| knightwise | morning everyone | 05:40 |
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| MartijnV1S | \o | 06:14 |
| ali1234 | is there a tool which will make a bunch of nested directories and small files? for testing filesystems? | 06:15 |
| ali1234 | i want a directory with 10 directories in it, with 10 directories in each of those, and then 10 files in every directory at every level | 06:16 |
| ali1234 | or even better i can choose... | 06:16 |
| MartijnV1S | ali1234: for x in `seq 1 10`; do for y in `seq 1 10`; do mkdir -p $x/$y; done; done | 06:18 |
| MartijnV1S | ali1234: add more nesting as required | 06:18 |
| MartijnV1S | add a "touch" in there if you also want to test *file* entries :) | 06:19 |
| ali1234 | ok, what if i want it 100 levels deep? | 06:19 |
| MartijnV1S | P="."; for x in `seq 1 100`; do P="$P/$x"; mkdir $P; done | 06:22 |
| ali1234 | that won't make a tree... | 06:23 |
| MartijnV1S | ali1234: it makes 1/2/3/4/5 for me | 06:23 |
| ali1234 | i want 1/1/1/1/1/1... * 100 to 100/100/100/100/100... * 100 | 06:23 |
| MartijnV1S | just merge the two command lines I posted | 06:24 |
| ali1234 | ie 100^100 directories | 06:24 |
| MartijnV1S | will that even fit? | 06:24 |
| ali1234 | no | 06:24 |
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| ali1234 | but the point is, i want it to be arbitrary depth and width | 06:24 |
| MartijnVdS | time to break out ye olde perle interpretere | 06:25 |
| ali1234 | you mean pythonr ight | 06:26 |
| MartijnVdS | if you're so inclined | 06:26 |
| ali1234 | hmm why can't i chown a file so i am not the owner of it? | 06:27 |
| MartijnVdS | only if you;re root | 06:27 |
| ali1234 | well that is annoying | 06:27 |
| ali1234 | how can i make a file that i can't delete without being root? | 06:27 |
| MartijnVdS | chattr +i ? | 06:28 |
| MartijnVdS | you can still delete it | 06:28 |
| MartijnVdS | (if you chattr -i it) | 06:28 |
| MartijnVdS | but it's harder | 06:28 |
| ali1234 | it has to make nautilus pop up an error while deleting | 06:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I think chattr does | 06:28 |
| ali1234 | here is the deal: the new nautilus has that combined file progress dialogue | 06:28 |
| ali1234 | so you copy or delete files and it puts them all in one window | 06:28 |
| MartijnVdS | chattr doesn't work on btrfs though | 06:28 |
| ali1234 | but there is a catch: errors still go to the window where you started the copy | 06:28 |
| MartijnVdS | even if you closed that window? | 06:29 |
| ali1234 | and if you closed that window the error never pps up | 06:29 |
| MartijnVdS | fial | 06:29 |
| ali1234 | and the operation just stalls | 06:29 |
| ali1234 | and what is more, no further error from any operation will ever be shown | 06:29 |
| MartijnVdS | that's .. bad | 06:29 |
| ali1234 | so i am trying to make a testcase for this | 06:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: use a directory with a few ISOs, delete one of the ISOs before nautilus gets to it | 06:30 |
| MartijnVdS | or rename it | 06:30 |
| ali1234 | also if you close the stalled operation group window then a new one will never appear | 06:30 |
| ali1234 | so from then on you are working completely blind | 06:30 |
| ali1234 | so i want a small script to make all the files etc | 06:30 |
| ali1234 | and then say "run this, delete the direct in nautilus, close the window" | 06:31 |
| ali1234 | so i need a big directory structure to give time to actually close the window | 06:31 |
| ali1234 | and i need a file that will cuase an error when nautilus tries to delete it | 06:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: or copy a number of large files | 06:31 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 06:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: (on a relatively slow disk, say over SMB) | 06:31 |
| ali1234 | i could set it to no read | 06:31 |
| ali1234 | and then try to copy or move | 06:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: mv file file.not_there_anymore_haha | 06:32 |
| ali1234 | that is too hard for a testcase | 06:32 |
| ali1234 | it has to be easily reproducable | 06:32 |
| MartijnVdS | because gnome devs can't use the command line? | 06:32 |
| ali1234 | right | 06:32 |
| ali1234 | chmod a-rwx and then trying to copy seems to work | 06:34 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:11 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 07:36 |
| knightwise | hey MooDoo diddledan | 07:45 |
| knightwise | diplo: | 07:45 |
| knightwise | hw are you guys today | 07:45 |
| knightwise | aside from freezing arse off | 07:46 |
| MooDoo | lots of people have said they are cold, can't feel it myself. | 07:47 |
| knightwise | MooDoo: where are you hiding out ? | 07:49 |
| MooDoo | knightwise: in the sauna at work ;) | 07:50 |
| diddledan | hello knightwise | 07:54 |
| diplo | Was very sunny here till about 15 mins ago | 07:55 |
| diplo | I've got to spend the next 2 hours sat outside at my kids sports day! | 07:55 |
| diddledan | I really should have thought more thoroughly the time it would take to move a 400GB LVM pv from one disc to another at 8:30 when I should have been travelling to work | 07:55 |
