[00:51] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] Window Managers instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[01:54] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[02:09] <valorie> damn it, why does he ping me then leave?
[03:16] <ahoneybun> valorie: ping
[03:17] <valorie> finally!
[03:17] <valorie> I kept replying, and you were gone
[03:18] <valorie> how's it going, aaron?
[03:18] <valorie> connection problems?
[03:20] <ahoneybun> sorry I was hanging with the girlfriend 
[03:20] <valorie> ahoneybun: after you pinged me earlier, Darkwing and I had a discussion, which I asked him to take to the mail list
[03:21] <ahoneybun> mail list for?
[03:21] <valorie> hey, girlfriend over docs, any day of the week!
[03:21] <valorie> telling everyone our plans
[03:21] <ahoneybun> well I still like working on them
[03:21] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:21] <valorie> so we can all know the direction we're headed
[03:21] <valorie> some folks don't hang out in IRC much
[03:22] <ahoneybun> ok you said to think about how I wanted to get this worked out
[03:22] <valorie> so really it was good to get a discussion going on the list
[03:22] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[03:22] <ahoneybun> true these timezones are really stopping the work 
[03:22] <valorie> very cool
[03:23] <ahoneybun> thats how I thought it was going to fo
[03:23] <ahoneybun> go
[03:23] <valorie> I noticed that before I got on, someone was asking permission to fix typos!
[03:23] <valorie> I want everyone in the channel to be clear that of course, fix typos
[03:23] <ahoneybun> if I missed something go right ahead
[03:23] <ahoneybun> yea just that
[03:24] <ahoneybun> that is how I heard darkwing talking about it
[03:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: can you read Darkwing's email and respond, linking to your pretty page?
[03:24] <ahoneybun> in our video chat
[03:24] <ahoneybun> ahoneybun: email him a link?
[03:24] <valorie> I think he's changed his mind a bit from our discussion in the hangout
[03:25] <ahoneybun> I think so too, since it seems to me web slice will not scroll
[03:25] <valorie> to the list, so the whole devel list is kept up-to-date on our discussion
[03:25] <valorie> yeah
[03:25] <ahoneybun> the kubunt-devel one?
[03:25] <valorie> I think webslice won't work well enough for our purposes
[03:25] <valorie> yes, kubuntu-devel
[03:26] <ahoneybun> k
[03:27] <ahoneybun> sent
[03:27] <ahoneybun> also valorie did you get my email?>
[03:28] <valorie> let me check
[03:28] <ahoneybun> ok
[03:29] <valorie> I see that you sent a brief mail to -devel
[03:29] <ahoneybun> yes
[03:29] <ahoneybun> is that not corrent?
[03:29] <ahoneybun> correct?
[03:29] <valorie> yes, I don't see one from you to me, though
[03:29] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[03:30] <ahoneybun> that's fine
[03:30] <valorie> I would like to see a reply from you to david too
[03:30] <valorie> responding to his approach
[03:30] <valorie> I will also respond to his email
[03:30] <valorie> and maybe we can get a good discussion going
[03:30] <ahoneybun> to him
[03:30] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:30] <ahoneybun> what
[03:31] <valorie> have you used lists much?
[03:31] <ahoneybun> a bit
[03:31] <valorie> ok, it's important to reply to emails if you want a discussion
[03:31] <valorie> rather than sending an independent email
[03:32] <valorie> because of threading
[03:32] <valorie> so people can see the discussion thread, and follow it
[03:32] <ahoneybun> so I don't use the lists email?
[03:32] <valorie> what?
[03:32] <ahoneybun> but I sent a email to the list
[03:32] <valorie> you did
[03:32] <valorie> but it isn't a reply to david's email
[03:33] <valorie> yours may be missed, because it won't be threaded with his
[03:34] <ahoneybun> I'm not sure what email your talking
[03:34] <valorie> if you ever use list archives, you'll see what I mean
[03:34] <ahoneybun> sorry
[03:34] <ahoneybun> I did not use the right issue?
