[05:40] morning everyone [06:14] \o [06:15] is there a tool which will make a bunch of nested directories and small files? for testing filesystems? [06:16] i want a directory with 10 directories in it, with 10 directories in each of those, and then 10 files in every directory at every level [06:16] or even better i can choose... [06:18] ali1234: for x in `seq 1 10`; do for y in `seq 1 10`; do mkdir -p $x/$y; done; done [06:18] ali1234: add more nesting as required [06:19] add a "touch" in there if you also want to test *file* entries :) [06:19] ok, what if i want it 100 levels deep? [06:22] P="."; for x in `seq 1 100`; do P="$P/$x"; mkdir $P; done [06:23] that won't make a tree... [06:23] ali1234: it makes 1/2/3/4/5 for me [06:23] i want 1/1/1/1/1/1... * 100 to 100/100/100/100/100... * 100 [06:24] just merge the two command lines I posted [06:24] ie 100^100 directories [06:24] will that even fit? [06:24] no === MartijnV1S is now known as MartijnVdS [06:24] but the point is, i want it to be arbitrary depth and width [06:25] time to break out ye olde perle interpretere [06:26] you mean pythonr ight [06:26] if you're so inclined [06:27] hmm why can't i chown a file so i am not the owner of it? [06:27] only if you;re root [06:27] well that is annoying [06:27] how can i make a file that i can't delete without being root? [06:28] chattr +i ? [06:28] you can still delete it [06:28] (if you chattr -i it) [06:28] but it's harder [06:28] it has to make nautilus pop up an error while deleting [06:28] I think chattr does [06:28] here is the deal: the new nautilus has that combined file progress dialogue [06:28] so you copy or delete files and it puts them all in one window [06:28] chattr doesn't work on btrfs though [06:28] but there is a catch: errors still go to the window where you started the copy [06:29] even if you closed that window? [06:29] and if you closed that window the error never pps up [06:29] fial [06:29] and the operation just stalls [06:29] and what is more, no further error from any operation will ever be shown [06:29] that's .. bad [06:29] so i am trying to make a testcase for this [06:30] ali1234: use a directory with a few ISOs, delete one of the ISOs before nautilus gets to it [06:30] or rename it [06:30] also if you close the stalled operation group window then a new one will never appear [06:30] so from then on you are working completely blind [06:30] so i want a small script to make all the files etc [06:31] and then say "run this, delete the direct in nautilus, close the window" [06:31] so i need a big directory structure to give time to actually close the window [06:31] and i need a file that will cuase an error when nautilus tries to delete it [06:31] ali1234: or copy a number of large files [06:31] hmm [06:31] ali1234: (on a relatively slow disk, say over SMB) [06:31] i could set it to no read [06:32] and then try to copy or move [06:32] ali1234: mv file file.not_there_anymore_haha [06:32] that is too hard for a testcase [06:32] it has to be easily reproducable [06:32] because gnome devs can't use the command line? [06:32] right [06:34] chmod a-rwx and then trying to copy seems to work [07:11] Morning all [07:36] hello all [07:45] hey MooDoo diddledan [07:45] diplo: [07:45] hw are you guys today [07:46] aside from freezing arse off [07:47] lots of people have said they are cold, can't feel it myself. [07:49] MooDoo: where are you hiding out ? [07:50] knightwise: in the sauna at work ;) [07:54] hello knightwise [07:55] Was very sunny here till about 15 mins ago [07:55] I've got to spend the next 2 hours sat outside at my kids sports day! [07:55] I really should have thought more thoroughly the time it would take to move a 400GB LVM pv from one disc to another at 8:30 when I should have been travelling to work [07:55] At least they can run around :( [07:55] ouch [07:56] 20% done [07:58] sports day fttptc [07:58] that's "for the 'taking part that counts'" [07:59] alternatively ftwld [07:59] for the win lose or draw [08:00] does anyone know the difference between Mint Xfce and Ubuntu ? [08:00] (if you take the LTS versions ? ) [08:00] knightwise: mint xfce doesn't use unity [08:00] diddledan: Sorry i mistyped [08:01] Mint XFCE and Xubuntu [08:01] mint guys include some "added extras" which aren't available in the ubuntu repos [08:01] ok , so its a "richer" 12.04 [08:02] I wouldn't say richer unless those added extras are things you want [08:02] I forget what they add in their repo [08:02] mint has a totally reworked package manager [08:02] ok , so no Ubuntu software center there [08:03] yeah [08:05] ok , === alan_g|life is now known as alan_g === ian is now known as Guest18936 === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:14] good morning everyone, [09:14] morning [09:15] morning MooDoo === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [10:06] Morning all [10:07] Goood Morning! [10:10] Good morning