[00:00] <penguin421> ah good
[00:00] <MangaKaDenza> Ahh
[00:00] <MangaKaDenza> Well
[00:00] <MangaKaDenza> Thats over
[00:00] <MangaKaDenza> bye
[05:10] <MartijnVdS> I wonder what inspires someone to do things like that
[05:46] <daftykins> what's that?
[05:58] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: some guy during the night spammed the channel
[05:58] <daftykins> oic
[06:05] <daftykins> holy moly my blog got its' first legit comment in several years
[06:24] <knightwise> mornin
[06:24] <knightwise> congrats dweaver
[06:24] <knightwise> daftykins i mean
[06:35] <daftykins> knightwise: hehe thanks
[06:36] <knightwise> I think that "comments" aren't realy the thing anymore since social media came around
[06:37] <daftykins> there's comments that are possible through social media logins i guess?
[06:37] <daftykins> although what way do you mean is the primary replacement?
[06:45] <knightwise> yep
[06:46] <daftykins> if there were an article, just linking to it via the social means d'you mean?
[06:46] <daftykins> rather than comments
[06:46] <knightwise> yeah ,but that doesn't help the article I think.
[06:47] <knightwise> people nowadays share the article on social media and comment on it on those platforms
[06:47] <daftykins> indeed
[06:47] <knightwise> a petty realy because comments on the actual article enrich the content
[06:47] <knightwise> its demotivating sometimes when you blog.
[06:47] <daftykins> *nod*
[06:47] <Myrtti> oh thats nice, no death threats from that spammer
[06:48] <daftykins> mine are mostly just reports on how i solved problems
[06:48] <Myrtti> good morning
[06:50] <daftykins> hi Myrtti
[06:54] <daftykins> now, to inflict myself on others today or not
[06:54] <daftykins> that is the question
[06:54] <daftykins> i tend to be a little crazy when i've not slept
[06:54] <daftykins> TheOpenSourcerer: \o
[06:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> morning
[06:57] <knightwise> hey TheOpenSourcerer
[07:00] <daftykins> hypothetical question
[07:01] <daftykins> you're cycling in a cycle lane at the road side, it's a bi-direction cycle lane, on just one side of the road.
[07:01] <daftykins> someone is heading toward you cycling the opposite way, which side do you stick to? you're in the UK.
[07:02] <daftykins> well, technically you're on my crazy island but it's English enough that it feels like the UK
[07:02] <daftykins> any takers?
[07:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think the side nearest the motor traffic should face it. Similar to when you walk where there is no pavement.
[07:02] <knightwise> to the right
[07:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> 4 eyes better than 2 and all that.
[07:02] <knightwise> (if you are in .be)
[07:03] <daftykins> see i'd say stick to the left no matter what
[07:03] <daftykins> well, in this cycle lane situation
[07:03] <daftykins> since we're on the left on the road, why not consider the cycle lane a miniature road
[07:04] <knightwise> bidirectional cycle lane = road
[07:04] <daftykins> indeed!
[07:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> was there any [ahem] protection between the cycle lane and the main road lanes?
[07:04] <daftykins> well you're on a kerb
[07:04] <daftykins> so think of it as <road here>___|kerb, cycle lane here | pedestrian bit here |<wall>
[07:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> if there is some separation then yes, it's just another road.
[07:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> We drive on the left.
[07:05] <daftykins> i get so irate at other cyclists coming my way and them going to the right =|
[07:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> With no separation (just a white line) I'd want to do the above, nearest side faces oncoming vehicles
[07:06] <daftykins> *nod*
[07:06] <daftykins> this pales in comparison to the anger i feel when there are pedestrians walking in the cycle lane
[07:07] <daftykins> apparently the cryptic hieroglyphics depicting a bicycle and a person are just that - cryptic :>
[07:07] <knightwise> the great thing is you can run them over
[07:07] <daftykins> lmao
[07:07] <daftykins> have you got experience of that? :)
[07:07] <knightwise> watched girlfriend run another cyclist of the road once because he wouldn't budge .
[07:08] <knightwise> they were cycling side by side and thought that might girlfriend would yield.
[07:08] <knightwise> she didn't and plowed the guy into the ditch.
[07:08] <daftykins> ooooh
[07:08] <daftykins> a game of chicken
[07:08] <knightwise> while remaining upright.
[07:08] <knightwise> she actually rammed him
[07:08] <daftykins> they sound like lycra-clad roadies
[07:08] <knightwise> lol
[07:08] <daftykins> impressive!
[07:09]  * knightwise 's girlfriend (now wife) IS impressive :)
[07:09] <daftykins> ^_^
[07:09] <Nafallo> http://t.co/68iVj9GKtB ← slightly relevant ;-)
[07:10] <daftykins> the other one yesterday, was a pedestrian strolling into the cycle lane to stand and await a crossing without looking left or right beforehand
[07:10] <daftykins> naturally i expressed my sentiments on the matter O_.
[07:10] <knightwise> Case and point :  µ
[07:11] <daftykins> heh
[07:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> She is from Suffolk.
[07:11] <daftykins> oh deary me, that's the exact attitude euthanasia is here to help
[07:14] <daftykins> lol, quick delete your twitter account! that'll save the day!
[07:16] <diplo> Morning all
[07:17] <Nafallo> no evidence left if you delete the evidence ;-)
[07:17] <daftykins> heya
[07:17] <Nafallo> clearly
[07:18] <daftykins> Nafallo: sounds legit
[07:18] <daftykins> so has anyone else felt an angry phase in their lives? does it go away?