[03:35] <valorie> yes, you used the right issue, if by that you mean a good subject line
[03:35] <ahoneybun> no like vol 101 issue 21
[03:36] <valorie> I just want you to use your email client's "reply to list" function to reply to David's email to the list about the docs
[03:36] <valorie> ok, now I'm hopelessly confused
[03:36] <ahoneybun> I just have a reply button
[03:36] <valorie> when you use the reply button, does it reply to the list, or only to the person?
[03:37] <ahoneybun> I see a email from you about the meeting talking about the docs
[03:37] <ahoneybun> list
[03:37] <valorie> cool, that's good
[03:37] <valorie> david wonderly's email was called Kubuntu Docs
[03:38] <ahoneybun> the subject>
[03:38] <ahoneybun> ?
[03:39] <valorie> yes
[03:40] <ahoneybun> I don;t see it 
[03:40] <ahoneybun> what issue is it
[03:40] <ahoneybun> vol
[03:40] <valorie> sec, I'll be right back
[03:44] <ahoneybun> k
[03:57] <ScottK> valorie: He may be on a digest subscription.
[03:58] <ahoneybun> ScottK: me? I might be it
[03:58] <ScottK> Yes.  You.
[03:58] <ahoneybun> I am
[04:03] <ScottK> That makes it a little harder to reply to individual messages.
[04:03] <ScottK> It's a pretty low volume list, you might switch to individual messages.
[04:03] <ScottK> Then it'll be easier and you'll see new message sooner.
[04:03] <ahoneybun> I turned off digest
[04:12] <valorie> great!
[04:12] <ahoneybun> ?
[04:12] <valorie> digest is only good for scanning
[04:13] <valorie> worthless for discussion
[04:13] <ahoneybun> ok
[04:18] <ahoneybun> did you get it?>
[04:19] <ahoneybun> valorie: did you check the trello?
[04:19] <valorie> did I get what?
[04:20] <valorie> yay, now I see your email
[04:20] <valorie> i'll check trello in a sec
[04:20] <ahoneybun> the list one?
[04:20] <valorie> hmm, you sent two identical emails
[04:20] <valorie> oh, well
[04:21] <ahoneybun> yea my bad
[04:21] <valorie> I know that lists are old tech
[04:21] <valorie> but I've been using them since before the web was invented
[04:22] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[04:22] <valorie> before spam!
[04:22] <ahoneybun> its still good to me
[04:22] <valorie> kde and ubuntu both do a good job taking care of their lists
[04:23] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:24] <ahoneybun> I want to know what you think of the way the basic page is layed out
[04:26] <valorie> I like it
[04:27] <valorie> however, I think we need to focus on agreeing on our bare bones doc content, and get that written
[04:27] <valorie> then we can choose the best form-factor for that
[04:28] <ahoneybun> what like how I have the design on the main page?
[04:28] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:28] <valorie> I did some editing the other night
[04:28] <valorie> but I feel a bit unfocussed until we all agree on a direction
[04:29] <ahoneybun> yea I really want to have trello and other ways to get that part layed out
[04:29] <ahoneybun> I do too, I don't know for sure where to put my efforts
[04:29] <valorie> and I think that needs to be done on the list
[04:30] <ahoneybun> yea
[04:30] <ahoneybun> but use some graphics as well (I work better with those)
[04:31] <valorie> sure, we can attach images
[04:32] <ahoneybun> so you sent it right to the list?
[04:32] <valorie> you can attach images
[04:32] <valorie> to your posts
[04:34] <ahoneybun> so I'm using the list right?
[04:34] <valorie> so for instance you can send https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=kubuntu-docs-plan.png to the list as well as the link to the page
[04:38] <ahoneybun> but do I sent the right email to the list
[04:39] <ahoneybun> 8did
[04:39] <ahoneybun> *did
[04:39] <ahoneybun> *send
[04:39] <valorie> you sent to the list, but didn't yet reply to darkwing's post
[04:40] <ahoneybun> I never saw his post because of the digest mode
[04:40] <valorie> damn
[04:40] <valorie> ok
[04:41] <ahoneybun> I think
[04:41] <ahoneybun> anyway post to the list and I'll post to your;s?
