[01:50] <n0yd> bah, freenods webchat lagged out on me
[01:50] <n0yd> sorry about that (if anyone had answered me, I didnt see it)
[01:52] <darkxst> n0yd, never saw a question!
[01:54] <n0yd> damn, i guess freenode really has been having issues with the webchat recently then
[01:55] <n0yd> Well, basically I asked if anyone is sucessfully using cairo-dock in gnome. I've ran it before in gnomeshell without issues. Now on a fresh install I cant launch cairo-dock in gl mode or no gl mode
[01:55] <n0yd> It just crashes over and over until it launches the maintenance mode sttings menu
[01:55] <n0yd> I just spent about 3hrs configuring the "ultimate desktop" for my purposes, and that was basically the last piece
[01:56] <n0yd> I did some troubleshooting on my own, found some similar issues people had online, but all their fixes didnt work for me (granted their issues were all about a year old)
[02:05] <darkxst> n0yd, I am using it, no problems here
[02:07] <darkxst> n0yd, perhaps try removing any old config for cairo-dock?
[02:25] <n0yd> darkxst: already tried, sadly
[02:25] <n0yd> like the first thing i thought of
[02:25] <n0yd> darkxst: standard repo version?
[02:25] <n0yd> ie., non ppa
[02:26] <darkxst> n0yd yes from standard repo
[02:26] <n0yd> k just checking
[02:26] <n0yd> i truied the standard and the weekly svn build from ppa
[02:26] <darkxst> logs?
[02:27] <n0yd> Ya I have debug logs and such, but the errors are dont give me a real clue to whats happening, like when I google them, other people have the same errors and the same thing happening, but whats causing the issue is different
[02:28] <n0yd> I can pastebin them if you want
[02:28] <darkxst> yeh
[02:28] <n0yd> one sec, lemme reinstall
[02:31] <n0yd> darkxst: ok, first, this is the standard terminal output with a little error message. You can see the program tries to restart like 5 or so times, giving the same error each time: http://pastebin.com/TUXSdXGW
[02:32] <n0yd> I will do a verbose log now
[02:33] <darkxst> looks like a mesa/GL issue that one,
[02:34] <n0yd> ya i donno, im thinking trying xorg edgers, just because I need it anyway to run CSS on steam properly
[02:34] <darkxst> what gpu and drivers?
[02:35] <n0yd> because the 13.04 default mesa version doesnty have the proper opengl version support for intel cards and certain steam drivers
[02:35] <n0yd> Intel GMA 3500
[02:35] <n0yd> ive never had a problem on this hardware running cairo
[02:36] <n0yd> A matter of fact, I think it worked fine on 13.04 pre-release back in march/april
[02:36] <n0yd> If it wasnt 13.04 when I used cairod-dock last, definitely 12.10
[02:36] <n0yd> Lemme paste the verbose log
[02:36] <n0yd> much more messages
[02:36] <darkxst> ok
[02:37] <n0yd> http://pastebin.com/cRgv6q33
[02:37] <n0yd> this is the error I keep seeing,  couldn't find an appropriate visual, trying to get one without Stencil buffer
[02:38] <n0yd> and googling it comes up with lots of stuff, but that all seems to be issues like a year old or more, and none of the solutions either apply or work, at least on the hits I looked at
[02:38] <darkxst> n0yd, I dont think that is the problem
[02:38] <darkxst> it retries and succeeds second time
[02:39] <darkxst> "Strike, found a GLX visual with alpha-support !"
[02:39] <n0yd> thats a good sign
[02:39] <n0yd> lol
[02:39] <n0yd> alpha-support would be a good thing
[02:39] <darkxst> there is nothing really in there that indicates what caused the crash
[02:40] <darkxst> you would need to get a backtrace
[02:41] <n0yd> one sec, Ill run a strace
[02:41] <darkxst> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[02:41] <n0yd> darkxst: i dont see it retrying and suceeding a second time
[02:42] <darkxst> n0yd, a couple of lines after the first message
[02:42] <n0yd> like I said, it retries like five times, you can see it in the first paste
[02:42] <n0yd> And it gives that same error each time iirc
[02:42] <n0yd> yup
[02:42] <n0yd> stencil buffer error each time
[02:42] <darkxst> at first it fails to find the framebuffer
[02:42] <n0yd> http://pastebin.com/TUXSdXGW
[02:43] <darkxst> n0yd, in the verbose log
[02:43] <darkxst> the lines directly after the stencil message
[02:43] <n0yd> ya i know, the fbconfig
[02:43] <n0yd> im aware of that
[02:43] <darkxst> anyway just grab a backtrace
[02:43] <n0yd> i am
[02:44] <n0yd> i just use strace, but if you want to use ubuntus specific method, that is fine
[02:45] <n0yd> hmm, thouyght i had gdb installed. one sec
[02:47] <n0yd> gonna have to find a dbg package for this thing
[02:49] <n0yd> found some :)
[02:50] <n0yd> gotta uninstall the cairo dock from repos and use the stable ppa cairodock packages tho
[02:51] <darkxst> strace is different
[02:56] <n0yd> sorry i was taking so long, putting my son to bed
[02:58] <n0yd> man what a clusterfark, im gonna have to install all of this manually cause ubuntu made a minor change to the version number of the ones in their repos
[03:07] <n0yd> darkxst: hmm i need a hand
[03:07] <n0yd> i cant figure out how run gdb during the short amount of time the cairo-dock process is even running
[03:12] <darkxst> n0yd, it is easiest to use the ubuntu tools to get the trace
[03:13] <darkxst> something like 'ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_cairo....crash'
[03:13] <darkxst> the click 'examine locally'
[03:14] <n0yd> lol thats gonna give the same output as starce i believe
[03:14] <darkxst> no, strace is an entirely different tool
[03:14] <n0yd> apport-retrace grabs ba stack trace
[03:14] <darkxst> ubuntu-bug gets a symbolic trace for you using apport-retrace
[03:15] <n0yd> DESCRIPTION        apport-retrace  regenerates  the  stack traces (both the simple and the        threaded one)
[03:15] <n0yd> isnt that what strace does?