[07:18] <shauno> no.  you're now officially a grumpy old man
[07:18] <daftykins> aww :(
[07:19] <daftykins> didn't even make it to 30 before it set in
[07:19] <daftykins> this does not bode well
[07:19] <shauno> and I can't stand cycle lanes.  they just seem to complicate everything
[07:20] <daftykins> too true
[07:20] <daftykins> a 50-something guy was just killed on the one i speak of recently
[07:21] <daftykins> it's got some serious design flaws
[07:21] <shauno> cycling with traffic, at least I know what I'm supposed to do, what they're supposed to do, where the pedestrians will be, etc.  everyone has a fairly sane set of expectations from everyone else
[07:21] <daftykins> the pavement is so narrow at some points that the cycle + pedestrian lanes merge into one block
[07:21] <daftykins> shauno: indeed
[07:21] <daftykins> comment on that news story contains this: "We even have adopted a standard of unclipping from the pedals and putting a foot down every time, since the local police department objected to stopping in-place (doing a trackstand) at stops."
[07:22] <daftykins> you won't get me doing that
[07:22] <nucc1> i've played around with a few linux based network appliances that have something like "configure" where it asks you for ip, netmask and gw and does what it needs to do to /etc/network/interfaces. do we have something likethat in ubuntu?
[07:22] <daftykins> if i'm at a traffic light i quite enjoy messing about rolling back and forth staying still without using the brakes or putting a foot down
[07:22] <daftykins> nucc1: well you can configure network manager to apply static details
[07:23] <nucc1> no, i need to reconfigure my network constantly
[07:23] <nucc1> cos i use the VM for testing stuff.
[07:23] <nucc1> gets tiring to keep editing the file
[07:23] <daftykins> so it has to keep changing network?
[07:23] <nucc1> yea
[07:23] <daftykins> is there a specific set of them?
[07:23] <daftykins> you could just make a set of 'interfaces' files with each one
[07:23] <nucc1> nope
[07:23] <daftykins> ah
[07:23] <nucc1> the answer is no then.
[07:24] <nucc1> maybe i'll think about writing one...
[07:24] <daftykins> well don't assume my knowledge is complete
[07:24] <nucc1> there's always that caveat
[07:24] <daftykins> :D
[07:30] <shauno> I think I'd revert to writing one there too.  if it's always static, it's basically bash+dialog & a here doc ?
[07:31] <nucc1> yea, always static. just IP, subnet, and gw. there are often multiple interfaces though, one for management access and the other for the grunt work
[07:31] <daftykins> if they change so often you don't even need to hardcode the config surely?
[07:32] <daftykins> unless it does ever persist after reboot
[07:32] <nucc1> often here is a span of a few days.
[07:32] <nucc1> sometimes i need to power down the vm to spin something else up, having finite resources...
[07:32] <nucc1> i've been at this for like a year now,
[07:33] <nucc1> and got annoyed just now for having to do it again :p
[07:33] <daftykins> hehe
[07:33] <daftykins> i did a lot of similar stuff when doing a virt project for my degree at Uni
[07:34] <daftykins> got very handy at all the interface / route / DNS config lark that's for sure XD
[07:34] <daftykins> although deleting a default gateway tends to be the one i fudge a few times before i get it right
[07:34] <daftykins> awkward syntax on that one
[08:05] <shauno> because I'm really bored, bash/dialog network setting thingie http://pastebin.com/n9gepLEZ    (result is something like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-22%20at%2009.05.03.png  )
[08:06] <shauno> wouldn't recommend actually using it (it just prints the results to screen atm), but dialog is fun for making bad bash look convincing :)
[08:08] <Myrtti> daftykins: you're keeping yourself busy
[08:09] <daftykins> Myrtti: in #ubuntu ?
[08:09] <Myrtti> daftykins: *EVERYWHERE* :-D
[08:09] <diplo> shauno: Bitfolk VPS ?
[08:09] <daftykins> Myrtti: err... yeah a little too talkative i suppose
[08:10] <Myrtti> it's fine, I just found it funnyy
[08:10] <daftykins> shauno: nice one :)
[08:10] <daftykins> Myrtti: daftykins is far more sedate when getting adequate sleep
[08:10] <daftykins> :>
[08:11] <Myrtti> hehe
[08:11]  * Myrtti pours daftykins a glass of Crabbies from her can
[08:11] <daftykins> oh my word you have Crabbies
[08:11] <daftykins> you ma'am are my new best pal ^_^
[08:12] <daftykins> good ol' alcoholic ginger beer
[08:12] <daftykins> although 9am is a tad early to start methinks
[08:12] <daftykins> though i appreciate the sentiment...
[08:15] <Laney> i didn't know they did cans of crabbies
[08:16] <daftykins> i've only seen glass bottles
[08:16] <daftykins> but i sense that may simply be semantics
[08:18] <daftykins> Myrtti: have you tried it with lemon as the labels suggest? any preference as to with / without?
[08:18] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:18] <daftykins> heya
[08:18] <daftykins> how do?
[08:19] <Myrtti> yeah, we bought four to make ginger beer can chicken
[08:19] <Myrtti> but ended up buying a Weber beer can chicken thingie instead of using the can
[08:20] <Myrtti> daftykins: no I haven't
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy International Day for Biodiversity!  This year's theme is water and biodiversity. :-D
[08:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:22] <daftykins> Myrtti: i recommend it!
[08:22] <daftykins> hey brobostigon o/
[08:22] <brobostigon> hey daftykins
[08:22] <SuperMatt> we should start having a sweepstake for this morning things
[08:23] <daftykins> say what?
[08:23] <shauno> diplo: yeah bitfolk, I'm on my mac at work, which is a bad place to sketch out that kinda thing :)
[08:24] <SuperMatt> sorry, I was talking about JamesTait's morning "Day of ..." thing
[08:25] <daftykins> oh to guess what he'll say the next day?
[08:26] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, I'll have to find more sources then, otherwise it'd be too easy to guess. ;)
[08:28] <SuperMatt> hah, true
[08:28] <daftykins> i could've given you Liberation Day for the Channel Islands, the other week :(
[08:28] <shauno> oh dear oh dear.  "ergonomics audit".   I guess that's my fault for saying I was bored
[08:28] <daftykins> precisely
[08:29] <SuperMatt> shauno: never, ever say you're bored
[08:29] <SuperMatt> and if you are, walk around with a clipboard or something
[08:29] <SuperMatt> *look* busy
[08:30] <SuperMatt> never *be* busy
[08:30] <shauno> I'm almost always bored.  it's half the job - staring at green dots waiting for them to turn red
[08:31] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, are you dickturpin in disguise?
