[00:01] <bobweaver> mhall119,  what is up with box2d is there tiled also in repo ?
[00:16] <bobweaver> OMG i am about to lose my mind with debian packaging up apps keeps on saying that it can not add qml inside its own dir. How to fix ?
[00:37] <bobweaver> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+junk/virttabs_cpp_now/files/head:/usr/share/qtcreator/templates/wizards/virtTabs/
[00:41] <mhall119> bobweaver: no tiled, it's just ken's personal PPA
[00:42] <mhall119> I downloaded the .tar.gz and debuilt it on my N7
[00:42] <mhall119> of qml-box2d thatis
[00:44] <bobweaver> cool
[00:44] <mhall119> bobweaver: have you tried using a debian/install file to put your files in the right place?
[00:44] <mhall119> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#install
[00:45] <bobweaver> Oh Yeah it is something with the way that the package and qmake are working
[00:45] <bobweaver> mhall119,  maybe you can test ? there is a ppa for it
[00:51] <mhall119> where?
[00:55] <spencerj171> anyone on?
[01:04] <bobweaver> mhall119,  https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills/+archive/sdk-extras
[01:04] <bobweaver> just a personal ppa
[01:06] <bobweaver> tgm4883, here is a tutorial http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2010/10/19/exporting-qml-from-photoshop-and-gimp/
[01:06] <bobweaver> woops wrong channel
[01:24] <bcurtiswx> is there a way to show all apps installed on the GUI after installing the touch-coreapps from the daily PPA ?
[01:24] <bcurtiswx> or can we only run them through adb?
[01:26] <bobweaver> ssh bcurtiswx
[01:26] <bcurtiswx> only shell then?
[01:26] <bobweaver> can run dpkg--list-packages or what ever the commane it
[01:26] <bobweaver> dpkg- l
[01:27] <bobweaver> bcurtiswx,  there is also a terminal emulator
[01:27]  * bobweaver is awesome at spelling :P 
[01:27] <bobweaver> I would think that the chroot would also have all the default things installed
[01:28] <bobweaver> in the img its self but I do not know if android is like that
[01:28] <bobweaver> like x11 that is
[01:28] <bcurtiswx> but the installed coreapps won't show on the home screen on ubuntu touch
[01:28] <bobweaver> like I would think that it is chroot on top of cygwin
[01:28] <bobweaver> could be wrong though
[01:29] <bobweaver> did you search for them ?
[01:29] <bobweaver> in the "dash"
[01:30] <bcurtiswx> ah search works for me, nice'
[01:30] <bcurtiswx> bobweaver, ty
[01:30] <bobweaver> bcurtiswx,  yu can restart the service also
[01:30] <bobweaver> also *
[01:30] <bobweaver> yw
[01:33] <bobweaver> bcurtiswx,  IMHO there should be a dropdown for the apps that are installed just like there was in unity-qt I mean unity 2d
[01:33] <bcurtiswx> yup
[01:35] <bobweaver> something like this http://imagebin.org/258621
[01:36] <bobweaver> I know that qml and dee can handle it
[01:46] <chris123> hi team.  my nexus4 with Touch seems to have powered off and won't power on.  i thought this issue was solved according to the documentation.  perhaps it is back?  how do i start the device?
[01:47] <chris123> do i have to take it apart and pull the battery?
[02:04] <mhall119> chris123: did you let it charge for a while?
[02:05] <mhall119> IIRC, there was some edge case when the battery was very nearly dead when things like this happened
[02:05] <chris123> yes, it has charged long enough I would think now.
[02:06] <chris123> I will keep it on the charger overnight, and pull the battery if I need to.  I don't want to of course.
[02:07] <mhall119> can you get it to boot into recovery maybe?
[02:09] <chris123> naw, it just seems dead
[02:20] <chris123> i would tell you how i triggered this edge case, but I'm not sure.  I left it plugged into my laptop for a few days, came back one day and it was unpluged and dead.  i plugged it back in and it had a red light and no response since then.
[02:44] <bobweaver> chris123, the laptop or whatever wont  charge you device esp if debuging is on or it is a media device
[02:45] <bobweaver> that is what I have learned by test case at least
[02:46] <bobweaver> stick a multi meter if you have it to the + points and push charge if you are hot it will register
[02:46] <bobweaver> make sure you ground it
[02:47]  * bobweaver works on all sorts of hardware that is custom at work 
[02:48]  * bobweaver says aka bob works for http://www.iatse-intl.org/ as a hand 
[02:50] <bobweaver> Huge market that has not even been touched by opensource / fsf
[03:21] <kgunn> rsalveti: sergiusens thanks for the help eariler...success :)
[03:32] <sergiusens> kgunn: great
[03:50] <rsalveti> kgunn: cool
[04:05] <Mirv> sergiusens: actually, it's (-dev packages problem) more complex. there's now the 'qmlrunner' package available, using of which as a package dependency (with: Depends: qmlrunner | qtchooser) removes qtchooser and -dev packages and offers /usr/bin/qmlscene - however, I'm not working on fixing the apps
[04:06] <sergiusens> Mirv: the apps' deps against qmlscene you mean?
[04:06] <Mirv> sergiusens: so the apps which have currently direct dependency (not build-dep) to qt5-default (and via it to some -dev packages) could have their dependencies fixed. at the same time however, saucy will see changes that the problem would go away otherwise, thanks to qtchooser configuration arrangements
[04:06] <sergiusens> Mirv: well once qmlrunner is done, a callout to the list would be enough
[04:06] <Mirv> sergiusens: they depend on qmlscene, but not only that - since by depending on qmlscene you only get it in /usr/lib/*/qt5/bin, some apps have additional hack/dependency on qt5-default
[04:08] <sergiusens> Mirv: ok, I'll get a list and try out qmlrunner... this would require changes in qml-phone-shell too...
[04:10] <Mirv> sergiusens: ok. see the package description of qmlrunner, ie. depends: qmlrunner | qtchooser is what should be used so that either qmlrunner or the qtchooser + -dev packages can be used
[04:10] <sergiusens> Mirv: ack
[04:11] <sergiusens> Mirv: I'm brain dead now though... will only look into tomorrow
[04:12] <Mirv> sergiusens: yeah, I'm sure this needs fresh brains, I'm just writing the different options in text, so that it'd be a bit more clear
[06:02] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <seb128> hey there, I've a sdk question ;-)
[09:17] <seb128> if you use Pages in a PageStack, is the toolkit taking care of setting the focus = true on the "active" page for me? or should I do that?
[09:19] <timp> seb128: I implemented Page and PageStack, and it doesn't handle focus
[09:19] <seb128> timp, would that be a valid wishlist bug?
