[01:13] <Guanacat> buenas tardes
[01:13] <Unit193> !es
[01:25] <Guanacat> bona cera
[03:07] <xubuntu986> hello? i just uploaded xubuntu and it asking for user and password what should i do
[03:08] <xubuntu986> hello? i just uploaded xubuntu and it asking for user and password what should i do
[04:05] <sketch_> ok i got a few ?'s... i want to be able to access my movie drive from my other pc also running xubuntu 13.xx
[04:06] <sketch_> any ideas? i also want a good snes emulster like snes9x
[04:07] <sketch_> emulator*
[04:07] <nyRednek> sketch_: i like zsnes
[04:08] <sketch_> how do i get it to work in xubuntu?
[04:09] <sketch_> i tried bsnes and its not letting me run anything
[04:10] <nyRednek> sketch_: zsnes is in the universe repo
[04:10] <nyRednek> sketch_: you running 64 bit or 32 bit?
[04:10] <sketch_> 64 all day
[04:11] <nyRednek> sketch_: oh...zsnes is 32 bit
[04:11] <nyRednek> sketch_: and written in assembly
[04:11] <sketch_> and when i goto the software center to try to install it i get this   There isn’t a software package called “zsnes” in your current software sources.
[04:12] <nyRednek> sketch_: there isn't a 64 bit version
[04:12] <sketch_> figures
[04:13] <sketch_> any ideas?
[04:16] <nyRednek> i forget if ubuntu still does multilib
[04:21] <sketch_> i have no idea
[04:24] <Unit193> Yes.
[05:14] <sketch_> anyone know how to get file sharing working?
[05:15] <sketch_> i have all 4 of mt pc's im my house on xubuntu 13.04 and one thats always on that has all my music/movies that i want all the pc's to be able to connect to
[05:15] <Unit193> Over Samba/cifs it isn't so hard.
[05:16] <sketch_> do explain please
[05:16] <Unit193> I just edit /etc/samba/smb.conf and I'm good to go, but maybe below will help.
[05:16] <Unit193> !samba
[05:17] <sketch_> i installed samba on all the pc's but now im lost
[06:27] <Kilos> morning from za
[06:28] <Kilos> can someone please help me with getting xchat alert sound working
[06:29] <Kilos> on ubuntu it plays bell.ogg but here on xchat i get nothing
[06:29] <Kilos> all other sound works
[06:29] <Kilos> i am using 12.04
[07:35] <XATRIX> Hi guys, i've updated to 13 version of xubuntu, and my terminal became xterm, or something like this
[07:36] <XATRIX> Actually when i open my terminal , i have a plain windows, without borders, caption bar. Windows decorations
[07:37] <XATRIX> That's the screenshot i have http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-21052013-103720.php
[07:38] <XATRIX> Anything you can advice me to get back windows manager styles back on this window ?
[07:38] <Myrtti> and you can repeat the bug even after logging out and back in again?
[07:39] <XATRIX> Didn't test it, but i think it should be the same
[07:39] <XATRIX> You wan't me to log in/out ?
[07:39] <Myrtti> is this the first time you've logged in after the upgrade?
[07:40] <XATRIX> Nope, i upgraded yesterday, then rebooted one time after, and was working about half of the day
[07:40] <XATRIX> And today i see this crappy thing
[07:41] <XATRIX> Ok, let me relog
[07:41] <XATRIX> I'll test it
[07:43] <XATRIX> Myrtti: Yea, the same shit happend again, no windows styles for this window
[07:44] <TheSheep> XATRIX: right-click inside it, select preferences, go to the appearance tab and check the 'display borders around new windows' checkbox
[07:45] <TheSheep> XATRIX: then open a new terminal window
[07:45] <TheSheep> also
[07:45] <XATRIX> Yeap, thanks
[07:45] <TheSheep> !language | XATRIX
[07:45] <XATRIX> that's my fault... i've disabled...
[07:46] <Myrtti> well that was interesting, total hands free experience while my laptop decided it was time to do something with my harddrive
[07:46] <XATRIX> Ah, sorry, i won't say a bad words... I'm not english-native, so, didn't think that was distressing
[07:47] <XATRIX> Also, is there any shortcuts for using as "maximize window" ? Not a fullscreen mode, not to override pop-ups
[07:49] <koegs> XATRIX: ALT+F10
[07:49] <koegs> you can change it in the system settings
[07:49] <XATRIX> Yea, thanks a lot!
[08:20] <Mohi> hey guys
[08:20] <Mohi> anyone there?
[08:21] <Myrtti> to a varying degree
[08:21] <Mohi> hi Myrtti
[08:22] <Mohi> Iḿ trying to use an USB device on my Xubuntu
[08:22] <Mohi> which requires USBFS
[08:23] <Mohi> apparently, this is not available for thos kernel versions higher than 2.6, which is the case here
[08:23] <Mohi> Do you have any idea how to deal with that?
[09:48] <madam> Greetings Mere Mortals.
[09:49] <bazhang> madam, do you have a xubuntu support question?
[10:07] <madam> bazhang? What sort of a name is that? Are you jewish too?
[10:07] <bazhang> !ot | madam
[10:08] <madam> That's nice.
[10:08] <gmg85> hi guys
[10:08] <gmg85> voyager distro based on xubuntu has a full screen unity type application finder...where can i download that?
[10:08] <madam> gmg85, do you have a xubuntu support question.
[10:10] <madam> gmg85: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[10:11] <madam> Yeah I am about to install windoze 7 on a vacant partition, on my linux machine....... and to then modify the GRUB boot loader... will lurk here until I get stuck.
[10:17] <madam> I just so hate microsoft......  I just so wish I could run SOME of the apps, without installing it. Anyone good at using virtual machines? I'd rather that than installing win 7 at all. Nothing much installing virtual machines in the software centre or on the net. Any ideas on what they are called, where and how to install them and use them.
[10:19] <bazhang> !vbox > madam
[10:21] <gmg85> fullscreen application finder for xubuntu?
[10:22] <madam>  Ubuttu - can't you find anything better to do with your time, besides sending private messages, to people who do not want to hear from you, or to read your messages?
[10:24] <madam> Come to think of it, I should remind you that the rest of the human race is not here to play social worker for you or your issues. If your hard up for someone to boss around, buy a dog to kick.
[10:24] <knome> madam, stop right now.
[10:30] <elfy> ty bazhang
[10:31] <elfy> gmg85: I've not seen one that's fullscreen - I just use the Alt+F2 one if I need to
[10:32] <gmg85> elfy get voyager 13.04 run it live and click on the application launcher
[10:32] <elfy> why would I want to do that?
[10:32] <gmg85> elfy dont
[10:37] <gmg85> the launcher is called slingshot
[10:42] <elfy> there's a ppa for that apparently, not sure I'd try it
[10:42] <knome> gmg85, voyager isn't supported on this channel
[11:42] <Donnie> Need some help... Can I run a complete xubuntu on my flashdrive, and 'save' what I do on it for use when I need it? Somethings I prefer to do on linux rather than windows
[11:44] <TheSheep> Donnie: yes
[11:44] <lderan> Donnie: this may be of help https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[11:44] <Donnie> Nice. Now can you help me partition my flash drive in half? I have a 16gb and I'm willing to give half for a liux system, and half for whatever I need to port from windows to windows
[11:45] <Donnie> Actually I can probably do it on a live install couldn't I?
[11:45] <Donnie> Cut down the linux how I want it, save it to the flashdrive. install everything I want then use gparted to cut it in half
[11:46] <TheSheep> Donnie: the usb-creator actually just asks you how much of the space you want for your data
[11:47] <TheSheep> Donnie: you just move the slider
[11:47] <Donnie> Wel I'm on windows now. I have unetbootin, I'm gonna find a good, fast, stable 'live' to put on it, then boot into it... Where would I go from there to make it a perm install on just the flash drive
[12:02] <TheSheep> too bad
[12:17] <Starcraftmazter> hi
[12:18] <Starcraftmazter> in additional drivers, what is the difference between fglrx and fglrx-updates
[13:42] <th3pr0ph3t> Hi, I installed xubuntu after a while and I'm amazed! It looks great, it's fast and doesn't look like Ubuntu's lesser brother anymore... all the contrary :O
[13:43] <GridCube> :D
[13:43] <GridCube> eggcellent!
