11:15] <Riddell> and thanks to Darkwing for years of good service and making it a real election
[11:56] <soee> uhm Skype update 4.2 :)
[12:57] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'm not vanishing just because I lost an election :D
[13:04] <apachelogger> pfff I did not even get forced to become a candidate
[13:05] <apachelogger> people didn't like me :(
[13:05] <Darkwing> lol apachelogger
[13:06] <Darkwing> It's going to be strange for a couple days.
[13:15] <Darkwing> valorie, when you get on... Ping
[13:17] <soee> is it possible to record skype calls ?
[13:18] <Darkwing> I believe so...
[13:18] <Darkwing> soee: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/11702/how-to-record-skype-video-calls-on-linux
[13:19] <soee> Darkwing, not video just voice 
[13:20] <Darkwing> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/03/audio-recorder-for-linux-easily-record-audio-streams-to-mp3
[13:24] <soee> Darkwing, audio-recorder: error while loading shared libraries: libappindicator3.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory :D
[13:28]  * Darkwing chuckles
[13:28] <Darkwing> I've never tried to record skype...
[13:29] <Darkwing> However, You can use a lot of streams as inputs with Audacity
[13:29] <Darkwing> Maybe you could use the settings in conjunction with the recorder.
[14:49] <baltolkien_> Hello
[14:49] <baltolkien_> Someone has lost the Nepomuk options in Dolphin?
[14:50] <baltolkien_> My Kubuntu 4.10.2 lost this option......
[15:02] <apol> vHanda maybe you can help baltolkien_ debug his issue?
[15:03] <vHanda> baltolkien_: You're missing "Desktop Search" in the System Settings?
[15:06] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:06] <baltolkien_> No
[15:06] <baltolkien_> I have the access
[15:06] <baltolkien_> And it's marked as Activate
[15:07] <baltolkien_> In details
[15:07] <baltolkien_> Always is "calculating"
[15:07] <apol> vHanda: ^
[15:09] <vHanda> baltolkien_: $ qdbus org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukfileindexer /nepomukfileindexer userStatusString
[15:10] <baltolkien_> vHanda: I must put this in the prompt?
[15:10] <vHanda> yes please
[15:10] <apol> baltolkien_: yes, and paste the results using http://paste.kde.org
[15:10] <baltolkien_> vHanda: OK
[15:11] <baltolkien_> vHanda: I do it
[15:14] <baltolkien_> vHanda: I put in http://paste.kde.org/748094/
[15:15] <vHanda> baltolkien_: That's strange. Could you also please run 'ps aux | grep nepomuk'
[15:15] <vHanda> you'll need to put this in the prompt as well
[15:15] <baltolkien_> vHanda: OK
[15:17] <baltolkien_> vHanda: I put in
[15:17] <vHanda> ps aux | grep nepomuk
[15:17] <baltolkien_> vHanda: http://paste.kde.org/748112/
[15:18] <vHanda> yeah. Nepomuk seems to be broken.
[15:18] <baltolkien_> vHanda: How can I fix it?
[15:18] <vHanda> could you please run 'kdebugdialog' and enable all the debug output
[15:18] <vHanda> then do 'pkill nepomuk'
[15:18] <vHanda> and then run 'nepomukserver'
[15:20] <baltolkien_> vHanda: Look: http://paste.kde.org/748118/
[15:21] <vHanda> try 'nepomukservicestub nepomukstorage' ?
[15:22] <baltolkien_> kill nepomuk first?
[15:23] <vHanda> doesn't matter :)
[15:23] <baltolkien_> OK
[15:23] <baltolkien_> Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[15:27] <apol> baltolkien_: that font problem is not preventing your nepomuk to work
[15:27] <apol> there should be more output
[15:27] <baltolkien_> apol: No
[15:28] <baltolkien_> I don't see anything else
[15:33] <vHanda> baltolkien_: did you enable all the debugging out from kdebugdialog?
[15:34] <baltolkien_> vHanda: Sorry, I didn't
[15:34] <vHanda> no problem, could you please try again?
[15:35] <baltolkien_> vHanda: now
[15:35] <baltolkien_> vHanda: Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line 9: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated.
[15:35] <baltolkien_> vHanda: nepomukstorage(4535)/kdecore (KSycoca) KSycocaPrivate::openDatabase: Trying to open ksycoca from "/var/tmp/kdecache-baltolkien/ksycoca4"
[15:35] <baltolkien_> vHanda: nepomukstorage(4535)/kdecore (KSycoca) KSycocaPrivate::openDatabase: Trying to open ksycoca from "/var/tmp/kdecache-baltolkien/ksycoca4"
[15:35] <baltolkien_> vHanda: Service nepomukstorage already running.