[09:20] <seb128> I'm doing stuff like
[09:20] <seb128>             Keys.onEscapePressed: {
[09:20] <seb128>                 grid.focus = true
[09:20] <seb128>                 pageStack.pop()
[09:20] <seb128>             }
[09:20] <seb128> atm
[09:20] <seb128> which works
[09:20] <timp> seb128: yes
[09:20] <seb128> but it seems like it would be logical to just give back to focus to the previous page when you pageStack.pop()
[09:21] <seb128> timp, thanks, I will open a bug then ;-)
[09:21] <timp> it sounds logical, but I just haven't had time to focus on focus
[09:21] <timp> seb128: does focus make sense on a touch device also?
[09:22] <seb128> it's probably less useful there
[09:22] <seb128> though I can see it useful to e.g bind "pageStack.pop()" to a "back" button if the device has one
[09:23] <timp> that's why it is not there yet. correct focus on desktop is definitely something we need, but with the current focus on touch other bugs are likely to be given priority
[09:23] <seb128> fair enough, I was mostly asking to know if I'm overlooking something
[09:24] <timp> seb128: back-button already calls pageStack.pop()
[09:24] <seb128> I will keep the extra line setting the focus in my app, that's alright
[09:24] <seb128> ok, I'm testing on my desktop atm and was using escape as a back
[09:24] <timp> seb128: I meant the back button in the toolbar, not a physical button
[09:25] <timp> seb128: but please do report the focus bug on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit because it is a valid feature request
[09:25] <seb128> timp, will do, thanks again ;-)
[09:25] <timp> np :)
[10:19] <kalikiana> dpm, hey, got a question about bug 1168026, I'm wondering if there's any precedent styling for breadcrumbs but didn't see any on other API docs
[10:20] <kalikiana> if I just enable a pathbar it's not styled and distorts the layout
[10:21] <dpm> hey kalikiana, I don't know, sorry :/. I'm not an expert on qdoc, perhaps Kevin Wright might know?
[10:22] <kalikiana> dpm, my question is about styling not qdoc
[10:22] <kalikiana> as in, CSS
[10:23] <dpm> kalikiana, ah, I see. No, we don't have any precedent. But if you've got some raw HTML for the breadcrumbs, we can talk to ant in the Web design team, as he created the original style
[10:24] <kalikiana> dpm, I can zip up a tarball with the changed HTML and the current css
[10:25] <dpm> kalikiana, if you could put it in a +junk branch we could make the changes there
[10:26] <kalikiana> I'm going to push the branch enabling the breadcrumbs
[10:30] <dpm> thanks kalikiana
[10:33] <kalikiana> dpm, where do I find the person with the insect name? :-)
[10:35] <dpm> kalikiana, let me try to find out
[10:35] <kalikiana> thanks
[10:48] <dpm> kalikiana, while on the subject of improving docs, do you think you could also look at bug 1183013 as well?
[10:49] <Kubawar> hello
[10:49] <Kubawar> i hawe a question
[10:50] <Kubawar> will ubuntu touch run on SoftwinerEvb??
[10:50] <Kubawar> it's noname brand tablet
[10:52] <Kubawar> anyone??
[10:55] <user82> !devices | Kubawar
[10:56] <user82> and noname is generally difficult..right now i think it will not run. does the thing support cynogenmod?
[10:57] <Kubawar> didn't tried it yet but i found tutorial and it says that it does
[10:57] <user82> even better. good luck with it!
[10:57] <kalikiana> dpm, sounds like the proposal is in fact to merge online/offline docs - if we don't "mind" the difference but also stop using it separation makes no sense
[10:59] <Kubawar> thx
[10:59] <Kubawar> bye
[10:59] <user82> will ubuntu touch also support miracast for the desktop experience?
[10:59] <user82> or just slimport hdmi adapter
[11:03] <dpm> kalikiana, just switching to the online ones would do. We initially had an offline one only, which I modified to be online (where online means "add d.u.c header and footer"), but after a discussion with greyback I separated the configs so that online/offline could be selectable. Having an offline one might be useful if we want to build local docs for qt creator. I'm just thinking out loud though, as I'm not sure how Qt Creator actually loads the docs
[11:03] <dpm> but in any case, the automated doc publisher on the site pulls the HTML from the -doc package and needs the d.u.c header and footer
[11:04] <kalikiana> dpm, we actually have online, offline and qtcreator versions
[11:04] <kalikiana> so we can still have "offline" styling for qtcreator
[11:04] <dpm> kalikiana, ah, cool. In that case it might make sense to switch to "online" and deprecate "offline" in favour of "qtcreator"?
[11:33] <diwic> Are there any devices where auto-mute works on Ubuntu Touch images? I e, speaker mutes when headphones are plugged in.
[11:47] <Kaleo> Saviq: have you notice that maliit-server & qml-phone-shell are never completely idle?
[11:47] <Kaleo> +d
[11:47] <Kaleo> or so it seems on my n10
[11:48] <Kaleo> Mirv: thanks for having taken care of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1183150
[11:48] <Saviq> Kaleo, nope, never looked at it, though
[11:48] <Kaleo> Saviq: that would explain why the device that used to last days on standby now lasts just 1 day
[11:49] <adrian> hello
[11:49] <Saviq> Kaleo, that's new, then, my tablet wasn't used over 4 days and was fine still
[11:50] <adrian> Can I install Ubuntu on Iphone 4G?
[11:50] <pmcgowan> adrian, no
[11:50] <adrian> Ok
[11:52] <Mirv> Kaleo: no problem
[11:53] <Saviq> mzanetti, http://ubuntuone.com/00yA9w55NHIbibsLAp5zqL
[11:53] <Saviq> Kaleo, check this out http://ubuntuone.com/00yA9w55NHIbibsLAp5zqL - which of the two transitions is correct?
[11:54] <mzanetti> Saviq: ok. I see the difference now... I'd say the upper one is the "correct" one
[11:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, yup
[11:55] <Saviq> mzanetti, you just saved your job ;P
[11:55] <mzanetti> haha
[11:55] <mzanetti> I bet so
[11:56] <Saviq> biab
[12:09] <Kaleo> Saviq: not plugged in and with just the screen switched off?
[12:12] <Kaleo> Saviq: top one
[12:12] <Kaleo> Saviq: I see mzanetti agrees
[12:12] <Kaleo> good.
[12:14] <diwic> do we run any java services on Ubuntu touch?
[12:14] <diwic> Like, e g, audioservice
[12:16] <pmcgowan> diwic, no java services no
[12:16] <diwic> pmcgowan, ok, that explains why headset detection isn't working, it's done directly in java
[12:17] <seb128> does anyone know if there is an easy way to skip elements from keyboard navigations in a GridView?
[12:17] <diwic> pmcgowan, there is java code listening for /sys/class/switch/h2w directly, without passing through the audio HAL
[12:17] <pmcgowan> oh
[12:18] <diwic> pmcgowan, I assume we're not likely to have java code running either, so this code will have to be rewritten in C/C++ for headset detection to work?