[08:32] <SuperMatt> not that I know of
[08:32] <SuperMatt> I'm pretty certain I'm just a regular guy
[08:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:34] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, http://identi.ca/dickturpin <-- "look busy, never be busy" sounds like something I might read there. ;)
[08:34] <daftykins> SuperMatt: pleased to meet you Mr. Turpin
[08:34] <SuperMatt> mornign bigcalm
[08:34] <SuperMatt> D:
[08:34] <SuperMatt> I'm so confused
[08:35] <bigcalm> Who let Pete in here?
[08:35] <JamesTait> bigcalm, we think SuperMatt is Pete in disguise. ;)
[08:35] <bigcalm> Haha
[08:36] <JamesTait> To be fair, there are *much* worse people to be compared to. :-P
[08:36] <bigcalm> Well, if it means more people come to the Wolves LUG. Imposters or not
[08:37] <bigcalm> JamesTait: like davmor2
[08:37] <bigcalm> Now we have to wait until 11am for him to retort
[08:37] <JamesTait> Yeah, exactly! :-P
[08:43] <SuperMatt> I feel like I'm being made fun of, but I'm not eactly sure how
[08:43] <bigcalm> SuperMatt: not to worry, the focus has sifted to davmor2 I think
[08:45] <bigcalm> And shifted
[08:47] <SuperMatt> oh god, this has just happened to me: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wisdom_of_the_ancients.png
[08:47] <SuperMatt> http://xkcd.com/979/
[08:47] <SuperMatt> literally one google result with the same error message
[08:48] <daftykins> a googlewhack eh?
[08:48] <SuperMatt> no no
[08:48] <daftykins> oh was that a single word
[08:48] <JamesTait> SuperMatt, and no answer?
[08:48] <daftykins> i forget
[08:49] <SuperMatt> lots of other "related" results, but nothing with the exact combinations
[08:49] <SuperMatt> JamesTait: pretty much
[08:49] <SuperMatt> daftykins: a google whack is supposed to be two words with one result
[08:50] <daftykins> ah
[08:50] <daftykins> i don't like that seemingly new Google style
[08:51] <SuperMatt> man, so many other websites trying to be "cool" and "maintaining" googlewhacks have clearly misconfigured their servers because google is now brining back those results in the googlewhacks, thus making them not googlewhacks any more
[08:51] <daftykins> 'hey did you mean to search for LESS words than you typed?'
[08:51] <bigcalm> FEWER
[08:51] <daftykins> oh piss off
[08:51]  * bigcalm slithers back to work
[08:52] <daftykins> be content i can spell ¬_¬
[08:53]  * SuperMatt imagines bigclam, instead of bigcalm, slithering back to work like Zoidberg
[08:53] <SuperMatt> whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop
[08:53] <daftykins> XD
[08:53] <daftykins> bigcalmclam
[08:53] <daftykins> doctor clam-berg
[08:54] <mungbean> decided i'm man enough to pull off riding a "commuter scooter"
[08:55] <bigcalm> Some people indeed know me as bigclam. christel is such a person :)
[08:55] <SuperMatt> that's how I've always read it
[08:55] <daftykins> XD
[08:57] <SuperMatt> yuck yuck yuck
[08:57] <SuperMatt> I hate logging in to our centos box
[08:57] <daftykins> aww why so?
[08:58] <SuperMatt> because it's icky
[09:01] <SuperMatt> and because it always takes me too long to unscrew my *deb head and stick on my rpm head
[09:03] <mungbean> can any clever peole tell me the difference between the following items on amazon?
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> depends.. what are the items? :P
[09:03] <mungbean> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razor-13073001-A5-Lux-Scooter/dp/B002YD7K5E
[09:03] <mungbean> and
[09:03] <mungbean> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razor-A5-Lux-Kick-Scooter/dp/B002EZZGJO
[09:04] <MartijnVdS> I think they're identical
[09:04] <SuperMatt> the size of the picture
[09:04] <mungbean> one takes 2 days extra to order
[09:04] <mungbean> and is £5 cheaper
[09:04] <mungbean> description is different slightly, but i suspect there is only one model
[09:05] <mungbean> weird eh?
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> the cheaper has no reviews
[09:05] <MartijnVdS> thoguh it's dispatched & sold by Amazon
[09:05] <mungbean> yes, odd.
[09:06] <daftykins> nobody can take you seriously talking about 'yum install' versus 'apt-get install' imo :(
[09:09] <shauno> mmmm packages  *drools*
[09:09] <daftykins> bad shauno, DOWN!
[09:11] <czajkowski> ohhh I want pancakes now!
[09:11] <Laney> we made sourdough pancakes the other day
[09:12] <Laney> they were weird/tasty
[09:12] <SuperMatt> mmmm... pancakes
[09:12] <SuperMatt> damn this diet!
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: pancake diet?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> you can eat what you want, as long as it's pancakes
[09:16] <bigcalm> Hayley has been making Slimming World pancakes. Odd but still enjoyable
[09:16] <SuperMatt> I used to make gluten free pancakes when I thought I may have been coeliacs
[09:16] <daftykins> i still have pleasant memories of Uni when my French housemates would knock on the door and say simply; "you want Crepes?"
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins:
[09:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: "No that's the next door"
[09:17] <daftykins> ^_^
[09:17] <bigcalm> Who doesn't always want crepes?
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: when they're crepe ;)
[09:17] <daftykins> i tell you, if they left the kitchen in a mess i wouldn't have taken their Crepes
[09:17] <daftykins> *whistle*
[09:18]  * bigcalm rolls his eyes
[09:19] <daftykins> tough crowd.
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: So, how long did you have to put up with their crepes?
[09:20] <daftykins> just a year
[09:24]  * bigcalm sneaks a Toy Story reference into a spec
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: to infinity, and beyond!
