[00:00] <smartboyhw> s/meni/menu/
[00:00] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Guys, where (which package) is the configuration for the menu tabs stored?"
[00:14] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: kubuntu-settings
[01:00] <ScottK> dantti: I'm out of ideas then.
[01:06] <dantti> ScottK: oh :/ I thought you are going to tell me good news :P
[01:06] <dantti> maybe I should try 13.10 :P or gummiboot
[01:13] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[02:05] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ?
[02:07] <ScottK> dantti: If Ubuntu fails too, you might ask stgraber during the day on #ubuntu-devel.
[02:07] <dantti> ok thanks :)
[02:07] <ScottK> He might be around now too.
[02:08] <ahoneybun> hey ScottK
[02:10] <ScottK> Heya.
[02:10] <ahoneybun> what's up
[02:24] <ScottK> I've got a cold.
[02:24] <ahoneybun> oh that sucjs
[02:24] <ahoneybun> sucks
[02:40] <dantti> ScottK: funny if I use efibootmgr and set the next boot to Windows it boots fine...
[02:41] <dantti> but using the bios option to boot windows doesn't
[02:41] <ScottK> Weird.  I don't have any experience with it myself.
[02:42] <dantti> well i should work well (at least without secure boot) and afaik it's a good intel standard
[02:42] <dantti> *it
[04:06] <ahoneybun>  /away
[04:35] <valorie> hi, ahoneybun
[06:06] <markey> gaaah, Muon is so freaking unstable
[06:06] <markey> it crashes when the wind blows gently
[06:24] <soee_> good morning
[08:45] <apachelogger> markey: file a bug report plz
[08:46] <markey> for AudioData?
[08:46] <apachelogger> for muon crashing
[08:46] <markey> oh heh, wrong channel. thought this was multimedia
[08:46] <markey> ok
[09:35] <vHanda> https://forums.opensuse.org/english/get-technical-help-here/applications/487175-nepomuk-constant-crashing.html
[09:36] <vHanda> shadeslayer: Have a look at this please ^
[09:36] <vHanda> This is a similar issue to the one that guy was having yesterday
[11:19] <vassie> hello, i packaged an app for raring, i have just updated and uploaded it to my ppa, i'm not sure what i need to do next
[11:40] <palasso> May I fix typos I see on the Kubuntu Docs?
[11:50] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:06] <yofel> RFC: ubiquity has an option to "install updates while installing". Would it be totally insane to enable that by default?
[12:07] <xnox> yofel: it has an option to "_download_ updates while installing" it doesn't install them.
[12:07] <yofel> xnox: so the user needs to still install them once he's in the installed system?
[12:08] <xnox> yofel: yeap, it's just they are prefetched and ready to install. E.g. on ubuntu the software updater pops up saying "Updates are ready to be installed"
[12:08] <yofel> hm, why can't ubiquity install them right away?
[12:10] <xnox> yofel: no known final & reproducible install state. If installations go awray, very hard to debug & easy to fail installation. At least with a CD image, we know all of those packages install, because well we had to install them to build the cd in the first place.
[12:10] <yofel> true :S
[12:10] <xnox> yofel: also see ubuntu installation specification document, which has a paragraphs about this checkbox, behaviour, and reasoning.
[12:10] <yofel> oh, where is that?
[12:19] <jussi> hehe, this was funny...
[12:20] <jussi> jussi@starling:~$ apt-cache search weather unity
[12:20] <jussi> plasma-widgets-addons - additional widgets for Plasma
[13:30] <palasso> baltolkien__, plz don't reconnect all the time, you're flooding the channel with messages
[13:31] <yofel> apachelogger: btw, what's the status of your kde-frameworks daily-build-framework?
[13:34] <smartboyhw> !ops | baltokien
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Help, it's trolling…
[13:34] <smartboyhw> Quit and join messages
[13:35] <yofel> note: at least the ubuntu IRC ops don't count that as trolling
[13:35] <yofel> most clients can disable join/quit messages
[13:35] <yofel> s/disable/hide/
[13:35] <kubotu> yofel meant: "most clients can hide join/quit messages"
[13:36] <smartboyhw> OK then…
[13:36] <smartboyhw> :O
[13:36] <yofel> thanks nevertheless Pici
[13:36] <Pici> np
[13:36] <BluesKaj> but it's still a PITA for thiose of us who prefer to have quits and joins enabled
[13:36] <smartboyhw> Pici: Thx :)
[13:36] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj: Sane
[13:36] <smartboyhw> *Same
[13:37] <palasso> May I fix typos when I see them on Kubuntu Docs?