[12:18] <seb128> like I've "inactive" elements in my grid and I don't want keyboard navigation to stop of those... is there a built in way? or should I just try to hack the events?
[12:19] <pmcgowan> diwic, correct, where is it int he current ubuntu stack?
[12:19] <diwic> pmcgowan, pulseaudio probably
[12:19] <pmcgowan> diwic, check with rsalveti, pulse should still do this?
[12:19] <diwic> pmcgowan, or not probably; headset detection is done differently in desktop hardware (alsa kcontrol)
[12:19] <pmcgowan> ah
[12:19] <diwic> pmcgowan, in android it's /sys/class/switch
[12:20] <diwic> pmcgowan, which means that the way forward would be to write a pulseaudio module to listen for /sys/class/switch...or?
[12:21] <pmcgowan> not sure, is there a std interface in hal? I dont know this stuff
[12:21] <diwic> pmcgowan, well, even if there was, as long as the code for talking to the kernel (through sysfs) is in java
[12:22] <diwic> pmcgowan, that stuff still needs to be rewritten I suppose
[12:22] <pmcgowan> right, I would ask chick and salveti when they come on line for their opinions
[12:22] <tvoss> diwic, pmcgowan might well be that you get a key event if the headphone is connected ... I remember that I leveraged that while doing the initial camera tests
[12:23] <diwic> tvoss, keyboard event?
[12:23] <diwic> pmcgowan, ok
[12:23] <tvoss> diwic, not keyboard, but evdev, sorry
[12:24] <diwic> tvoss, right, but /dev/input does not make much difference compared to /sys/class/switch
[12:26] <tvoss> diwic, well, client applications do receive those events without the need to read a kernel interface, checking though if headphone jack is reported that way
[12:26] <diwic> tvoss, nope, only three /dev/input/* and none of them are headset related
[12:28] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan, I love this new gmail thing
[12:28] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan, no more thunderbird
[12:29] <seb128> the web is winning over native apps :/
[12:34] <ogra_> ha !
[12:34] <ogra_> finally got it
[12:34] <ogra_> SF is starting by default on maguro now
[12:35] <tvoss> ogra_, \o/
[12:35] <ogra_> silly lxc settings
[12:47] <user82> ChickenCutlass, new gmail thing?
[12:49]  * ogra_ dances 
[12:49] <ogra_> i got the whole ubuntu-session starting ptoperly  with the flipped container
[12:49]  * pmcgowan pictures ogra dancing, ooo
[12:49] <ogra_> \o/
[12:49] <pmcgowan> well done
[12:49] <ChickenCutlass> ogra_, NICE
[12:50] <ogra_> there is something wonky with the oom_adj stuff
[12:56] <ogra_> hmm, no, it isnt, it just starts really slow
[12:58] <ogra_> hmm
[12:59] <ogra_> ok, dropping the oom_adj stuff i can boot from vibration to a full shell in 18 sec
[12:59] <ogra_> keeping it it seems to die
[13:01] <Saviq_> dandrader, ping
[13:01] <dandrader> Saviq, pong
[13:03] <pmcgowan> ogra_, thats what I see in the current raring image, around 18 secs
[13:03] <ogra_> yeah
[13:03] <ogra_> 10 to SF ... another 8 to start the shell
[13:05] <ogra_> rsalveti, any idea why the oom_adj code kills ubuntu-session after the container flip ?
[13:21] <andubleortu> hi!
[13:27] <ogra_> bah, whats that
[13:27] <ogra_> the shift key in maliit doesnt work
[13:35] <pmcgowan> ogra_, works for me
[13:35] <ogra_> in saucy ?
[13:36] <pmcgowan> no
[13:36] <ogra_> :)
[13:37] <davmor2> ogra_: we don't need no stinking shift keys
[13:37] <ogra_> well, my WPA key has capital letters
[13:37] <davmor2> ogra_: :D  ooops
[13:40] <pmcgowan> phablet-netowrk-setup
[13:43] <ogra_> pmcgowan, bah, modern stuff
[13:45] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm with you, who comes up with these fairly sensible names for stuff,  it should all be named after fictional characters and be done :)
[13:46] <ogra_> hmm, the browser is shaky
[14:04] <mhall119> calendar team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting if anybody is around for it
[14:32] <sergiusens> balloons: rsalveti https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-touch/+merge/165410
[14:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, so i have a full session up with the flipped container ... but binder complains for each process i start and none of the apps work
[14:34] <ogra_> and that one is very intresting too
[14:34] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ echo -10 >/proc/2877/oom_adj
[14:34] <ogra_> -su: echo: write error: Permission denied
[14:34] <ogra_> (2877 is ubuntu-session)
[14:34] <ogra_> phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ ls -l /proc/2877/oom_adj
[14:34] <ogra_> -rw-r--r-- 1 phablet android_input 0 May 23 14:32 /proc/2877/oom_adj
[14:35] <SonikkuAmerica> ogra_: Are you the owner of the file or inside the group? If not, you'll need to use [ chmod ]
[14:36] <ogra_> see the prompt :)
[14:36] <ogra_> and the ls output
[14:36] <ogra_> indeed i'm the owner
[14:37] <SonikkuAmerica> ogra_: Just for fun, [ chmod 666 ] the file and try again
[14:38] <ogra_> nope
[14:39] <SonikkuAmerica> Hm.
[14:39] <ogra_> i assume its binder
[14:39] <ogra_> blocking me from changing it
[14:40] <SonikkuAmerica> It's possible; is it possible to pipe it through tee? [ echo -10 | sudo tee /proc/2877/oom_adj ]?
[14:41] <ogra_> i doubt we have sudo installed
[14:41]  * ogra_ checks
[14:41] <ogra_> oh, we do
[14:41] <ogra_> well, i can do it as root in any case
[14:41] <SonikkuAmerica> Ubuntu Touch still has basic Ubuntu functions in it...
[14:41] <ogra_> but thats not waht the script does
[14:42] <ogra_> Ubuntu Touch is build with --no-install-recommends ...
[14:42] <ogra_> so having something like sudo is a matter of luck :)
[14:43] <ogra_> in any case root can write to it
[14:43] <ogra_> but not the owner of the process
[14:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Oddly enough...
[14:44] <SonikkuAmerica> Must be from the Android side of things...
[14:45] <SonikkuAmerica> I wish they'd have made Ubuntu Touch for the Transformer Prime though...
[14:47] <ogra_> well, it definitely is from the android side :)
[14:51] <stgraber> ogra_: so did you figure out why the device specific init script wasn't run for you?
[14:51] <ogra_> stgraber, yeah, was all your fault :P
[14:52] <ogra_> stgraber, commenting lxc.cap.drop got me going :)
[14:52] <ogra_> which is weird ... but who cares, it works now :)
[14:53] <ogra_> i have the full session running
[14:53] <stgraber> ogra_: hmm, yeah, that's a bit weird. Do you actually load extra modules on your device?