| diplo | At least they can run around :( | 07:55 |
| diddledan | ouch | 07:55 |
| diddledan | 20% done | 07:56 |
| diddledan | sports day fttptc | 07:58 |
| diddledan | that's "for the 'taking part that counts'" | 07:58 |
| diddledan | alternatively ftwld | 07:59 |
| diddledan | for the win lose or draw | 07:59 |
| knightwise | does anyone know the difference between Mint Xfce and Ubuntu ? | 08:00 |
| knightwise | (if you take the LTS versions ? ) | 08:00 |
| diddledan | knightwise: mint xfce doesn't use unity | 08:00 |
| knightwise | diddledan: Sorry i mistyped | 08:00 |
| knightwise | Mint XFCE and Xubuntu | 08:01 |
| diddledan | mint guys include some "added extras" which aren't available in the ubuntu repos | 08:01 |
| knightwise | ok , so its a "richer" 12.04 | 08:01 |
| diddledan | I wouldn't say richer unless those added extras are things you want | 08:02 |
| diddledan | I forget what they add in their repo | 08:02 |
| ali1234 | mint has a totally reworked package manager | 08:02 |
| knightwise | ok , so no Ubuntu software center there | 08:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 08:03 |
| knightwise | ok , | 08:05 |
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| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | morning | 09:14 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:15 |
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| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:06 |
| BigRedS | Goood Morning! | 10:07 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 10:10 |
| MooDoo | morning morning morning | 10:17 |
| MattJ | Good morning | 10:45 |
| andrewebdev | morning all. Am in a spot of trouble here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/298881/13-04-unity-graphics-suddenly-broken-for-no-reason | 10:46 |
| MooDoo | morning | 10:46 |
| andrewebdev | I'm wondering if unity stores some info about the desktop, layout and graphics in my home folder? If so where is that located and am I safe to just delete all of that? | 10:47 |
| czajkowski | andrewebdev: you might have some luck in #ubuntu-desktop | 10:53 |
| czajkowski | as all the devs are in the channel | 10:53 |
| andrewebdev | ah cool | 10:53 |
| bigcalm | When in doubt about desktop environment settings, I create a new user and log in as it. That was I get to see the defaults | 10:57 |
| mungbean | was alan wake game any good? | 11:06 |
| mungbean | windows only i know :( | 11:06 |
| directhex | alan wake i enjoyed | 11:10 |
| directhex | it's better than a lot of modern horror games | 11:10 |
| directhex | i felt the writing was far above average | 11:10 |
| mungbean | they are doing a pay what u like | 11:11 |
| mungbean | but who am i kidding, when would i get the time to play it? | 11:12 |
| mungbean | or the inclination to install windows | 11:12 |
| mungbean | i just bought myself a kick scooter for commuting | 11:17 |
| mungbean | to make the journey between stations more interesting | 11:17 |
| BigRedS | windows is a lot less bad to install than it used to be, you only really need to get the network driver manually IME | 11:17 |
| mungbean | well you also need disk space, time, windows, etc | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | oh, yeah. But given those | 11:18 |
| BigRedS | also, mine's a legitimate OEM one so no faffing with circumventing protections | 11:19 |
| knightwise | there | 11:28 |
| knightwise | Ubuntu studio isntalled on the little laptop | 11:28 |
| knightwise | :) | 11:28 |
| knightwise | Xfce is a tad faster then unity i must say | 11:28 |
| mungbean | try elementary, fastest of the lot while still having bling | 11:37 |
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| mungbean | question about giffgaff payback - if i have 500 points and can't reclaim via paypal because they want 1000 pts minimum, what happens? | 11:44 |
| mungbean | do your points hang around till the next payback? | 11:44 |
| BigRedS | knightwise: it's also way more clunky | 11:45 |
| * mungbean remembers to change his goofdybag to the 7.50 one | 11:46 | |
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| knightwise | BigRedS: it depends. | 11:54 |
| knightwise | i use kupfer as my launcher and try to use keyboard commands as much as possible | 11:54 |
| knightwise | its not that bad then | 11:54 |
| ew3r23r | !Cozette [14084] Naked Empire - Terry Goodkind.epub | 12:18 |
| lubotu3` | ew3r23r: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) | 12:18 |
| mungbean | my wife only just found out what happened yesterday in woolwich :-| | 12:18 |
| BigRedS | knightwise: I couldn't work out how to get dual monitors to do anything but mirror, and the alt-f2 box took about 12 seconds to appear so I went back to Unity | 12:19 |
| diplo | Anyone know of any python modules that scan for metadata ( info ) from all media files, basically want to create a library like xbmcs | 12:27 |
| diplo | Going to check their code later to see how they do it, but was wondering if there was a generic one or I'm going to have to do mp3tag one and then something else for movies | 12:28 |
| diplo | Seems like calling mplayer with the options i need is the way most people are doing it | 12:29 |