peeps :) [10:17] morning morning morning [10:45] Good morning [10:46] morning all. Am in a spot of trouble here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/298881/13-04-unity-graphics-suddenly-broken-for-no-reason [10:46] morning [10:47] I'm wondering if unity stores some info about the desktop, layout and graphics in my home folder? If so where is that located and am I safe to just delete all of that? [10:53] andrewebdev: you might have some luck in #ubuntu-desktop [10:53] as all the devs are in the channel [10:53] ah cool [10:57] When in doubt about desktop environment settings, I create a new user and log in as it. That was I get to see the defaults [11:06] was alan wake game any good? [11:06] windows only i know :( [11:10] alan wake i enjoyed [11:10] it's better than a lot of modern horror games [11:10] i felt the writing was far above average [11:11] they are doing a pay what u like [11:12] but who am i kidding, when would i get the time to play it? [11:12] or the inclination to install windows [11:17] i just bought myself a kick scooter for commuting [11:17] to make the journey between stations more interesting [11:17] windows is a lot less bad to install than it used to be, you only really need to get the network driver manually IME [11:18] well you also need disk space, time, windows, etc [11:18] oh, yeah. But given those [11:19] also, mine's a legitimate OEM one so no faffing with circumventing protections [11:28] there [11:28] Ubuntu studio isntalled on the little laptop [11:28] :) [11:28] Xfce is a tad faster then unity i must say [11:37] try elementary, fastest of the lot while still having bling === ian is now known as Guest81027 [11:44] question about giffgaff payback - if i have 500 points and can't reclaim via paypal because they want 1000 pts minimum, what happens? [11:44] do your points hang around till the next payback? [11:45] knightwise: it's also way more clunky [11:46] * mungbean remembers to change his goofdybag to the 7.50 one === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [11:54] BigRedS: it depends. [11:54] i use kupfer as my launcher and try to use keyboard commands as much as possible [11:54] its not that bad then [12:18] !Cozette [14084] Naked Empire - Terry Goodkind.epub [12:18] ew3r23r: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [12:18] my wife only just found out what happened yesterday in woolwich :-| [12:19] knightwise: I couldn't work out how to get dual monitors to do anything but mirror, and the alt-f2 box took about 12 seconds to appear so I went back to Unity [12:27] Anyone know of any python modules that scan for metadata ( info ) from all media files, basically want to create a library like xbmcs [12:28] Going to check their code later to see how they do it, but was wondering if there was a generic one or I'm going to have to do mp3tag one and then something else for movies [12:29] Seems like calling mplayer with the options i need is the way most people are doing it === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === JethroTroll is now known as GentileBen [13:56] Tum-te-tum-te-tum [13:56] Feels like Friday [13:59] diplo: I'd probably look at the python gstreamer libs? (look at gstfile.py in python-gst I believe) [13:59] bigcalm: Not quite [13:59] and anyway, I've got the week off, so don't make my holiday go any faster thank you [14:00] shauno: ta, hadn't come across that yet [14:00] * diplo looks [14:00] I've had such a long run of 4 day weeks, for various reasons, that 5 day weeks are getting really dedious [14:00] bigcalm: Sue went up town today instead of tomorrow so I really think it's friday, I was so looking forward to the weekend :( [14:00] that should give you a common method to get tags from anything gstreamer handles, that than worrying about per-codec like mp3tag [14:01] anyone know a nice ubuntu client [14:01] i tried hottot several times but it just doesnt seem to work [14:01] i boot it up but when I need to type in my account .. it just freezes [14:02] czajkowski: http://www.sadanduseless.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/w16.jpg <-- never say I don't think of you [14:03] drbalor: lol [14:03] knightwise: if you are on 13.04 you can try friends, still early development but much nicer than gwibber, or just use the webapp maybe? [14:05] yeah davmor2 but I would like to update twitter and facebook at the same time [14:05] friends app is still very early days [14:06] anyonen tried cronopete? [14:06] http://www.rastersoft.com/programas/cronopete.html [14:12] does that use fancy fs features, or just hardlinks? [14:12] dunno [14:13] it does a full tarball snapshot of your rootfs every 5 minutes, obviously! [14:17] https://github.com/rastersoft/cronopete/blob/master/doc/README.html < explanation there mungbean, BigRedS. [14:17] Looks like it does the hardlink thing like all the rsync backup things, but from the description I'm