[00:00] ah good [00:00] Ahh [00:00] Well [00:00] Thats over [00:00] bye [05:10] I wonder what inspires someone to do things like that [05:46] what's that? [05:58] daftykins: some guy during the night spammed the channel [05:58] oic [06:05] holy moly my blog got its' first legit comment in several years [06:24] mornin [06:24] congrats dweaver [06:24] daftykins i mean [06:35] knightwise: hehe thanks [06:36] I think that "comments" aren't realy the thing anymore since social media came around [06:37] there's comments that are possible through social media logins i guess? [06:37] although what way do you mean is the primary replacement? [06:45] yep [06:46] if there were an article, just linking to it via the social means d'you mean? [06:46] rather than comments [06:46] yeah ,but that doesn't help the article I think. [06:47] people nowadays share the article on social media and comment on it on those platforms [06:47] indeed [06:47] a petty realy because comments on the actual article enrich the content [06:47] its demotivating sometimes when you blog. [06:47] *nod* [06:47] oh thats nice, no death threats from that spammer [06:48] mine are mostly just reports on how i solved problems [06:48] good morning [06:50] hi Myrtti [06:54] now, to inflict myself on others today or not [06:54] that is the question [06:54] i tend to be a little crazy when i've not slept [06:54] TheOpenSourcerer: \o [06:55] morning [06:57] hey TheOpenSourcerer [07:00] hypothetical question [07:01] you're cycling in a cycle lane at the road side, it's a bi-direction cycle lane, on just one side of the road. [07:01] someone is heading toward you cycling the opposite way, which side do you stick to? you're in the UK. [07:02] well, technically you're on my crazy island but it's English enough that it feels like the UK [07:02] any takers? [07:02] I think the side nearest the motor traffic should face it. Similar to when you walk where there is no pavement. [07:02] to the right [07:02] 4 eyes better than 2 and all that. [07:02] (if you are in .be) [07:03] see i'd say stick to the left no matter what [07:03] well, in this cycle lane situation [07:03] since we're on the left on the road, why not consider the cycle lane a miniature road [07:04] bidirectional cycle lane = road [07:04] indeed! [07:04] was there any [ahem] protection between the cycle lane and the main road lanes? [07:04] well you're on a kerb [07:04] so think of it as ___|kerb, cycle lane here | pedestrian bit here | [07:04] if there is some separation then yes, it's just another road. [07:05] We drive on the left. [07:05] i get so irate at other cyclists coming my way and them going to the right =| [07:05] With no separation (just a white line) I'd want to do the above, nearest side faces oncoming vehicles [07:06] *nod* [07:06] this pales in comparison to the anger i feel when there are pedestrians walking in the cycle lane [07:07] apparently the cryptic hieroglyphics depicting a bicycle and a person are just that - cryptic :> [07:07] the great thing is you can run them over [07:07] lmao [07:07] have you got experience of that? :) [07:07] watched girlfriend run another cyclist of the road once because he wouldn't budge . [07:08] they were cycling side by side and thought that might girlfriend would yield. [07:08] she didn't and plowed the guy into the ditch. [07:08] ooooh [07:08] a game of chicken [07:08] while remaining upright. [07:08] she actually rammed him [07:08] they sound like lycra-clad roadies [07:08] lol [07:08] impressive! [07:09] * knightwise 's girlfriend (now wife) IS impressive :) [07:09] ^_^ [07:09] http://t.co/68iVj9GKtB ← slightly relevant ;-) [07:10] the other one yesterday, was a pedestrian strolling into the cycle lane to stand and await a crossing without looking left or right beforehand [07:10] naturally i expressed my sentiments on the matter O_. [07:10] Case and point : µ [07:11] heh [07:11] She is from Suffolk. [07:11] oh deary me, that's the exact attitude euthanasia is here to help [07:14] lol, quick delete your twitter account! that'll save the day! [07:16] Morning all [07:17] no evidence left if you delete the evidence ;-) [07:17] heya [07:17] clearly [07:18] Nafallo: sounds legit [07:18] so has anyone else felt an angry phase in their lives? does it go away? [07:18] no. you're now officially a grumpy old man [07:18] aww :( [07:19] didn't even make it to 30 before it set in [07:19] this does