[09:24] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: exactly!
[09:24] <daftykins> bigcalm: ah specs! thanks for reminding me, need to tighten them before i lose a lens
[09:25] <bigcalm> daftykins: get rimless specs, far fewer bits to go wrong :)
[09:25] <daftykins> haha, they wouldn't go well with my cycling unfortunately
[09:26] <daftykins> likely break a lot more often :S
[09:26] <bigcalm> Only screws in my specs are in the hinges
[09:26] <bigcalm> Aww
[09:27] <daftykins> ah my lenses are clamped too
[09:31] <mungbean> how strange. trying to call a major chain of shops and they have a central number. nobody picks up
[09:31] <mungbean> ends up timing out after 5 mins
[09:31] <Laney> impressed you held on for that long
[09:31] <mungbean> i'm at the office
[09:31] <mungbean> just carry on working
[09:31] <daftykins> :D
[09:32] <mungbean> its as if they don't want me to buy anything from them
[09:32] <daftykins> i find that about trying to get people to do work for me on my new house
[09:32] <daftykins> there you are trying to give people work and they don't phone back O_O
[09:36] <mungbean> and why do all builders drive such flashy cars
[09:37] <daftykins> umm
[09:37] <daftykins> over here they tend to just be vans
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> white ones
[09:37] <daftykins> well, mostly white
[09:37] <daftykins> no MOT over here ;)
[09:37] <mungbean> thats their work car
[09:38] <daftykins> ja
[09:38] <daftykins> don't see their domestic ones tbh
[09:38] <mungbean> nor does the taxman :-0
[09:38] <daftykins> XD
[09:39] <daftykins> mister tax maaaaaaan
[09:39] <daftykins> i wonder if depression is abnormally high in tax workers
[09:40] <daftykins> i was told a tale the other day of how a traffic warden locally would have people spit in the faces of his kids out on the town high street of weekends
[09:40] <mgdm> w t f
[09:40] <daftykins> indeed
[09:40] <daftykins> bit extreme
[09:42] <mungbean> how would they know? small town?
[09:42] <daftykins> island
[09:42] <daftykins> yeah
[09:48] <daftykins> right i'm getting nothing done
[09:48] <daftykins> so i best depart
[09:48] <daftykins> later all \o
[09:48]  * daftykins slices some lemon and hands it to Myrtti 
[09:48] <Myrtti> namnam
[10:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: man now I need to go dig through the backlog so I know why I need to slap you silly
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <bigcalm> :D
[10:04] <bigcalm> Morning
[10:06] <davmor2> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pancakes
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> God I'm starving. Tummy is rumbling like an Oaklahoma Tornado...
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Was that not a good metaphor?
[10:07] <dogmatic69> too soon
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sorry. My bad.
[10:09] <davmor2> TheOpenSourcerer: your tummy was responsible for the Oaklahoma Tornado!  I hope you are ashamed of the damage you caused
[10:12]  * TheOpenSourcerer feels suitably chastised
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> BUt still !"£$%^&*() hungry.
[10:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Think I might need to go for an early lunch...
[10:15] <davmor2> bigcalm: your saying I'm worse than the canonmiester....... You know the next Lug meeting, I'd wear a crash helmet if I were you :P
[10:40] <bigcalm> davmor2: speaking of which, I can't make it next week. Meal out to celebrate Hayley's birthday
[10:41] <davmor2> you trying to say that sat in a pub with a bunch of geeks isn't the ideal meal out for a birthday?
[10:43] <bigcalm> I did suggest the LUG for said meal out
[10:43] <bigcalm> She didn't give me a positive look
[10:43] <mungbean> oggcamp isn't on this year, right?
[10:44] <bigcalm> mungbean: no idea. The website is a single graphic
[10:44] <mungbean> previous years, tickets have been out since end of april
[10:44] <mungbean> wifey said i can go this year if its in the south
[10:44] <mungbean> doesn't look like it will happen :(
[10:44] <bigcalm> Maybe it's later this year if it's happening
[10:44] <mungbean> since all the people involved got jobs with canonical ;)
[10:45] <bigcalm> All being 1?
[10:45] <mgdm> well, given the website says "Oggcamp 2013", I guess there's a decent chance it will happen
[10:45] <bigcalm> Some how I don't see Fab working for Canonical
[10:45] <mgdm> just because tickets were out in April before doesn't mean much
[10:50] <mgdm> Also I selfishly would prefer it not to be in the south :-)
[10:53] <bigcalm> Bring it back to Wolverhampton :D
[10:55] <davmor2> The city of dreams
[10:57] <czajkowski> are you sure that's what they call it
[10:57] <davmor2> czajkowski: yeap everyone dreams of escaping it :)
[11:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sainsbury's has Chicken Phall as a ding meal :P
[11:31] <JamesTait> bigcalm, +1 for Wolverhampton. ;)
[11:32] <JamesTait> It's a nice steady drive down the A38 for me.
[11:32] <bigcalm> JamesTait: straight along the A41 for me
[11:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Chuffing miles 'tup north for me :-(
[11:34] <Laney> JamesTait: you derby-ish then?
[11:34] <JamesTait> Laney, without the ish, yes. :)
[11:34] <Laney> yay for more east mids-ers
[11:35] <JamesTait> Laney, you're in Notts, right?
[11:35] <Laney> sure am
[11:35] <Laney> cycled to derby the other week
[11:35] <Laney> there's a cool veggie cafe place near the bus station
[11:36] <JamesTait> In Derby?  I tend not to go into town much these days.
[11:36] <JamesTait> Then again, I go to Nottingham even less!
[11:37] <Laney> http://goo.gl/maps/psHSd that
[11:38] <JamesTait> I didn't know about that place!
[11:38] <Laney> pay it a visit!
[11:39] <davmor2> Laney, JamesTait: the best thing about derby is the A38 or the way out as I like to call it ;)
[11:40] <Laney> The other time I went there recently was to get a bus straight out to Ashbourne :P
[11:40] <Laney> Derby*shire* is great
[11:41] <JamesTait> davmor2, you're just jealous of our mascot.