[13:49] <bsk> agreed :D
[13:49] <bsk> and Thunar now has tabs o/ :P
[13:51] <th3pr0ph3t> Thunar in xubuntu copied a defect from nautilus too... the Backspace no longer navigates up in the directory tree (but at leas goes back in history).
[13:57] <bsk> th3pr0ph3t: yes, but I think that Alt + Up is more appropriate for this
[13:58] <th3pr0ph3t> well yes but that's how it works in Windows and people get used to it :/
[13:58] <th3pr0ph3t> anyway, it's no big deal...
[13:59] <bsk> :)
[14:18] <Guest26200> hi all
[14:18] <elfy> !hi
[15:05] <mati75> hello
[15:32] <veebull> hello there
[15:33] <veebull> I was trying to get rid of the second bluetooth icon, and suddenly when I log out xubuntu no longer gives the option to save session
[15:33] <veebull> so now I'm stuck with a series of windows that I *don't* want popping open every time I log back in.
[15:33] <veebull> Any hints as to where I need to look to remedy this?
[15:34] <SonikkuAmericaX> veebull: In xfce4-settings-manager (Settings Manager)...
[15:35] <elfy> you can cleat the saved sessions - setting manager - session and startup = session tab
[15:35] <SonikkuAmericaX> (Thanks elfy, you beat me)
[15:35] <elfy> :)
[15:35] <SonikkuAmericaX> (Except we're not playing a sport that requires cleats [I hope]) :)
[15:40] <veebull> That worked, thanks!
[15:41] <elfy> :)
[16:07] <toast> ok so i have a always on pc that runs xubuntu 13.04 and i have a few laptops that also run the same but i want to have a open way to share all the movies/music on all connected to my network and i've been struglling with samba... anyone got the knowledge to get this to work for me and my fam?
[16:08] <baizon> toast: try owncloud :)
[16:08] <toast> ?
[16:09] <baizon> just a suggestion :)
[16:09] <Myrtti> baizon: a bit over the top one
[16:09] <baizon> i think so :)
[16:09] <Myrtti> toast: which part are you having trouble with?
[16:10] <toast> getting the folder to share/see it from other pc's
[16:11] <toast> i have a 1tb hd dedicated to just movies and have 5 people thand cant see um
[16:11] <Myrtti> xubuntu doesnt have samba installed for a start
[16:11] <Myrtti> nor any other Ubuntu derivatives
[16:11] <toast> i got it installed
[16:12] <Myrtti> so you'd have to install it first. Then Xubuntu doesn't have any graphical user interfaces for sharing, either, so it's mainly editing config files, unless you find some app to do it - but it's not worth it as the config files aren't too difficult to handle in my opinion
[16:13] <Myrtti> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Samba/SambaServerGuide#Samba_Server_Configuration_in_terminal
[16:13] <toast> i got that part but i just dont know how to do the config to make it all work
[16:14] <Myrtti> *squint*
[16:14]  * Myrtti fixes an error
[16:21] <toast> damn it im lost...
[16:21] <Myrtti> well you need to define users (or machines) and groups (or levels of trust) first
[16:21] <Myrtti> who can you trust to do what with which files
[16:23] <toast> only me and 2 other but we have are own pc's so we dont have accounts on each others pc's if that matters
[16:23] <vabik> Hi, i have a problem with my creative Audigy 2 ZS card, sometimes output is ok, and microphone is never working, it's making output not working too, when i only try to record something.
[16:24] <toast> and does everyone have to have samba installed?
[16:24] <toast> or just the main pc?
[16:24] <Myrtti> toast: server no, client yes
[16:25] <Myrtti> I am a bit rusty in this since it's been a good while since I've last done any of this
[16:26] <toast> bahhh i have no idea... i need this done
[16:32] <bsk> toast: I like the system-config-samba package
[16:32] <bsk> it's very simple and powerful :)
[16:34] <toast> so what do i do?
[16:34] <bsk> toast: Settings Manager > Samba
[16:35] <toast> did that
[16:35] <bsk> configure the shared folders and that's it
[16:37] <toast> as soon as i try to open it it says ithat some lines cant be understood 248: 	server role = domain controller  294: 	server role = domain controller
[16:38] <bsk> toast: did you edit some samba configuration file manually?
[16:39] <toast> yeah tried
[16:40] <bsk> I recommend you purge them all and retry: sudo aptitude purge samba system-config-samba && sudo aptitude install system-config-samba
[16:41] <toast> is there a way i can get someone to do like a teamviewer thing and just show me?
[16:43] <bsk> unfortunatelly I have to leave now, sorry :/
[16:45] <toast> that command dont work either btw
[16:49] <toast> anyone???
[16:50] <toast> how do i compleatly remove everything samba and start over?
[17:02] <toast> this is the most annoying thing
[17:03] <toast> now im stuck with the samba file in /ect
[17:24] <toast> anyone use teamviewer that knows what there doing with file sharing?
[17:25] <bekks> toast: They use a closed source method of transferring files.
[17:26] <toast> no i need someone to show me how to get this pc to share my movies/music with the rest of the network
[17:26] <_maddy> hi all
[17:27] <_maddy> I have a problem, I just installed xubuntu 13.04, and it looks like no bootloader (grub) was installed at all...I used the custom install option
[17:27] <_maddy> I have 2 hard disks, with windows on one and linux on one, I can only boot the windows disk
[17:30] <_maddy> so how can I manually install grub?
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> _maddy: Pop your Live image in, boot from it, get Boot Repair [ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair ], update, install Boot Repair and go!
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> (Oops(
[17:36] <SonikkuAmerica> )
[17:41] <toast> I NEED HELP!!! Please help me get this working...
[17:41] <SonikkuAmerica> !help | toast
[17:42] <SonikkuAmerica> toast: Tell us about what kind of setup you have
[17:43] <SonikkuAmerica> !details | that is
[17:44] <toast> im trying to get the main pc to share my movies/music  to my network... all the pc's in my house run xubuntu 13.04 and we all need access
[17:45] <toast> if anyone has teamviewer and could just show me that be great... sorry for my post
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> I have TeamViewer but not Xubuntu.
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> I have Unity.
[17:47] <SonikkuAmerica> But if you gimme a second, I'll pull up my VBox'ed Xubuntu and figure it out for ya.
[17:47] <toast> wouldnt it really be basicly the same sence there both ubuntu ? thx i'll be here
[17:53] <toast> someone told me to do NFSv4 but im lost
[17:56] <Luke__> Hi, just a quick question - do you have any experience with Xubuntu 12.10 (altest updates) and a laptop with docking station with two monitors attached, running core i5 with intel HD 4000 graphics? I just installed it, and it can't be booted in dock without "nomodeset" and if it is, it recognizes only one screen... I really want it to behave like Win 7, which have no trouble with dock and multiple screens at all.
[18:01] <elfy> toast: I can possibly help you with nfs
[18:02] <elfy> just give me a few minutes - half way through some real life stuff
[18:02] <toast> i'll be here
[18:02] <toast> thank you
[18:08] <vabik> Hello, is there any chance to force Audigy 2 ZS to work properly (output and input) on Xubuntu 13.04?
[18:11] <elfy> toast: hi - so I don't use nfsv4 but I do use nfs
[18:12] <elfy> toast: so what have you done so far - where are you reading information from ?
[18:12] <toast> in xubuntu?  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[18:13] <elfy> ok cool - so what have you done from that page so far? or none of it?
[18:14] <toast> just the apt-get install nfs-kernel-server  and  mkdir -p /export/users
[18:14] <elfy> ok
[18:15] <toast> this is where i got to sudo mount --bind /home/users /export/users  mount: special device /home/users does not exist
[18:15] <elfy> I'd rather use the nfs that nfsv4 - I know that works, or at least it works here for me :)
[18:15] <toast> ok so what do i do?