[14:53] <ogra_> nope
[14:54] <ogra_> but it could well be that the pvr driver even though it is builtin doesnt tell anyone that it is builtin :)
[14:54] <stgraber> hmm, then the Android kernel must have a pretty twisted meaning for mac_admin and mac_override (those are supposed to be there to prevent you from working around apparmor, though the current container config doesn't start with apparmor so they should be no-op...)
[14:55] <ogra_> well, i can try just leaving these two in
[15:10] <fginther> mhall119, did you happen to talk to launchpad ops re: the armhf builds?
[15:15] <sergiusens> I saw some HUD landings yesterday... are we good to switch?
[15:17] <sergiusens> didrocks: ^^
[15:17] <sergiusens> :-)
[15:18] <mhall119> fginther: I did talk to wgrant
[15:18] <mhall119> but he was kind of busy, I should check with him again
[15:18] <didrocks> sergiusens: I fought the whole day for that, normally, it's good to switch :)
[15:18] <didrocks> sergiusens: however, please note that in next, we have only the things that are daily releasing
[15:18] <didrocks> sergiusens: not all the -ofono and other stuff
[15:20] <sergiusens> didrocks: don't worry, that was your one time setup in the PPA, right?
[15:20] <sergiusens> didrocks: everything not in daily-release is still in ppa:phablet-team so we should be good
[15:20] <didrocks> sergiusens: ok, sounds good then :)
[15:20] <sergiusens> didrocks: oh, and then there's Qt... I'll need to think this through
[15:21] <sergiusens> I'll probably copy them to ppa:phablet-team
[15:21] <didrocks> sergiusens: yeah, really, everything that is not daily releasing
[15:21] <didrocks> sergiusens: sounds good to me
[15:21] <sergiusens> until saucy happens at least
[15:21] <didrocks> (and the right thing to do)
[15:21] <didrocks> I spent a large part of reviewing Mirv's packages for Qt in saucy
[15:21] <didrocks> most of it is in :)
[15:21] <didrocks> so we are Qt-ready in saucy
[15:22] <sergiusens> yeah, saw that :-)
[15:33] <bb23> hi - i have just installed ubuntu touch on my tf101... all looks OK apart from the resolution etc - the keyboard is too large to fit on the screen.. any tips? i dont have a keyboard dock for it.
[15:34] <ogra_> bb23, read terh porting doc ... and have a look at /etc/ubuntu-session.d/
[15:35] <ogra_> there are the resolution values for all devices ... you might need to add one for your device
[15:36] <bb23> ogra_ - i am unable to even get into a directory - will I need to do this via SSH?
[15:36] <ogra_> adb
[15:36] <sergiusens> ubuntu_chroot shell
[15:36] <ogra_> and that :)
[15:37]  * ogra_ hsant had to use that in the last two weeks ... :)
[15:39] <balloons> sergiusens, merged 165410
[15:39] <ogra_> stgraber, so i just tested, it is actually only sys_module that gets in our way
[15:41] <stgraber> ogra_: ok, that's pretty weird considering we're not loading a module, but oh well ;)
[15:41] <ogra_> as i said, pvr can be weird
[15:41] <stgraber> ogra_: oh, actually it may be the same capability restricting firmware loading, I guess that'd make sense then
[15:41] <mhall119> seb128: I was told that you were working on the Settings app, do you have a moment to answer a couple questions?
[15:41] <ogra_> (the omap graphics driver)
[15:41] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[15:41] <ogra_> that would explain it
[15:42] <ogra_> many phones load modules from their init.rc though ... so we cant block that anyway
[15:42] <pmcgowan> mhall119, mardy is working on the settings app
[15:42] <bb23> ogra_ sergiusens - tried the ubuntu_chroot
[15:42] <bb23> shell@android:/ $ ubuntu_chroot shell
[15:42] <bb23> ubuntu_chroot shell
[15:42] <bb23> chroot: can't change root directory to '/data/ubuntu': Operation not permitted
[15:42] <ogra_> rsalveti, networking works fine with the NM from the PPA btw :)
[15:43] <ogra_> bb23, run adb root first
[15:43] <ogra_> on the PC
[15:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: thanks
[15:43] <mhall119> mardy: pingity-ping
[15:43] <ogra_> bb23, so that the prompt in the adb session shows root@android
[15:43] <bb23> ogra_ so type 'adb root' ?
[15:44] <ogra_> on the PC before running sdb shell
[15:44] <bb23> ogra - ah got it
[15:44] <ogra_> *adb
[15:44] <sergiusens> udb
[15:44] <ogra_> pfft
[15:45] <ogra_> you and your branding hype
[15:45] <sergiusens> sdb is samsung's ;-)
[15:45] <ogra_> though having udbd and udb at the asme time as adbd and adb would make the container stuff so much easier
[15:45] <mhall119> iDB, we'll make it all white, give it only one button, and charge thrice as much
[15:45] <bb23> ogra_ - open tf101.conf ?
[15:46] <bb23> vi ratrher
[15:46] <bb23> ogra_ when I try vi tf101.conf it gives me a bunch of junk back.. no vi
[15:46] <ogra_> bb23, /system/build.prop ...
[15:47] <ogra_> bb23, look for ro.product.device, thats how the file needs to be named
[15:47] <sergiusens> adb shell getprop | grep ro.product.device
[15:47] <sergiusens> it's tf101 iirc
[15:48] <bb23> ro.product.device=tf101
[15:48] <ogra_> great
[15:48] <ogra_> so its tf101.conf
[15:49] <bb23> indeed
[15:49] <ogra_> and then you need to find the right values ... by testing most likely
[15:49] <bb23> vi doesn't work over adb?
[15:49] <bb23> for me?
[15:50] <sergiusens> bb23: ogra_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting#Screen_Pixel_Ratio
[15:50] <bb23> sergiusens thanks
[15:51] <ogra_> right
[15:51] <sergiusens> GRID_UNIT_PX for tf101 is 10
[15:51] <sergiusens> or should be
[15:51] <sergiusens> or could be
[15:51]  * sergiusens thinks it's lunch time
[15:52] <ogra_> might be :)
[15:53] <bb23> GRID_UNIT_PX=10
[15:53] <bb23> QTWEBKIT_DPR=1.2
[15:53] <bb23> FORM_FACTOR="tablet"
[15:54] <bb23> the res actually looks alright on the screen just the touch screen keyboard is out of proportion
[15:55] <bb23> ogra_ any ideas how ot resize the keyboard etc?