guessing it doesn't actually use rsync, and just comapres modified times [14:20] The main "clever" thing that Time Machine does is uses directory hardlinks, so it doesn't even have to keep a tree of links if that part of the fs hasn't changed. Which means it only works on HFS+. And then it breaks if you use a network backup location and you close the lid the wrong way while it's backing up, and trashes the whole of your backup history. [14:24] davmor2: gran's funeral tomorrow makes for a sort week and a crappy way to start a long weekend [14:24] bigcalm: indeed [14:26] davmor2: why do I want pie when talking to you? [14:27] wife tells me my son just had a 30 minute kick/screaming tantrum in tesco over a bread roll :S 5 strangers came up to him to try and calm him down [14:27] the joy of toddlers [14:27] I think humanity would be better off without children [14:28] Perhaps in the short to medium term [14:28] mungbean: :/ [14:29] bigcalm: might start to have an impact soonish though [14:32] Maybe this is how life would be without children as we know them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_City_and_the_Stars#Setting [14:32] I should re-ready my sifi collections [14:32] reread [14:32] bigcalm: because I am the piemaster of olde ye London Town all who call upon my name require pie as sustenance :D [14:33] did anyone read enders game and think it was lame? [14:33] bigcalm: that or you are thinking of the pie factory [14:33] everyone seems to rave about it [14:33] davmor2: mmmmm, pie factory [14:33] bigcalm: not the first option then [14:34] davmor2: I do not trust any London pie references for I have seen Sweeney Todd [14:38] mmmmm london pie [14:38] $TZAG, all. :) [14:40] bigcalm: see that's your problem you are trying to cram all of London into a pie of course there will be the odd person in the mix who didn't get out the way quick enough :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:55] gah my notes on how to boot this netflex were nowhere near enough === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g === andrewebdev_ is now known as andrewebdev [15:53] hmm - if I've got a debootstrap'd (but not working world) can I push another package into it? [15:54] penguin42: chroot into it, dpkg -i ? [15:54] or doesn't chroot work either? [15:54] MartijnVdS: You know how I said it wasn't working :-) [15:54] penguin42: it could be that /bin/sh at least worked [15:54] but not much else [15:55] penguin42: you could do it the hard way(r) and un-ar the deb, untar the data.tar.gz into the chroot, then run the package scripts (chrooted) from one of the other .tar.gzs [15:55] but .. I don't know exactly what kinds of failure modes that creates [15:55] you should be able to dpkg -i --root=/mnt/target yourpackage.deb [15:55] ooh, dpkg has a --root option [15:55] \o/ [15:56] that also runs pre/post in chroot though, so if your target is broken enough that they might fail, it's still thin ice [15:56] shauno: Nice! [15:57] shauno: I want to install the -dbg package for libc [16:01] this is an armhf root inside a an armel root on an android machine with an old kernel [16:02] right, nothing that --force-all doesn't fix :-) [16:04] saw someone struggling with a messed up EFI installation attempt from 13.04 last night [16:04] anyone know if 13.04's ubiquity can handle changing between an MBR and GPT setup on a disk during the partition stage? [16:04] i should really VM it and try ^_^ not even touched that version yet [16:05] daftykins: GPT vs PC-BIOS partition table does not matter for UEFI. [16:05] daftykins: in general it preserves existing partition table. [16:05] doesn't that depend on your uefi implementation? [16:05] MartijnVdS: no. [16:06] xnox: that's not what i asked [16:06] MartijnVdS: it depends on the bootloader, and grub will happily UEFI boot of any. [16:06] daftykins: you can wipe and create a new partition table, but it doesn't offer you to choose which one you want, nor will it convert one to another. [16:06] that's a bit weak [16:07] xnox: but what if UEFI can't find the boot partition because it doesn't know how to read that specific kind of partiton scheme? [16:08] most I've run across have both schemes, which is bad for your sanity, but works [16:08] MartijnVdS: UEFI is a specification - a text document =) firmware generally can bring up a disk drive. And there is only one UEFI partition allowed per drive, it doesn't even read partition scheme, just searches for the marker/label. [16:09] of the efi partition. [16:09] xnox: Does the UEFI spec specify which partition types it must be able to read boot-code from? :) [16:09] which is reduced FAT. [16:09] ah [16:09] scary [16:09] MartijnVdS: yes, EFI partition label, which is reduced-scope & limited FAT. [16:10] the UEFI spec mandates FAT for the EFI system partition, and includes the full specification of the filesystem (and requisite patent license) [16:10] a