[18:16] <elfy> sudo apt-get install rpcbind nfs-kernel-server
[18:16] <elfy> do that - then we need to know where the music etc that you want to share are
[18:17] <elfy> and we need to know the IP address of your server machine - which I assume is yours
[18:17] <toast> sudo apt-get install rpcbind nfs-kernel-server
[18:17] <toast> Reading package lists... Done
[18:17] <toast> Building dependency tree
[18:17] <toast> Reading state information... Done
[18:17] <toast> nfs-kernel-server is already the newest version.
[18:17] <toast> rpcbind is already the newest version.
[18:17] <toast> rpcbind set to manually installed.
[18:17] <toast> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[18:17] <elfy> gah
[18:17] <elfy> please don't do that :)
[18:18] <elfy> toast: if you want to share a bunch of lines use paste.ubuntu.com
[18:18] <toast> sorry what would you have me do?
[18:18] <elfy> toast: ok you got a terminal open?
[18:18] <toast> yuppers
[18:19] <elfy> ifconfig
[18:19] <elfy> make a note of the inet addr you see in the second line
[18:20] <elfy> toast: ok - now we need to know what folders it is you want to share - where abouts are they ?
[18:21] <elfy> if you have no idea where then tell me
[18:21] <toast> its a 2 hd's... uder devices?
[18:22] <elfy> you got thunar open - click on one of them - then tell me what path it says for them at the top :)
[18:23] <toast> hold on
[18:24] <toast> it wont let me paste it
[18:24] <elfy> type it :)
[18:25] <elfy> won't let you paste from thunar to here?
[18:25] <elfy> toast: actually are these devices both mounted?
[18:26] <toast> it wont come up here i can copy and paste it but it wont come up here when i hit enter
[18:26] <toast> yeah
[18:26] <elfy> type it then
[18:26] <elfy> nvm
[18:26] <toast> tried and still
[18:27] <toast> media toast movies
[18:27] <elfy> /media/toast/movies?
[18:27] <elfy> if that's what you're trying to do you need an extra leading / :)
[18:28] <toast> yeah with a cap Movies
[18:28] <elfy> ok - music?
[18:28] <elfy> and in linux capitals are important - movies and Movies are 2 completely different things
[18:28] <toast> that be the same place but with Stuff
[18:29] <elfy> we need to know the paths to both folders - or you do :)
[18:29] <elfy> do these both get mounted when you boot?
[18:29] <toast> not auto
[18:30] <toast> but the machine never gets turned off so
[18:30] <elfy> ok - as far as I know we need to have them automounted so that nfs can see them
[18:30] <toast> ok
[18:30] <elfy> are they both linux drives or have you moved to xubuntu from windows and they are both ntfs
[18:31] <toast> they're fat 32
[18:34] <toast> both 500gb drives and bout full
[18:34] <tumble> hello guys, can anyone tell me how long a bug like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1172018 needs to get fixed? is it about days, weeks or rather months?
[18:34] <elfy> toast can you run these 2 commands from a terminal please
[18:34] <tumble> I'm asking because it renders my whole system unusable
[18:35] <toast> yup no prob
[18:35] <elfy> toast: sudo blkid | pastebinit and mount | pastebinit
[18:35] <elfy> toast: you'll get 2 urls - give them to me please
[18:36] <Unit193> toast: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1104435 has it marked as fixed in saucy, so I'd think it'd be SRU'd to raring.
[18:36] <Unit193> tumble: Sorry, that was for you.
[18:37] <tumble> SRU'd, I guess that's good? :D
[18:38] <Unit193> !sru
[18:38] <Unit193> Yep./
[18:38] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687868/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687872/
[18:38] <elfy> ok
[18:38] <elfy> 2 secs
[18:38] <tumble> thank you very much for the info then ;)
[18:39] <Unit193> tumble: You'll see the upstream bug report, and that it has a patch attached.  Anyway, you may be able to request a SRU, don't remember how those work.
[18:40] <elfy> toast please do this sudo cp /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.2105
[18:40] <elfy> do it exactly like that please
[18:42] <toast> done
[18:42] <elfy> ok - gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[18:43] <elfy> at this point please be very careful
[18:43] <elfy> go to the last line and enter a couple of times to get away from the system mounts
[18:44] <toast> ok
[18:45] <elfy> toast - copy this UUID=3556-1D0A /media/toast/Movies vfat defaults,user,dmask=027,fmask=137 0 0
[18:45] <tumble> Unit193: would it make a difference for me if I would use ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10 ? Does it already contain this fix?
[18:46] <elfy> toast - no - sorry - edit the UUID to UUID=4232-8181
[18:46] <Unit193> tumble: Not as far as I know.
[18:47] <elfy> toast: then UUID=3556-1D0A /media/toast/Stuff
[18:47] <tumble> looks like I should try to build xfce from their git repositories then
[18:47] <tumble> should work following http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/building right?
[18:47] <elfy> toast - long day  UUID=3556-1D0A /media/toast/Stuff vfat defaults,user,dmask=027,fmask=137 0 0
[18:48] <elfy> once you've done those - cat /etc/fstab | pastebinit and give us the url
[18:48] <Unit193> tumble: Could setup pbuilder and build from saucy, it's not much different right now.
[18:48] <Unit193> tumble: Can't wait for an update?
[18:48] <tumble> oh well, if you think it could happen within a week or so, I can wait. I'm just waiting for a bit already, hoping that something happens :D
[18:50] <Unit193> 32bit or 64?
[18:51] <tumble> 64
[18:53] <elfy> toast: how you doing?
[18:54] <toast> hold on dog messing with me
[18:54] <vabik> hi, sorry for repeating it :D But i have a problem with Creative audigy 2 ZS input.
[18:54] <elfy> lol
[18:55] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687931/
[18:55] <Unit193> tumble: As long as you're going to go off and compile something, try a package here in a few minutes, if it doesn't work, just purge and go on to the next option.
[18:56] <tumble> ok
[18:56] <toast> i forgot the space in the 0's
[18:57] <elfy> open it up and put the space in there please - save again
[18:57] <toast> already done
[18:57] <elfy> k
[18:58] <elfy> you're going to have to create mountpoints now - but your drives are already there at the moment, so if you're watching a film or listening to music you'll have to stop for the moment
[18:58] <toast> i'm all in this so go ahead lol
[18:59] <elfy> sudo umount /dev/sc1 /dev/sdb1 && sudo mount -a
[18:59] <elfy> sigh
[18:59] <elfy> that will fail
[18:59] <toast> not good
[18:59] <elfy> sudo umount /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdb1
[19:00] <elfy> sudo mkdir /media/toast/Movies /media/toast/Stuff && sudo mount -a
[19:00] <elfy> should all work - then you should have the drives back and mounted
[19:01] <elfy> if at any point there's an error it should get echoed into the terminal
[19:02] <toast> looking good
[19:02] <elfy> all done?
[19:03] <toast> yeah but if i try to open Movies i get permission denied
[19:04] <toast> or Stuff
[19:04] <elfy> I hate windows file systems
[19:05] <toast> join the club
[19:06] <Unit193> tumble: It's not an official package, but it's just the saucy one built for raring.  http://vanir.unit193.tk/raring/xfce4-session_4.10.0-2ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[19:06] <elfy> toast - open fstab again   sudo mousepad /etc/fstab
[19:07] <tumble> thank you, I will give it a try
[19:08] <toast> done
[19:08] <tumble> I guess it takes a full reboot to take effect, doesn't it?
[19:08] <elfy> toast change the ends of both the 2 new lines to defaults,user,exec,uid=1000,gid=100,umask=000 0 0
[19:08] <Unit193> tumble: Would need to log out and back in, to cycle out xfce4-session.