[15:56]  * ogra_ has a brave moment and runs a dist-upgrade on the container flipped install 
[15:56] <ogra_> bb23, nope
[15:56] <pmcgowan> tmoenicke, osk resize ? ^^
[15:59] <tmoenicke> bb23: pmcgowan: /usr/share/maliit/plugins/org/maliit/maliit-ui-constants.qml
[15:59] <pmcgowan> tmoenicke, doesnt that dynamically adjust based on actual screen size
[16:00] <pmcgowan> or shouldnt it
[16:00] <tmoenicke> pmcgowan: yes, but you can still set some values to adjust
[16:00] <pmcgowan> ok
[16:00] <mhall119> ZDmitry_: I've noticed that the keyboard doesn't go away when you switch away from the Terminal, is there something you can do to fix that?
[16:00] <bb23> my resolution looks good just the keyboard i only get like half of it on the screen, rather large
[16:00] <tmoenicke> bb23: what exactly needs to be tweaked?
[16:01] <bb23>  tmoenicke: the keyboard size is huge on the screen in comparison to the screen resolution
[16:02] <bb23> tmoenicke: on screen keyboard
[16:03] <tmoenicke> bb23: try to change:      property real tablet_keyboard_height_portrait:  0.28;
[16:03] <tmoenicke> bb23:      property real portrait_keyboard_screen_width_ratio:               1.0
[16:03] <tmoenicke> 1.0 means full width
[16:04] <bb23> tmoenicke via adb?
[16:04] <tmoenicke> bb23: login and install your favorite editor
[16:05] <bb23> tmoenicke: dont mean to be a pain but im new to this - can't do anything via the tablet as the keyboard is large.. can only choose 10 differne lettters
[16:06] <jcastro> are there plans to support the phone vibrating when calls come in, etc?
[16:06] <jcastro> wondering if I should file a bug
[16:06] <jcastro> or if it's already on a roadmap somewhere
[16:06] <bb23> tmoenicke can i edit via adb?
[16:06] <ogra_> jcastro, you could ... or you could wait until we work with saucy and have it actually properly triaged then
[16:06] <jcastro> ogra_: ok awesome.
[16:07] <ogra_> bb23, adb + ubuntu_chroot
[16:07] <ogra_> as you did before
[16:07] <jcastro> ogra_: So I went to the bar last night and missed about 394534 incoming calls from my wife and got in trouble. :)
[16:07] <tmoenicke> bb23: adb pull /data/ubuntu/usr/share/maliit/plugins/org/maliit/maliit-ui-constants.qml
[16:07] <jcastro> and I was like "no seriously, my phone doesn't vibrate"
[16:07] <ogra_> jcastro, haha, good that you can blame it on the ubuntu teams now
[16:07] <jcastro> yeah, that excuse wasn't flying, but I did try!
[16:08] <bb23> tmoenicke: error: device not found
[16:08] <bb23> after I try the pull cmd
[16:08] <ogra_> there is work going on to finish the sensors api, i think that includes the vibrator
[16:08] <mardy> mhall119: pongy
[16:09] <tmoenicke> bb23: just try again
[16:09] <tmoenicke> bb23: which image did you flash?
[16:10] <tmoenicke> ZDmitry_: to answer your question from yesterday, you could write a layout in xml which includes these keys
[16:10] <bb23> tmoenicke: 12.01
[16:10] <bb23> tmoenicke: 12.10 sorry
[16:12] <seb128> mhall119, hey, I'm back, sure you can ask questions about system settings ;-)
[16:13] <boiko>  sergiusens hey, is there an easy way to check what packages changed from one build to another?
[16:13] <ogra_> boiko, the manifest file on cdimage
[16:13] <boiko> ogra_: oh nice, let me check, thanks
[16:14] <ogra_> you can diff it against the former build
[16:14] <ogra_> the changelog might also have something, not sure
[16:15] <xenos1984> hi everybody, does anyone know whether it's possible to unlock the bootloader and flash a new os on the tablets from companies such as goclever, mpman, archos, prestigio, surftab, nextbook...? those are android tablets in the lower price segment which are available in my area, and i wonder whether one can run ubuntu touch on them.  unfortunately none of them is listed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices yet, so i guess there is
[16:15] <xenos1984> no such project / port at the moment - but i would be willing to experiment and try it myself. but before buying one of them, i'd need to know which one would be suitable for such a project...
[16:17] <tmoenicke> bb23: you see 10 keys and the other keys seem to be off the screen?
[16:17] <ogra_> xenos1984, archos has a good chance to have open bootloaders
[16:17] <bb23> tmoenicke; indeed.
[16:17]  * ogra_ never heard about any of the other
[16:18] <bb23> tmoenicke; the keyboard is there just can only see 10 or so keys... definitely needs to be resized
[16:18] <mhall119> seb128: nvm, I was told that mardy is the one I want to talk to
[16:18] <xenos1984> ogra_: sounds good - they have an Arnova 7i here... let me see the specs and whether there are instructions for that somewhere...
[16:19] <mhall119> mardy: hey, so I'm wondering how your Settings app is going to overlap with per-app settings
[16:19] <mhall119> will we have a reusable screen or widgets that we can point to an app's dconf?
[16:20] <ogra_> xenos1984, arnova isnt archos it seems
[16:20] <seb128> mhall119, app specific settings will not be in system settings
[16:20] <seb128> mhall119, did you read http://design.canonical.com/2013/05/phone-settings/ ?
[16:20] <mhall119> or just a QML plugin for accessing dconf settings, and we'll have to buildour own settings screens
[16:20] <mardy> mhall119: AFAIK, mpt doesn't like that
[16:20] <mhall119> seb128: I assumed, but maybe it'll produce some re-usable bits
[16:20] <mhall119> mardy: doesn't like what?
[16:20] <seb128> having app settings in system settings
[16:20] <seb128> see that blog
[16:20] <mardy> mhall119: having app settings in the System Settings app
[16:20] <mardy> :-)
[16:20] <xenos1984> ogra_: hm... interesting, so what is it, then? my local shop offers an "ARCHOS Arnova 7i G3 4GB Tablet"
[16:21] <mhall119> mardy: ah, I agree with him there
[16:21] <mhall119> but, having per-app settings look the same, and accessing them the same way, would be nice
[16:22] <mhall119> especially if it makes it easier on the developer
[16:22] <mardy> mhall119: there will be a D-Conf QML plugin
[16:22] <mhall119> IIRC, the phablet HUD has what looks like a settings button in it's toolbar
[16:22] <ogra_> xenos1984, well, no idea, i just asked someone from archos and he told me thats not from them
[16:22] <mardy> mhall119: if you want a UI component, though, that's another matter; but we can think of that
[16:23] <mhall119> mardy: do we know when and wheere that QML plugin might be available?
[16:23] <xenos1984> ogra_: hm... strange...
