[00:00] s/meni/menu/ [00:00] smartboyhw meant: "Guys, where (which package) is the configuration for the menu tabs stored?" [00:14] smartboyhw: kubuntu-settings [01:00] dantti: I'm out of ideas then. [01:06] ScottK: oh :/ I thought you are going to tell me good news :P [01:06] maybe I should try 13.10 :P or gummiboot [01:13] valorie: ping [02:05] Darkwing: ? [02:07] dantti: If Ubuntu fails too, you might ask stgraber during the day on #ubuntu-devel. [02:07] ok thanks :) [02:07] He might be around now too. [02:08] hey ScottK [02:10] Heya. [02:10] what's up [02:24] I've got a cold. [02:24] oh that sucjs [02:24] sucks [02:40] ScottK: funny if I use efibootmgr and set the next boot to Windows it boots fine... [02:41] but using the bios option to boot windows doesn't [02:41] Weird. I don't have any experience with it myself. [02:42] well i should work well (at least without secure boot) and afaik it's a good intel standard [02:42] *it [04:06] /away === zarvox_ is now known as zarvox [04:35] hi, ahoneybun [06:06] gaaah, Muon is so freaking unstable [06:06] it crashes when the wind blows gently [06:24] good morning === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === ryan is now known as Guest69821 [08:45] markey: file a bug report plz [08:46] for AudioData? [08:46] for muon crashing [08:46] oh heh, wrong channel. thought this was multimedia [08:46] ok [09:35] https://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/487175-nepomuk-constant-crashing.html [09:36] shadeslayer: Have a look at this please ^ [09:36] This is a similar issue to the one that guy was having yesterday [11:19] hello, i packaged an app for raring, i have just updated and uploaded it to my ppa, i'm not sure what i need to do next === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [11:40] May I fix typos I see on the Kubuntu Docs? [11:50] Hiyas all === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [12:06] RFC: ubiquity has an option to "install updates while installing". Would it be totally insane to enable that by default? [12:07] yofel: it has an option to "_download_ updates while installing" it doesn't install them. [12:07] xnox: so the user needs to still install them once he's in the installed system? [12:08] yofel: yeap, it's just they are prefetched and ready to install. E.g. on ubuntu the software updater pops up saying "Updates are ready to be installed" [12:08] hm, why can't ubiquity install them right away? [12:10] yofel: no known final & reproducible install state. If installations go awray, very hard to debug & easy to fail installation. At least with a CD image, we know all of those packages install, because well we had to install them to build the cd in the first place. [12:10] true :S [12:10] yofel: also see ubuntu installation specification document, which has a paragraphs about this checkbox, behaviour, and reasoning. [12:10] oh, where is that? [12:19] hehe, this was funny... [12:20] jussi@starling:~$ apt-cache search weather unity [12:20] plasma-widgets-addons - additional widgets for Plasma === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback === dpm_ is now known as dpm-uow === dpm is now known as dpm-laptop === dpm-uow is now known as dpm [13:30] baltolkien__, plz don't reconnect all the time, you're flooding the channel with messages [13:31] apachelogger: btw, what's the status of your kde-frameworks daily-build-framework? [13:34] !ops | baltokien [13:34] baltokien: Help! Riddell, amu, imbrandon, Hobbsee, Tm_T or jussi01 [13:34] Help, it's trolling… [13:34] Quit and join messages [13:35] note: at least the ubuntu IRC ops don't count that as trolling [13:35] most clients can disable join/quit messages [13:35] s/disable/hide/ [13:35] yofel meant: "most clients can hide join/quit messages" [13:36] OK then… [13:36] :O [13:36] thanks nevertheless Pici [13:36] np [13:36] but it's still a PITA for thiose of us who prefer to have quits and joins enabled [13:36] Pici: Thx :) [13:36] BluesKaj: Sane [13:36] *Same [13:37] May I fix typos when I see them on Kubuntu Docs? [13:37] palasso: Which Kubuntu docs do you mean? [13:37] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/ [13:38] Some of them have some typos that I noticed while reading them [13:40] palasso: Sure. [13:40] kthnx [13:40] I doubt they'll mind if you just go ahead and fix them, but poke ahoneybun or Darkwing to make sure it's fixed in all places they work on right now [13:44] I see valorie is editing them and since she's around I'll ask her if I can edit to fix typos when I see them.. [13:47] is someone working on backporting amarok 