[08:01] <mpt> xnox!
[08:02] <xnox> mpt: hola =)
[08:02] <mpt> xnox, we should talk about language selection in the installer
[08:02] <xnox> saw your email, but didn't do anything with ubiquity just yet.
[08:02] <mpt> sometime but not right now
[08:02] <xnox> mpt: sure. Yeah, I have a few things to catch up on ;-)
[08:02] <mpt> 90 minutes from now?
[08:07] <xnox> mpt: ack.
[08:44] <Pbas1> Hi, I need help to finalize my install CD of ... Ubuntu/lucid with a custom installer with kernel 3: I generate the initrd.gz/vmlinuz and put in the ubuntu-server CD but my install stop after the network configuration (it is not a core dump but a return to main menu installer without partionning entry etc..), any ideas? thxs
[09:13] <cjwatson> Pbas1: That sounds like about the point when the installer's trying to fetch more components of itself, so I suspect you either haven't supplied matching kernel module udebs, or you've generated the Packages file etc. wrongly
[09:17] <Pbas1> No my installer find my udebs files. In fact, this is done before the network configuration.
[09:18] <Pbas1> I read this http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2006/debconf6/slides/Debian_installer_workshop-Frans_Pop/paper/index.html#id2534366 and I think the "stage 4" doesn't start. I don't know why.
[09:18] <cjwatson> Can you extract the installer syslog and post it on a pastebin?
[09:24] <Pbas1> I will try
[09:32] <mpt> xnox, so, I mailed you about separating out the language from the Try/Install as suggested by Christina
[09:32] <mpt> xnox, but then I remembered, wasn't there some issue about the language selection being redundant altogether? Because you already choose language when Ubuntu starts up, or something.
[09:35] <xnox> mpt: yeah. (from my point of view anyway). We can start in three modes: greeter (need to select language and/or install-vs-try, if try - installer will be launched again later with no choices needed any more)
[09:35] <xnox> install-only (need to select language only)
[09:36] <xnox> try-only (not sure if possible, but will need to select language only)
[09:37] <xnox> one can also pre-select correct language during boot menu.
[09:38] <xnox> for consistency though, one may always want to present a choice of language / change of language. As we have complete translations of the installer, but may have incomplete language packs during try-ubuntu.
[09:41] <cjwatson> We never wanted to rely on the boot menu language chooser
[09:41] <cjwatson> And indeed in our current configuration users only see it at all if they press a key to interrupt boot
[09:42] <cjwatson> I wouldn't recommend regarding ubiquity's language selector as redundant
[09:42] <Pbas1> cjwatson: here my syslog: http://pastebin.com/csfYfE0S
[09:43] <xnox> cjwatson: sure, but is there a need to show ubiquity's langauge selector twice? in the greeter -> try ubuntu -> install ubuntu run -> lang selector shown again.
[09:43] <xnox> then again it's not the default way to install ubuntu, and we don't know how many people go down that route.
[09:44] <cjwatson> xnox: no
[09:45] <cjwatson> Pbas1: Hmm.  Nothing obvious, but I still suspect a problem with the Packages files since those supply the data that control how the next menu item is selected.  Can you share the image?
[09:51] <Pbas1> initrd or vmlinuz?
[09:51] <cjwatson> The image.  The whole thing
[09:51] <Pbas1> iso file?
[09:51] <cjwatson> Right
[09:51] <cjwatson> Did you modify anything about it other than the initrd.gz and vmlinuz?
[09:53] <Pbas1> yes I add some deb packages, I will remove them and share iso file then.
[09:53] <cjwatson> Hmm, lucid with 3.0.0.  That's brave.
[09:54] <cjwatson> You'll find some bits of userspace failing because they don't like the version, I expect.
[09:54] <cjwatson> (Since I distinctly recall fixing some of those when we switched to 3.x.)
[09:54] <Pbas1> Yes but we must use this version because we depend on another packages
[09:55] <Pbas1> the net install work like a charm with 3.0 kernel anyway
[09:59] <cjwatson> I think libc6.preinst got fixed in an update, but e.g. I wonder if the fix for http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=633015 was ever backported
[09:59] <ubot2> Debian bug 633015 in python2.7 "when built on Linux 3.0, sys.platform = "linux3" causes multiple problems" [Important,Fixed]
[10:00] <cjwatson> A bunch of stuff will certainly fail to build if you ever have cause to build locally
[10:01] <cjwatson> I don't think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ipsec-tools/+bug/877891 was ever backported
[10:01] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 877891 in ipsec-tools (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Racoon fails to load the crypto modules" [High,Fix released]
[10:01] <cjwatson> That kind of thing
[10:05] <Pbas1> I'm loading my libc6-udeb in initrd.
[10:06] <Pbas1> I will share iso file this afternoom (lunch time :-) ) thxs
[10:18] <mpt> xnox, sorry, I got a little distracted by that update check discussion
[10:19] <mpt> xnox, so do we assume that if you want to install in a particular language, you will choose that language at the login screen before you even get to the installer?
[10:23] <xnox> mpt: login screen - the first thing one sees once the CD is fully booted?
[10:23] <xnox> (usually refered to as the greeter screen)
[10:23]  * xnox looks up my screenshots.
[10:25] <xnox> mpt: https://picasaweb.google.com/105922848292507689403/1210TryUbuntu?noredirect=1 in this slide "Try ubuntu" is selected at image 4.
[10:25] <xnox> then installer is launched again and language selection / release notes are shown again.
[10:26] <xnox> imho it should show something like "(ubuntu logo) welcome" or go straight into prepare checkboxes.
[10:26] <xnox> (note the sequence is shortened after image 6)
[10:27]  * xnox goes to read the spec change.
[10:30] <xnox> mpt: your changes looks good at http://goo.gl/btgHH
[10:30] <xnox> "The hidden options on the welcome page, such as the changing of text when in OEM install mode, will be cleaned up and properly aligned under the install option." Why not separate "OEM page" just for that option & explanation text?
[10:31] <xnox> "The 'update the installer' emergency option will be surrounded in a frame and anchored to the bottom of the page, to avoid it appearing as part of the install option."
[10:31] <xnox> ok but that brings the question of if / where do we show a link to release notes?