[04:43] <valorie> cool
[04:43] <valorie> I'll leave his entire quote, then
[04:43] <valorie> so you can see all of it
[04:43] <ahoneybun> ok awesome, I need to get off soon
[04:43] <valorie> sweet dreams, aaron
[04:44] <ahoneybun> thanks see ya
[06:12] <soee> good morning
[07:57] <debfx> ScottK: I have some changes staged in the colibri packaging repo. Once I've uploaded those we can merge the package. It uses a different binary package name so we have to add a transitional package.
[08:10] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [982889] X trying to start before plymouth has finished using the drm driver @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/982889 (by Tomas Vanderka)
[08:15] <jdrab> hi guys 
[08:15] <jdrab> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-28843 this was fixed?
[08:17] <jdrab> oh it's already reported for 13.04 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/1173138
[08:19] <jdrab> [10:27] <jdrab> hi guys, it looks like this bug is present in kubuntu 13.04 https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-28843 should i report it? or will it be resolved automatically ?
[08:19] <jdrab> [10:33] <shadeslayer> jdrab: it'll be fixed when Qt releases the next bug fix revision and we package it
[08:19] <jdrab> [10:34] <jdrab> shadeslayer: ty
[08:19] <jdrab> irc log from 23.01.2013 :D
[08:20] <shadeslayer> unless we patch it first
[08:21] <Peace-> ah new laptop kubutnu has recognized all 
[08:21] <Peace-> it a bit a pain to install it btw
[08:21] <shadeslayer> UEFI?
[08:21] <Peace-> shadeslayer: : yes but i have disabled it :D now i am install it 
[08:22] <shadeslayer> yeah, UEFI is a bit of an issue at the moment
[08:22] <Peace-> btw if i disable it ... i can't boot to windows 
[08:22] <Peace-> :S
[08:22]  * Peace- windows 8 is crap
[08:31] <Peace-> shadeslayer: i am a bit scared now :D it says guided resize sci1 partition 6 , that is the partition that i have resized for linux
[08:31] <Riddell> merge merge
[08:31] <Peace-> but then ... i can't see partition 7
[08:31] <palasso> ahoneybun, on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs/Welcome on section Linux it says: "The term "GNU/Linux" is another way of referring to the Linux kernel; because the Linux Kernel was created with many components from the GNU Project."
[08:31] <Peace-> i mean in the grey bar
[08:31] <Peace-> xD
[08:32] <Riddell> palasso: eek, must change that before RMS find out!
[08:32] <palasso> Which is imprecise because the term GNU/Linux is another way of referring to linux distros not to linux kernel
[08:33] <palasso> Riddell, lol
[08:34] <Riddell> palasso: it's a wiki, please edit :)
[08:35] <palasso> Riddell, I edited typos I found but I am reluctant to edit other people's work before asking them
[08:36] <Peace-> Riddell: in the installer i never used guided stuff for hard disk ...  but with uefi stuff it should work ?
[08:36] <Peace-> Riddell: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/23/100_0149.JPG i can't see the sd7 partition but it says it will resize partition 6
[08:36] <Peace-> i am scared :D
[08:36] <Riddell> Peace-: ksnapshot for the win!