2.7.1? [13:47] Or, is the new KTp in? [13:48] Quintasan_, shadeslayer ^ [13:49] it's default in 13.10 [13:49] smartboyhw: newest is? I see 0.6.X in archives [14:26] vassie: best to put any packaging changes in the changelog [14:26] I'll put a line for "new build-depends libcdparanoia-dev, libmusicbrainz5-dev, libcddb2-dev [14:28] vassie: uploaded to saucy! [14:30] Mamarok: 4.10.3 announcement out, sorry for the delay [14:30] thanks yofel [14:31] sorry I failed to do that [14:31] well, you and me both [14:37] Riddell: what do i need to do for raring? [14:37] vassie: various options [14:38] vassie: it's in your PPA so that could be good enough, we could put it into the kubuntu backports PPA or you could go through the backports process for the proper thing [14:38] Riddell: how did it make it into the official repo before? how do i upgrade that package? [14:39] vassie: that was before raring was released [14:39] Riddell: ah, ok [14:39] vassie: now that it's been released it's frozen hard [14:40] Riddell: kubuntu backports ppa? what about that? [14:40] vassie: yeah I can throw it into there [14:41] Riddell: thanks, how can i veiw the changes you made, so i know for next time [14:43] vassie: just changed the changelog http://paste.kde.org/748892/ [14:45] Riddell: thanks === dpm-laptop is now known as dpm === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [16:11] hi howard_ [16:11] howard_: interested in helping Kubuntu? [16:13] Current lurking. Interested in observing next Kubuntu Team meeting. Recently joined work project using Kubuntu (I am mostly a Debian user) [16:20] howard_: oh cool,let us know what good/bad points you find === jessie_ is now known as jessie [18:10] agateau, ping [18:38] ::workspace-bugs:: [1183030] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183030 (by Fila Kolodny) [18:38] ::workspace-bugs:: [1183031] package kdm 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/k... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183031 (by Fila Kolodny) [18:38] ::workspace-bugs:: [1183032] package plasma-desktop 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183032 (by Fila Kolodny) [19:00] shadeslayer: ping [19:14] vHanda: hi [19:21] shadeslayer: do you want to implement the epub extractor? [19:21] uhh ... I do not have the time sadly :( [19:21] too many things to do [19:22] shadeslayer: are you sure? :P [19:22] It'll just take an hour or so [19:22] I need to stop signing myself for things for which I have no time :p [19:23] plus you were looking to code something [19:23] vHanda: yep, really, I want to finish my previous commitments first [19:23] bah [19:23] how about a mobi parser? :P [19:24] lol [19:24] no [19:25] chm? [19:25] have to start saying no somewhere [19:25] no time ... I have no flipping time [19:26] I already feel so bad about saying no [19:30] vHanda: btw I looked at the opensuse forum post this morning :p [19:30] I make it a point to read backlogs in nepomuk-kde ;) [19:30] ... and? [19:31] freetype ... who would have thought [19:31] and ... it doesn't make sense to me [19:31] might look a bit more when I have some time [19:40] valorie: ping === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [21:29] hmm, no ahoneybun [21:29] palasso: of course fix typos! [21:30] it's a wiki; that's the point [21:30] no need to ask permission , these are your docs [21:31] the only time coordination is necessary is to keep from walking over one another's edits; in other words, only one person editing a page at a time === Tonio_ is now known as Tonio_aw === Tonio_aw is now known as Tonio_ [22:23] debfx: Now that colibri is in Debian, should we just sync their pacakge? [22:49] Well, I'm going to start work on this years halloween costume. Will take some time. http://www.therpf.com/f24/dr-who-silence-124190/ [22:51] omg that will be frightening [22:52] My girlfriend is going to walk around with tally markings :D [22:52] ahahahaha [22:52] Hey valorie, you busy? [22:53] I just watched the bbc america "Best Doctor Who Monsters" ep the other night [22:53] and saw River with all the hash marks [22:53] Oh yeah. Dr Who FTW [22:53] scary few eps [22:53] nope, whassup? [22:53] The other one I'm going to put together for cosplay is this. http://crafty-tardis.livejournal.com/152724.html [22:54] those were effing scary too [22:55] in fact I think I scared my hubby off of the doctor by showing him Blink [22:55] lol [22:55] You get a working mic? [22:55] in the mail [22:55] blink was amazing. [22:55] Okay sweet. [22:55] About the docs. :D [22:55] might be my favorite evar [22:55] now I