not bode well [07:19] and I can't stand cycle lanes. they just seem to complicate everything [07:20] too true [07:20] a 50-something guy was just killed on the one i speak of recently [07:21] it's got some serious design flaws [07:21] cycling with traffic, at least I know what I'm supposed to do, what they're supposed to do, where the pedestrians will be, etc. everyone has a fairly sane set of expectations from everyone else [07:21] the pavement is so narrow at some points that the cycle + pedestrian lanes merge into one block [07:21] shauno: indeed [07:21] comment on that news story contains this: "We even have adopted a standard of unclipping from the pedals and putting a foot down every time, since the local police department objected to stopping in-place (doing a trackstand) at stops." [07:22] you won't get me doing that [07:22] i've played around with a few linux based network appliances that have something like "configure" where it asks you for ip, netmask and gw and does what it needs to do to /etc/network/interfaces. do we have something likethat in ubuntu? [07:22] if i'm at a traffic light i quite enjoy messing about rolling back and forth staying still without using the brakes or putting a foot down [07:22] nucc1: well you can configure network manager to apply static details [07:23] no, i need to reconfigure my network constantly [07:23] cos i use the VM for testing stuff. [07:23] gets tiring to keep editing the file [07:23] so it has to keep changing network? [07:23] yea [07:23] is there a specific set of them? [07:23] you could just make a set of 'interfaces' files with each one [07:23] nope [07:23] ah [07:23] the answer is no then. [07:24] maybe i'll think about writing one... [07:24] well don't assume my knowledge is complete [07:24] there's always that caveat [07:24] :D [07:30] I think I'd revert to writing one there too. if it's always static, it's basically bash+dialog & a here doc ? [07:31] yea, always static. just IP, subnet, and gw. there are often multiple interfaces though, one for management access and the other for the grunt work [07:31] if they change so often you don't even need to hardcode the config surely? [07:32] unless it does ever persist after reboot [07:32] often here is a span of a few days. [07:32] sometimes i need to power down the vm to spin something else up, having finite resources... [07:32] i've been at this for like a year now, [07:33] and got annoyed just now for having to do it again :p [07:33] hehe [07:33] i did a lot of similar stuff when doing a virt project for my degree at Uni [07:34] got very handy at all the interface / route / DNS config lark that's for sure XD [07:34] although deleting a default gateway tends to be the one i fudge a few times before i get it right [07:34] awkward syntax on that one [08:05] because I'm really bored, bash/dialog network setting thingie http://pastebin.com/n9gepLEZ (result is something like https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-22%20at%2009.05.03.png ) [08:06] wouldn't recommend actually using it (it just prints the results to screen atm), but dialog is fun for making bad bash look convincing :) [08:08] daftykins: you're keeping yourself busy [08:09] Myrtti: in #ubuntu ? [08:09] daftykins: *EVERYWHERE* :-D [08:09] shauno: Bitfolk VPS ? [08:09] Myrtti: err... yeah a little too talkative i suppose [08:10] it's fine, I just found it funnyy [08:10] shauno: nice one :) [08:10] Myrtti: daftykins is far more sedate when getting adequate sleep [08:10] :> [08:11] hehe [08:11] * Myrtti pours daftykins a glass of Crabbies from her can [08:11] oh my word you have Crabbies [08:11] you ma'am are my new best pal ^_^ [08:12] good ol' alcoholic ginger beer [08:12] although 9am is a tad early to start methinks [08:12] though i appreciate the sentiment... [08:15] i didn't know they did cans of crabbies [08:16] i've only seen glass bottles [08:16] but i sense that may simply be semantics [08:18] Myrtti: have you tried it with lemon as the labels suggest? any preference as to with / without? [08:18] aloha [08:18] heya [08:18] how do? [08:19] yeah, we bought four to make ginger beer can chicken [08:19] but ended up buying a Weber beer can chicken thingie instead of using the can [08:20] daftykins: no I haven't [08:21] Good morning all, happy International Day for Biodiversity! This year's theme is water and biodiversity. :-D [08:21] good morning everyone, [08:22] Myrtti: i recommend it! [08:22] hey brobostigon o/ [08:22] hey daftykins [08:22] we should start having a sweepstake for this morning things [08:23] say what? [08:23] diplo: yeah bitfolk, I'm on my mac at work, which is a bad place to sketch out that kinda thing :) [08:24] sorry, I was talking about JamesTait's morning "Day of ..." thing [08:25] oh to guess what he'll say the next day? [08:26] SuperMatt, I'll have to find more sources then, otherwise it'd be too easy to guess. ;) [08:28] hah, true [08:28] i could've given you Liberation Day for the Channel Islands, the other week :( [08:28] oh dear oh dear. "ergonomics audit". I guess that's my fault for saying I was bored [08:28] precisely [08:29] shauno: never, ever say you're bored [08:29] and if you are, walk around with a clipboard or something [08:29] *look* busy [08:30] never *be* busy [08:30] I'm almost always bored. it's half the job - staring at green dots waiting for them to turn red [08:31] SuperMatt, are you dickturpin in disguise? [08:32] not that I know of [08:32] I'm pretty certain I'm just a regular guy [08:33] Good morning peeps :) [08:34] SuperMatt, http://identi.ca/dickturpin <-- "look busy, never be busy" sounds like something I might read there. ;) [08:34] SuperMatt: pleased to meet you Mr. Turpin [08:34] mornign bigcalm [08:34] D: [08:34] I'm so confused [08:35] Who let Pete in here? [08:35] bigcalm, we think SuperMatt is Pete in disguise. ;) [08:35] Haha [08:36] To be fair, there are *much* worse people to be compared to. :-P [08:36] Well, if it means more people come to the Wolves LUG. Imposters or not [08:37] JamesTait: like davmor2 [08:37] Now we have to wait until 11am for him to retort [08:37] Yeah, exactly! :-P [08:43] I feel like I'm being made fun of, but I'm not eactly sure how [08:43] SuperMatt: not to worry, the focus has sifted to davmor2 I think [08:45] And shifted [08:47] oh god, this has just happened to me: http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/wisdom_of_the_ancients.png [08:47] http://xkcd.com/979/ [08:47] literally one google result with the same error message [08:48] a googlewhack eh? [08:48] no no [08:48] oh was that a single word [08:48] SuperMatt, and no answer? [08:48] i forget [08:49] lots of other "related" results, but nothing with the exact combinations [08:49] JamesTait: pretty much [08:49] daftykins: a google whack is supposed to be two words with one result [08:50] ah [08:50] i don't like that seemingly new Google style [08:51] man, so many other websites trying to be "cool" and "maintaining" googlewhacks have clearly misconfigured their servers because google is now brining back those results in the googlewhacks, thus making them not googlewhacks any more [08:51] 'hey did you mean to search for LESS words than you typed?' [08:51] FEWER [08:51] oh piss off [08:51] * bigcalm slithers back to work [08:52] be content i can spell ¬_¬ [08:53] * SuperMatt imagines bigclam, instead of bigcalm, slithering back to work like Zoidberg [08:53] whoop whoop whoop whoop whoop [08:53] XD [08:53] bigcalmclam [08:53] doctor clam-berg [08:54] decided i'm man enough to pull off riding a "commuter scooter" [08:55] Some people indeed know me as bigclam. christel is such a person :) [08:55] that's how I've always read it [08:55] XD [08:57] yuck yuck yuck [08:57] I hate logging in to our centos box [08:57] aww why so? [08:58] because it's icky [09:01] and because it always takes me too long to unscrew my *deb head and stick on my rpm head [09:03] can any clever peole tell me the difference between the following items on amazon? [09:03] depends.. what are the items? :P [09:03] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razor-13073001-A5-Lux-Scooter/dp/B002YD7K5E [09:03] and [09:03] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razor-A5-Lux-Kick-Scooter/dp/B002EZZGJO [09:04] I think they're identical [09:04] the size of the picture [09:04] one takes 2 days extra to order [09:04] and is £5 cheaper [09:04] description is different slightly, but i suspect there is only one model [09:05] weird eh? [09:05] the cheaper has no reviews [09:05] thoguh it's dispatched & sold by Amazon [09:05] yes, odd. [09:06] nobody can take you seriously talking about 'yum install' versus 'apt-get install' imo :( === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:09] mmmm packages *drools* [09:09] bad shauno, DOWN! [09:11] ohhh I want pancakes