[03:16] <n0yd> can you give me a better example of that ubuntu bug command?
[03:17] <darkxst> just look in /var/crash for the right file
[03:17] <n0yd> ok, but when the app crashes, its not seen by ubuntu as crashing
[03:18] <n0yd> like when other apps crash
[03:18] <darkxst> it should be
[03:19] <darkxst> other you can run 'gdb cairo-dock', but you will need to install all the symbols manually
[03:19] <n0yd> i already installed them
[03:19] <n0yd> they arent in the repos
[03:19] <n0yd> only in the ppa
[03:19] <n0yd> so then i had to install all the ppa packages and deps
[03:19]  * n0yd is not a "new user"
[03:19] <darkxst> n0yd, symbols come from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/
[03:20] <darkxst> (for repo packages)
[03:20] <n0yd> ya and it looks
[03:20] <n0yd> gdb nautomatically looks online
[03:20] <n0yd> and it cant find them, because they arent there
[03:20] <darkxst> no gdb doesnt look online
[03:20] <n0yd> generally ubuntu has -dbg packages
[03:20] <n0yd> umm yes it does
[03:20] <n0yd> lol
[03:20] <n0yd> run it
[03:20] <n0yd> im lookinh at it
[03:21] <n0yd> it clearly says it attempts to look online for the debug symbols
[03:21] <darkxst> n0yd, -dbg packages are obsolete and leftover from debian packaging
[03:21] <n0yd> obsolete.... lol
[03:21] <n0yd> gotta love ubuntu
[03:21] <n0yd> seing how every ppa provides them
[03:22] <darkxst> ubuntu generates -debsym pacakges for every built package
[03:22] <darkxst> regardless of if they have a -dbg generated from the debian packaging
[03:22] <n0yd> and its somehow easier to go find them on a random website rather than just have apt instll them?
[03:22] <n0yd> lol
[03:22] <n0yd> regrardless, this is pointless. I have the crash report
[03:25] <n0yd> ok so iu found the file in var/crash, what exactly should this be doing?
[03:25] <n0yd> because if I run 'ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_bin_cairo_blahlbah' it shows nothing in the details
[03:27] <darkxst> there should be an 'examine locally' button?
[03:27] <n0yd> thats what i expected, no
[03:27] <n0yd> show details or continue
[03:27] <n0yd> show details, expands it, and shows nothing
[03:28] <n0yd> continue just sends the report
[03:29] <darkxst> you can try apport-retrace -g crash-file
[08:23] <jonaskul> Hi guys
[09:28] <darkxst> jonaskul, hi
[09:34] <eugene42> Hi I am interested in installing ubuntu-gnome 13.04 64bit but only one issue I cannot seem to enable mobile broadband it just does not show an option for mobile broadband and it's the only way for me to really connect? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you!
[09:40] <darkxst> eugene42, it should work unless you are using gnome3-staging
[09:43] <darkxst> eugene42, I believe you can use 'nm-connection-editor' either way though
[09:43] <darkxst> eugene42, I believe you can use 'nm-connection-editor' either way though
[09:43] <eugene42> Hi darkxst, I have done  full install and tried everything it just doens't see it and there is nothing to enable in the network manager for mobile broadband?
[09:43] <eugene42> Ah, running it sudo in the terminal?
[09:44] <darkxst> it shouldnt need sudo, just run it from a terminal
[09:44] <eugene42> kk will try that, :-) thanks for that I appreciate your help.
[09:59] <jonaskul> Found this release a few days ago, and its just what I wanted! Its still a little buggy, but guess thats ok. It freezes from time to time too.
[10:08] <darkxst> jonaskul, like deadlocks where you have to restart gnome-shell? they should be fixed in gnome3 ppa
[10:24] <jonaskul> darkxst: It may be the shell, I have not found time to check it out.
[10:59] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, did jbicha said something about uploading fontconfig to gnom3 ppa instead of staging?
[10:59] <ricotz> this doesnt look intended
[14:16] <tommie-lie> Has anyone tried installing Ubuntu 13.04 + ppa:gnome3 in VMware workstation? I have a problem accessing the notifications tray with the mouse. Resting either at the bottom edge or bottom-right corner does nothing, the "fling" also does not work.
[14:22] <mgedmin> what about Super+M?
[14:25] <tommie-lie> that works
[15:12] <tommie-lie> ok, disabling vmmouse driver in xorg did the trick. the pointer position seems to be off one pixel to the top right for the whole screen in VMware, don't know whose bug it is...
[15:12] <tommie-lie> (but definitely not Gnome's)
[20:57] <zsxfgv> hi
[20:58] <zsxfgv> before I install ubuntu gnome i would like to know is overlay scrollbar used in it ?
[21:38] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[21:38] <darkxst> don't know anything about fontconfig going into gnome3 you will have to ask jbicha
[21:41] <ricotz> darkxst, hi, i think he just copied it to the wrong ppa while he is building it first in his personal one
[21:50] <darkxst> possibly