[11:41] <davmor2> derby is a smashing place really it's just I only ever see the A38 as I travel through it to get up North
[11:41] <JamesTait> Laney, yeah, we're quite lucky to have some great countryside very close by, and some pretty decent cycle routes too.
[11:43] <Myrtti> peterborough
[11:43] <JamesTait> davmor2, you'll have to stop by for a cuppa next time you're passing through - I'm literally 5 minutes' drive from the A38.
[11:43] <Laney> ah p-town, me home city
[11:44] <Laney> I wonder if the Met Lounge still exists
[11:44] <Wobbo> Facebook doesn't work in Empathy anymore. Any tips or just wait until this bug (if it is known) solved?
[11:44] <Laney> the "Success" thing?
[11:45] <davmor2> JamesTait: it was in my Lorry Driving days I had a lot of deliveries to Sheffield and it is the quickest route from Wolves
[11:45] <Laney> Wobbo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center-signon/+bug/1180297
[11:45] <Laney> Wobbo: there's a workaround in comment 4 there
[11:46] <davmor2> Wobbo: is there a button top right saying reauthenticate if so there is a bug for that too
[11:47] <davmor2> Wobbo: top right of empathy that is
[11:49] <JamesTait> davmor2, http://goo.gl/maps/PL7iA next time you're passing by, look me up. :)
[11:49] <Wobbo> Thanks
[11:50] <davmor2> JamesTait: that ram is just a wolf in sheeps clothing ;)
[11:50] <JamesTait> davmor2, better not bring the lorry though, we might struggle to make space for it. ;)
[11:52] <davmor2> JamesTait: Not driven one for a while I don't think my shoulder would take it :)
[11:52] <JamesTait> davmor2, I thought you were supposed to sit in the cab, not carry it! :-P
[12:18] <DanChapman> Hey guys. If i have cloned a branch in launchpad, does bzr keep it in sync with new additions/merges or do i need to regularly update my local copy?.
[12:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> DanChapman: bzr pull
[13:08] <Laney> aka "no"
[13:09] <Laney> or "no, and yes you do"
[13:09] <Laney> ;-)
[13:34] <DanChapman> TheOpenSourcerer: thats great thanks
[13:39] <mungbean> installing .net v4 on a windows machine. EULA is in a box that only shows 2 lines at a time, (or 1 line if just showing the heading)
[13:39] <mungbean> they *really* don't want you to read it
[13:47] <BigRedS> The raring installer claims to need only 5.4 GB of disk space; surely it needs more than that by default?
[13:49]  * awilkins powers up his Raring VM
[13:53] <czajkowski> BigRedS: xnox or Laney might know
[13:55] <xnox> BigRedS: 5.4 GB should be sufficient for a default installation + installing extra apps / language packs + have some space for your personal files.
[13:58] <awilkins> Hmm, my Raring VM refuses to start a desktop
[13:58]  * awilkins throws another 16MB of video ram at it
[13:59] <BigRedS> xnox: really? I was expecting LibreOffice and that sort of thing to use that much space
[13:59] <xnox> BigRedS: we are good like that.
[13:59] <awilkins> The 12.10 install fits easily onto my 8GB thumbdrive
[13:59] <BigRedS> Just wondered if it thought "Hm, no disk space, I'll not install $extraApps"
[14:00] <BigRedS> xnox: you've even got room for two online accounts thingies! :)
[14:00] <xnox> BigRedS: ideally you'd want more space, but it depends on your usage.
[14:00] <BigRedS> Yeah, I have more, I just happened to actually read the dialog for once
[14:00] <awilkins> 5.1GB used for a live install of Quantal
[14:23] <shauno> that boggles my mind.  my ubuntu VM is <300MB
[14:32] <n1md4_> hi.  does anyone what what determines the set resolution in X?  specifically if not used with a DE.
[14:34] <n1md4_> .. short back story.  I have an htpc connected to my tv, and i'm trying to launch steam, but the resolution is wrong.  xorg says 1920x1080 but what's displayed is more like 800x600, and doesn't fit the screen (if that makes sense)
[14:43] <n1md4_> ..and here is xorg.conf http://pastie.org/pastes/7931632/text
[14:48] <SuperMatt> n1md4_: what graphics drivers are you using?
[14:51] <n1md4_> SuperMatt: 304 I think
[14:51] <SuperMatt> nvidia?
[14:52] <n1md4_> sorry, yeah
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> wow.. Google+ photo search got smart
[14:55] <MartijnVdS> VERY smart
[14:56] <SuperMatt> n1md4_: I'm really not sure if I can help. It may be an issue with your TV rather than the drivers
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> you can search for "cat" and even if you never tagged a photo as containing a cat, it'll find pictures of cats
[14:56] <MartijnVdS> same with lots of other words
[14:57] <SuperMatt> that's quite cool
[14:57] <SuperMatt> one of these days I need to upload my 80ish gigs of photos to google
[14:57] <SuperMatt> still waiting on that google drive client for linux
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> I have 100G of storage on Google, because I bought the Chromebook
[14:58] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[15:01] <SuperMatt> I have 100G which I pay very little money for :)
[15:01] <SuperMatt> it's nice and cheap
[15:14] <mungbean> SuperMatt: flickr?
[15:14] <mungbean> 1tb
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: but not very well integrated with other social stuff
[15:14] <mungbean> http
[15:14] <MartijnVdS> ?
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> that's not integration, that's composition ;)
[15:16] <SuperMatt> I've never liked flickr
[15:17] <MartijnVdS> I used to, but I like Plus more now
[15:17] <SuperMatt> plus, I wanna put my pictures on drive so I can maintain the formatting
[15:17] <SuperMatt> rather than picasa
[15:17] <awilkins> Yeah, I watched Google IO and for "smart" I read "creepy"
[15:17] <awilkins> The thing processes all your photos and marks them according to how important they are to you. Including... people who are in your family. People smiling. etc.