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| bigcalm | Tum-te-tum-te-tum | 13:56 |
| bigcalm | Feels like Friday | 13:56 |
| shauno | diplo: I'd probably look at the python gstreamer libs? (look at gstfile.py in python-gst I believe) | 13:59 |
| penguin42 | bigcalm: Not quite | 13:59 |
| penguin42 | and anyway, I've got the week off, so don't make my holiday go any faster thank you | 13:59 |
| diplo | shauno: ta, hadn't come across that yet | 14:00 |
| * diplo looks | 14:00 | |
| SuperMatt | I've had such a long run of 4 day weeks, for various reasons, that 5 day weeks are getting really dedious | 14:00 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Sue went up town today instead of tomorrow so I really think it's friday, I was so looking forward to the weekend :( | 14:00 |
| shauno | that should give you a common method to get tags from anything gstreamer handles, that than worrying about per-codec like mp3tag | 14:00 |
| knightwise | anyone know a nice ubuntu client | 14:01 |
| knightwise | i tried hottot several times but it just doesnt seem to work | 14:01 |
| knightwise | i boot it up but when I need to type in my account .. it just freezes | 14:01 |
| drbalor | czajkowski: http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/w16.jpg <-- never say I don't think of you | 14:02 |
| czajkowski | drbalor: lol | 14:03 |
| davmor2 | knightwise: if you are on 13.04 you can try friends, still early development but much nicer than gwibber, or just use the webapp maybe? | 14:03 |
| knightwise | yeah davmor2 but I would like to update twitter and facebook at the same time | 14:05 |
| knightwise | friends app is still very early days | 14:05 |
| mungbean | anyonen tried cronopete? | 14:06 |
| mungbean | http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/cronopete.html | 14:06 |
| BigRedS | does that use fancy fs features, or just hardlinks? | 14:12 |
| mungbean | dunno | 14:12 |
| directhex | it does a full tarball snapshot of your rootfs every 5 minutes, obviously! | 14:13 |
| funkyHat | https://github.com/rastersoft/cronopete/blob/master/doc/README.html < explanation there mungbean, BigRedS. | 14:17 |
| funkyHat | Looks like it does the hardlink thing like all the rsync backup things, but from the description I'm guessing it doesn't actually use rsync, and just comapres modified times | 14:17 |
| funkyHat | The main "clever" thing that Time Machine does is uses directory hardlinks, so it doesn't even have to keep a tree of links if that part of the fs hasn't changed. Which means it only works on HFS+. And then it breaks if you use a network backup location and you close the lid the wrong way while it's backing up, and trashes the whole of your backup history. | 14:20 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: gran's funeral tomorrow makes for a sort week and a crappy way to start a long weekend | 14:24 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: indeed | 14:24 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: why do I want pie when talking to you? | 14:26 |
| mungbean | wife tells me my son just had a 30 minute kick/screaming tantrum in tesco over a bread roll :S 5 strangers came up to him to try and calm him down | 14:27 |
| mungbean | the joy of toddlers | 14:27 |
| bigcalm | I think humanity would be better off without children | 14:27 |
| funkyHat | Perhaps in the short to medium term | 14:28 |
| mgdm | mungbean: :/ | 14:28 |
| mungbean | bigcalm: might start to have an impact soonish though | 14:29 |
| bigcalm | Maybe this is how life would be without children as we know them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_and_the_Stars#Setting | 14:32 |
| bigcalm | I should re-ready my sifi collections | 14:32 |
| bigcalm | reread | 14:32 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: because I am the piemaster of olde ye London Town all who call upon my name require pie as sustenance :D | 14:32 |
| mungbean | did anyone read enders game and think it was lame? | 14:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: that or you are thinking of the pie factory | 14:33 |
| mungbean | everyone seems to rave about it | 14:33 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: mmmmm, pie factory | 14:33 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: not the first option then | 14:33 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I do not trust any London pie references for I have seen Sweeney Todd | 14:34 |
| funkyHat | mmmmm london pie | 14:38 |
| JamesTait | $TZAG, all. :) | 14:38 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: see that's your problem you are trying to cram all of London into a pie of course there will be the odd person in the mix who didn't get out the way quick enough :D | 14:40 |
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| penguin42 | gah my notes on how to boot this netflex were nowhere near enough | 14:55 |