[13:37] <smartboyhw> palasso: Which Kubuntu docs do you mean?
[13:37] <palasso> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/
[13:38] <palasso> Some of them have some typos that I noticed while reading them
[13:40] <smartboyhw> palasso: Sure.
[13:40] <palasso> kthnx
[13:40] <yofel> I doubt they'll mind if you just go ahead and fix them, but poke ahoneybun or Darkwing to make sure it's fixed in all places they work on right now
[13:44] <palasso> I see valorie is editing them and since she's around I'll ask her if I can edit to fix typos when I see them..
[13:47] <yofel> is someone working on backporting amarok 2.7.1?
[13:47] <smartboyhw> Or, is the new KTp in?
[13:48] <yofel> Quintasan_, shadeslayer ^
[13:49] <BluesKaj> it's default in 13.10
[13:49] <yofel> smartboyhw: newest is? I see 0.6.X in archives
[14:26] <Riddell> vassie: best to put any packaging changes in the changelog
[14:26] <Riddell> I'll put a line for "new build-depends libcdparanoia-dev, libmusicbrainz5-dev, libcddb2-dev
[14:28] <Riddell> vassie: uploaded to saucy!
[14:30] <yofel> Mamarok: 4.10.3 announcement out, sorry for the delay
[14:30] <Riddell> thanks yofel 
[14:31] <Riddell> sorry I failed to do that
[14:31] <yofel> well, you and me both
[14:37] <vassie> Riddell: what do i need to do for raring?
[14:37] <Riddell> vassie: various options
[14:38] <Riddell> vassie: it's in your PPA so that could be good enough, we could put it into the kubuntu backports PPA or you could go through the backports process for the proper thing
[14:38] <vassie> Riddell: how did it make it into the official repo before? how do i upgrade that package?
[14:39] <Riddell> vassie: that was before raring was released
[14:39] <vassie> Riddell: ah, ok
[14:39] <Riddell> vassie: now that it's been released it's frozen hard
[14:40] <vassie> Riddell: kubuntu backports ppa? what about that?
[14:40] <Riddell> vassie: yeah I can throw it into there
[14:41] <vassie> Riddell: thanks, how can i veiw the changes you made, so i know for next time
[14:43] <Riddell> vassie: just changed the changelog http://paste.kde.org/748892/
[14:45] <vassie> Riddell: thanks
[16:11] <Riddell> hi howard_ 
[16:11] <Riddell> howard_: interested in helping Kubuntu?
[16:13] <howard_> Current lurking. Interested in observing next Kubuntu Team meeting. Recently joined work project using Kubuntu (I am mostly a Debian user)
[16:20] <Riddell> howard_: oh cool,let us know what good/bad points you find
[18:10] <soee> agateau, ping
[18:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183030] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183030 (by Fila Kolodny)
[18:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183031] package kdm 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/k... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183031 (by Fila Kolodny)
[18:38] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183032] package plasma-desktop 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183032 (by Fila Kolodny)
[19:00] <vHanda> shadeslayer: ping
[19:14] <shadeslayer> vHanda: hi 
[19:21] <vHanda> shadeslayer: do you want to implement the epub extractor?
[19:21] <shadeslayer> uhh ... I do not have the time sadly :(
[19:21] <shadeslayer> too many things to do 
[19:22] <vHanda> shadeslayer: are you sure? :P
[19:22] <vHanda> It'll just take an hour or so
[19:22] <shadeslayer> I need to stop signing myself for things for which I have no time :p
[19:23] <vHanda> plus you were looking to code something
[19:23] <shadeslayer> vHanda: yep, really, I want to finish my previous commitments first 
[19:23] <vHanda> bah
[19:23] <vHanda> how about a mobi parser? :P
[19:24] <shadeslayer> lol 
[19:24] <shadeslayer> no 
[19:25] <vHanda> chm?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> have to start saying no somewhere 
[19:25] <shadeslayer> no time ... I have no flipping time 
[19:26] <shadeslayer> I already feel so bad about saying no 
[19:30] <shadeslayer> vHanda: btw I looked at the opensuse forum post this morning :p
[19:30] <shadeslayer> I make it a point to read backlogs in nepomuk-kde ;)
[19:30] <vHanda>  ... and?