specification PC manufacturers have yet to get right [16:10] lowest commend denominator which _everyone_ knows how to read =) [16:10] xnox: and they did so well with iso9660 [16:10] xnox: and/or ufs [16:10] no not ufs.. the other one [16:11] UDF [16:11] pick a standard, any standard, we have hundreds to choose from ;) [16:11] few standards are standard :< [16:13] ooh, I have "new maps" now [16:14] latest Google Maps app? [16:14] website [16:14] ah [16:14] it's an obvious beta though [16:14] or it doesn't like my gpu [16:14] or both [16:15] or driver [16:15] Intel [16:16] or wind direction [16:17] waiting for Haswell now.. only a few more weeks [16:19] do you upgrade much? [16:19] has someone got a running arm system (modern kernel) that they can give me a /proc/self/maps from? [16:19] daftykins: Not as often as I used to [16:19] this is a pre-SandyBridge i3, so it's getting a bit oldish [16:20] haha [16:20] penguin42, how modern a kernel? [16:20] i'm still rocking LGA775 [16:20] penguin42, my efikamx is bound to an ancient freescale kernel [16:20] directhex: anything new enough to run armhf [16:20] daftykins: isn't that 1990s? THe old intel card? [16:20] :P [16:20] daftykins, pfft, and to think you used to be part of the pc enthusiast community :< [16:20] * penguin42 has an i7-860 [16:20] daftykins: oh wait that waws the "740" [16:21] penguin42: I have the i3-530 from that era [16:21] directhex: yip, guess i grew up :D [16:21] penguin42, http://paste.debian.net/6044/ [16:21] i7-920! [16:21] on socket 1366! [16:21] I'm saving up money for the 4770k or something similar [16:21] directhex: Hmm and that's running armhf? [16:21] * penguin42 was expecting a vector page at the top [16:22] penguin42, notice the triplet in /lib [16:22] penguin42, but, again, this is an ancient freescale kernel [16:22] penguin42, let me ssh to a debian porterbox [16:23] directhex: Hmm - my problem is I've got this nook, and it runs an armel chroot fine, but the debian armhf segs in ld-linux, I've already built a new kernel with the vector page in, but it's still not happy - so I'm assuming it's missing something useful from the kernel - just not figured out what yet [16:23] penguin42, okay, harris.d.o: http://paste.debian.net/6045/ [16:23] directhex: Thanks! [16:24] hmm, ok - so my theory of it being memory layout is bogus - that's the same as my new kernel [16:30] on the topic of upgrading, i'm too aware of how, even if i did have the latest hardware, it wouldn't actually feel any more worth it than what i run now [16:30] the only true change is that of your bank balance :D [16:30] yeh I used to upgrade when I could get something 5 times faster, these days that's just not doable [16:30] *nod* [16:31] i went from an Athlon XP to a quad-core Intel last, that felt nice [16:31] P90->533MHz Alpha->Dual 1.8GHz Athlon were my first 3 Linux machines [16:32] probably won't see that change again, just newer OS's that are chunkier so need faster hardware to make them feel as smooth as Windows 7 atop my intel quad [16:32] penguin42: nice :D [16:32] then core2, then this i7-860 [16:36] i'm putting a gaming PC together for a friend soon, that'll give me the ideal exposure to new hardware to see just how disappointed i'd be, assembling one for myself - only without spending the money! :D [16:37] actually i put together an i7 3770 for a client a while back too, so i've already done it [16:38] this pc is 4 years old now. all original parts [16:38] * penguin42 doesn't really game [16:38] except for the extra 6G RAM i bought from Azelphur [16:38] and the two GPU upgrades [16:38] and the SSD [16:38] other than that, totally original 4 year old pc! [16:40] so yeh other than most of the rest of the machine it's just the same.... [16:41] * penguin42 has only added an SSD in the 3 years since he had this [16:41] well, the motherboard and cpu are original [16:41] and the case and the power supply [16:41] I tend to max mine for ram as soon as I can. after that, upgrades get boring [16:41] and, um, the blu-ray drive [16:42] also it no longer runs vista home basic :D [16:42] * penguin42 rarely pushes the 8GB on this home machine [16:43] ahha - the TLS register is 0 [16:43] I hit that with VMs way too easily. a bit disappointed this one won't go past 16 [16:45] shauno: I tend not to have big VMs, I have two or three with playing with things or trying different versions out, but if I'm doing a big dev (like I had one which had a new KDE build in) I just let that take most of the RAM [16:47] I have an appliance that cries foul if it doesn't have 8GB at install-time (but can be reduced later), and a dependency that gets cranky in less than 2 [16:47] so half my laptop is eaten before I've even started doing anything :/ [16:47] ouch [16:47] * penguin42 does have a machine with 128GB at work, very nice for looking at large debug traces on [16:47] lol Vista home basic [16:47] bad