[00:17] anyone awake? [00:17] preferrably someone in the UK on virgin media [00:17] sorry, I'm not on VM [00:17] I need someone with linux knowledge to collaborate a hunch regarding their shitty network, run a traceroute and/or ping [00:18] penguin42: you're on demon, can you ping continuumdatacenters.com ? [00:19] my VPS is there and I'm trying to find out why the fuck the entire data center is unroutable from Virgin media users in the UK [00:19] sure give me a sec [00:19] 64 bytes from cdc.io (173.243.123.51): icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=123 ms [00:20] also pings from my bytemark vm [00:20] grrrrrrr [00:20] i've confirmed it works from by EU VPS, a friend on Bt infinity, now you on demon [00:21] but nope, not Virgin media....they've fucked up their peering and blackholed the entire place [00:21] first they fuck with my broadband, now they're fucking with my business website [00:22] it's possible it's not VM; I mean routing is damn complex and it could be some one else; but since both demon and bytemark can ping it, it doesn point to your VM [00:22] complex my arse [00:22] I've got a shell on a VM connected box if needed. [00:23] and bt infinity. [00:23] * penguin42 would gently point to the language rules on this channel... [00:23] C-S-B: can you ping from your Virgin box to continuum? [00:23] sorry [00:23] HM_: sure. [00:23] that's odd .. I can ping from home (upc.ie) and hetzner, but not from bitfolk [00:24] ping continuumdatacenters.com [00:24] PING continuumdatacenters.com (173.243.123.51) 56(84) bytes of data. [00:24] 64 bytes from cdc.io (173.243.123.51): icmp_req=1 ttl=55 time=103 ms [00:24] C-S-B: can you traceroute that and PM me the trace? [00:24] HM_: ^ [00:24] i know this isn't ubuntu talk but i didn't know where else to find people in the UK [00:25] especially tech savvy peeps [00:26] HM_: What happens from your side? [00:26] from my end i can't get past my gateway [00:27] from the box itself (ssh'd in via a proxy on my EU VPS) i can't get past a dozen hops [00:27] it's less than 11 hops from my demon ADSL to it apparently [00:27] nothing else seems to be effected just the Continuum IP range, which makes no sense [00:28] can you ping 100gigabitethernet13-2.core1.chi1.he.net ? [00:29] nope [00:29] i can't ping anything in 184.105.223.0/24 [00:30] Boom [00:30] and now it works [00:30] routing hickup then [00:31] nothing's a hiccup when it comes to virgin [00:31] i've had extreme packet loss at peak times for a month [00:31] HM_: I just had trouble from the VM connection getting to ubuntu to install traceroute. [00:31] then it worked as you said yours did. Possibly related. [00:33] Traced fine to continuumdatacenters.com [00:33] traces fine here now as well [00:33] but it was out for 40 minutes [00:33] still, I guess that shows that someone is actually using 100GbE - nice :-) [00:34] or just an optimistic hostname :P [00:35] yeah it's probably ethernet over fibre at that rate. [00:35] wouldn't find 100g hugely surprising for he.net, to be honest [00:35] I knew you could buy 40GbE but hadn't realised 100 was around [00:36] thanks for assistance anyhow [00:36] np [00:37] urgh [00:38] but yeah, avoid virgin if at all possible [00:38] 120 Mb/s broadband sounds nice but it's a pipe dream [00:39] http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/b3d0e6783f3ab5b874ecd250e18a80e1-20-05-2013.html <-- the red shows packet loss all morning today [00:39] stopped dead at noon for no apparent reason [00:40] no infinity here unfortunately, so I'm stuck with ADSL2 or vm if I want faster [00:43] infinity are available here now but switching is painful due to the fam [00:43] they all use virgin email addresses, watch the tv package etc [00:44] bundling doesn't make going to BT just for broadband cost effective [05:40] Whoa.. flickr changed [05:53] yup [06:57] morning [08:04] Morning all [08:04] 2\o [08:05] uh [08:05] \o [08:06] heh [08:07] HM_: Conversation from last night I know, but I still have my virgin email address 3-4 years after leaving them, plenty of time to get people slowly moved over :) [08:22] I need more tea, and perhaps even a glass of wine. [08:22] and yes, it's again one of *those* mornings [08:22] Myrtti: at this hour? [08:22] Wine?!?!!? [08:22] :P [08:22] atleast my death threat tally for today is still 0 [08:23] outgoing or incoming? [08:23] incoming [08:23] outgoing is too enumerous to count [08:23] I just