[19:31] <shadeslayer> freetype ... who would have thought
[19:31] <shadeslayer> and ... it doesn't make sense to me 
[19:31] <shadeslayer> might look a bit more when I have some time 
[19:40] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[21:29] <valorie> hmm, no ahoneybun
[21:29] <valorie> palasso: of course fix typos!
[21:30] <valorie> it's a wiki; that's the point
[21:30] <valorie> no need to ask permission , these are your docs
[21:31] <valorie> the only time coordination is necessary is to keep from walking over one another's edits; in other words, only one person editing a page at a time
[22:23] <ScottK> debfx: Now that colibri is in Debian, should we just sync their pacakge?
[22:49] <Darkwing> Well, I'm going to start work on this years halloween costume. Will take some time. http://www.therpf.com/f24/dr-who-silence-124190/
[22:51] <valorie> omg that will be frightening
[22:52] <Darkwing> My girlfriend is going to walk around with tally markings :D
[22:52] <valorie> ahahahaha
[22:52] <Darkwing> Hey valorie, you busy?
[22:53] <valorie> I just watched the bbc america "Best Doctor Who Monsters" ep the other night
[22:53] <valorie> and saw River with all the hash marks
[22:53] <Darkwing> Oh yeah. Dr Who FTW
[22:53] <valorie> scary few eps
[22:53] <valorie> nope, whassup?
[22:53] <Darkwing> The other one I'm going to put together for cosplay is this. http://crafty-tardis.livejournal.com/152724.html
[22:54] <valorie> those were effing scary too
[22:55] <valorie> in fact I think I scared my hubby off of the doctor by showing him Blink
[22:55] <valorie> lol
[22:55] <Darkwing> You get a working mic?
[22:55] <valorie> in the mail
[22:55] <Darkwing> blink was amazing.
[22:55] <Darkwing> Okay sweet.
[22:55] <Darkwing> About the docs. :D 
[22:55] <valorie> might be my favorite evar
[22:55] <valorie> now I eye every statue I see though
[22:56] <Darkwing> It's a toss up between the angels and the silence. 
[22:56] <valorie> agreed
[22:56] <valorie> primal fears
[22:56] <valorie> about the docs: I'm not sure aaron is exactly on board
[22:57] <valorie> he keeps wanting more
[22:57]  * Darkwing raises an eyebrow
[22:57] <valorie> and I keep wanting LESS
[22:57] <Darkwing> Well, let's comprimise then.
[22:57] <valorie> and linking to other stuff on the website
[22:57] <Darkwing> On the Wiki, we will have more and more if he is willing to maintain.
[22:57] <valorie> well, I think maybe another discussion would clarify it all, for all of us
[22:57] <Darkwing> That is the biggest thing, maintaining the docs.
[22:57] <valorie> agreed
[22:58] <Darkwing> The other thing, we are going to be able to have the welcome screen with webslice.
[22:58] <valorie> I want each lil subject to be by itself as a separate page
[22:58] <valorie> right
[22:58] <valorie> we're all together there
[22:58] <Darkwing> Unless you can convince the council otherwise 
[22:58] <Darkwing> :P
[22:58] <ScottK> My suggestion is to agree on a minimum for an initial release and then aaron can do more if he wants.
[22:58] <valorie> but I think we need to agree on what those basic page(s) should be
[22:58] <Darkwing> ScottK: +1
[22:58] <valorie> ScottK: I think we should always ship the minimum
[22:59] <Darkwing> My idea is having ALL the documentation online on the wiki.
[22:59] <valorie> and have whatever else we want on the wiki
[22:59] <Darkwing> ship a horridly minimum amount.