[15:35] <vHanda> oh
[15:35] <vHanda> damn
[15:36] <vHanda> could you please run -
[15:36] <baltolkien_> vHanda: That's all
[15:36] <baltolkien_> vHanda: I have a virus!!!!
[15:36] <vHanda> baltolkien_: $ qdbus org.kde.NepomukStorage /servicecontrol shutdown
[15:36] <vHanda> and then run 'nepomukservicestub nepomukstorage'
[15:38] <baltolkien_> and now?
[15:39] <baltolkien_> vHanda: Well
[15:39] <baltolkien_> vHanda: When I put qdbus org.kde.NepomukStorage /servicecontrol shutdown
[15:40] <baltolkien_> vHanda: The prompt says to me http://paste.kde.org/748136/
[15:41] <vHanda> urgh, just kill it 'pkill nepomuk'
[15:42] <baltolkien_> I kill nepomuk and put qdbus org.kd.......
[15:42] <baltolkien_> I have the same result
[15:44] <baltolkien_> :(
[15:45] <vHanda> baltolkien_: after you kill it please make sure it is not running
[15:45] <vHanda> cause nepomuk has a habbit of respawning itself
[15:46] <baltolkien_> It's like a zombie
[15:46] <baltolkien_> I desactivate form System Settings
[15:47] <baltolkien_> And now, I killed it
[15:47] <baltolkien_> from Krunner
[15:47] <baltolkien_> Service 'org.kde.NepomukStorage' does not exist.
[15:48] <baltolkien_> And now?
[15:49] <vHanda> awesome, now run 'nepomukservicestub nepomukstorage'
[15:49] <baltolkien_> ok
[15:50] <baltolkien_> Activate nepomuk from System Settings?
[15:51] <vHanda> nah. Just run that command
[15:51] <baltolkien_> ok
[15:52] <baltolkien_> I do it, but nothing changes
[15:52] <baltolkien_> :(
[16:20] <vHanda> baltolkien_: I'm sorry, I got sidetracked with some stuff
[16:20] <vHanda> baltolkien_: when you run 'nepomukservicestub nepomukstorage' nothing happens?
[16:22] <baltolkien_> vHanda: Hi... This is the message
[16:22] <baltolkien_> vHanda: http://paste.kde.org/748178/
[16:23] <vHanda> baltolkien_: and nepomuk was working before 4.10.2,  right?
[16:23] <baltolkien_> Yes
[16:23] <baltolkien_> I think, it works with KDE 4.10.2
[16:23] <vHanda> but not with 10.3?
[16:23] <baltolkien_> at least for a time
[16:24] <baltolkien_> I don'thave KDE 4.10.3
[16:24] <vHanda> cause I have heard of some other people with the same issue, but they fixed it by re-compiling
[16:25] <baltolkien_> Well... What can I do?
[16:25] <baltolkien_> I can wait for KDE 4.10.3
[16:27] <vHanda> shadeslayer: ping
[16:37] <shadeslayer> vHanda: pong
[16:41] <vHanda> shadeslayer: This is the second person I've heard of who's virtuoso will not start up in kubuntu for 4.10.2
[16:42] <vHanda> have you heard of anything similar?
[16:42] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: ping
[16:42] <shadeslayer> not really
[16:42] <vHanda> I know, I'm grasping at straws, but some other people had similar issues in #nepomuk-kde
[16:42] <vHanda> which they solved by recompiling
[16:42] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:43] <shadeslayer> can you ask them to upgrade to .3 instead
[16:45] <baltolkien_> I'm the person with the problem
[16:45] <vHanda> are they any specific ways to do that?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> instructions on kubuntu.org
[16:47] <baltolkien_> but.... the repositories are estble?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> yep, we plan to upload those packages to raring proposed soonish
[16:48] <baltolkien_> Well, I can wait
[17:01] <Mamarok> Riddell: why is KDE 4.10.3 not announced on kubuntu.org yet? AFAICS all packages are up
[17:04] <BluesKaj> 4.10.3 is already in use here , a bit crashy with system setings , so far
[17:06] <Mamarok> well, why is there no announcement?
[17:17] <shadeslayer> someone forgot I guess :P
[17:17] <shadeslayer> I can take care of it tomorrow morning
[17:20] <palasso> Hi JontheEchidna. I didn't notice earlier that the patch I submitted had an unneeded bracket which isn't needed. Doesn't change anything in the implementation, it's just more consistent with the use of brackets that exist elsewhere in the code and it's a bit prettier code that's all: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=314549#c4
[17:51] <dantti_laptop> ScottK: btw ubuntu installer didn't do anything different for gub to boot windows...