now! [09:11] we made sourdough pancakes the other day [09:12] they were weird/tasty [09:12] mmmm... pancakes [09:12] damn this diet! [09:13] SuperMatt: pancake diet? [09:13] you can eat what you want, as long as it's pancakes [09:16] Hayley has been making Slimming World pancakes. Odd but still enjoyable [09:16] I used to make gluten free pancakes when I thought I may have been coeliacs [09:16] i still have pleasant memories of Uni when my French housemates would knock on the door and say simply; "you want Crepes?" [09:16] daftykins: [09:16] daftykins: "No that's the next door" [09:17] ^_^ [09:17] Who doesn't always want crepes? [09:17] bigcalm: when they're crepe ;) [09:17] i tell you, if they left the kitchen in a mess i wouldn't have taken their Crepes [09:17] *whistle* [09:18] * bigcalm rolls his eyes [09:19] tough crowd. [09:20] daftykins: So, how long did you have to put up with their crepes? [09:20] just a year [09:24] * bigcalm sneaks a Toy Story reference into a spec [09:24] bigcalm: to infinity, and beyond! [09:24] MartijnVdS: exactly! [09:24] bigcalm: ah specs! thanks for reminding me, need to tighten them before i lose a lens [09:25] daftykins: get rimless specs, far fewer bits to go wrong :) [09:25] haha, they wouldn't go well with my cycling unfortunately [09:26] likely break a lot more often :S [09:26] Only screws in my specs are in the hinges [09:26] Aww [09:27] ah my lenses are clamped too [09:31] how strange. trying to call a major chain of shops and they have a central number. nobody picks up [09:31] ends up timing out after 5 mins [09:31] impressed you held on for that long [09:31] i'm at the office [09:31] just carry on working [09:31] :D [09:32] its as if they don't want me to buy anything from them [09:32] i find that about trying to get people to do work for me on my new house [09:32] there you are trying to give people work and they don't phone back O_O [09:36] and why do all builders drive such flashy cars [09:37] umm [09:37] over here they tend to just be vans [09:37] white ones [09:37] well, mostly white [09:37] no MOT over here ;) [09:37] thats their work car [09:38] ja [09:38] don't see their domestic ones tbh [09:38] nor does the taxman :-0 [09:38] XD [09:39] mister tax maaaaaaan [09:39] i wonder if depression is abnormally high in tax workers [09:40] i was told a tale the other day of how a traffic warden locally would have people spit in the faces of his kids out on the town high street of weekends [09:40] w t f [09:40] indeed [09:40] bit extreme [09:42] how would they know? small town? [09:42] island [09:42] yeah [09:48] right i'm getting nothing done [09:48] so i best depart [09:48] later all \o [09:48] * daftykins slices some lemon and hands it to Myrtti [09:48] namnam [10:03] bigcalm: man now I need to go dig through the backlog so I know why I need to slap you silly [10:03] Morning all [10:04] :D [10:04] Morning [10:06] Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm pancakes [10:07] God I'm starving. Tummy is rumbling like an Oaklahoma Tornado... [10:07] Was that not a good metaphor? [10:07] too soon [10:07] Sorry. My bad. [10:09] TheOpenSourcerer: your tummy was responsible for the Oaklahoma Tornado! I hope you are ashamed of the damage you caused [10:12] * TheOpenSourcerer feels suitably chastised [10:12] BUt still !"£$%^&*() hungry. [10:13] Think I might need to go for an early lunch... [10:15] bigcalm: your saying I'm worse than the canonmiester....... You know the next Lug meeting, I'd wear a crash helmet if I were you :P === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [10:40] davmor2: speaking of which, I can't make it next week. Meal out to celebrate Hayley's birthday [10:41] you trying to say that sat in a pub with a bunch of geeks isn't the ideal meal out for a birthday? === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:43] I did suggest the LUG for said meal out [10:43] She didn't give me a positive look [10:43] oggcamp isn't on this year, right? [10:44] mungbean: no idea. The website is a single graphic [10:44] previous years, tickets have been out since end of april [10:44] wifey said i can go this year if its in the south [10:44] doesn't look like it will happen :( [10:44] Maybe it's later this year if it's happening [10:44] since all the people involved got jobs with canonical ;) [10:45] All being 1? [10:45] well, given the website says "Oggcamp 2013", I guess there's a decent