[19:09] <tumble> okay, brb
[19:09] <elfy> save and close then sudo umount /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdb1 && sudo mount -a and check again in thunar
[19:09] <elfy> toast: ^^
[19:11] <Unit193> tumble: yey or nay?
[19:11] <tumble> yey so far, trying to break it :D
[19:11] <tumble> was relatively easy to reproduce actually, it happened almost everytime I started some application from either the application menu or the dock
[19:12] <tumble> so far it works^^
[19:12] <toast> done take a look pleas to make sure   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5687986/
[19:12] <Unit193> Great, hopefully the SRU will come in soon too.
[19:12] <tumble> so what you did was checking out their git repo and compiling it right?
[19:13] <elfy> toast they look ok - but at this point I'm just reading things - long long time since I needed to mount windows filesystems
[19:13] <elfy> toast: save and close then sudo umount /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdb1 && sudo mount -a and check again in thunar
[19:14] <Unit193> tumble: No, I rebuilt the saucy package (only change was fixing that bug) and rebuilt in a raring chroot.
[19:14] <toast> beautiful it works
[19:15] <tumble> uhm, what do I need to google for to read a bit about it?^^
[19:15] <elfy> toast: k so now we can get on with the nfs bit
[19:15] <tumble> building packages and stuff
[19:15] <Unit193> !pbuilder
[19:15] <toast> yay!!! lol
[19:15] <tumble> okay nice, thanks again
[19:15] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[19:16] <elfy> toast: you made a note of the inetaddr from ifconfig?
[19:16] <toast> yuppers
[19:16] <elfy> sudo mousepad /etc/exports
[19:16] <toast> just the first one rish on the 2nd line?
[19:17] <elfy> yep - what is it
[19:17] <Unit193> tumble: There's also the Debian package documentation to read, fun stuff.
[19:17] <toast> 192.168.0.6
[19:17] <elfy> ok - got the exports file open?
[19:18] <tumble> yet a young padawan I am, a lot to learn about Linux I have :s
[19:18] <elfy> toast - go to the bottom again - new line then
[19:18] <toast> done
[19:19] <elfy> toast: /media/toast/Movies 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[19:19] <elfy> then do the same again but use /media/toast/Stuff instead
[19:22] <toast> done
[19:22] <elfy> save and close
[19:23] <elfy> sudo exportfs -ra
[19:23] <elfy> then sudo exportfs  and you should see the two shares
[19:24] <elfy> sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart
[19:24] <toast> ok
[19:25] <elfy> all done - no errors?
[19:26] <toast> no hoast name?
[19:26] <toast> host*
[19:26] <elfy> sudo exportfs |pastebinit
[19:27] <elfy> brb need tea
[19:28] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688059/
[19:30] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688077/
[19:31] <elfy> toast: cat /etc/exports | pastebinit
[19:33] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688086/
[19:35] <elfy> odd - neveer seen that before, the only thing I can think of is did you completely undo your samab efforts?
[19:36] <toast> i believe i did is there anyway to remove all traces of samba even in the /etc?
[19:36] <elfy> not sure never used it
[19:36] <toast> i did the apt-get remove
[19:37] <elfy> cat /etc/samba/smb.conf |pastebinit
[19:38] <Unit193> dpkg -l | grep samba  see if there's any rc there too.
[19:38] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688106/
[19:39] <elfy> Unit193: there's a bunch of stuff at the bottom of toast smb.conf - which can be removed please
[19:40] <Unit193> elfy: Everything past postexec
[19:40] <toast> lost...
[19:41] <elfy> toast: sudo mousepad /etc/samba/smb.conf
[19:41] <elfy> right at the very bottom - delete everything after the postexec line - that is all the stuff that looks like your paths
[19:41] <elfy> save and close
[19:42] <elfy> Unit193: ta :)
[19:42] <toast> done
[19:42] <Unit193> Sure.
[19:42] <elfy> toast: sudo exportfs -ra
[19:43] <elfy> sudo exportfs
[19:43] <elfy> do you now just get 2 lines?
[19:44] <toast> done and i get 2 with the ip's and 2 with world
[19:44] <elfy> ok - no idea what that's about - maybe there's a samba service needs to be stopped and started again ... Unit193 ?
[19:45] <Unit193> elfy: Yes, but he also has [homes] shared.
[19:45] <elfy> can you explain how to unshare it then :)
[19:46] <elfy> Unit193: ^^
[19:47] <elfy> Unit193: nvm - think I got it
[19:47] <toast> also can i add to the files from anothe pc?
[19:47] <Unit193> Comment out lines 249-251, and not sure about the two before, I don't hav 'em.
[19:47] <elfy> open that smb.conf file again toast and put # at the beginning of ^^
[19:49] <elfy> toast: lets get this machine of yours sharing first
[19:50] <toast> done
[19:50] <elfy> try the sudo exportfs -ra and sudo exportfs again
[19:51] <bekks> exportfs will not work for samba, but for nfs only.
[19:51] <bekks> restart samba or reload its config.
[19:51] <elfy> I thought as much bekks
[19:51] <Unit193> sudo service smbd restart
[19:52] <toast> yeah its the same elfy
[19:52] <elfy> oh hang on
[19:53] <elfy> do ls /export/users
[19:53] <toast> smbd: unrecognized service
[19:53] <elfy> ^^
[19:54] <elfy> that's a lower case L not a 1
[19:54] <toast> done
[19:54] <elfy> does it show anything ?
[19:54] <toast> nope
[19:56] <elfy> you did this before I started helping you mkdir -p /export/users and had issues with the mount --bind is that right?
[19:56] <toast> yeah
[19:57] <elfy> bekks: you got any idea? toast and I have mounted with fstab, got the exports in /etc/exports and they work but he was doing ^^ and got stuck earlier
[19:58] <bekks> MAybe some typo in the config.
[19:59] <elfy> the nfs one? that looks good to me - I'm not undertsanding where the extra two shares are coming from here http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688059/
[20:01] <elfy> toast: try this sudo rm -r /export/
[20:01] <elfy> then do the exportfs -ra things again
[20:03] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688175/
[20:05] <elfy> toast: can you do cat /etc/exportfs |pastebinit again
[20:06] <elfy> I'm completely lost now - they were there a short while ago
[20:07] <toast> cat: /etc/exportfs: No such file or directory
[20:08] <elfy> sorry exports
[20:10] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688192/ didnt even see that
[20:11] <elfy> toast: you've got a space between 255.255.255.0 (rw - remove the space from both lines
[20:12] <elfy> gksudo mousepad /etc/exports
[20:13] <elfy> bekks: that sort of typo perhaps
[20:13] <toast> habit to space lol
[20:13] <toast> its done
[20:17] <elfy> sudo exportfs -ra && sudo exportfs
[20:18] <toast> yay!!! just 2
[20:19] <elfy> 2 - you should have 10 ... :p
[20:19] <toast> ?
[20:19] <elfy> joking - because I need it :)
[20:19] <toast> ok then we both do i was lie wtf? lol
[20:20] <elfy> :)
[20:20] <elfy> right so that's almost there now - you need to work on each of the machines you want to share to now
[20:21] <toast> on in front of me
[20:22] <elfy> ok - sudo apt-get install rpcbind nfs-common
[20:23] <toast> done
[20:23] <elfy> forgotten a step :|
[20:23] <toast> damn
[20:24] <elfy> go back to the machine your sharing from please
[20:24] <toast> still there
[20:24] <elfy> gksudo mousepad /etc/hosts.deny
[20:24] <elfy> add this line - as it is  here rpcbind mountd nfsd statd lockd rquotad : ALL
[20:25] <elfy> save close
[20:25] <elfy> gksudo mousepad /etc/hosts.allow
[20:26] <elfy> add this line - as it is here rpcbind mountd nfsd statd lockd rquotad :  192.168.0.6
[20:26] <elfy> save close
[20:27] <elfy> sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart
[20:28] <toast> done
[20:28] <vabik> hi, i deleted pavucontroland now i've reinstalled it, is there any way to bring back its icon in panel tray?