[15:18] <SuperMatt> thing is, we all have to work out what makes our live better and what makes it worse. Does it matter that google knows I've taken pictures of a cat?
[15:18] <SuperMatt> not really
[15:18] <awilkins> Which means they are doing full fledged facial geometric reco on them all
[15:18] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: does it matter that it knows you like pictures of cats? I don't think so.
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: not just faces, also other things -- I tried "weather", "snow", "sunset", "car", "wheel", "train"
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> all worked
[15:19] <awilkins> Probably not. Does it matter that it knows you regularly associate with a particular set of people? Not until a totalitarian government decides they are worth hunting down.
[15:19] <awilkins> I agree, in a perfect world it doesn't matter at all, but I don't see a perfect world forming outside my window any time soon...
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: nobody's forcing you to use it though
[15:20] <awilkins> Indeed.
[15:20] <SuperMatt> ok, it has so far found butterfly, lion, monkey and gorilla from my trip to london zoo
[15:21] <SuperMatt> and it didn't find tiger, which I thought it might
[15:21] <SuperMatt> lemme try cat
[15:21] <SuperMatt> well, it didn't find the lion in a search for cat, but it did find dogs
[15:22] <SuperMatt> uh-huh
[15:22] <SuperMatt> it found my ex even though she's not tagged in anything
[15:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: yeah it's scary like that
[15:23] <awilkins> So many people are going to love the photo-auto-adjust
[15:24] <SuperMatt> right
[15:24] <awilkins> Try "cupcake"
[15:24] <SuperMatt> it knows which of my budgies is which
[15:24] <MartijnVdS> wut
[15:24] <awilkins> The only photo of a cupcake I have has "cupcake" in the caption
[15:24] <awilkins> So it's not really a good test
[15:24] <SuperMatt> aha
[15:25] <SuperMatt> I don't think it's as clever as all that
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> Lots of my photos don't have captions
[15:25] <MartijnVdS> they're just auto-uploaded from my phone
[15:25] <SuperMatt> so there's a gallery with my ex's name in it. I imagine that it picks names from gallery titles and captions and tries to work out what keeps reappearing.
[15:26] <SuperMatt> which is how it knows which budgie is which, simply from titles and captions
[16:24] <SuperMatt> you know what evolution needs? the ability to run just one section. So I can use it as a calendar without loading all the other components
[17:09] <diddledan> SuperMatt, I thought that was going to be a rant on the state of affairs between religion and darwinism
[18:04] <knightwise> hey guys
[18:04] <knightwise> any chance if anybody knows why my wifi card on my macbook air is so slow ?
[18:04] <knightwise> I run 12.04 and have a broadcom BCM43223
[18:04] <knightwise> 43224
[18:05] <knightwise> after a couple of minutes its start to slow down to a crawl
[18:22] <diplo> evening all
[18:56] <DJones> Does anybody use (or have tried) Insync Google Drive, I'm wondering how well it works
[18:58] <penguin42> insync?
[18:59] <DJones> Yep
[19:00] <DJones> Insync
[19:01] <penguin42> what's that?
[19:01] <DJones> Its a GDrive client for linux
[19:02] <DJones> http://www.howopensource.com/2012/11/install-insync-google-drive-client-in-ubuntu-12-10-12-04-ppa/
[19:02] <penguin42> ah
[19:09] <diddledan> DJones, I'm using it. It works fine - documents appear as microsoftie formats, but other than that it's good
[19:10] <diddledan> I lie
[19:10] <diddledan> seems they're appearing as open document format
[19:10] <diddledan> \o/ for the good guys
[19:10] <DJones> I'm just trying it out now
[19:11] <diddledan> in fact, why aren't I using that more?!
[19:11] <diddledan> it's awesome
[19:11] <DJones> Does it autostart on boot?
[19:11] <diddledan> it's started when I login I believe
[19:11] <DJones> Ta
[19:13] <diddledan> don't you love that ubuntu tells you when a "package is of bad quality"?!
[19:16] <diddledan> yeah, so google royally screwed everyone on storage costs - they used to charge $5 per YEAR for 20GB upgrade. NOW they charge $2.49 per MONTH for 25GB
[19:17] <diddledan> upping to 100GB isn't so bad tho, $4.99 per month for that
[19:19] <DJones> Hmmh, restarted but Insync didn't auto start
[19:19] <brobostigon> i just thought of a great idea, mens clothing websites, should have a section saying, "these items are approved by our customers girlfriends/wifes."
[19:19] <diddledan> might have to plop it into startup applications manually
[19:19] <diddledan> lol
[19:20] <diddledan> brobostigon, I'm sold!
[19:20] <brobostigon> diddledan: ummm,
[19:20] <diddledan> yeah, that didn't come out right
[19:20] <diddledan> I mean, I like the idea
[19:21] <shauno> they should probably have a moral obligation to let you know when it's too late to dress like you're still in college
[19:22] <diddledan> wait, it's too late?!
[19:23] <brobostigon> aint that a great idea though ?
[19:24] <shauno> it is actually a decent idea, yeah.  I'm hopeless at clothes.
[19:24] <mgdm> "Dress for the job you want." - that's why I go to work in an Iron Man suit
[19:25] <brobostigon> in that case, shouldnt i go in a sheldon suit ?
[19:25] <mgdm> hehe
[19:46] <mungbean> unity sidebar not working in this session. i could log out again...or?
[19:47] <mungbean> any other suggestion to wake it up?
[19:52] <mungbean> unity --repalce
[19:52] <mungbean> got it
[20:22] <ubuntu-gnome> hi i am trying to install ubuntu gnome. i already have ext4 partition with mint. in the live usb nautilus shows all the partitions properly including ntfs ones. but in the setup screen no partition table is shown. how do i fix this?
[21:25] <Jez> Hello.
[21:31] <Jez> Hello.  How do I get my Command Line to actually sync with the GUI?
[21:31] <Jez>  I make a directory in the command line, nothing appears in GUI.
[21:31] <Jez>  I try to go to a folder in my GUI home folder from Command Line, it says it doesn't exist.