[08:36] <Peace-> :D
[08:36] <palasso> btw I'm not a Kubuntu member, just a user
[08:37] <Riddell> Peace-: I've only done manual setup for uefi
[08:37] <Riddell> Peace-: if you know what partition to install to then install to that manually
[08:37] <Peace-> ok 
[08:37] <Peace-> i did manual partition everytime 
[08:37] <Peace-> but after i did it seems there is a problem with the boot manager
[08:37] <Peace-> anyway  i will try again
[08:38] <Peace-> -.- installer crashed
[08:40] <Peace-> file usr/lib/ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/PartitionModel.py line 111 in parent parentitme = childItem.parent() AttributeErrro : Partition object has no attribute parent
[08:40] <Riddell> wibble
[08:40] <Riddell> Peace-: please file a bug with "ubuntu-bug ubiquity"
[08:40] <Peace-> well everything is closed :D
[08:40] <Riddell> Peace-: it'll attach the logs
[08:40]  * Peace- reboot
[08:41] <Peace-> Riddell: black screen
[08:41] <Riddell> wibble
[08:41] <Peace-> i did install kubuntu directly instead of try kubuntu
[08:41] <Riddell> oh I see
[08:42] <Riddell> sort out ubiquity's bug reporting for that on the todo :(
[08:42] <Peace-> i can't wait to install kubuntu and forget windows 8
[08:43] <Peace-> btw i like the new installer 
[08:45] <apachelogger> windows 8 has a new installer?
[08:45] <Peace-> xD
[08:45] <Peace-> apachelogger: i meant the kubuntu one
[08:46] <Peace-> i did not used yours installer for a while i used always the mini iso stuff
[08:53] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm curious, what's the word on the streets in server's hood about MariaDB?
[09:03] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1173138] QT 4.8.4 bug: Arabic-indic numerals instead of Arabic numerals in Slovak localization @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1173138 (by phjr)
[09:07] <peace-vaio> mmm Riddell http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/23/plasma-desktopaL6776.png
[09:08] <Riddell> um, wibble
[09:08] <Riddell> xnox: any ideas on that?  is it something the gtk frontend would already handle?
[09:10] <Riddell> I'd think the free space of 1MB and the fat32 of 272MB would be relevant to that
[09:11]  * Peace- user peace-vaio is scared
[09:11] <Peace-> xD
[09:13] <xnox> Riddell: hm?! sorry what's up?
[09:16] <Peace-> xnox: i guess it's this http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/23/plasma-desktopaL6776.png
[09:16] <Peace-> xnox: but i could be wrogn
[09:17] <xnox> Riddell: Peace- : no idea. Ask on #ubuntu-installer? Is that UEFI in "confusing plain english"?
[09:21] <soee> hiho
[09:29] <apachelogger> we now have 29 todo cards :(
[09:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: for 13.10?
[09:29] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:30] <apachelogger> if the number keeps rising we should think about a different workflow
[09:31] <apachelogger> also I am now out of labels, a card can now have all the colors of the rainbow
[09:32] <Peace-> Riddell: solved i just asked in ubuntu installer channel and they said i needed to create a new partiton called reservered bios boot area
[09:32] <Peace-> and the installation is going on 
[09:33] <Riddell> Peace-: did you wipe over another partition to create that?
[09:33] <Peace-> i resized /
[09:33]  * apachelogger downloads map of paris
[09:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: got a phonon sprint in paris?
[09:34] <apachelogger> aye
[09:34] <Peace-> btw there is an option in the installer so you do not need to choose filesystem and mount point
[09:34] <apachelogger> another chance to get lost at CDG
[09:34] <Riddell> apachelogger: gonnae plug in some usb headphones and get them to be recognised by default
[09:35] <Riddell> Peace-: what option is that?
[09:35] <Peace-> Riddell: you know where you choose filesystem ? 
[09:36] <Riddell> mm hmm
[09:36] <Peace-> in that combobox
[09:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: that's working :P
[09:36] <Peace-> there is reservered bios boot area
[09:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: with a lower priority than my built in speakers
[09:36] <Peace-> instead of ext3 ext4 etc
[09:36] <valorie> palasso: please edit for clarity, correctness and whatever else you like
[09:36] <palasso> ok ;)
[09:36] <valorie> that's how foss works 
[09:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: because both are active
[09:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: plug kmix panel popup doesn't let me adjust it
[09:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: plus kmix panel popup doesn't let me adjust it
[09:37] <apachelogger> that's cause kmix is crap
[09:37] <valorie> ok, doctor who is over, I'm going to bed
[09:37] <apachelogger> which is why tdfischer is rewriting it :P
[09:37] <apachelogger> valorie: nite
[09:37] <Riddell> valorie: there's a new doctor!