[20:29] <elfy> toast: copy what you just did with the hosts.deny and hosts.allow files on the client machine
[20:29] <elfy> oh - please ignore that
[20:30] <brainwash> vabik: simply install indicator-sound-gtk2
[20:30] <toast> now just to make sure http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688259/
[20:30] <elfy> edit the files but in hosts.deny put rpcbind : ALL and in hosts.allow put rpcbind : 192.168.0.6
[20:31] <elfy> toast: is that the server deny file?
[20:31] <toast> n/m i see my wrong now
[20:31] <toast> yeah
[20:31] <elfy> I'm not helping - I've been up since about 5am and its 10pm :)
[20:31] <elfy> then that looks ok
[20:32] <vabik> brainwash: thank you very much :)
[20:32] <elfy> I thought you'd done them both and were back at client
[20:32] <toast> well you did lockd not locked
[20:32] <elfy> oh
[20:32] <elfy> are you not copy pasting?
[20:33] <toast> cant from xchat from what it seems
[20:33] <bekks> Why dont you just start using NFSv4 instead of messing around with these dinosaurs of hosts.allow and hosts.deny?
[20:34] <elfy> bekks: if you'd been here when we started you could have :)
[20:34] <elfy> I use what works for me :)
[20:35] <toast> im lost with the deny thing
[20:35] <elfy> rpcbind mountd nfsd statd lockd rquotad : ALL
[20:35] <toast> what was i supossed to add?
[20:35] <elfy> that ^^
[20:36] <toast> i got that so now what?
[20:36] <elfy> save it
[20:36] <elfy> then do hosts.allow and add
[20:36] <elfy> rpcbind mountd nfsd statd lockd rquotad :  192.168.0.6
[20:36] <bekks> Or forget both files and set the nfs share to be shared with that IP only.
[20:37] <elfy> bekks: if you can take over then do so - I'm tired out
[20:37] <bekks> Instead of * in /etc/exports just issue the IP.
[20:37] <bekks> Done :)
[20:37] <toast> ?
[20:38] <bekks> Please show me one line from your /etc/exports
[20:38] <elfy> toast: follow bekks
[20:39] <toast> /media/toast/Movies 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0 (rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[20:39] <toast> ok elfy thanks a bunch and get some rest
[20:39] <bekks> And the only IP allowed to access that share is 192.168.0.6 ?
[20:40] <toast> thats the ip of the pc that has the movies i want 2 other pc's to be able to access it and add files
[20:41] <bekks> And both other hosts have static IPs?
[20:42] <toast> 1 host, 2 clients and no
[20:42] <bekks> Then try to explain why you mess with hosts.allow and hosts.deny?
[20:42] <toast> i dont know what im doing i just want it to work thats why i ask
[20:43] <elfy> bekks: toast doesn't have an idea - and I justuse what works for me
[20:43] <bekks> ah :)
[20:43] <bekks> So basically you should drop hosts.allow and hosts.deny
[20:43] <toast> ok then how?
[20:43] <elfy> and it'd be pointless me using a single Ip here as they change :)
[20:44] <bekks> toast: By removing their content.
[20:44] <toast> yet again how
[20:44] <bekks> By opening an editor and deleting the content.
[20:45] <toast> step by step man its all new
[20:46] <bekks> You have been using an editor all the time - dont you remember that you just edited files on and on?
[20:46] <toast> yeah but the names of stuff i mean
[20:47] <toast> so im here in mousepad /etc/hosts.deny
[20:48] <bekks> So delete the content and save it.
[20:48] <toast> ok done
[20:49] <bekks> On to the next file then :)
[20:49] <toast> which would be?
[20:49] <bekks>  /etc/hosts.allow
[20:50] <toast> wasnt anything thare anyway
[20:50] <toast> there*
[20:51] <micom> hello, funny it looks like i lost my themes
[20:51] <micom> i do not see icons, menu bar is gray
[20:51] <micom> moreover i cannot change it to other style
[20:52] <micom> do you have any ideas?
[20:52] <micom> xubuntu 13.04 fresh installation, only updates
[20:52] <toast> so now what?
[20:53] <bekks> toast: Restart the NFS server.
[20:53] <toast> done
[20:54] <bekks> Now you should be able to mount your shares from you other clients.
[20:54] <toast>  dont we have to set them up?
[20:54] <bekks> No?
[20:54] <bekks> Its jus one command to be issued on them.
[20:55] <toast> ok so how would i do it then
[20:55] <Unit193> micom: And you're saying that going to Appearance and resetting the theme does not work?
[20:55] <micom> Unit193, exactly, when i change it to other in appearance there is no effect
[20:55] <bekks> toast: mkdir /tmp/test; mount -t nfs root@ipofyourhost:/your/share/name /tmp/test
[20:56] <bekks> toast: Wrong
[20:56] <micom> Unit193, there is even no icons in folders
[20:56] <micom> only white space and text
[20:56] <bekks> toast: mkdir /tmp/test; sudo mount -t nfs ipofyourhost:/your/share/name /tmp/test
[20:56] <Unit193> micom: Tried moving .config to .config-backup and relogging in?
[20:57] <micom> ok Unit193 will try it in next few minutes, gotta save all my open pr0n sites
[20:57] <toast> /your/share/name?
[20:58] <toast> and this is done on the cliant pc's right?
[20:58] <micom> Unit193, it looks like there is no .config in my home directory
[20:59] <Unit193> micom: Random thought, your home is owned by your user, right?  Do you have the same issue if you create another user?
[21:00] <micom> Unit193, do know...will check it
[21:00] <bekks> toast: You have defined the shares in the host's /etc/export
[21:01] <toast> i believe so idk
[21:01] <bekks> toast: use one of them to replace /your/share/name when running the command above on the client.
[21:03] <toast> ok but i have 2  things i want to share
[21:03] <bekks> Is the second thing already defined in the host's /etc/exports ?
[21:05] <toast> yeah
[21:05] <bekks> Then just mount it as the first thing.
[21:06] <toast> confused
[21:06] <micom> Unit193, something is wrong, new user works properly, so i have copied .config to new user, but it still does not works
[21:06] <bekks> mkdir /tmp/test2; sudo mount -t nfs ipofyourhost:/your/second/share /tmp/test2
[21:09] <toast> it says it cant mkdir "/tmp/test" file exists
[21:09] <bekks> I said something different.
[21:11] <toast> /media/toast/Movies and the second is /media/toast/Stuff
[21:11] <bekks> 0521 230637 < bekks> mkdir /tmp/test2; sudo mount -t nfs ipofyourhost:/your/second/share /tmp/test2
[21:12] <toast> it also says that access denied by server
[21:13] <bekks> Then whats the line for the second share from your host's /etc/exports ?
[21:13] <toast> /media/toast/Stuff 192.168.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[21:13] <bekks> Syntax error. Missing space in front of (
[21:14] <bekks> Fix it, and restart the nfs server.
[21:18] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688387 this is what i get on the client pc
[21:18] <bekks> 0521 231139 < bekks> 0521 230637 < bekks> mkdir /tmp/test2; sudo mount -t nfs ipofyourhost:/your/second/share /tmp/test2
[21:18] <bekks> mkdir /tmp/test2 -- which is not mkdir /tmp/test
[21:19] <bekks> And replace /media/toast/Movies with /media/toast/Stuff
[21:19] <bekks> You already mounted /media/toast/Movies to /tmp/test
[21:19] <bekks> Now, you want to mount /media/toast/Stuff to /tmp/test2
[21:20] <toast> ok access still denied by server
[21:21] <bekks> So whats the very exact command you are typing?
[21:22] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688409
[21:23] <bekks> then show the very exact line of your host's /etc/export, in a pastebin please.
[21:24] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688417/
[21:24] <bekks> And you did restart the nfs server?
[21:25] <toast> sudo service nfs-kernel-server restart right?
[21:25] <bekks> Yes
[21:27] <toast> this is what i get now http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688421/
[21:28] <bekks> Then you didnt show me you current /etc/exports from your host.