[21:31] <Jez>  I'm confused.
[21:46] <zleap> I am logged in to bugs.launchpad.net how do I submit  bug report
[21:51] <dogmatic69> zleap: in terminal 'ubuntu-bug <app>'
[21:52] <diddledan> ergh, how do I go about getting access to a device when I've forgotten what subnet it's listening on let alone what ip address it has?!
[21:52] <zleap> i am sure i did it with the website last time
[21:52] <shauno> diddledan: go looking for it's LL ipv6 address?
[21:53] <diddledan> I don't know how to do that
[21:53] <zleap> ok
[21:54] <shauno> diddledan: "ping6 -I eth0 ff03::1" .. everything in local scope should reply.  then you can go through them one by one and see what they are :)  (unless you can remember the mac address off-hand  hehe)
[21:54] <diddledan> I've got the mac writted down in front of me - I tried arp table hacking but couldn't get a response
[21:55] <shauno> the autoconf addresses are a mutation of the mac address, so just matching up the last few chars should narrow the list a lot  (unless you have a fiendish lan)
[21:57] <shauno> this saves my hide more often than I care admit.  ping ff03::1 and ssh to the replies.  even if the v4 configuration is completely wrong  (and especially when the v4 is wrong)
[21:58] <diddledan> I'm getting zero response from that
[21:58] <diddledan> $ ping6 -I br0 ff03::1
[21:58] <diddledan> PING ff03::1(ff03::1) from 2001:470:6904:8008:58f9:16dc:5829:93f4 br0: 56 data bytes
[21:58] <diddledan> and then nada
[21:59] <shauno> ah .. bridges are a little more awkward
[21:59] <diddledan> fooey
[22:00] <diddledan> will it work on windows - I've got one of those running over yonder I can play with
[22:00] <diddledan> else I could reboot it to loonicks at a pinch
[22:00] <diddledan> I should change my spelling of that to llewnicks
[22:01] <shauno> I actually have no idea.  it should, I assume.  but I only have XP, which seems to take to ipv6 like a duck to astrophysics
[22:01] <diddledan> joy
[22:02] <shauno> what have you lost where?
[22:02] <diddledan> an access point
[22:02] <diddledan> thing is I don't think it's recoverable with a long-press on the reset button, 'cos it might be running openwrt which doesn't respond in such a manner
[22:03] <shauno> hm, that could be fun
[22:04] <shauno> would it be advertising any services?  or trying to reach any other machines?
[22:05] <diddledan> I think it's set not to do dhcp, and so it's dumb as .. well .. me
[22:06] <shauno> doesn't have to be a useful service, just anything that'd cause it to arp out for whohas/tell that'd show up in wireshark/tcpdump
[22:07] <shauno> ie, if it's got samba, it'll spend all day telling anyone who'll listen what its wins name is.  just anything that makes noise on the wire
[22:08] <diddledan> hmm, maybe the long-push reset did do something - it's showing up as SSID dd-wrt now
[22:09] <diddledan> I can't seem to connect to it tho
[22:09] <diddledan> [275995.988487] wlan0: authentication with d4:ca:6d:86:a2:2a timed out
[22:09] <shauno> I gave up on arp stuffing because most the devices at work are a pain.  they'll only respond that way if you send them a ping of a specific size.  ipv6 broadcast has become my go-to
[22:30] <daftykins> diddledan: can't connect to it via web management or wireless LAN?
[22:30] <diddledan> daftykins, yes
[22:30] <diddledan> both
[22:31] <daftykins> i think dd-wrt sometimes uses a non-standard port, no?
[22:31] <diddledan> fudge
[22:31] <daftykins> is it one you modded with dd-wrt?
[22:31] <diddledan> yeah, it's an old lafonera
[22:32] <daftykins> could be just https enabled too
[22:33] <daftykins> configuration could be locked down to wired only, directly in and not even via a switch between too
[22:33] <daftykins> *shrug* all total guesses
[22:33] <diddledan> tis all pretty academic if I can't find what IP it's listening on, though, no?
[22:33] <daftykins> oh you've got that challenge too
[22:33] <daftykins> yes indeedy ^_^
[22:34] <daftykins> 192.168.1.x subnet could be a worthwhile attempt
[22:35] <shauno> interesting.  that ipv6 broadcast ping seems to be completely useless on linux machines that have more than one interface
[22:36] <daftykins> 0o
[22:37] <shauno> machine with two nics, each connecting to a different lan.  if I ping6 -I eth0 ff03::1, it sends a ping from ipv6 address that's assigned to eth0, and gets replies
[22:37] <shauno> if I ping -I eth1 ff03::1, it sends out to eth1, but still using the address that's assigned to eth0, so replies don't come home
[22:38] <daftykins> sounds like bug talk to me!
[22:38] <daftykins> in ping6 mayhaps?
[22:39] <shauno> so I'm assuming the reason dan got no replies on br0 is because the source address (2001:..) it was using isn't assigned to br0
[22:39]  * penguin42 admits to not understanding ipv6 addressing enough - but that does sound pretty dumb
[22:39] <diddledan> got the blighter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!
[22:40] <diddledan> it's ALIVE
[22:40] <ali1234> oh hey
[22:40] <ali1234> next time just look at the mac address and insert an arp table for whatever IP you want
[22:40] <penguin42> send whats his name and whats hisname to retrieve....
[22:40] <ali1234> as long as you get the subnet right it will work
[22:41]  * penguin42 wonders where Nook got this supply of nasty USB connectors from
[22:42] <daftykins> diddledan: what was the winning IP?
[22:42] <diddledan> turns out it was actually listening on 192.168.1.1 - donno why it wasn't responding when I tried that before though - admittedly that was through an intermediary router when it didn't work
[22:43] <diddledan> mikrotik.com <-- the dude is actually pretty useful (I'll leave GPL violations discussions for another day :-p)
[22:49] <Azelphur> ali1234: I'm officially full time bitcoin now, came off the benefits, got myself a business account
[22:49] <Azelphur> :D
[22:50] <diddledan> congratulations Azelphur
[22:50] <Azelphur> ty
[22:50] <shauno> hah, okay, I'm officially an idiot.  for some reason I had ff03::1 in my bash history so went with that because it looked good.  it's ff02::1.  sigh.