[09:37] <apachelogger> or an old one
[09:37] <Riddell> a forgotten one
[09:37] <Riddell> how did we forget?
[09:38] <valorie> I'm a few eps behind
[09:38] <Riddell> oh um la la, ignore me
[09:38] <valorie> I just finished Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS
[09:38] <valorie> so no spoilers!
[09:38] <valorie> season is over, but I try to stretch it out!
[09:39] <valorie> I have a ton of old ones, as early as 1973
[09:39] <apachelogger> Riddell SPOILERED
[09:39] <apachelogger> :@
[09:41] <Riddell> valorie can be our river song and tut against spoilers
[09:43] <apachelogger> so many unread useless mails -.-
[09:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: I closed the election board
[09:45]  * Peace- boots into kubuntu
[09:46]  * Riddell holds breath
[09:46]  * Peace- is running kubuntu
[09:47] <Peace-> :) everything works 
[09:48] <apachelogger> \o/
[09:48] <Riddell> Peace-: yay!
[09:48] <Peace-> every damned device 
[09:48] <Riddell> Peace-: the real test is if you can boot into windows then back into kubuntu
[09:48] <Peace-> no i can't boot to windows :D
[09:48] <Riddell> um
[09:48] <Peace-> but i really don't care
[09:48] <Riddell> hmm, that's hardly an ideal install experience
[09:48] <Peace-> Riddell: on ubuntu-installler they said to re-enable uefi
[09:49] <Peace-> i have disabled because kubntu failed to boot with it
[09:49] <soee> agateau, 
[09:50] <Riddell> Peace-: oh you're just using legacy bios fallback?
[09:50] <Peace-> Riddell: yes
[09:50] <agateau> soee,
[09:50]  * Peace- is booting windows
[09:51]  * Peace- works
[09:51] <Peace-> xD
[09:51] <Riddell> Peace-: hmm but now can you boot into kubuntu?
[09:51] <Peace-> Riddell: i guess no but i don't care of that crap called windows 8 really a system thinked with the ass sorry for the rude words 
[09:51] <Peace-> ahahha
[09:52] <Peace-> but lets test it 
[09:52] <soee> agateau, thank you for the work you put in homerun :) works perfect now
[09:52] <Peace-> agateau: btw can it be javascripted?
[09:53] <agateau> soee: thanks
[09:53] <agateau> Peace-: define "javascripted"
[09:53] <Peace-> Riddell: no riddel i can't :D it just starts windows
[09:53] <Peace-> agateau:  do you know desktop console ? 
[09:54] <Peace-> agateau: i did a lots of panels and activities with javascript
[09:54] <agateau> Peace-: no, I don't know this
[09:54] <Peace-> using widgets customized, i mean settings 
[09:54] <soee> agateau, this one goes for you: http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/citizen_cane.gif  :D
[09:54] <Peace-> agateau: mm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWNkHOA56O4
[09:55] <agateau> soee: heh, don't make me blush :)
[09:55] <Peace-> agateau: if you can add javascript support i can customize homerun in the plasma init javascript 
[09:56]  * Peace- goes to eat something
[09:56] <agateau> Peace-: I am not working on Homerun anymore
[10:10] <Peace-> agateau: it's ok 
[10:11] <Peace-> Riddell: btw it should work even with uefi activated ?
[10:12] <Peace-> because i tried with that but ... after some time it was blocked in a black screen 
[10:24] <yofel> Peace-: 13.04 not, we don't have the signed kernel on the img
[10:24] <yofel> *image
[10:29] <Peace-Vaio> :) i am happy anyway 
[10:29] <Peace-Vaio> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/23/plasma-desktopaL2185.png
[10:44] <Riddell> yofel: the signed kernel shouldn't matter on most machines as I understand it, shim is the important bit
[10:45] <Riddell> but colin will add the signed kernel to our saucy and precise images now for machine that need it
[10:50] <yofel> hmmm, could be, yeah
[10:51] <yofel> what's the precise status for the hardware enablement stack btw.?