[21:29] <toast> but i did and here it is again ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688433/
[21:30] <bekks> Ok. Well, I think I'd told you something wrong. Delete the space character before ( and restart the nfs server again.
[21:30] <toast> thats what i thought and you said it was a syntax error
[21:31] <bekks> I think I was wrong with that.
[21:31] <toast> restarted and no bs
[21:32] <bekks> :)
[21:32] <bekks> So you should be able to mount that second share from your client.
[21:33] <toast> acess denied by server while mounting 192.168.0.6
[21:34] <bekks> Then pastebin the output of ls -lha /media/toast/ please
[21:35] <toast> client or host
[21:35] <bekks> host
[21:36] <toast> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688464/
[21:37] <bekks> sudo chmod 755 /media
[21:37] <bekks> on the host
[21:37] <bekks> restart the nfs server
[21:37] <bekks> try mounting from the client again
[21:39] <toast> still the same
[21:39] <bekks> Well, you have some weird permissions on /media on your host, you are using ACL.
[21:39] <toast> idk
[21:40] <bekks> Notice that little "+" in your last paste.
[21:40] <bekks> d'ooh.
[21:40] <bekks> sudo chmod 755 /media/toast
[21:40] <bekks> restart nfs server and try mounting again.
[21:42] <toast> ok it seems as if it mounted but how do i check
[21:42] <bekks> df -h
[21:42] <bekks> mount
[21:42] <toast> on client?
[21:42] <bekks> yes
[21:43] <toast> duh...
[21:44] <toast> what am i looking for now with that
[21:46] <bekks> You tried to setup two nfs shares for being mounted from differentclients. Congratulations, you just did succeed :)
[21:46] <toast> or rather how do i access the files now
[21:47] <bekks> Go into /tmp/test or /tmp/test2 and do what you like with them,
[21:47] <bekks> If you want to automatically mount these shares, please see the wiki article for mount and for the fstab
[21:48] <toast> word i just figured it out  lol
[21:48] <bekks> :)
[21:48] <toast> and i believe i have them to be auto mouted how do i check
[21:49] <bekks> Check the /etc/fstab on the client.
[21:49] <peyam> hi
[21:49] <peyam> what is the best light weight latex editor?
[21:50] <knome> !best | peyam
[21:50] <peyam> leightweight
[21:51] <toast> is this right? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5688503/
[21:51] <knome> nano? :P
[21:51] <bekks> toast: No. NFS does not know anything about UUID, and it isnt VFAT, it is nfs. That /etc/fstab will not work for a client.
[21:52] <SonikkuAmerica> knome: <3 nano
[21:52] <bekks> toast: Dont touch the /etc/fstab from the host. :)
[21:52] <toast> ok so what do i put in the client?
[21:53] <bekks> toast: Please refer to the wiki articles for mount and the fstab.
[21:53] <bekks> toast: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo#Mount_at_startup  -- read up to the section "static mounts".
[21:54] <SonikkuAmerica> knome: By the way: Is there/has there been an Ubuntu OpenWeek where anyone talked about Xubuntu's plans going forward?
[21:54] <knome> SonikkuAmerica, nope.
[21:55] <SonikkuAmerica> Glad I didn't miss anything then... :) phillw of Lubuntu Testing got caught off guard yesterday about having to go today.
[21:55] <knome> yeah. i don't think we have the capacity at the moment
[21:59] <toast> this is confusing me
[22:13] <bass_goon> I'm starting to think that EFI booting isn't quite ready for primtime...
[22:13] <Unit193> !uefi | Not as easy as BIOS, but doable.
[22:14] <bass_goon> well, I'm installing to a USB drive, and...it doesn't seem to move well between different EFI capable machines
[22:18] <toast> i cant figure out how to get my client machines to auto mount nfs
[22:19] <bekks> toast: Follow "Setting Up the NFS Client" here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-set-up-an-nfs-mount-on-ubuntu-12-04
[22:20] <bekks> toast: All you need to follow there is on how to edit your fstab
[22:23] <toast> all i gotta add in the fstab is the lines i mad in the host right and it will auto connect?
[22:23] <bekks> No.
[22:23] <bekks> You have to add different lines.
[22:23] <bekks> Examples are shown in the links I posted.
[22:26] <toast> man.... under the setting up the nfs client in the last link you gave me is where i should find my answer right?
[22:26] <bekks> Yes.
[22:26] <bekks> And a wonderful example, too.
[22:27] <toast> im just confused where do i put my info to the host?
[22:27] <bekks> You dont touch your host.
[22:28] <bekks> You want to mount your shares on your clients.
[22:28] <bekks> Thats where you have to edit the fstab for automounting your shares.
[22:29] <toast> ok so where do i get my client info i am to use?
[22:29] <bekks> The client info is called /etc/fstab
[22:30] <bekks> There you have to add a line similar to the example from the link above to mount your share automatically.
[22:30] <bekks> Thats described in the link. :)
[22:31] <toast> ok this is where i am in the steps in the link... mount them... dont i use my ip?
[22:31] <bekks> The ip of the host where the shares are, yes.
[22:35] <toast> wtf! i typed sudo mount 192.168.0.6:/home/mnt/nfs/home and i get access denied by server
[22:35] <bekks> Because thats not your share...
[22:36] <bekks> You shares are named differently.
[22:36] <bekks>  /media/toast/Movies ... and /media/toast/Stuff
[22:38] <toast> ahhh ok i see
[22:42] <dez> ...hiya, anyone here?
[22:44] <pleia2> !hi
[22:44] <dez> hi!
[22:45] <dez> i feel rude sauntering in and asking, no, pleading for help, but i was just hoping that someone might have a smart answer for a problem which has just come out of nowhere. what do you reckon?
[22:47] <dez> i know nobody's really chatting, but it's kinda cool to be back on IRC again, after, like..... 14 years?
[22:48] <toast> lol
[22:48] <dez> mad. gone are the days of black backgrounds and neon colours and "choose your own annoying font" huh?
[22:48] <bekks> dez: Well, then just tell us some more details.
[22:48] <dez> thanks bekks
[22:48] <dez> right, so, the only thing that i can thing of that changed was an update to the truetype fonts (2 packages) this aftrernoon.
[22:49] <dez> rebooted tonight, and my PC's in "mega basic mode", i.e.:
[22:49] <dez> BeOS looking graphics
[22:49] <dez> no option to change...anything, on the settings
[22:49] <dez> screen res is wider than the monitor so the top right icons (inc error logs etc) are missing.
[22:50] <dez> i can shut down by scrolling off into the distance and left clicking, since the dialog box pops up on the screen, semi-oddly
[22:51] <dez> instead of the pop-under icons menu being central, it's on tthe left. and the icon set is different, i think. certainly it's got gnoosic which i didn't even know i had.
[22:51] <dez> it's not on the internet tho i'm still connected to the ethernet cable as normal
[22:51] <dez> rebooting doesn't cange anything.
[22:51] <dez> um, what else....
[22:51] <dez> can sleect different desktop resolutions but it doesn't change anything
[22:52] <dez> successfully ran software updater, which updated the kernel, but no improvement
[22:52] <dez> i'm on 12...04?
[22:52] <dez> and have the option of updating.
[22:52] <dez> so i guess the fallback thing to try is to run the update
[22:52] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: [ lsb_release -a ] will tell you what you're on.
[22:53] <dez> 12.10
[22:53] <dez> nice command!
[22:54] <dez> so, re: fallback option of updating to 13: as a side question, am i right in thinking it can't be updated in place, it needs a liveUSB, or can i just hit update and it'll run?
[22:54] <SonikkuAmerica> So... Xubuntu 12.10, and your machine is doing weird things.
[22:54] <dez> (i'd still prefer to just fix this, btw)
[22:54] <dez> haha, yes, in brief!
[22:55] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: To get to 13.04, (a) run [ do-release-upgrade ] in a terminal, (b) use a live image of the next release (select "Upgrade to Xubuntu $VERSION"), or (c) use the graphical updater (not recommended).