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| penguin42 | hmm - if I've got a debootstrap'd (but not working world) can I push another package into it? | 15:53 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: chroot into it, dpkg -i ? | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | or doesn't chroot work either? | 15:54 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: You know how I said it wasn't working :-) | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: it could be that /bin/sh at least worked | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | but not much else | 15:54 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: you could do it the hard way(r) and un-ar the deb, untar the data.tar.gz into the chroot, then run the package scripts (chrooted) from one of the other .tar.gzs | 15:55 |
| MartijnVdS | but .. I don't know exactly what kinds of failure modes that creates | 15:55 |
| shauno | you should be able to dpkg -i --root=/mnt/target yourpackage.deb | 15:55 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh, dpkg has a --root option | 15:55 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 15:55 |
| shauno | that also runs pre/post in chroot though, so if your target is broken enough that they might fail, it's still thin ice | 15:56 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Nice! | 15:56 |
| penguin42 | shauno: I want to install the -dbg package for libc | 15:57 |
| penguin42 | this is an armhf root inside a an armel root on an android machine with an old kernel | 16:01 |
| penguin42 | right, nothing that --force-all doesn't fix :-) | 16:02 |
| daftykins | saw someone struggling with a messed up EFI installation attempt from 13.04 last night | 16:04 |
| daftykins | anyone know if 13.04's ubiquity can handle changing between an MBR and GPT setup on a disk during the partition stage? | 16:04 |
| daftykins | i should really VM it and try ^_^ not even touched that version yet | 16:04 |
| xnox | daftykins: GPT vs PC-BIOS partition table does not matter for UEFI. | 16:05 |
| xnox | daftykins: in general it preserves existing partition table. | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | doesn't that depend on your uefi implementation? | 16:05 |
| xnox | MartijnVdS: no. | 16:05 |
| daftykins | xnox: that's not what i asked | 16:06 |
| xnox | MartijnVdS: it depends on the bootloader, and grub will happily UEFI boot of any. | 16:06 |
| xnox | daftykins: you can wipe and create a new partition table, but it doesn't offer you to choose which one you want, nor will it convert one to another. | 16:06 |
| daftykins | that's a bit weak | 16:06 |
| MartijnVdS | xnox: but what if UEFI can't find the boot partition because it doesn't know how to read that specific kind of partiton scheme? | 16:07 |
| shauno | most I've run across have both schemes, which is bad for your sanity, but works | 16:08 |
| xnox | MartijnVdS: UEFI is a specification - a text document =) firmware generally can bring up a disk drive. And there is only one UEFI partition allowed per drive, it doesn't even read partition scheme, just searches for the marker/label. | 16:08 |
| xnox | of the efi partition. | 16:09 |
| MartijnVdS | xnox: Does the UEFI spec specify which partition types it must be able to read boot-code from? :) | 16:09 |
| xnox | which is reduced FAT. | 16:09 |
| MartijnVdS | ah | 16:09 |
| MartijnVdS | scary | 16:09 |
| xnox | MartijnVdS: yes, EFI partition label, which is reduced-scope & limited FAT. | 16:09 |
| directhex | the UEFI spec mandates FAT for the EFI system partition, and includes the full specification of the filesystem (and requisite patent license) | 16:10 |
| daftykins | a specification PC manufacturers have yet to get right | 16:10 |
| xnox | lowest commend denominator which _everyone_ knows how to read =) | 16:10 |
| MartijnVdS | xnox: and they did so well with iso9660 | 16:10 |
| MartijnVdS | xnox: and/or ufs | 16:10 |
| MartijnVdS | no not ufs.. the other one | 16:10 |
| MartijnVdS | UDF | 16:11 |
| shauno | pick a standard, any standard, we have hundreds to choose from ;) | 16:11 |
| daftykins | few standards are standard :< | 16:11 |
| MartijnVdS | ooh, I have "new maps" now | 16:13 |
| daftykins | latest Google Maps app? | 16:14 |
| MartijnVdS | website | 16:14 |
| daftykins | ah | 16:14 |
| MartijnVdS | it's an obvious beta though | 16:14 |
| MartijnVdS | or it doesn't like my gpu | 16:14 |
| MartijnVdS | or both | 16:14 |
| daftykins | or driver | 16:15 |
| MartijnVdS | Intel | 16:15 |
| daftykins | or wind direction | 16:16 |
| MartijnVdS | waiting for Haswell now.. only a few more weeks | 16:17 |
| daftykins | do you upgrade much? | 16:19 |
| penguin42 | has someone got a running arm system (modern kernel) that they can give me a /proc/self/maps from? | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: Not as often as I used to | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | this is a pre-SandyBridge i3, so it's getting a bit oldish | 16:19 |
| daftykins | haha | 16:20 |
| directhex | penguin42, how modern a kernel? | 16:20 |
| daftykins | i'm still rocking LGA775 | 16:20 |
| directhex | penguin42, my efikamx is bound to an ancient freescale kernel | 16:20 |
| penguin42 | directhex: anything new enough to run armhf | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: isn't that 1990s? THe old intel card? | 16:20 |
| daftykins | :P | 16:20 |