chance it will happen [10:45] Some how I don't see Fab working for Canonical [10:45] just because tickets were out in April before doesn't mean much [10:50] Also I selfishly would prefer it not to be in the south :-) [10:53] Bring it back to Wolverhampton :D [10:55] The city of dreams [10:57] are you sure that's what they call it [10:57] czajkowski: yeap everyone dreams of escaping it :) [11:21] Sainsbury's has Chicken Phall as a ding meal :P [11:31] bigcalm, +1 for Wolverhampton. ;) [11:32] It's a nice steady drive down the A38 for me. [11:32] JamesTait: straight along the A41 for me [11:33] Chuffing miles 'tup north for me :-( [11:34] JamesTait: you derby-ish then? [11:34] Laney, without the ish, yes. :) [11:34] yay for more east mids-ers [11:35] Laney, you're in Notts, right? [11:35] sure am [11:35] cycled to derby the other week [11:35] there's a cool veggie cafe place near the bus station [11:36] In Derby? I tend not to go into town much these days. [11:36] Then again, I go to Nottingham even less! [11:37] http://goo.gl/maps/psHSd that [11:38] I didn't know about that place! [11:38] pay it a visit! [11:39] Laney, JamesTait: the best thing about derby is the A38 or the way out as I like to call it ;) [11:40] The other time I went there recently was to get a bus straight out to Ashbourne :P [11:40] Derby*shire* is great [11:41] davmor2, you're just jealous of our mascot. [11:41] derby is a smashing place really it's just I only ever see the A38 as I travel through it to get up North [11:41] Laney, yeah, we're quite lucky to have some great countryside very close by, and some pretty decent cycle routes too. [11:43] peterborough [11:43] davmor2, you'll have to stop by for a cuppa next time you're passing through - I'm literally 5 minutes' drive from the A38. [11:43] ah p-town, me home city [11:44] I wonder if the Met Lounge still exists [11:44] Facebook doesn't work in Empathy anymore. Any tips or just wait until this bug (if it is known) solved? [11:44] the "Success" thing? [11:45] JamesTait: it was in my Lorry Driving days I had a lot of deliveries to Sheffield and it is the quickest route from Wolves [11:45] Wobbo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center-signon/+bug/1180297 [11:45] Ubuntu bug 1180297 in gnome-control-center-signon (Ubuntu) "Opening facebook "Success" page in external browser" [Undecided,Confirmed] [11:45] Wobbo: there's a workaround in comment 4 there [11:46] Wobbo: is there a button top right saying reauthenticate if so there is a bug for that too [11:47] Wobbo: top right of empathy that is [11:49] davmor2, http://goo.gl/maps/PL7iA next time you're passing by, look me up. :) [11:49] Thanks [11:50] JamesTait: that ram is just a wolf in sheeps clothing ;) [11:50] davmor2, better not bring the lorry though, we might struggle to make space for it. ;) [11:52] JamesTait: Not driven one for a while I don't think my shoulder would take it :) [11:52] davmor2, I thought you were supposed to sit in the cab, not carry it! :-P === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [12:18] Hey guys. If i have cloned a branch in launchpad, does bzr keep it in sync with new additions/merges or do i need to regularly update my local copy?. === ndevuk is now known as pnode [12:37] DanChapman: bzr pull === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:08] aka "no" [13:09] or "no, and yes you do" [13:09] ;-) === RadiumCat is now known as HennaK [13:34] TheOpenSourcerer: thats great thanks [13:39] installing .net v4 on a windows machine. EULA is in a box that only shows 2 lines at a time, (or 1 line if just showing the heading) [13:39] they *really* don't want you to read it [13:47] The raring installer claims to need only 5.4 GB of disk space; surely it needs more than that by default? [13:49] * awilkins powers up his Raring VM [13:53] BigRedS: xnox or Laney might know [13:55] BigRedS: 5.4 GB should be sufficient for a default installation + installing extra apps / language packs + have some space for your personal files. [13:58] Hmm, my Raring VM refuses to start a desktop [13:58] * awilkins throws another 16MB of video ram at it [13:59] xnox: really? I was expecting LibreOffice and that sort of thing to use that much space [13:59] BigRedS: we are good like that. [13:59] The 12.10 install fits easily onto my 8GB thumbdrive [13:59] Just wondered if it thought "Hm, no disk space, I'll not install $extraApps" [14:00]