[10:53] <Riddell> yofel: colin also took work items to ensure that's up to scratch
[10:53] <yofel> great :)
[10:53] <Riddell> a nice chap for sure
[10:56] <Peace-Vaio> :D this laptop works 100%  omg it's a dream
[11:51] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:36] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[12:39] <ScottK> Riddell: MariaDB versus MySQL is a matter of some controversy.  Increasingly Oracle is maintaining MySQL in less transparanet ways, but it's still the standard you have to be compatible with.  A few distros have switched to MariaDB as their default MySQL, but they are generally considered "adventurous" .
[13:29] <Quintasan> \o
[13:30] <soee> /*
[13:46] <Riddell> ScottK: libboost-python-dev doesn't havea versioned one?
[13:46] <ScottK> ?
[13:48] <Riddell> ScottK: most boost packages have a versioned package no?
[13:48] <ScottK> Yes.
[13:48] <Riddell> but that one doesn't?
[13:48] <ScottK> They all do.  The unversioned one is just a dependency package
[13:49] <ScottK> No?  Why do you say this?
[13:49] <Riddell> ah hah, it does
[13:49] <Riddell> cos I was doing my apt-cache search wrong
[13:49] <Riddell> it's libboost-python1.53-dev
[13:49] <ScottK> Ah.
[13:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: kdepimlibs patch for the imap thingy http://paste.kde.org/749594/
[13:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[13:55] <apachelogger> I'd like to mention again that this prevents the crash but since we do not know why it gets repeated ssl errors that will not solve the underlying problem
[13:55] <apachelogger> s/ssl/socket
[13:55] <ScottK> Got it.
[14:02] <ScottK> Uploaded to my PPA.  I'll give it a try once it's built.
[14:21] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: ping
[14:29] <soee> what am i missing here: http://pastebin.com/Qbryiy4G ?
[14:35] <shadeslayer> soee: what are you trying to build?
[14:36] <soee> shadeslayer, homerun 1.0
[14:36] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get build-dep homerun
[14:38] <soee> shadeslayer, how this work ?
[14:39] <soee> if i have downloaded sources i should run it in eny specific direcotry ?
[14:39] <shadeslayer> no, just run it anywhere
[14:39] <shadeslayer> read the man page for an explanation
[14:39] <soee> shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/gWz9RasG
[14:40] <shadeslayer> 0.o 
[14:40] <soee> yes my face looked like that few seconds ago
[14:40] <shadeslayer> apt-cache policy libkwinglesutils1
[14:44] <Darkwing> Homerun 1.0 is in the PPA now.
[14:44] <Darkwing> fwiw
[14:44] <soee> where ?
[14:44] <soee> i see 0.3 only
[14:44] <Darkwing> soee: Give me a sec.
[14:44] <Darkwing> It updated this morning for me.
[14:45] <Darkwing> https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun
[14:46] <Darkwing> http://paste.kde.org/749636/
[14:47] <Darkwing> http://imm.io/172hi
[14:48] <Darkwing> So, the ppa will upgrade to 1.0
[14:49] <soee> oO
[14:50] <soee> https://launchpad.net/~blue-shell/+archive/homerun
[14:50] <soee> i see only 0.3 and cant pgrade to 1.0
[14:50] <Darkwing> Yeah, I know... I only see 0.3 too, but it upgraded for me.
[14:51] <Darkwing> It was in my updates this morning.
[14:51] <soee> if i clink on my kestop to check homerun version
[14:51] <soee> i se 0.2.1
[14:52] <Darkwing> It came through with the upgrade && dist-upgrade
[14:53] <soee> Darkwing, you are on Raring ?
[14:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[14:53] <Darkwing> soee: Yes
[14:53] <soee> oO
[14:53] <soee> hiho lordievader 
[14:54] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you?