don't usually say them out loud or type them [08:23] just cringe and twitch my hands :-P [08:24] it's just so heartwarming when someone tells that they know where you are and what they'll do [08:24] there's that little difference of twitching and saying and doing [08:24] Freenode related Myrtti ? [08:24] I do the first [08:25] diplo: yeah. [08:25] That sucks, sorry to hear that [08:25] but yeah, I definitely need more tea [08:26] and yes, even if today sucks, I've had worse days. tea should help a bit. [08:30] Suppose I ought to get second tea on, given up on alcohol so tea/juice it'll have to be :P [08:31] Mornin everyone [08:34] Morning knightwise [08:34] hey diplo [08:34] how are ya dude [08:34] Not to bad thanks, yourself ? [08:35] bogged down in a financial meeting [08:35] going to have to give some infrastructure and security advice [08:36] morning all [08:36] But on IRC, good work! [08:36] 24 hours without the internet feels like AGES [08:37] Great thing about this job, very few meetings.. pity the job sucks [08:37] :P [08:48] diplo: only way not to fall asleep [08:49] Is "The partitioner in the installer doesn't allow the setting of filesystem labels" too terse for a bug report? I can't think what else to say... [08:50] BigRedS: Don't think "The partitioner in " adds much. [08:50] Just "Installer doesn't allow the setting of filesystem labels" [08:51] You're making it even shorter! [08:51] Ahh - do you mean the title or the actual report? [08:58] Good morning peeps :) [09:01] the actual report [09:04] BigRedS: How about a screenshot and description of any error message (or not as the case may be)? [09:08] There's no error message, just no "set label" button [09:08] think I'll just file it and wait and see if it provokes questions === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:12] popey: first hole in my nabees :-( [09:14] TheOpenSourcerer: does "Print Screen" work for taking screenshots during installation? [09:14] Presumably in the liveCD [09:14] at least [09:14] shrik: Dunno. Good question though. [09:31] good morning everyone, [09:32] Goood Morning! [09:33] morning BigRedS [09:37] 1tb on flickr :-| [09:39] blimey [09:39] I keep forgetting flickr exists [09:39] I was just in the process of switching to G+ as its photo bits are a lot better [09:39] also integrated with social features [09:40] you are using 0.046% of your 1TB [09:40] * mungbean closes the snobby 500px account [09:45] I push my mobile phone photos to Google+ as a backup, but all the photos I actually care of go to Flickr. I hope their new Android app has some kind of automation [09:45] I haven't yet looked [09:46] the slight thing about flickr is that it is now more "social" [09:46] but i only have 2 contacts on there [09:46] so it forces you to remove them all or add more [09:46] because their pics dominate [09:47] i'm glad they are trying to be awesome again though [09:48] Myrtti: phone version has no auto-upload [09:48] also, I can't figure out how to do anything except "show photos my contacts made" [09:48] *remove* [09:49] be patient, it will come [09:49] I already auto-upload to Google. I don't need two backups [09:49] [09:50] I'd rather auto-upload to flickr... [09:50] +1 [09:50] kinda bizarre situation atm where I'd actually trust flickr to stick around longer [09:51] shauno: my real backups are on my own physical media [09:51] and at my parents' [09:51] mine are in amazon glacier [09:51] g+ and/or flickr shutting down would only be an inconvenience [09:51] pay a few pennies for it [09:51] mungbean: I've got them there too :) [09:51] mungbean: $1.50/month [09:52] my NAS supports automatic timed backups to Glacier. Win :) [09:52] Who needs backups, if ever you lose a file/picture etc, just email MI6/Homeland security and ask them for a copy that they've 'stored for security purposes' :) [09:52] DJones: Of course. But convenience man! [09:53] that doesn't actually seem impossible. just cc your local MP on everything, and then file freedom of information request if you ever need it back [09:54] or wait for a more (or less) reputable newspaper to do it for you [09:54] "Whose nude pics are those, mr MP?" [09:55] just found an interesting phrasing of a photo setting in android g+ app, "auto-awesome". [09:55] brobostigon: yeah, it creates an animated gif, or panorama, or some other coolness [09:55] I think [09:55] MartijnVdS: interesting, [09:55] https://support.google.com/plus/answer/3113884?p=photos_auto_awesome&rd=1 === mh0` is now known as mh0 [09:58] or does all the levels and contrasts and smoothing for you [09:58] that's auto-improve, I think [09:58] separate feature [09:59] looks interesting, [09:59] brobostigon: the phone pics in my "England" album are auto-optimized [09:59] brobostigon: https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5877491002319853233 [10:00] MartijnVdS: what is auto-optimised then ? [10:00] brobostigon: that's the automatic levels/contrast thing Myrtti mentioned [10:00] MartijnVdS: ah, :) [10:00] brobostigon: it makes colours a bit brighter, and makes more details visible [10:00] mmm distracted by cookies [10:02] MartijnVdS: some good pictures there. [10:02] brobostigon: thanks :) [10:02] MartijnVdS: :) [10:02] brobostigon: I have a few more I haven't bothered to convert to JPG yet :) [10:02] MartijnVdS: ah, :) [10:03] also.. land's end is a LOOOOONG drive [10:03] loool [10:04] admittedly my flickr and google+ has a lot of photos nowadays I can't watch, but that's life. I'd give you a link to my auto-improved pictures, but I auto-improved them last week and cried enough then, I'll wait for a few weeks before I'll look at them again. [10:04] * Myrtti tries to distract herself with cookies again [10:05] * mungbean looks at baby pics [10:06] mungbean: your own? :) [10:07] yes, that would be....weird [10:08] even when baby is screaming i look at cute pics to remind me she can be cute [10:08] haha aww [10:08] suppress the rage/furstration [10:08] how did people do that before computers? [10:09] or before *photography* [10:09] e.g. http://ubuntuone.com/0cImRHlVUg1Ri2ejsUYyvd [10:09] mischievous smile [10:09] aww how could a cutie like that scream so much [10:09] etc etc [10:10] mustard machine [10:10] colmans english [10:10] or, humbrol 24, trainer yellow [10:11] since breastfeeding stopped, we stopped getting the coarse grain mustard [10:32] That was a really weird sentence before I read up to see the history. I sort-of wish I hadn't [10:33] heh context [10:37] Morning all [10:57] i think a bacon sarnie is called for for lunch, :) [11:37] cannot sign into gmail chat from pidgin. looks like the xmpp droppage happened already [11:37] that's quick [11:37] bad habit they are developing of ditching stuff at short ntoice [11:37] i'm still on it [11:38] federation was still working for me about 8 hours ago [11:39] Morning all! :) [11:40] morning UTC, anyway [11:43] seems broke now [11:43] I thought Google were going to continue to allow xmpp connections from apps like pidgin [11:43] i wonder if its at all possible to get hangouts wroking on pidgin [11:43] DJones: don't look possible atm [11:43] mungbean: This is what I was going on http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/05/hands-on-with-hangouts-googles-new-text-and-video-chat-architecture/ [11:44] just signed out and in, still works [11:44] In the good news, bad news section [11:45] "he good news is that Hangouts will still support client-to-server connections via XMPP, though only for one-to-one text chat. That means that Web and client-side chat applications that have used XMPP to connect to Google Talk will still be able to see presence information about their contacts in Google+ and chat with them via text in Hangouts. That news will come as relief to users of multi-service IM clients such as Adium, Pidgin, and Web-based an [11:45] fantastic [11:45] restarted pidgin and connected now :P [11:46] I wish I could still see presence data on the G+ web interface [11:46] I think that'd require people to actually use G+? [11:47] penguin42: in the phone app, offline people have a faded-out icon [11:52] Google :/ [12:03] DJones: got cut off at Adium, Pidgin, and Web-based a === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:05] Myrtti: such as Aduim, Pidgin, and Web-based and mobile tools like Imo and Xumi. [12:06] Didn't really cut much off [12:08] what client are you using? [12:09] if irssi, load splitlong.pl [12:10] I'll have a look at it [12:13] Ta, that works, I alreadey had it installed, just had forgotten to autoload it [12:36] diplo: ty === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:28] AlanBell / TheOpenSourcerer : What is the dedi server company you use in Europe, having a blank atm [13:28] Begins with an H I'm sure [13:29] Hetzner? [13:29] aha, was just about to type [13:29] that [13:29] Ta [13:29] Still happy with