| directhex | daftykins, pfft, and to think you used to be part of the pc enthusiast community :< | 16:20 |
| * penguin42 has an i7-860 | 16:20 | |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: oh wait that waws the "740" | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: I have the i3-530 from that era | 16:21 |
| daftykins | directhex: yip, guess i grew up :D | 16:21 |
| directhex | penguin42, http://paste.debian.net/6044/ | 16:21 |
| directhex | i7-920! | 16:21 |
| directhex | on socket 1366! | 16:21 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm saving up money for the 4770k or something similar | 16:21 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Hmm and that's running armhf? | 16:21 |
| * penguin42 was expecting a vector page at the top | 16:21 | |
| directhex | penguin42, notice the triplet in /lib | 16:22 |
| directhex | penguin42, but, again, this is an ancient freescale kernel | 16:22 |
| directhex | penguin42, let me ssh to a debian porterbox | 16:22 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Hmm - my problem is I've got this nook, and it runs an armel chroot fine, but the debian armhf segs in ld-linux, I've already built a new kernel with the vector page in, but it's still not happy - so I'm assuming it's missing something useful from the kernel - just not figured out what yet | 16:23 |
| directhex | penguin42, okay, harris.d.o: http://paste.debian.net/6045/ | 16:23 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Thanks! | 16:23 |
| penguin42 | hmm, ok - so my theory of it being memory layout is bogus - that's the same as my new kernel | 16:24 |
| daftykins | on the topic of upgrading, i'm too aware of how, even if i did have the latest hardware, it wouldn't actually feel any more worth it than what i run now | 16:30 |
| daftykins | the only true change is that of your bank balance :D | 16:30 |
| penguin42 | yeh I used to upgrade when I could get something 5 times faster, these days that's just not doable | 16:30 |
| daftykins | *nod* | 16:30 |
| daftykins | i went from an Athlon XP to a quad-core Intel last, that felt nice | 16:31 |
| penguin42 | P90->533MHz Alpha->Dual 1.8GHz Athlon were my first 3 Linux machines | 16:31 |
| daftykins | probably won't see that change again, just newer OS's that are chunkier so need faster hardware to make them feel as smooth as Windows 7 atop my intel quad | 16:32 |
| daftykins | penguin42: nice :D | 16:32 |
| penguin42 | then core2, then this i7-860 | 16:32 |
| daftykins | i'm putting a gaming PC together for a friend soon, that'll give me the ideal exposure to new hardware to see just how disappointed i'd be, assembling one for myself - only without spending the money! :D | 16:36 |
| daftykins | actually i put together an i7 3770 for a client a while back too, so i've already done it | 16:37 |
| directhex | this pc is 4 years old now. all original parts | 16:38 |
| * penguin42 doesn't really game | 16:38 | |
| directhex | except for the extra 6G RAM i bought from Azelphur | 16:38 |
| directhex | and the two GPU upgrades | 16:38 |
| directhex | and the SSD | 16:38 |
| directhex | other than that, totally original 4 year old pc! | 16:38 |
| penguin42 | so yeh other than most of the rest of the machine it's just the same.... | 16:40 |
| * penguin42 has only added an SSD in the 3 years since he had this | 16:41 | |
| directhex | well, the motherboard and cpu are original | 16:41 |
| directhex | and the case and the power supply | 16:41 |
| shauno | I tend to max mine for ram as soon as I can. after that, upgrades get boring | 16:41 |
| directhex | and, um, the blu-ray drive | 16:41 |
| directhex | also it no longer runs vista home basic :D | 16:42 |
| * penguin42 rarely pushes the 8GB on this home machine | 16:42 | |
| penguin42 | ahha - the TLS register is 0 | 16:43 |
| shauno | I hit that with VMs way too easily. a bit disappointed this one won't go past 16 | 16:43 |
| penguin42 | shauno: I tend not to have big VMs, I have two or three with playing with things or trying different versions out, but if I'm doing a big dev (like I had one which had a new KDE build in) I just let that take most of the RAM | 16:45 |
| shauno | I have an appliance that cries foul if it doesn't have 8GB at install-time (but can be reduced later), and a dependency that gets cranky in less than 2 | 16:47 |
| shauno | so half my laptop is eaten before I've even started doing anything :/ | 16:47 |
| penguin42 | ouch | 16:47 |
| * penguin42 does have a machine with 128GB at work, very nice for looking at large debug traces on | 16:47 | |
| daftykins | lol Vista home basic | 16:47 |
| daftykins | bad directhex! | 16:47 |
| daftykins | (for the past) | 16:47 |
| directhex | penguin42, i miss the 1T server at work | 16:48 |
| directhex | daftykins, i had a vista ultimate upgrade from work, but needed a base oem OS first for licensing raisins | 16:48 |
| penguin42 | ooh 1T, yes that would be fun | 16:48 |
| penguin42 | directhex: Was that a test machine or did it use 1T for something useful? | 16:48 |
| directhex | penguin42, itanium powered! | 16:49 |
| penguin42 | superdome? | 16:50 |
| directhex | penguin42, you'd be amazed what kind of new science is possible when you can load data sets that large into a single system image | 16:50 |