[14:55] <soee> as always full of energy and working :D
[14:55] <lordievader> :)
[14:58] <soee> shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/XhqQpjRX
[15:02] <shadeslayer> :S
[15:02] <shadeslayer> soee: what about libkwinactiveglesutils1
[15:03] <soee> shadeslayer, http://pastebin.com/eKBnEcM2
[15:04] <shadeslayer> you installation seems a bit weird
[15:05] <soee> ;o
[15:42] <Riddell> hmm, debian has kept ksnakedual as ktron
[15:42] <Riddell> even though upstream have changed its name
[15:42] <Riddell> not sure we want to keep that
[16:22] <ScottK> Should discuss it with them.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: seems like we also build with -Bsymbolic-functions ?
[18:00] <yofel> we do IIRC
[18:01] <shadeslayer> I don't even know what it does :/
[18:01] <yofel> see ld mangpage
[18:01] <yofel> *manpage
[18:01] <shadeslayer> yeah
[18:07] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: ping
[18:54] <utusan> suddenly kdm won't come up. err msg - can't open theme file-to-be-replaced-desktop-base or something
[18:54] <utusan> any workaround? thanks
[18:55] <ahoneybun> utusan: move to the #kubuntu channel for desktop support
[18:55] <utusan> this is saucy though
[18:55] <ahoneybun> oh really?
[18:55] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[18:56] <ahoneybun> then yea here
[18:56] <ahoneybun> did you change the theme?
[18:56] <utusan> looks like I have the proper? theme and greeter
[18:57] <utusan> never changed 
[18:58] <ahoneybun> oh I wonder if some how the theme was moved/deleted
[18:59] <ahoneybun> look in /usr/share/kde4/apps/kdm/themes
[19:00] <ahoneybun> see if there are themes in there
[19:00] <ahoneybun> ls
[19:00] <ahoneybun> sorry
[19:01] <utusan> there's plenty -  ariya  bespin  circles  elarun  horos  oxygen  oxygen-air
[19:01] <ahoneybun> oh 
[19:03] <ahoneybun> not sure
[19:04] <utusan> thanks anyway
[19:05] <ahoneybun> np 
[19:05] <ahoneybun> it just did not load now?
[19:12]  * yofel is having oxygen issues on saucy too for that matter
[19:13] <yofel> I didn't bother debugging it though until we have the merges done
[19:13] <yofel> (I have oxygen set as qt theme, but what I see is Plastique)
[19:14] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:17] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: pong
[20:17] <ahoneybun> lol
[20:18] <Darkwing> full all inclusive docs on wiki
[20:18] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:18] <Darkwing> VERY minor docset to ship with ISO in DocBook
[20:18] <ahoneybun> you see that in the list
[20:19] <Darkwing> That will reside in the KHelpCenter.
[20:19] <ahoneybun> I thought that we were not using KHelp
[20:19] <Darkwing> The one that ships with the ISO should be so small that it shouldn't have to update every release.
[20:19] <Darkwing> Read my email. I outlined the reasons in there.
[20:20] <Darkwing> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-May/007027.html
[20:21] <ahoneybun> I don;t see khelp in there
[20:23] <Darkwing> The bit about DocBook etc.
[20:23] <Darkwing> that was implied
[20:23] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:23] <Darkwing> The wiki should try to emulate the work like is shown in help.ubuntu.com
[20:24] <Darkwing> only better
[20:24] <ahoneybun> don;t you think wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuDocs would be better?
[20:24] <Darkwing> no.
[20:24] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:24] <Darkwing> here is why
[20:25] <Darkwing> wiki.kubuntu.org is only a kubuntu themes wiki.ubuntu.com
[20:25] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:25] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KubuntuDocs
[20:25] <ahoneybun> what about the plan here I put
[20:25] <Darkwing> So, wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu is the same as wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu 
[20:25] <soee> is there some app for google hangouts ?