eye every statue I see though [22:56] It's a toss up between the angels and the silence. [22:56] agreed [22:56] primal fears [22:56] about the docs: I'm not sure aaron is exactly on board [22:57] he keeps wanting more [22:57] * Darkwing raises an eyebrow [22:57] and I keep wanting LESS [22:57] Well, let's comprimise then. [22:57] and linking to other stuff on the website [22:57] On the Wiki, we will have more and more if he is willing to maintain. [22:57] well, I think maybe another discussion would clarify it all, for all of us [22:57] That is the biggest thing, maintaining the docs. [22:57] agreed [22:58] The other thing, we are going to be able to have the welcome screen with webslice. [22:58] I want each lil subject to be by itself as a separate page [22:58] right [22:58] we're all together there [22:58] Unless you can convince the council otherwise [22:58] :P [22:58] My suggestion is to agree on a minimum for an initial release and then aaron can do more if he wants. [22:58] but I think we need to agree on what those basic page(s) should be [22:58] ScottK: +1 [22:58] ScottK: I think we should always ship the minimum [22:59] My idea is having ALL the documentation online on the wiki. [22:59] and have whatever else we want on the wiki [22:59] ship a horridly minimum amount. [22:59] right [22:59] helpful, but minimal [22:59] people don 't like to read text [22:59] And, because we wont have the pop-up welcome screen, I'll just recode what we have into docbook for the minimum [22:59] they don't even read the slides [23:00] This will prevent us from having to code a new viewer. [23:00] heck, *I* don't even read them, except to admire how nice they look [23:00] And, we will have a docs and welcome icon in the ~/Desktop folder [23:00] and not a lot of text. [23:01] A lot of screenshots. [23:01] visual is always better. [23:01] Darkwing: how about sending a nice email summing up your thoughts to kubuntu-devel list? [23:01] agreed [23:01] That would be too easy. :P [23:01] Okay, I'll knock that out. [23:01] we'll need to keep the screenies small or at least the filesize small [23:02] I like big, but this should all be viewable on someone's phone [23:02] in case they are hosed and that's the only way they can access [23:03] be sure to share photos of you in your costumes! [23:03] are you gonna get the teeth for the angel one? [23:06] heavy makeup seems like a better idea than masks, though [23:07] also it seems like you could use a mop head for the wig [23:08] damn, those will be awesome [23:11] For the angel I'm just going to use molding clay [23:11] This way it will be more like stone. [23:17] molding clay for the hair? [23:17] For the face. [23:17] ah [23:17] I think for the hair, I'll stiffen a mop head [23:17] But, it will have to be really really stiff. [23:17] well, you can get powdered starch, and mix it really thick [23:18] and then paint more on top [23:18] even the liquid starch will make it pretty firm [23:19] Yeah, I was thinking of spray plaster as well. [23:19] thinned liquid plaster maybe [23:19] although then you'll have cracking [23:19] plaster is fun to work with [23:20] Yup. :D [23:26] As of right now, we should be abandening the webslice idea. [23:26] FWIW [23:32] why is that? [23:32] too glitchy? [23:32] I personally hate widgets on the desktop, but that's just me [23:32] Because, to open a widget with an icon that is a limited about of space is kinda a bad idea. [23:33] As I'm laying out in my email, the shipped basic docs shouldn't change from release to release unless we change something MAJOR [23:33] there is a browser widget too [23:33] So, keeping it in the KHelpCenter *gags* for now is a better idea. [23:33] I hear you [23:34] It also gives a good looka t where they can find KDE help docs as well. [23:34] maybe we can work with apachelogger to get khelpcenter fixed? [23:34] It's usable. [23:34] because I always prefer to do things the KDE Way [23:34] Yes. [23:34] ok, usable [23:34] but not cool [23:35] But, if we have a VERY limited about of stuff that we add to the shipped docs, we wont have to update them every 6 months. [23:35] right [23:35] and with a limited about of stuff, we don't need cool. [23:35] well, cool gets people to use the docs [23:35] We can save cool for the wiki [23:35] umm, .... moinmoin [23:36] that will never be cool [23:36] I know. [23:36] lol [23:36] It will change but, we only have so much to work for,. [23:36] right [23:36] and again, most stuff won't change [23:37] Right, so, no real reason to change from KHelpCenter [23:37] got it [23:37] PM? [23:38] sure.