[17:51] <dantti_laptop> *grub
[18:29] <ahoneybun> yes Mamarok?
[19:13] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: sorry, almost missedyou. Could you please edit the subject line in the digest mails you are answering to? Leaving it with the default digest message is a very bad idea, as nobody knows what it was about.
[19:13] <ahoneybun> edit it now? or in the future?
[19:13] <Mamarok> or do not use digest if you are involved in a project, makes following up stuff much easier
[19:13] <Mamarok> in the future
[19:14] <ahoneybun> oh ok np sorry about that
[19:15] <ahoneybun> so like subject line "Kubuntu Docs
[19:15] <ahoneybun> "?
[19:23] <ahoneybun> Mamarok: so like subject line "Kubuntu Docs"?
[19:32] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: well, the subject that was originally used, that is in the digest mail
[19:33] <Mamarok> ahoneybun: but really, if you are involved in aproject you shouldavoid digest mails, you can still change that in your mailman settings
[19:33] <ahoneybun> well I'm getting emails from the KDE Digest and Kubuntu-Devel
[19:34] <Mamarok> so you are in the kde# and kubuntu-devel@ mailing lists, change your settings for the kubuntu-devel at least
[19:35] <Mamarok> kde@*
[19:37] <ahoneybun> ok
[19:38] <Mamarok> there is not that much traffic in there anyway, and at least you can asnwer in the relevant subject :)
[19:38] <ahoneybun> I unsubribed as you have a point
[19:38] <Mamarok> why unsubscribe? that was not necessary
[19:39] <Mamarok> just subscribe with normal mail, this makes following discussions much easier than with digest mails
[19:39] <ahoneybun> normal mail?
[19:39]  * ahoneybun is confused
[19:39] <Mamarok> well, don't subscribe to digests
[19:40] <Mamarok> when you subscribe to a mailing list, then you get normal mails and not all crammed in one mail
[19:40] <Mamarok> so in your subscription just change from digest to normal
[19:41] <ahoneybun> the only thing I'm subscribed to is Kubuntu-Devel, I think I am still subscribed though
[19:42] <Mamarok> OK, then in your settings there make sure you don't subscribed to digest mails, there is an option you can change
[19:42] <ahoneybun> I don't remember my password
[19:43] <Mamarok> you usually get a monthly reminder with the password, oryou can request it to be sent to you
[19:43] <Mamarok> or ask the mailing list admin, the address is at the bottom :)
[19:43] <ahoneybun> darn thing
[19:44] <ahoneybun> I hate forgetting it
[19:44] <Mamarok> well, as I said, you normally get a reminder once a month, check in your archives :)
[19:46] <ahoneybun> no luck
[19:51] <Mamarok> then ask to get it resent to you
[19:52] <ahoneybun> I see that now thanks
[19:54] <vassie> hello, i need some help updating an app i packaged for raring
[19:55] <vassie> i've built it but need to sign it
[19:55] <ahoneybun> vassie: I think that might be for #kubuntu channel
[19:55] <vassie> i'm on a new pc so need (i think) to download my gpg key
[19:56] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure
[19:57] <ahoneybun> Mamarok: fixed
[20:00] <vassie> #kubuntu have pointed me back to here :)
[20:00] <ahoneybun> oh ok then here
[20:00] <ahoneybun> what are you using launchpad?
[20:00] <vassie> yes
[20:01] <vassie> i need to download my gpg key but not sure how
[20:01] <vassie> unless i create a new one
[20:01] <lordievader> Hehe, I'm no authority in #kubuntu, vassie. Just thought the change of people having experience with this is higer in #kubuntu-devel.
[20:02] <vassie> lordievader: :)
[20:02] <ahoneybun> I know ssh keys are for each system
[20:02] <jessie> vassie: GPG keys are two parts.
[20:02] <jessie> vassie: If you lost your private key, you're hosed and you'll need to make a new one.
[20:02] <jessie> Not even the NSA themselves (we think) can get it back.
[20:02] <vassie> ok, i'll just create a new one and upload it
[20:03] <jessie> That's what I recommend. Good luck and try not to lose this one. ;-)
[20:11] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ping
[21:53] <ahoneybun_> Hrllo
[22:56] <valorie> Darkwing: ping
[23:27] <smartboyhw> I got a surprise holiday!!!!
[23:59] <smartboyhw> Guys, where (which package) is the configuration for the meni tabs stored?