[16:23] <mhall119> I'd like to switch the Core Apps over to it as soon as it is
[16:24] <ogra_> xenos1984, also it seems thats an A8 chip, you really want cortex-A9 at least
[16:24] <ogra_> some sockchip cheapo thing
[16:24] <ogra_> *rockchip
[16:24] <tmoenicke> bb23: i will have a look
[16:24] <bb23> tmoenicke: thanks mate if you could..  much appreciated
[16:25] <mardy> mhall119: it's blocked by a Qt bug: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-31226
[16:25] <mardy> mhall119: I'm investigating that
[16:25] <tmoenicke> no worries
[16:26] <xenos1984> ogra_: hm... on my shop's web page ( http://www.onoff.ee/arvutid-ja-lisad/tahvelarvutid/archos-502365/ ) it says A9... it seems that the arnova 7 has an A8, but the arnova 7i has an A9
[16:26] <rsalveti> sergiusens: I approved your mr, missing happroval
[16:27] <rsalveti> ogra_: what is the issue with oom_adj?
[16:27] <rsalveti> ogra_: cool that you got network working btw :-)
[16:27] <ogra_> rsalveti, nobody but root can write to it ... not even the process owner
[16:27] <rsalveti> boiko: you can check both manifests, but we're generating a changelog as well
[16:27] <ogra_> which (thanks to set -e) makes ubuntu-session fail
[16:28] <rsalveti> boiko: check http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled.changelog
[16:28] <boiko> rsalveti: ok, just trying to identify what could have caused some weird failures we are seeing in phone-app
[16:28] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's weird
[16:28] <mhall119> mardy: ok, can you keep me in the loop with what you find out?
[16:29] <ogra_> rsalveti, yes ... and binder complains about "RLIMIT_NICE not set"
[16:29] <ogra_> additionally to "binder: release proc 3874, transaction 14679, not freed"
[16:29] <rsalveti> hm, let me check that
[16:30] <ogra_> RLIMIT actually shows up for each and every process
[16:30] <ogra_> the not freed stuff only occasionally
[16:31] <rsalveti> ogra_: http://androidxref.com/4.2.2_r1/xref/system/core/rootdir/init.rc#249
[16:31] <rsalveti> that might be ok for now
[16:32] <ogra_> rsalveti, /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/init.rc:    setrlimit 13 40 40
[16:32] <ogra_> so we have it
[16:33] <rsalveti> right, binder must be a bit crazy in there
[16:33] <bb23> ogra_ tmoenicke - is there another osk plugin i could use?
[16:33] <ogra_> but it doesnt apply when running stuff outside the container
[16:33] <rsalveti> right
[16:33] <rsalveti> ogra_: anyway, waiting for your tarball :-)
[16:33] <rsalveti> meanwhile will grab some food
[16:35] <Hashcode> wow, I really need to block out some time for Ubuntu Touch and rebuild our devices up.
[16:36] <bb23> hi tmoenicke -i have a folder; /data/ubuntu/usr/share/maliit/plugins/org/nemomobile#
[16:36] <bb23> tmoenicke anything in ther that I could modify?
[16:38] <bb23> KeyboardStyle.qml
[16:38] <bb23> property int landscapeWidth: 854
[16:38] <bb23>     property int landscapeHeight: 230
[16:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/lxc.tgz and you need to install lxc, python-lxc
[16:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, use that on top of an already flipped device
[16:39] <ogra_> xenos1984, if you want archs, look for an omap446 based tablet or some such ... these should be good
[16:39] <ogra_> archos generally uses very open bootloaders, so modifying it should be pretty easy
[16:40] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, thats actually for maguro, if you want to use it for another device you need to put the android initrd.gz into /var/lib/lxc/android/
[16:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: that's fine, thanks :-)
[16:41] <rsalveti> will give it a shot after lunch
[16:42] <xenos1984> ogra_: hm... sounds good, i'll try to find one of those... thanks!
[16:43] <ogra_> bah, powerd doesnt work at all in the new world
[16:44] <xenos1984> i don't have any experience with tablets (never had one), but i'd like to go for one that runs ubuntu... i'm using ubuntu on my laptop for several years now, also have programming / osdev experience and ported something to tomtom's gps devices (which run linux), so a new platform to play around would be nice :)
[16:45] <ogra_> well, get the cheapest nexus7 then
[16:45] <ogra_> thats the safest bet
[16:45] <ogra_> and google should ship in all countries
[16:47] <xenos1984> hm... that's another option, they also have it here in the shops
[16:47] <bb23> ogra_ - i have looked at the ubuntu-session file - can see multiple GRID_UNIT_PX values - don't know which one '10' should be set for
[16:48] <bb23> should i set them all to 10
[16:49] <bb23> ogra_ can't see a entry for the tf101
[16:49] <bb23> if [ "$device" == "Manta" ]; then
[16:49] <bb23> only other devices..?
[16:50] <bb23> grep hardware /proc/cpuinfo shows ventana
[16:52] <sergiusens> didrocks: rsalveti do you guys have anything to compare the contents of two PPAs or do I have to write my own?
[16:53] <didrocks> sergiusens: hum, I didn't need that one yet
[16:55]  * tvoss waves to desrt 
[16:55] <tvoss> ricmm, you around?
[16:55] <ogra_> bb23, you seem to use a  very old image
[16:56] <ogra_> bb23, in recent images that stuff lives in /etc/ubuntu-session.d/ in the ubuntu chroot
[16:56] <ogra_> you shouldnt need to touch the ubuntu-session script itself
[16:57] <bb23> tmoenicke - was a resolution issue..figured it out
[16:57] <bb23> thanks mate
[16:57] <bb23> ogra_ figured it out.. thanks had ot make  an entry for ventana device
[16:57] <bb23> in ubuntu-session
[16:58] <ogra_> well, if you had to edit the script you are using an obsolete image
[16:58] <bb23> ogra_ - last question - how do i remove those default users like 'Lola' etc.. and create my own?
[16:58] <ogra_> see the release notes wikipage from the channel topic
[16:58] <ogra_> it has instructions for that
[16:58] <bb23> thanks :)
[17:05] <bb23> ogra_ - whats the best way to check im not using an obsolete image?
[17:05] <bb23> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.39.4-lumpy-gff82e1e #4 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 4 22:16:07 CEST 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[17:06] <rsalveti> ogra_: what is the issue with powerd?
[17:06] <rsalveti> sergiusens: nothing in hands
[17:06] <ogra_> rsalveti, its doesnt do anything
[17:06] <ogra_> screen stays on if i press power
[17:07] <ogra_> rsalveti, thats saucy though
[17:07] <ogra_> not sure mike built for it at all
[17:07] <rsalveti> right, might be how it's trying to grab input
[17:08] <ogra_> it didn work before the flip either iirc
[17:08] <mhall119> calculator app meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[17:08] <rsalveti> it should be working with latest now (raring)
[17:08] <ogra_> could be, i havent seen raring in weeks
[17:09] <ogra_> i'm working with "latest" :P
[17:09] <rsalveti> :-)
[17:09] <ogra_> :)
[17:10] <rsalveti> latest tar is now 649M
[17:10] <rsalveti> missing grouper's kernel removal still
[17:10] <bb23> Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.39.4-lumpy-gff82e1e #4 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 4 22:16:07 CEST 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux - ogra_ is that reasonably current kernel/image?