[20:26] <Darkwing> So, everything to do with Kubuntu should be under the /Kubuntu/ space
[20:26] <Darkwing> soee: I just use the browser
[20:26] <ahoneybun> soee: only the site I think
[20:26] <soee> ah ok, thank you
[20:26] <Darkwing> soee: Unless you are talking mobile devices. Then there is a "Hangouts" app
[20:27] <ahoneybun> Darkwing: can we have another video chat?
[20:27] <Darkwing> ahoneybun: Give me a few
[20:27] <ahoneybun> ok 
[20:27] <soee> Darkwing, i was thinking about linux app
[20:27] <ahoneybun> soee: I don't think that is possible
[20:27] <ahoneybun> or there is one
[20:28] <Darkwing> soee: I dont believe Google is using any open standards and no API
[20:28] <soee> ;<\
[20:38] <ahoneybun> I don;t have much time, got to be gone in about a hour
[20:40] <valorie> Darkwing: the ubuntu.com wiki is ugh!
[20:40] <valorie> ours has the nice theming
[20:41] <Darkwing> valorie: We are in a hangout... Wanna join?
[20:41] <valorie> ok
[20:43] <valorie> that came to my phone....it's trying again
[20:43] <valorie> better in the browser I think
[20:45] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping
[21:07] <Darkwing> jjesse: ping
[21:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: pong
[21:17] <jjesse> Darkwing, pong
[21:18] <Darkwing> jjesse: I'm going to email back but, we are not abondoning everything on the shipped docs
[21:18] <jjesse> Darkwing, good i want to make sure we don
[21:19] <jjesse> be back i na bit
[21:19] <Darkwing> jjesse: It's planning on being scaled back a bit that is shipped.
[21:19] <Darkwing> I'll break it down in email form.
[21:24] <jjesse> sorry had visitors stop by unexpectantly
[21:24] <jjesse> i'll read your email
[21:24] <Darkwing> jjesse: I'll send it in a few.
[21:29] <sheytan> apachelogger: remember i was asking about that kubuntu-qtquick-component package for the ldm theme we were working on?
[21:29] <sheytan> I can't find it to make the theme work ;(
[21:30] <apachelogger> because the format rc format changed
[21:30] <apachelogger> see what we have in raring
[21:30] <sheytan> apachelogger: i dont mean that theme is not listed. I delt with this
[21:31] <sheytan> i show blank screen 
[21:31] <sheytan> and i think it's because i did not install the qtquick stuff
[21:34] <sheytan> apachelogger: once you said it won't work without it
[21:34] <apachelogger> yeah, you need to install that too ^^
[21:34] <sheytan> apachelogger: i cannot find it in LP
[21:42] <sheytan> apachelogger: still have that package or source somewhere?
[21:45] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-qtquick1-components
[21:56] <sheytan> apachelogger: btw, each time i install 13.04 with the glowint plymouth i like it more
[21:56] <sheytan> this was really good idea
[21:56] <sheytan> it looks great :)
[22:00] <apachelogger> <3
[22:01] <sheytan> apachelogger: do i need all that kde*-dev stuff to compile this?
[22:01] <sheytan> once you gave me a magic command that have done it all
[22:02] <sheytan> sorry i'm asking that much questions :D
[22:02] <apachelogger> yes you need some plunder
[22:02] <apachelogger> kdelibs-dev probably should cover it
[22:02] <sheytan> just cmake ../ or stuff like dcmake-install-prefix too?
[22:03] <apachelogger> you need to set prefix to /usr IIRC
[22:03] <apachelogger> there actually may be packaging in there
[22:03] <apachelogger> so
[22:03] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[22:03] <apachelogger> will do everything except install deps for you
[22:07] <sheytan> it did. Thank you!
[22:08] <sheytan> apachelogger: what do you think, that i release this theme in to the wild? :)
[22:08] <sheytan> do you agree?
[22:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: you should ask the lightdm guys really
[22:09] <apachelogger> but codewise it still has issues
[22:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: ask about what?