[22:55] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: But anyway, 12.10 is still supported, so I'll try and see what I can do
[22:55] <dez> thanks!
[22:56] <SonikkuAmerica> (I prefer option A myself)
[22:56] <dez> likewise!
[22:56] <SonikkuAmerica> So first, let's address the screen resolution problem:
[22:56] <dez> it just seems like a weird one - was running perfectly and suddly gone really od.
[22:56] <dez> yep
[22:57] <SonikkuAmerica> So the icons on the bottom panel are off to the left?
[22:57] <dez> bottom right hand corner, instead of bottom central
[22:57] <dez> large icons, slightly
[22:57] <dez> on a basic grey overlay
[22:58] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. (Yeah, I'm familiar with that setup.) Right-click the panel, point to "Panel >" and click "Panel Prefs..."
[22:58] <dez> yup
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> In that combo box up top, pick the bottom panel (you'll know which is selected by means of a red dashed box)
[22:59] <SonikkuAmerica> When the correct panel is selected, click the "Items" tab
[23:00] <dez> yup
[23:00] <SonikkuAmerica> And check to see if you have a separator in both the top and the bottom of the list.
[23:00] <dez> i do
[23:01] <SonikkuAmerica> If you do, select the separator on the bottom and click the gear button (Settings)
[23:01] <SonikkuAmerica> A window should pop up. Is the "Expand" check box checked? If not, check it, and it's fixed.
[23:02] <dez> no obvious gear button, you want me to hit the wrench  /spanner icon for edit?
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> No...
[23:02] <dez> yep
[23:02] <dez> expand is checked
[23:02] <dez> we're talking aobut hte same thing i think
[23:02] <SonikkuAmerica> I think so too. Then check the options for the other separator list item in the same wise.
[23:02] <dez> tbh tho, i can't help thinking that the bottom panel change is only a part
[23:03] <dez> (top also expand checked)
[23:03] <dez> a part of a larger sweeping change which has afffected:
[23:03] <SonikkuAmerica> OK. So we know that (a common mistake) is not the problem.
[23:03] <dez> the screen size
[23:03] <dez> the bottoom panel layour
[23:03] <dez> layout
[23:03] <dez> the appearange
[23:03] <dez> the inability to change settings
[23:03] <dez> internet being down
[23:03] <dez> etc
[23:03] <SonikkuAmerica> What screen resolution do you normally use?
[23:04] <dez> honestly not sure
[23:04] <dez> it's on the highest possible one currently but i can't change it: normally on xubuntu/ubuntu when you select another option it applies it. now: no. and since there's not forcible "apply" button, i can't change most settings....
[23:04] <SonikkuAmerica> Open a terminal...
[23:04] <dez> unless i terminal them, potentially
[23:05] <dez> yup
[23:05] <SonikkuAmerica> ...and type [ xrandr -s $WIDTHx$HEIGHT ]
[23:05] <SonikkuAmerica> where $WIDTH is the screen width and $HEIGHT is the height.
[23:07] <SonikkuAmerica> It's altogether possible that a graphics update conked one of your resolutions out (esp. if it was 16:9) so you may have to either (a) upgrade to 13.04 or (b) use a lower screen res (in this case)
[23:07] <SonikkuAmerica> Just to be comical, start with 640x480 and work your way up
[23:08] <dez> given how many things are suddenly bugggered up, how drastic a
[23:08] <dez> inbore that
[23:08] <dez> right, i removed the dollars and it worked.
[23:08] <dez> thanks fo the 640 by 480 idea, hahahaha
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> You didn't need the $, that was just to name a variable by reference.
[23:09] <dez> lets try something that isn't designed for my grandpa, or someone looking at it through a telescope... :)
[23:09] <SonikkuAmerica> lol
[23:09] <dez> right, groovy, 1280x1024 loks normal enough to see the whole screen
[23:10] <SonikkuAmerica> A wide screen should at least use 1440x900, if you have one.
[23:10] <dez> crash report detected ( i can see icons now)
[23:10] <dez> gvfsd-http closed unexpecredly
[23:11] <SonikkuAmerica> I CAN SEE ICONS NOW... oh, crap, going !ot here, lol
[23:11] <dez> might explain why firefox wasnt' working but synaptic was
[23:11] <dez> nerd version of the sixth sense "I SEE DEAD.... ICONS!"
[23:12] <SonikkuAmerica> So OK... can you see the right half of the desktop now?
[23:12] <dez> YUPO
[23:12] <dez> i mean, yup
[23:12] <dez> caps typo
[23:13] <SonikkuAmerica> Now, the next thing to do is see if the gvfsd-http problem replicates itself.
[23:13] <dez> okey dokey
[23:14] <SonikkuAmerica> A reboot and a start of Firefox will do this for you.
[23:14] <dez> before we do that, one thing:
[23:14] <dez> i can now see the display settings dialogue box
[23:14] <dez> which has - as it did before - 2 options
[23:14] <dez> both say digital display
[23:14] <dez> top one has the res i put in
[23:14] <SonikkuAmerica> OK...
[23:14] <dez> bottom one has nothing
[23:15] <amanda_> can anyone help me get my pc to see nfs shared folders
[23:15] <dez> potentially meaningless but i just wonder if it might be connected to this wide ranging largely-appearance-based problem...
[23:15] <dez> but lets try the reboot first
[23:15] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: That one on top being the selected one, I see no reason why it needs changing.
[23:16] <dez> seems to work, so. i just tohught i'd say.
[23:16] <dez> i'll reboot and let's see
[23:16] <amanda_> my friend toast got info here and had to goto work
[23:16] <dez> nfs or ntfs?
[23:17] <amanda_> nfs
[23:17] <SonikkuAmerica> !nfs
[23:17] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Well there's that to start with, at least...
[23:18] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: [ sudo apt-get install nfs-kernel-server ] is the first thing you'll want to do, if you don't have it already.
[23:19] <amanda_> i have no idea what im doing  and he wont be back for a few days
[23:19] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: First, run the command I mentioned in terminal.
[23:21] <amanda_> ok done
[23:22] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: I assume we're using your machine (the host) as a client so it can see other machines ("guests")
[23:22] <amanda_> i guess the host is done and my pc is a client but i dont see it
[23:22] <dez> sonikku, sorry to dual-core you. rebooting a couple of times found that: 1: rebooting worked, kinda. it's still at the poor but workable res we chose but i can see all icons AND the icon set is back to normal rather than being BeOS style basic or missing application icons. 2: setting the previous res drags the screen too wide (wsa fine bfore) but also changes the appearance set to a basic grey box look, with the BeOS ico
[23:22] <dez> ns again. sorry i can't screenshot easily.
[23:23] <dez> firefox is working again tho
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: Hmm... guess that screen res is being a pain... graphics card info plz?
[23:23] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: You'd be right, so let me move down to those instructions
[23:24] <dez> nvidia ge_force xfx um....
[23:24] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: We also need the nfs-common package, so go ahead and install that too.
[23:25] <dez> actually the graphics card precipitated a problem with ubuntu which led to me changing to xubuntu, so....!
[23:25] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: Are you using the NVIDIA prop drivers or no?\
[23:25] <amanda_> that was done
[23:25] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Good.
[23:26] <dez> can you remember where i check that? i'm looking in the wrong place currently
[23:27] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: Apps menu > Settings > Additional Drivers
[23:27] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: So now run [ sudo start nfs-kernel-server ]
[23:29] <dez> sorry dude, i'm potentially being stupid, but i dont seem to have that option. i have apps menu>setting, then personal, harware, system & other, no additional drivers in there....
[23:29] <amanda_> unknown job it says
[23:29] <Unit193> dez: Software Sources, then Additional Drivers.
[23:29] <dez> sorry. software sources. additional drivers.
[23:30] <dez> haha, snap.
[23:30] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Actually we may not need that... try this instead: [ sudo mount -t nfs -o ro AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD:/path/to/shared/folder/ /wherever/you/want/to/mount/it/ nfs rw 0 0 ]
[23:30] <dez> proprietary, tested.