[17:10] <ogra_> rsalveti, oh, the phablet tar ?!? WOW !!!
[17:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: yup :-)
[17:11] <ogra_> bb23, not talking about kernels ... i was referring to userspace
[17:11] <ogra_> bb23, root@android:/ # grep JENKINS /system/ubuntu_stamp
[17:11] <ogra_> JENKINS_BUILD=130
[17:11] <ogra_> chech the buiuld number
[17:11] <ogra_> *check
[17:12] <ogra_> and you can run lsb_release -a in the ubuntu_chroot
[17:12] <ogra_> to see what release you run
[17:12] <ogra_> preferably that shoould be raring (13.04)
[17:12] <bb23> ogra_ must nbe oldish aha.. no such file or directory
[17:12] <ogra_> ugh, yeah, thats ancient then
[17:12] <bb23> 'No LSB modules are available'
[17:12] <sergiusens> rsalveti: I see a linux manta accepted... are we good for a new build launch?
[17:12] <ogra_> nothing anyone works on anymore
[17:13] <sergiusens> and maguro
[17:13] <bb23> ogra_ - whats the best way to upgrade ?
[17:14] <rsalveti> sergiusens: not yet, it's still in proposed
[17:15] <ogra_> bb23, re-flash with the a later image
[17:15] <mhall119> mardy: will you be available to join the email app meeting in 15 minutes, to give an update on Trojita stuff you were looking into?
[17:15] <bb23> ogra_ do you know which one is latest for the tf101 or where i can find it?
[17:16] <ogra_> !devices|bb32
[17:16] <ogra_> there should be a subpage for the tf101
[17:17] <user82> awe_, do you keep a changelog etc somewhere? or are you ok with me asking how things are going :D
[17:18] <ogra_> you need to a) make sure to have a recent build of the android tree ... and b) pull the latest userspace from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/ .... but note that they depend on each other
[17:18] <ogra_> bb23, ^^^
[17:18] <sergiusens> user82: when it's ready, there will be most likely people mentioning data
[17:18] <awe_> thanks sergiusens
[17:18] <rsalveti> user82: just follow mhall119's g+
[17:19] <user82> ok
[17:19] <bb23> i just followed that install instructions today don't know why I would have an old userspace?
[17:19] <mhall119> rsalveti: :P
[17:19] <mhall119> user82: change log of what?
[17:19] <user82> 3g data process. whereever it is uncluded
[17:20] <user82> *included
[17:20] <bb23> ogra_ - flash with the latest raring-preinstalled zip?
[17:20] <ogra_> bb23, probably because the android bits are old too ... they need to be re-build regulary
[17:20] <ogra_> bb23, right
[17:20] <mhall119> user82: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/raring-preinstalled.changelog
[17:20] <bb23> image rather
[17:20] <ogra_> but you need to make sure that the HW related zip is also up to date
[17:20] <bb23> hmm
[17:21] <ogra_> if the person that built it didnt update it regulary updating the userspace will most likely break
[17:21] <bb23> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/tf101 on here it says install quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[17:21] <ogra_> there are libs that scretch across both images
[17:21] <bb23> which is the 12.10 release
[17:21] <ogra_> yeah
[17:21] <bb23> which is what i Have installed ..
[17:22] <ogra_> well, look if there is an xda thread for it
[17:22] <ogra_> probably someone rebuilt it for raring
[17:24] <bb23> ok thanks ogra wil have alook
[17:33] <ricardo_1> hi
[17:34] <ricardo_1> I have a question: If I want to install ubuntu phone in Mexico, I can still make calls?
[17:35] <mhall119> Email client meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[17:35] <mhall119> mardy: ^^
[17:37] <ogra_> ricardo_1, if mexican providers offer GPRS you should be able to
[17:38] <ogra_> err
[17:39] <ogra_> GSM i meant, sorry
[17:44] <ricardo_1> will investigate... GMS
[17:45] <SonikkuAmerica> (I should've asked Mark yetserday if he had any idea about the availability of services other than GSM for Ubuntu Touch)
[17:46] <SonikkuAmerica> (I think Ubuntu Touch will catch on much faster in the US if we had a CDMA version, because Verizon is the leader in cellular communications here)
[17:46] <mhall119> SonikkuAmerica: if an ODM wants to ship a phone with Ubuntu Touch, they'll make sure it works with whatever radio the devic euses
[17:47] <mhall119> GSM is being targetted right now because it's more available
[17:47] <mhall119> also, I think it was easier
[17:47] <SonikkuAmerica> Well yeah, it's a global standard (isn't that what GSM stands for?)
[17:48] <bitbyte> hello,
[17:48] <mhall119> I'm on Verizon, so I'd *love* CDMA support, but for developer testing on hardware not designed for Ubuntu, GSM made more sense
[17:48] <bitbyte> is there anyway to get ubuntu touch on my iPad 2 ?
[17:48] <bitbyte> I'm quickly skimming the ubuntu touch page
[17:48] <mhall119> though XDA developers may have it working on some CDMA phones
[17:49] <mhall119> bitbyte: no, we're currently using CyanogenMod to allow it to run on Android devices, I don't think there's any equivalent for iPads
[17:49] <bitbyte> ah ok
[17:50] <mhall119> unless someone's gotten CyanogenMod on ipads, which would be interesting
[17:50] <bitbyte> why you using cyanogen mod as a platform to launch ubuntu out of intrest
[17:50] <mhall119> because it lets Ubuntu Touch run on devices made for Android
[17:51] <bitbyte> ok I'm just trying to watch this out of intreste
[17:51] <bitbyte> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3IejI7tpfo
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> mhall119: If you think you can get OpeniBoot to work on a jailbroken iOS device, I'd be humored to see an Ubuntu Touch image on it.
[17:51] <SonikkuAmerica> bitbyte: ^
[17:51] <ricardo_1> In Mexico the new versions of andriod not work for calls until the supplier ...
[17:51] <mhall119> bitbyte: CyanogenMod gives us a compatibility layer so we can run on devices not made for Ubuntu
[17:52] <mhall119> it also let us fill in some holes in Ubuntu Touch until we had our own solution
[17:52] <bitbyte> mmmm I'm going to read into it
[17:52] <mhall119> things like SurfaceFlinger for display server until Mir is ready
[17:52] <mhall119> I think we are, or used to, use some Android bits for media playback
[17:55] <bitbyte> mmm strange this dude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3IejI7tpfo drops the iso but dosnt really go on to say how it boots haha
[18:08] <ZDmitry_> mhall119, yes I can fix hiding keyboard when switch away from the terminal. Just need to set KTerminal focus to false when leave the terminal. Currently, that focus is not changes when you leave the terminal.