| penguin42 | or UV? | 16:50 |
| directhex | penguin42, predates UV. altix 4700 | 16:50 |
| penguin42 | ah ok, yeh | 16:50 |
| penguin42 | yeh we had a one or two brick altix for testing | 16:50 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life | ||
| daftykins | £57.75 for a new main oven thermostat for my smeg oven :( | 17:34 |
| directhex | smegging hell :| | 17:34 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: How old is it? | 17:34 |
| daftykins | er dunno, i got it with the place i bought | 17:34 |
| daftykins | looks like it got converted for Guernsey's gas supply back in 2005 | 17:35 |
| daftykins | so probably that old | 17:35 |
| daftykins | i called someone around to repair it, he was going to order me the part but i've heard nothing in over a month! | 17:38 |
| daftykins | which is great because it's an easy job so i'll just do it myself | 17:38 |
| penguin42 | are you allowed to or does it fall under the type of things you can be hung for tampering with a gas appliance? | 17:44 |
| * penguin42 wonders if Guernsey's gas is thicker and creamier | 17:45 | |
| daftykins | thinner and rubbisher :( | 17:45 |
| daftykins | LPG | 17:45 |
| penguin42 | yeuch | 17:45 |
| daftykins | ah well it's an electric oven part so yeah should be fine | 17:45 |
| daftykins | hrmm ebay is half that price | 17:45 |
| daftykins | but do i trust them? | 17:46 |
| shauno | what could possibly go wrong? | 17:47 |
| daftykins | indeed | 17:47 |
| daftykins | £34.99 on ebay | 17:47 |
| daftykins | think i'd rather spend more and get it from a reputable firm | 17:48 |
| daftykins | espares.co.uk seems legit | 17:48 |
| daftykins | but twice the price is harsh :( | 17:48 |
| diddledan | mornin | 17:52 |
| diddledan | so.. when you boot into windows for the first time in however long, don't trust the clock to tell you when it's time to go home | 17:52 |
| penguin42 | haha | 17:53 |
| diddledan | I was all set to stay till 7pm thinking it'ld be 6pm | 17:53 |
| daftykins | :> | 17:54 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: You last booted before the summertime change? | 17:55 |
| daftykins | that element of multi-boot was often a pain | 17:55 |
| diddledan | side note however is that ubuntu runs quite nicely under hyper-v | 17:55 |
| daftykins | i find hyper-v nasty, the whole domain + SQL server requirement | 17:55 |
| diddledan | penguin42: nah, it's the issue with windows using localtime from the rtc while ubuntu uses gmt in the rtc | 17:56 |
| diddledan | so once ubuntu sets the RTC to gmt (localtime - 1 hour) then windows reads localtime back from the RTC without correcting | 17:57 |
| penguin42 | diddledan: You can configure which it will use can't you? | 17:57 |
| diddledan | yeah, but I haven't | 17:57 |
| diddledan | I'd completely forgotten about the issue until 5/6pm today and I wondered why I was the last person in the office | 17:58 |
| diddledan | daftykins: no domains or sql server here | 17:59 |
| daftykins | on the host box running hyper-v? | 18:00 |
| diddledan | yup | 18:00 |
| daftykins | used to be their requirement i thought, perhaps they've lifted it | 18:00 |
| daftykins | or maybe that's just to use SCVMM | 18:00 |
| diddledan | yeah system center probably requires both of those | 18:01 |
| diddledan | the hyper-v itself works fine on it's own - they've even packaged a free version of windows server to just run hyper-v similar to the freebie offerings of citrix and vmware | 18:02 |
| daftykins | ah yeah, it's a bit useless if you have to control the host via RDP to run VMs though | 18:07 |
| daftykins | ah great, websites that don't have the Channel Islands listed on their payment pages | 18:20 |
| daftykins | and also charge VAT :( | 18:21 |
| knightwise | hey everyone | 18:21 |
| shauno | heh, I only found that out very recently. had a customer who complained about being charged VAT, which left us with a blank face | 18:23 |
| diddledan | o_O | 18:24 |
| shauno | actually, there's a question for you. do you usually get charged VAT for delivery? | 18:24 |
| diddledan | channel islands don't pay vat? | 18:24 |
| diddledan | I knew amazon et al got around vat by putting their distribution centre on the islands | 18:25 |
| daftykins | that only worked until LVCR, low value consignment relief got canned | 18:26 |
| diddledan | I didn't know that residents didn't pay vat either | 18:26 |
| daftykins | we have our own government | 18:26 |
| daftykins | so yeah, our own laws | 18:26 |
| diddledan | which island is the one with feudal government? :-p | 18:26 |
| daftykins | Sark | 18:27 |
| daftykins | should be going there this bank holiday Monday for a birthday event actually :O | 18:27 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 18:27 |
| daftykins | ^_^ | 18:28 |
| daftykins | not been over in a while | 18:28 |
| daftykins | though allegedly it might rain Monday :< | 18:28 |
| diddledan | looks like I might have won a freelance web dev contract \o/ | 18:29 |
| diddledan | I rock | 18:29 |
| daftykins | :O nice | 18:29 |
| diddledan | rain doesn't rock | 18:29 |
| daftykins | i hope you're nice and moral with your fees | 18:29 |