them [13:29] http://www.hetzner.de/page_en.htm [13:29] Yep. No issues really. [13:29] * AlanBell is also happy with them [13:30] apparently not so great if you need lots of support [13:30] No, we just use a company that sucks some of the time [13:31] Either going with a VPS from them, or debating about a dedi box [13:31] * penguin42 uses Bytemark [13:31] Just don't understand how they're so cheap [13:32] Scale I think. [13:32] bytemark and bitfolk are also good, probably better for vps, but we wanted cheap real hardware with lots of bandwidth [13:33] My biggest downside is the server be it VPS/Dedi needs to be administered by some non sys admin people [13:33] So our current people offer cpanel/whm with the VPS.. [13:33] Have debated wedmin though [13:33] or ispconfig [13:33] cpanel /o\ [13:34] Arrggghhhh [13:34] That and Plesk. Bags of #fail. [13:34] diplo: http://www.bytemark.co.uk/hosting/symbiosis [13:34] I don't use them personally, but they don't want to be to dependant on me :) [13:35] So I'm open to any suggestions, thanks penguin42 looking now [13:36] In 20+ years of this company running, I've wrote more documentation in the last 2 weeks than combined 10+ staff have in that time :P [13:38] diplo: webmin has the distinct advantage that you can still administer the machine normally [13:38] yeah.. going to set up a test box and see how the others get on with it I think [13:39] They *know* cpanel and want that, but it also costs £10-15 a month extra.. [13:39] that symbiosis is opensource, maybe worth a play [13:40] diplo: I've not tried it [13:42] webmin is a good deal less featureful than cpanel [13:42] I think I'll order a plain old VPS, test that with webmin for a week, ISPConfig for a week and then maybe try that symbiosis for a week and whichever they like the most we can try for the last week a second time [13:42] and you probably want to add virtualmin; lots of people seem to not notice it. Adds proper vhost support in apache & postfix [13:43] yeah I had a quick play myself, about to move office soon and have a spare line so may even test on there [13:44] I suppose I could test in a VM here later [14:06] mgdm: is this still the best way of preserving numeric keys when merging arrays? http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.array-merge.php#40205 [14:08] bigcalm: not something I do a lot of, but if it works then I don't see anything wrong [14:09] mgdm: fair enough. Just a 9 year old comment is still relevant... === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:35] bigcalm: Alex has joined the 21century and got broadband :) [14:53] davmor2: lucky lad. We'll never see him at the LUG again. Too busy downloading things [14:54] bigcalm: I said to him you want to download an iso just cause you can and be amazed at how quick it arrives, he said I've already got 13.04 installed.....D'oh === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [16:00] hi [16:01] have a problem with k3d [16:04] it would be better if you said what the problemw as [16:05] having problem writing to disk [16:05] says no write permmisions [16:05] where is it trying to write? [16:06] to either a usb cd/dvd drive or the internal cd/dvd drive [16:07] also canot see my internal usb drive when using home [16:07] have ubuntu12.04 installed on a laptop [16:08] k3d shows both drives [16:10] KDE, there's your problem :P [16:12] even brasero will not burn to cd/dvd [16:13] any error messages? [16:15] Error 503 Backend is unhealthy [16:15] :( [16:15] just seems to come up with error while burning unknown error occured [16:16] brianb: does cdrecord file.iso work [16:16] on the command line? [16:16] im trying to burn a iso file [16:16] brianb: yes, if you open a terminal, can you burn it using "cdrecord"? [16:17] have not tried that [16:17] because if you can, the problem is not in talking to the drive, it's one of the layers between the GUI and "cdrecord" [16:18] brianb: Oh, you mean k3b! [16:18] and would that be on both k3d and brasero? [16:19] brianb: could be [16:19] brianb: the advantage of cdrecord is that it actually gives useful error messages ;) [16:19] what command do i need to enter in the terminal [16:19] brianb: where is the .iso file? [16:19] in ~/Downloads? [16:19] then: [16:20] cdrecord ~/Downloads/your_file.iso [16:20] If you have more than one CD/DVD drive, use: [16:20] cdrecord dev=/dev/XXX ~/Downloads/your_file.iso [16:21] where XXX = the device name of