[22:50] <diddledan> >.<
[22:51] <diddledan> NOW you tell me!
[22:51] <daftykins> shauno: DOH
[22:51] <Azelphur> Santander is trying to rip me for £7200 though, which is fun :P
[22:51] <shauno> that explains crazy results :|  (hey, I've been up since 4am)
[22:51] <daftykins> exciting new bug averteD?
[22:51] <shauno> sadly :(
[22:52] <shauno> diddledan: curious though, try it with ff02::1 and see if you get a fun picture of your lan?
[22:53] <diddledan> looks like 5 hosts responded
[22:54] <diddledan> maybe 6
[22:54] <shauno> do any of them end with the same ending of the mac address?  I'm curious if it would have worked if I wasn't a complete idiot :)
[22:54] <diddledan> nope, none
[22:55] <shauno> oh well
[22:56] <daftykins> why'd they end with similar MACs? bunch of same brand gear, or VMs?
[22:57] <shauno> the link-local addresses are usually generated from the mac address, so if you know the mac of the machine you're looking for, you can narrow down the list
[22:59] <diddledan> my chair is far too squeeky
[22:59] <diddledan> I think probably because I'm far too fat
[23:00] <diddledan> cuddly**
[23:08] <shauno> oh well.  I still like my little trick.  I have a script somewhere that iterates through the replies and pokes them with nc to see if/what ssh answers
[23:10] <penguin42> shauno: That's what the privacy setting is for - right?
[23:12] <shauno> no, that doesn't affect local addresses
[23:12] <diddledan> the hotspot crowd still haven't figured out how to do ipv6 with a captive portal
[23:13] <shauno> the idea behind that is that with autogenerated addresses, my IP is myprefix:mymac.  were I to connect to the same site from home, take my laptop to work, and then connect again there, they could match that the mac is identical, despite being a new IP
[23:14] <penguin42> oh ok
[23:14] <shauno> so with privacy extensions, you generate a random address for outbound connections (but still have the normal address).  so you have the predictable (autoconf) one where you need it (inbound), but don't advertise it by connecting out with it
[23:15] <penguin42> hmm ok
[23:17] <shauno> diddledan: I'd have thought that'd be quite easy?
[23:18] <diddledan> shauno, you'd think so, but for some reason there's been argument and complaints that "ipv6 won't let you NAT, therefore captive portals are impossible"
[23:19] <shauno> why does a captive portal require nat?
[23:19] <diddledan> no idea
[23:20] <daftykins> single point to transparently intercept behind maybe
[23:20] <daftykins> *shrug*
[23:20] <daftykins> but then any network should have that in the form of any gateway 0o
[23:20] <penguin42> I assume they make it respond to every IP that the victim tries to connect to
[23:21] <shauno> I'd have thought the annoyance would be that with privacy extensions, their address changes every hour so you'd keep forgetting who they are
[23:23] <shauno> but the captive part is basically port forwarding.  forward outbound 80 to the handler unless they're on 'the list'.  and you can do that by interface, not by address
[23:25] <shauno> I'm still annoyed that my lightbulbs don't have ipv6.  way to ruin a perfectly good stereotype.
[23:25] <penguin42> what do they run?
[23:25] <daftykins> shauno's bills sky-high
[23:26] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:26] <shauno> they're on zigbee, but there's an IP gateway for them.  but it only does v4
[23:26] <daftykins> aww
[23:26] <daftykins> i've been tempted by some home automation gear
[23:26] <penguin42> shauno: Can't you get a zigbee module for a PC?
[23:27] <shauno> it just strikes me as ironic that the only device in my house that doesn't do v6, is the one that'd best match the "internet of things" stereotype
[23:27] <penguin42> nod
[23:27] <penguin42> how many do you have?
[23:28] <shauno> lightbulbs? or devices  lol
[23:28] <penguin42> ip connected lightbulbs
[23:28] <shauno> three
[23:29] <penguin42> on/off or can you change colours or anything?
[23:29] <shauno> all of the above :)
[23:29] <shauno> colour/brightness/timers/etc
[23:30] <penguin42> got them wired up to anything interesting?
[23:30] <shauno> although I still haven't managed what I actually bought them for.  I want xbmc to dim the living room when I hit play, and back again when I stop/pause
[23:30] <shauno> so far, just my calender.  so the bedroom lights turn on an hour before my next shift
[23:31] <penguin42> haha
[23:31] <shauno> working on getting my coffee machine to do the same, but belkin's protocol is a lot more cumberson - the lights are just http/json
[23:31] <diddledan> HTCPCP
[23:31] <penguin42> belkins? Is it a pdu?
[23:32] <diddledan> HyperText CoffeePot Control Protocol
[23:32] <shauno> technically, but with a single socket
[23:32] <diddledan> it's a bona fide standard, dun'tcha know?!
[23:32] <shauno> this; http://www.belkin.com/us/wemo-switch
[23:33] <penguin42> US plug sockets look like they're really really scared
[23:34] <shauno> it does work with ifttt, so it'd be prety straight-forward if I was still using google calendar.  but ifttt won't connect to arbitrary caldav sites
[23:37] <shauno> xbmc is annoying me more though.  because what I've tried so far works fine from my laptop, but not on my appletv.  so it's less a case of making it work, and more an issue of figuring out just how badly python's been bludgeoned on the appletv
[23:41] <penguin42> put your own python on?
[23:42] <penguin42> ok, that's better - I can now build the nook kernel from source on my ubuntu box
[23:42] <shauno> it seems to be using one that's been bundled with xbmc, which is complicating things a lot
[23:43] <penguin42> almost as bad as Java
[23:44] <shauno> plan to just replace the box eventually, but all my silly plans move at glacial pace due to budget :/