| daftykins | a client of mine recently got fleeced for a custom skin on wordpress deal, to the tune of 3 grand >_< | 18:29 |
| diddledan | yes, I bid higher than everyone else | 18:29 |
| diddledan | :-p | 18:29 |
| daftykins | and offered hosting for it... get this... | 18:29 |
| daftykins | for £1200/yr | 18:30 |
| daftykins | ¬_¬ | 18:30 |
| diddledan | ouchies | 18:30 |
| diddledan | that's an expensive hosting | 18:30 |
| daftykins | i was able to at least pinch the hosting part :D | 18:30 |
| daftykins | 1) buy VPS 2) host site 3) charge 10% of the above | 18:30 |
| diddledan | fair enough I pay in the tune of about 300£ per mo on servery stuff but 1200 for a single site is crazy | 18:30 |
| daftykins | you got that many up though? | 18:31 |
| diddledan | nope, all personal stuff | 18:31 |
| daftykins | this is my first client for the hosting part :D | 18:31 |
| daftykins | got myself one of bytemark's bigv VPSs | 18:31 |
| diddledan | I've been waiting for someone in #ubuntu-mirror to pull their wotsit out and review my mirror request - uk.ubuntu.bowlhat.net | 18:32 |
| daftykins | :D | 18:32 |
| daftykins | i'd like it if the Guernsey mirror weren't just a fake, at least i think it is a fake | 18:32 |
| daftykins | gg.archive.ubuntu.com iirc | 18:32 |
| daftykins | yep it's going to London | 18:33 |
| shauno | I'd like it if the ie mirror wasn't slower than using an australian one :/ | 18:33 |
| daftykins | getting lost in cogentco mirrors and ooh orobas.canonical.com | 18:33 |
| diddledan | use mine ! :-p | 18:33 |
| daftykins | :O | 18:33 |
| shauno | actually, they seem to be quicker than gb today. that's new. if it's not a fluke, I might actually start using it again | 18:40 |
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| lardman | Evening all. Are there many people with multihead (and multicard) setups here? | 19:46 |
| lardman | As usual, my working 3 monitor setup (under Precise) has become non-working with an upgrade to Raring, though this time I don't seem to be able to find any lucky Xorg.conf combination to get it back again | 19:47 |
| * lardman wonders if there's a multihead "support" group :) | 19:48 | |
| AlanBell | if you are using an xorg.conf then it has already gone horribly wrong | 19:55 |
| AlanBell | I use dual screen (laptop+external monitor) | 19:55 |
| AlanBell | and unity is a bit rubbish on it | 19:55 |
| AlanBell | gnome shell isn't much better | 19:57 |
| lardman | ah, well I'm trying to not use Unity, and am using the "fallback" setup | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | what's the name of that screen recording tool? it's called yazzam or something... | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | kazam | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | i was close | 19:58 |
| lardman | Unfortunately my setup is a little complicated, single monitor on an nVidia card and two on an ATi; xinerama all round, worked perfectly (with some fiddling after each upgrade), but no longer | 19:58 |
| ali1234 | lardman: azelphur is our expert on these things | 19:59 |
| ali1234 | by which i mean the only person here who uses it | 19:59 |
| Azelphur | I havn't tried 13.04 yet | 19:59 |
| Azelphur | but I run XFCE, it's much less of a pain in the ass for multi monitor | 20:00 |
| lardman | Azelphur: what cards (manuf) do you use? | 20:00 |
| Azelphur | nvidia 570 + 630 | 20:01 |
| * lardman curses xchat-gnome for not letting him change from , to : | 20:01 | |
| * AlanBell upgrades server to 13.04 | 20:01 | |
| lardman | ah, single manufacturer, I'm tempted to ditch the ATi card to see if that makes life easier | 20:01 |
| mungbean | Azelphur: u in margate? | 20:01 |
| Azelphur | mungbean: yup | 20:01 |
| AlanBell | power cut today rebooted me so I might as well update | 20:01 |
| mungbean | did i watch the mary portas prog? | 20:02 |
| Azelphur | I dunno, sorry the cameras I have in your front room arn't working atm | 20:02 |
| mungbean | i/u | 20:02 |
| Azelphur | nope :P | 20:02 |
| mungbean | it was about margate | 20:02 |
| mungbean | shopping and how grim it is | 20:03 |
| Azelphur | I see, the whole "all the businesses in margate are shutting down" thing? | 20:03 |
| mungbean | watch it :P | 20:03 |
| lardman | Azelphur: what setup do you use? Twinview(?) or xinerama or single server per monitor? | 20:04 |
| Azelphur | lardman: 2x twinview | 20:05 |
| Azelphur | lol | 20:05 |
| lardman | hmm, this is one of the places where Windows is so much better than Windows - multimonitor just works, as does hw accel even across different manuf cards. Annoying | 20:06 |
| lardman | doh | 20:06 |
| lardman | Windows->Linux in the second case | 20:07 |
| funkyHat | I've never had an issue with 2 monitors on Linux, but then I haven't had 2 monitors at once for all that long I suppose (well, a few years now but yeah) | 20:08 |
| lardman | funkyHat: driven by the same card? | 20:09 |
| funkyHat | lardman: yes | 20:09 |
| lardman | yeah, that tends to be easier as you can use the proprietary driver built-in multimonitor support | 20:09 |
| funkyHat | For a while it's been with the open source radeon drivers, actually | 20:10 |