your drive [16:21] (see dmesg, probably) [16:21] yes a usb and the internal cd drive [16:21] brianb: can you put the output of "dmesg" on pastebin [16:21] oh wait [16:22] "cdrecord -prcap" prints capabilities of all drives, including their names [16:23] if you could pastebin *that*, it would be more helpful than dmesg, I think [16:24] ok im trying to use the cdrecord cmd first [16:25] !pastebin :) [16:25] !pastebin [16:25] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [16:25] :) [16:29] in the terminal it dects both drives but msg says wodim : no write mode specific [16:29] brianb: can you paste everything cdrecord/wodim writes into the terminal on paste.ubuntu.com? [16:30] how do i do that [16:30] brianb: you can copy the text as usual.. with the mouse and right-click "Copy" [16:31] brianb: then go to paste.ubuntu.com with a web browser, and paste it there [16:31] it'll give you a link to paste here [16:31] ok [16:32] ive disconnect the usb drive and tried the cdrecord cmd trying to write to the intenal cd/dvd drive [16:32] my url thats my email ? [16:33] No, http://paste.ubuntu.com/ -> poster = "brianb", Content = whatever cdrecord says [16:33] then click "Paste!" and it will tell you what to do [16:34] ok [16:34] i will redo the terminal again [16:35] brianb: the URL will look like http://paste.ubuntu.com/12342342 [16:35] brianb: if you paste that here, we can see what you pasted :) [16:39] just going to past [16:40] ok, what's the URL of the paste? [16:42] 5687505 [16:42] "Cannot load media" [16:42] is the drive closed? [16:42] yes [16:43] brianb: can you pastebin the output of "cdrecord -prcap" [16:45] yes [16:45] 5687516 [16:47] It only detects one drive [16:48] yes because i have disconected the usb cd/dvd and have tried to use the internal cd/dvd drive [16:49] can you connect the external drive, run "cdrecord -prcap" again (and pastebin its output), please? [16:49] so it should write to its internal drive [16:49] ok [16:49] yeah, but it thinks the drive is open and it can't close it.. for some reason [16:49] do i need any media in the usb drive? [16:49] no [16:52] 5687540 [16:53] still just detects the one drive [16:53] Number of supported write speeds: 0 [16:53] Uh.. wut? [16:53] Looks like the drive returns garbage [16:53] bit limiting :-) [16:53] dont i have to put some media in to mont the drive? [16:54] brianb: hm, maybe prcap only prints capabilities of the default drive [16:54] brianb: let me check [16:54] can you try "cdrecord -inq" [16:54] brianb: I'd say it's worth getting the info with media in [16:58] ok tryed both cdrecord -inq and prcap with media in [16:58] is the second drive detected? [16:58] 5687553 [16:58] if not, can you paste the last screne of output of "dmesg"? [16:58] yes i can access it via home === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:01] the paste still appears the same even though there are two drives present? [17:03] hence my question: could you paste the last screenful of "dmesg" output? [17:04] yes just doing it [17:05] its a large txt [17:05] brianb: dmesg is large, the last few lines should be enough (10-20 lines) [17:06] dmesg | tail -20 [17:06] bigcalm: \o/ [17:06] :) [17:08] Even better would be: dmesg | tail -20 | pastebinit [17:10] but not everyone has pastebinit installed [17:10] * MartijnVdS wants a TARDIS [17:10] 5687593 [17:10] Or something that makes it the middle of june now [17:11] brianb: cdrecord dev=/dev/sr1 -prcap [17:11] brianb: cdrecord dev=/dev/sr1 the_file.iso [17:11] one PRints CAPabilities [17:11] the other should record. [17:11] so what would you like? [17:11] try prcap first [17:12] then if that shows the capabilities properly try the recording option [17:13] says the device is busy [17:13] hmm [17:14] sounds like some other program is using it then [17:14] using the prcap do i need to take the media out? [17:14] no [17:16] MartijnVdS: pastebinit is easy enough to install: sudo apt-get install pastebinit :) [17:17] still says its buys [17:17] says the device is\mounted [17:17] its busy.... [17:18] question, and an interesting one, does such software exist, so if you take sufficiant and detailed pictures, it can create an type of 3d dimensions, from those pictures ? [17:22] 5687625 for both [17:25] any ideas what might be causing the problem [17:26] hi [17:33] 5687658 another try without any media [17:34] brobostigon: yes it exists [17:34] ali1234: what is it called ? [17:35]