[22:59] <valorie> right
[22:59] <valorie> helpful, but minimal
[22:59] <valorie> people don 't like to read text
[22:59] <Darkwing> And, because we wont have the pop-up welcome screen, I'll just recode what we have into docbook for the minimum
[22:59] <valorie> they don't even read the slides
[23:00] <Darkwing> This will prevent us from having to code a new viewer.
[23:00] <valorie> heck, *I* don't even read them, except to admire how nice they look
[23:00] <Darkwing> And, we will have a docs and welcome icon in the ~/Desktop folder
[23:00] <Darkwing> and not a lot of text.
[23:01] <Darkwing> A lot of screenshots.
[23:01] <Darkwing> visual is always better.
[23:01] <valorie> Darkwing: how about sending a nice email summing up your thoughts to kubuntu-devel list?
[23:01] <valorie> agreed
[23:01] <Darkwing> That would be too easy. :P
[23:01] <Darkwing> Okay, I'll knock that out.
[23:01] <valorie> we'll need to keep the screenies small or at least the filesize small
[23:02] <valorie> I like big, but this should all be viewable on someone's phone
[23:02] <valorie> in case they are hosed and that's the only way they can access
[23:03] <valorie> be sure to share photos of you in your costumes!
[23:03] <valorie> are you gonna get the teeth for the angel one?
[23:06] <valorie> heavy makeup seems like a better idea than masks, though
[23:07] <valorie> also it seems like you could use a mop head for the wig
[23:08] <valorie> damn, those will be awesome
[23:11] <Darkwing> For the angel I'm just going to use molding clay
[23:11] <Darkwing> This way it will be more like stone.
[23:17] <valorie> molding clay for the hair?
[23:17] <Darkwing> For the face.
[23:17] <valorie> ah
[23:17] <Darkwing> I think for the hair, I'll stiffen a mop head
[23:17] <Darkwing> But, it will have to be really really stiff.
[23:17] <valorie> well, you can get powdered starch, and mix it really thick
[23:18] <valorie> and then paint more on top
[23:18] <valorie> even the liquid starch will make it pretty firm
[23:19] <Darkwing> Yeah, I was thinking of spray plaster as well.
[23:19] <valorie> thinned liquid plaster maybe
[23:19] <valorie> although then you'll have cracking
[23:19] <valorie> plaster is fun to work with
[23:20] <Darkwing> Yup. :D
[23:26] <Darkwing> As of right now, we should be abandening the webslice idea.
[23:26] <Darkwing> FWIW
[23:32] <valorie> why is that?
[23:32] <valorie> too glitchy?
[23:32] <valorie> I personally hate widgets on the desktop, but that's just me
[23:32] <Darkwing> Because, to open a widget with an icon that is a limited about of space is kinda a bad idea. 
[23:33] <Darkwing> As I'm laying out in my email, the shipped basic docs shouldn't change from release to release unless we change something MAJOR
[23:33] <valorie> there is a browser widget too
[23:33] <Darkwing> So, keeping it in the KHelpCenter *gags* for now is a better idea.
[23:33] <valorie> I hear you
[23:34] <Darkwing> It also gives a good looka t where they can find KDE help docs as well.
[23:34] <valorie> maybe we can work with apachelogger to get khelpcenter fixed?
[23:34] <Darkwing> It's usable.
[23:34] <valorie> because I always prefer to do things the KDE Way
[23:34] <Darkwing> Yes.
[23:34] <valorie> ok, usable
[23:34] <valorie> but not cool
[23:35] <Darkwing> But, if we have a VERY limited about of stuff that we add to the shipped docs, we wont have to update them every 6 months.
[23:35] <valorie> right
[23:35] <Darkwing> and with a limited about of stuff, we don't need cool.
[23:35] <valorie> well, cool gets people to use the docs
[23:35] <Darkwing> We can save cool for the wiki
[23:35] <valorie> umm, .... moinmoin
[23:36] <valorie> that will never be cool
[23:36] <Darkwing> I know.
[23:36] <valorie> lol
[23:36] <Darkwing> It will change but, we only have so much to work for,.
[23:36] <valorie> right
[23:36] <valorie> and again, most stuff won't change
[23:37] <Darkwing> Right, so, no real reason to change from KHelpCenter
[23:37] <valorie> got it
[23:37] <valorie> PM?
[23:38] <Darkwing> sure.