| lardman | yeah true, not in the old days though | 20:10 |
| lardman | bbiab | 20:10 |
| === lardman is now known as lardman|afk | ||
| === lardman|afk is now known as lardman | ||
| lardman | re | 20:28 |
| lardman | I seem to remember that my particularly unimpressive Ati card is not (well) supported by the open source radeon driver, but I must check again | 20:29 |
| ali1234 | wonderful | 20:29 |
| funkyHat | superb | 20:30 |
| * lardman goes to look for Xorg segfault bug reports | 20:31 | |
| ali1234 | dell... sucks so bad | 20:31 |
| mungbean | ? | 20:32 |
| ali1234 | i don't know if i should even tell this story, that's how bad it is | 20:32 |
| mungbean | i like dell | 20:32 |
| mungbean | business lines | 20:32 |
| funkyHat | dell are a mixed bag, in my opinion | 20:32 |
| lardman | this Dell laptop works well under Linux | 20:33 |
| ali1234 | let's just say... if you send a laptop to dell for repair, wipe it first. because you don't just have to worry about dell employees seeing the contents. | 20:35 |
| === kabads_ is now known as kabads | ||
| mungbean | continue.. | 20:35 |
| daftykins | ah, latest nvidia cards finally got outed | 20:36 |
| lardman | 780? | 20:36 |
| mungbean | ali1234: another hugin stitch, no intervention, wheres the stitch pt? | 20:39 |
| daftykins | yep | 20:39 |
| mungbean | http://www.flickr.com/photos/oimon/8806487576/ | 20:39 |
| daftykins | GTX 780 indeed | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | mungbean: just slightly to the right of the wing cannons in the yellow part it is visible | 20:39 |
| ali1234 | it's pretty good though. hooray for open source | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | (also quite visible in the roof supports) | 20:40 |
| ali1234 | also another one visible on the red cord thing in front | 20:41 |
| ali1234 | would probably take me no more than 10 minutes to fix those bits up in photoshop, so that probably is a time saver even if it isn't perfect | 20:42 |
| mungbean | yep :) | 20:42 |
| mungbean | the biggest thing is perspective tweaking | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | really though the point where it fails is when you have horizontal and vertical stitching | 20:43 |
| ali1234 | that seems to be harder to deal with | 20:43 |
| mungbean | its much better with exposure gandling than the canon one | 20:43 |
| lardman | daftykins: mmm, that looks pretty cool | 20:48 |
| lardman | so does the Typhoon :) | 20:48 |
| lardman | Is the 780 the same gen as the Titan? | 20:53 |
| directhex | afaik yes | 20:55 |
| * lardman wonders if his power supply is enough to power one of those | 20:57 | |
| daftykins | yeah it's a cutdown Titan | 20:57 |
| daftykins | you'd want 650W+ depending on the rest of your system | 20:57 |
| lardman | oh it's cut down is it, interesting | 20:58 |
| lardman | I think I have a 1000W supply, so should be enough power, space might be the issue though | 20:59 |
| daftykins | haha 1kW | 20:59 |
| daftykins | madness | 20:59 |
| lardman | 1000W sounds like quite a lot mind you | 20:59 |
| daftykins | sounds like enthusiast spec alright | 20:59 |
| penguin42 | with a PSU like that you can make tea | 20:59 |
| lardman | yeah sure can, warms up my legs when I'm doing sim work | 21:00 |
| lardman | and bloody noisy too | 21:00 |
| daftykins | ugh remoted into a clients system to perform a Google Apps migration | 21:03 |
| daftykins | Google Apps Sync for Microsoft Outlook is saying 'Error: cannot create profile' =| | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKu20y1f_RU can anyone make that video play past 11:57? | 21:07 |
| daftykins | nope seems knackered | 21:08 |
| daftykins | froze up about 11:55 then kept the same frame | 21:08 |
| daftykins | won't seek | 21:08 |
| shauno | works fine here (played from 11:40 to 12:40) | 21:09 |
| diddledan | I can seek past 11:55 from the start | 21:09 |
| diddledan | got to 13:58 then the endscreen popped up | 21:09 |
| diddledan | now it's reporting the video is 2:22 long | 21:10 |
| shauno | past the 14min mark now | 21:10 |
| shauno | not on linux, but call it a control test I guess. | 21:11 |
| diddledan | I'm on 'dows | 21:12 |
| shauno | orly? that's curious | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | yeah i got past 11:57 be seeking then it cut out again at 16:01 | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | i reported it | 21:13 |
| shauno | curious, either of you using Chrome? | 21:15 |
| diddledan | yup | 21:15 |
| shauno | if I play in chrome, it hiccups somewhere around 13:58 .. sends the seek bar to the start, but starts replaying video from about 5 second prior | 21:16 |
| shauno | if I play it in safari, I don't see any issues at all (chrome bundles's own flash build) | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | firefox | 21:17 |
| shauno | well there goes that theory :/ still curious that I get different results in different flash builds though | 21:18 |
| daftykins | battery dying so time to do other stuff | 22:40 |
| daftykins | g'night all \o | 22:40 |
| * lardman also heads for bed | 22:46 | |
| lardman | night all | 22:46 |
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