[18:08] <stgraber> ogra_: hey, so anything I can help you with for the container flip?
[18:29] <rusman_y_u> hi
[18:30] <rusman_y_u> when we will be able to by Ubuntu - Phone smartphone?
[18:31] <rusman_y_u> what about cost of this device?
[18:31] <rusman_y_u> 300 $ ?
[18:33] <rusman_y_u> whether it will be Motorola?
[18:34] <rusman_y_u> whether the CDMA or GSM module installed?
[18:34] <rusman_y_u> nobody knows
[18:35] <rusman_y_u> i am just wondering
[18:35] <rusman_y_u> i like zenity in ubuntu
[18:36] <rusman_y_u> it is tool for showing dialogs from shell scripts
[18:37] <rusman_y_u> and i can't find zenity for android
[18:37] <rusman_y_u> i hope ubuntu will support it
[18:37] <rusman_y_u> hey
[18:38] <manmatteo> hi to all
[18:38] <rusman_y_u> hi
[18:39] <rusman_y_u> will there apt-gen in ubuntu phone?
[18:39] <rusman_y_u> apt-get*
[18:39] <rusman_y_u> and some repositary?
[18:40] <rusman_y_u> hwo have ubuntu phone installed?
[18:41] <rusman_y_u> please give some info about terminal and bash scripting support
[18:41] <rusman_y_u> is there full featured bash scripting?
[18:42] <rusman_y_u> can we create inteface with ifconfig and run hostapd?
[18:42] <rusman_y_u> please
[18:43] <rusman_y_u> how about sdcard filsystem
[18:45] <rusman_y_u> android problem - is file permissions, every program creates new user in system and new files owned by diffwrend users. no chance to format sd card to ext2 because you got permissions nightmare in this case
[18:47] <rusman_y_u> i guested that new android will use new filesystem aspecially developed for sd cards
[18:47] <rusman_y_u> who knows - does this sysmes supports syslinks like ext2 does?
[18:51] <rusman_y_u> why there is this channel for?
[19:00] <kenvandine> whi
[19:01] <kenvandine> whoops, focus!
[19:06] <mhall119> RSS Reader team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:22] <ogra_> stgraber, well, we need the setup packaged, something like lxc-android-config or so ... but i made a bunch of changes to what you gave to me
[19:23] <ogra_> stgraber, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/ has a tarball with the stuff how i use it atm
[19:23] <ogra_> we should also not need the replace stuff in the end
[19:24] <ogra_> we can fix the init.rc directly in android
[19:25] <stgraber> ogra_: nice
[19:27] <ogra_> we also should have an easy to set config option for adbd ... probably a var in the upstart job you can set
[19:30] <ogra_> hmm, even though we might not need to touch adbd at all, seems it recognizes that there is another adbd running already so as long as upstart starts ours first, we dont need to remove it in the container
[19:34] <mhall119> Oranger: are you availble for the doc viewer team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[19:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: hm, recovery couldn't extract the latest saucy-preinstalled.zip
[19:35] <rsalveti> ogra_: downloading it again
[19:35] <Oranger> mhall119: Yes sorry
[19:38] <mhall119> Kaleo: ping
[19:47] <Kaleo> mhall119: pong
[19:48] <mhall119> Kaleo: hey, document viewer meeting is going on in #ubuntu-touch-meeting, were you the one who was going to implement a way to read command-line args in an SDK component?
[19:49] <Kaleo> mhall119: yes
[19:49] <mhall119> Kaleo: mind jumping into #ubuntu-touch-meeting and giving us an update?
[19:49] <Kaleo> mhall119: i'm there
[20:08] <mhall119> File Manager team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting
[20:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: - exec '/system/bin/sh' failed: No such file or directory (2) -
[20:36] <rsalveti> wonder if it mounted the partitions correctly
[20:53] <mfisch> new powerd landing today with auto-wakeup when you get a call or SMS
[21:24] <mfisch> mhall119: ping
[21:42] <Uto_> hi there
[21:43] <Uto_> I think I get OpenGL ES 2.0 problem
[21:43] <Uto_> can someone can check http://pastebin.com/vFe03pmJ please
[21:46] <rsalveti> Uto_: seems it's still not loading the gles drivers
[21:47] <rsalveti> check if you have them at /vendor/lib/
[21:48] <Uto_> yes I have them
[21:49] <Uto_> gles and adreno files are there
[21:50] <rsalveti> all services are complaining that they cannot find the libraries
[21:50] <rsalveti> maybe the path is not correct
[21:50] <rsalveti> E/MediaPlayerFactory( 1464): Failed to open FACTORY_LIB Error : Cannot load library: load_library(linker.cpp:747): library "libdashplayer.so" not found
[21:50] <rsalveti> E/CameraService( 1464): Could not load camera HAL module
[21:50] <rsalveti> E/HAL     ( 1464): Cannot load library: soinfo_link_image(linker.cpp:1649): could not load library "libcameraface.so" needed by "camera.default.so"; caused by soinfo_link_image(linker.cpp:1649): could not load library "libOlaEngine.so" needed by "libcameraface.so"; caused by soinfo_link_image(linker.cpp:1649): could not load library "libjnigraphics.so" needed by "libOlaEngine.so"; caused by load_library(linker.cpp:747): library "libjnigrap
[21:50] <rsalveti> hics.so" not found
[21:50] <rsalveti> W/AudioPolicyManagerBase( 1464): could not open HW module a2dp
[21:51] <Uto_> I'm re building from scratch
[21:51] <Uto_> we'll see
[22:40] <Tertiary> Just bought a Nexus 7 (Asus) tablet and have been playing with it a bit.  Interested in loading Ubuntu Touch on it and hope that the Raring release is available for Touch now.
[23:07] <rickspencer3> just made my first call with my Nexus 4 and Ubuntu Touch \o/
[23:09] <k1l> :)
[23:15] <mhall119> mfisch: pong
[23:18] <rickspencer3> sergiusens, hey, around at all?
[23:36] <mfisch> mhall119: hey
[23:36] <mfisch> mhall119: is there a system-wide gconf we can use? I know that typically its tied to a user
[23:37] <mfisch> mhall119: I need to go finish cooking dinner, I will be back here in 15
[23:39] <mhall119> mfisch: I don't know about desktop, but I think that's the plan for phablet
[23:46] <bb23> hi guys i have just installed raring-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip   on my TF101 - seems to have worked but a few things seem glitchy - like when i try to type in the wifi password the keyboard doesn't pop up etc..?
[23:47] <bb23> and the names at the top of the menus are yellow/pixelated
[23:48] <mhall119> mfisch: mardy and mpt are the ones to ask about system settings
[23:56] <mfisch> mhall119: okay, I can read a setting from anywhere presumably
[23:59] <jose> hi guys