[23:30] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: (where AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD is the IP address)
[23:30] <dez> using nvidia inary xorg driver, kernel module an vdpau library from nvidia-current
[23:31] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: (In that terminal line, scratch the rw. That should go where ro is if you want to mount the share as read/write vs. read-only)
[23:31] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: (and the 0 0)
[23:31] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: So just [ sudo mount -t nfs -o ro AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD:/path/to/shared/folder/ /wherever/you/want/to/mount/it/ ]
[23:31] <amanda_> lost
[23:32] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: ^ That whole line there. Copy it into a terminal.
[23:32] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: (I screwed up myself)
[23:32] <amanda_> i cant with xchat
[23:32] <dez> ctrl shift v pastes to terminal
[23:33] <SonikkuAmerica> (Thanks dez)
[23:33] <dez> ctrl c copies from xchat (he guesses)
[23:33] <dez> i get to use my one piece of knowledge.
[23:33] <dez> hooray.
[23:33] <dez> lol
[23:34] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Once that's copied in, use the left arrow to edit the line so that AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD is the correct IP address, /path/to/shared/folder is the path, and /wherever/you/want/to/mount/it is the place where you want it to show up.
[23:35] <seronis> dez++   now i dont have to take my hands off the keyboard to click the middle mouse btn
[23:36] <dez> the middle mouse button.......does that paste into terminal? keeewl!
[23:36] <seronis> yup
[23:36] <dez> although, as you say, i don't need to know that, haha
[23:36] <seronis> middle mouse is the generic 'paste'
[23:36] <seronis> works most places
[23:36] <dez> TIL
[23:37] <seronis> yeah.. except on windows i used middle mouse as my teamspeak PushToTalk
[23:37] <seronis> so i dont like it so much
[23:37] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: You still there?
[23:37] <amanda_> yeah
[23:38] <amanda_> trying to figure this out
[23:38] <dez> smart. man i had such high hopes for windows gaming and teamspeak and just cold gave up on that thing. Be more complicated, why don't you? annoying. And yet if i'da managed it, it would have been wall-to-wall geeky middle aged gamers chatting, rather than the 14y/o xbox crowd....
[23:39] <seronis> only use it for friends private servers so no xbox personality issues
[23:39] <dez> "i fragged you mom" etc.
[23:39] <dez> *your
[23:40] <dez> still surprised there isn't more ability to choose who you can chat to.
[23:40] <pleia2> might want to take this to #xubuntu-offtopic if you wish to continue :)
[23:40] <dez> on a xubuntu-related slant: have you upgraded to 13.10 and if so, is there much benefit?
[23:40] <dez> (sorry pleia, realised i/we were wandering!)
[23:40] <pleia2> dez: 13.10 hasn't even reached alpha yet, not recommended
[23:41] <seronis> i only started using 3 weeks ago so only have used 13.04
[23:41] <dez> 13.04, sorry
[23:41] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: All right: (1) sudo: We know what this does. (2) mount -t sets a temporary mount point. (3) nfs is the file system. (4) ro is read-only, rw is read-write. (5) $IPADDRESS:/path/to/shared/folder/ is the IP address of the machine you're heading into, while /path/to/shared/folder/ is the path to the folder you're trying to access. (6) After all that is the place you want it to appear in your file system.
[23:42] <seronis> recent win7 convert..  and so far even as a newbie i've managed to get things running how i like
[23:42] <dez> until tonight i was in the same boat: soooooo impressed with xubuntu.
[23:42] <SonikkuAmerica> seronis: Xubuntu and all? XFCE is for hardcore tweakers... :)
[23:42] <seronis> mailto links now open a gmail window, i can right click files to get public dropbox urls, auto upload screenshots to imgur with link put in clipboard automatically
[23:43] <amanda_> ok i think its mounted
[23:43] <seronis> SonikkuAmerica: that was why i chose it.. 'efficient tweaking'.  unity looked like apple spam to me
[23:43] <dez> that's pretty sweet.
[23:43] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: That last part you typed is where it shows up in your file system. So now, open Thunar (File Manager) and look for that folder.
[23:43] <seronis> also figured out how to get xscreensaver's to render to desktop for livewallpaper
[23:44] <amanda_> i see it
[23:44] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Open it and you should be there.
[23:44] <dez> ugh. unity.... take the fanbase you've created with ubuntu then force-feed it mac amazon-sponsored OSX. Hmmmm......
[23:44] <amanda_> how do i get it to do it auto every time i boot up?
[23:44] <seronis> so my wallpaper is now 'boxfit'  =-)    http://i.imgur.com/t5a3qtG.jpg
[23:45] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: Take Apps and Computer menus and force-feed Apps/Places/System.
[23:45] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: Later, (11.04) take the GNOME 3 route.
[23:45] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: To set it up for startup mounting, we edit a file called /etc/fstab.
[23:45] <seronis> im liking xfce with very minor issues (bad alphanumeric filename sorting being my biggest peeve)
[23:46] <amanda_> ok
[23:46] <dez> meh, i'll accept that for smooth running and "get out of your own way" simplicity.
[23:46] <dez> sonikku: not sure if you're direting me for my problem or joining our chat about OSs! :)
[23:47]  * seronis googles fstab
[23:47] <SonikkuAmerica> (Funny, it's fs-tab, but I see f-stab) O_o
[23:48] <SonikkuAmerica> dez: lol sorry..
[23:48] <amanda_> ok i realized i made it ro not rw how do i change that first
[23:49] <dez> @seronis: rather nice wallpaper. tried middleclick pasting the link to browser. failed. the one thing i learnt today was a lie. my life is hollow.... :P
[23:49] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: If you remember how it's mounted on your filesystem (I'll call it $PATH for reference) run this command: [ sudo umount $PATH ], then hit the up arrow in the terminal until you reach the [ sudo mount -t ] command from earlier and change rw to ro
[23:50] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: *ro to rw
[23:50] <SonikkuAmerica> (umount being the command to unount.
[23:50] <seronis> if i have any basic text in the clipboard i can paste it to the urlbar in chrome-beta and chromium
[23:50] <SonikkuAmerica> *unmount.
[23:50] <SonikkuAmerica> )
[23:50] <seronis> or even in hexchat or  gedit etc
[23:50] <SonikkuAmerica> seronis: You should be able to paste it anywhere.
[23:50] <seronis> SonikkuAmerica: i can.  dez couldnt
[23:51] <SonikkuAmerica> Wha..?
[23:51] <dez> story of my life.
[23:52] <dez> firefox on winXP
[23:53] <seronis> just incase anyone wants the  screensaver AS wallpaper script i made  https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13440285/tdesk
[23:54] <seronis> usage    'tdesk [name]'  will set the given screensaver as your wallpaper.  with no argument will terminate the livewallpaper
[23:54] <amanda_> all better so about auto start/fstab?
[23:54] <seronis> only thing i need to figure out is how to have your -actual- wallpaper redraw when closing the screensaver
[23:55] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Our next trick is to edit /etc/fstab to add this NFS share to our startup mounting...
[23:55] <seronis> dez: you have any similar tricks to share ?
[23:55] <amanda_> ok
[23:56] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: [ sudo nano /etc/fstab ]
[23:56] <amanda_> sudo nano /etc/fstab
[23:57] <amanda_> oops wrong windo lol
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> amanda_: Yes. Try that in the terminal. :)
[23:57] <SonikkuAmerica> (Oh no! Amanda's trying to get us to open nano!)
[23:58] <amanda_> ok done and im not trying anything lol
[23:58] <SonikkuAmerica> Good idea. Go down to the bottom using the arrow keys.
[23:59] <seronis> you're not trying? dang it and i already opened it
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> !danger
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> Well we can utter it anyway...
[23:59] <SonikkuAmerica> !warning
[23:59] <dez> hmm. all quiet on the western front. any thoughts as to whether my choice of graphics driver might be the root cause of my issue?