directhex! [16:47] (for the past) [16:48] penguin42, i miss the 1T server at work [16:48] daftykins, i had a vista ultimate upgrade from work, but needed a base oem OS first for licensing raisins [16:48] ooh 1T, yes that would be fun [16:48] directhex: Was that a test machine or did it use 1T for something useful? [16:49] penguin42, itanium powered! [16:50] superdome? [16:50] penguin42, you'd be amazed what kind of new science is possible when you can load data sets that large into a single system image [16:50] or UV? [16:50] penguin42, predates UV. altix 4700 [16:50] ah ok, yeh [16:50] yeh we had a one or two brick altix for testing === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === alan_g is now known as alan_g|life [17:34] £57.75 for a new main oven thermostat for my smeg oven :( [17:34] smegging hell :| [17:34] daftykins: How old is it? [17:34] er dunno, i got it with the place i bought [17:35] looks like it got converted for Guernsey's gas supply back in 2005 [17:35] so probably that old [17:38] i called someone around to repair it, he was going to order me the part but i've heard nothing in over a month! [17:38] which is great because it's an easy job so i'll just do it myself [17:44] are you allowed to or does it fall under the type of things you can be hung for tampering with a gas appliance? [17:45] * penguin42 wonders if Guernsey's gas is thicker and creamier [17:45] thinner and rubbisher :( [17:45] LPG [17:45] yeuch [17:45] ah well it's an electric oven part so yeah should be fine [17:45] hrmm ebay is half that price [17:46] but do i trust them? [17:47] what could possibly go wrong? [17:47] indeed [17:47] £34.99 on ebay [17:48] think i'd rather spend more and get it from a reputable firm [17:48] espares.co.uk seems legit [17:48] but twice the price is harsh :( [17:52] mornin [17:52] so.. when you boot into windows for the first time in however long, don't trust the clock to tell you when it's time to go home [17:53] haha [17:53] I was all set to stay till 7pm thinking it'ld be 6pm [17:54] :> [17:55] diddledan: You last booted before the summertime change? [17:55] that element of multi-boot was often a pain [17:55] side note however is that ubuntu runs quite nicely under hyper-v [17:55] i find hyper-v nasty, the whole domain + SQL server requirement [17:56] penguin42: nah, it's the issue with windows using localtime from the rtc while ubuntu uses gmt in the rtc [17:57] so once ubuntu sets the RTC to gmt (localtime - 1 hour) then windows reads localtime back from the RTC without correcting [17:57] diddledan: You can configure which it will use can't you? [17:57] yeah, but I haven't [17:58] I'd completely forgotten about the issue until 5/6pm today and I wondered why I was the last person in the office [17:59] daftykins: no domains or sql server here [18:00] on the host box running hyper-v? [18:00] yup [18:00] used to be their requirement i thought, perhaps they've lifted it [18:00] or maybe that's just to use SCVMM [18:01] yeah system center probably requires both of those [18:02] the hyper-v itself works fine on it's own - they've even packaged a free version of windows server to just run hyper-v similar to the freebie offerings of citrix and vmware [18:07] ah yeah, it's a bit useless if you have to control the host via RDP to run VMs though [18:20] ah great, websites that don't have the Channel Islands listed on their payment pages [18:21] and also charge VAT :( [18:21] hey everyone [18:23] heh, I only found that out very recently. had a customer who complained about being charged VAT, which left us with a blank face [18:24] o_O [18:24] actually, there's a question for you. do you usually get charged VAT for delivery? [18:24] channel islands don't pay vat? [18:25] I knew amazon et al got around vat by putting their distribution centre on the islands [18:26] that only worked until LVCR, low value consignment relief got canned [18:26] I didn't know that residents didn't pay vat either [18:26] we have our own government [18:26] so yeah, our own laws [18:26] which island is the one with feudal government? :-p [18:27] Sark [18:27] should be going there this bank holiday Monday for a birthday event actually :O [18:27] \o/ [18:28] ^_^ [18:28] not been over in a while [18:28] though allegedly it might rain Monday :< [18:29] looks like I might have won a freelance web dev contract \o/ [18:29] I rock [18:29] :O nice [18:29] rain doesn't rock [18:29] i hope you're nice and moral with your fees [18:29] a client of mine recently got fleeced for a custom skin on wordpress deal, to the tune of 3 grand >_< [18:29] yes, I bid higher than everyone else [18:29] :-p [18:29] and offered hosting for it... get this... [18:30] for £1200/yr [18:30] ¬_¬ [18:30] ouchies [18:30] that's an expensive hosting [18:30] i was able to at least pinch the hosting part :D [18:30] 1) buy VPS 2) host site 3) charge 10% of the above [18:30] fair enough I pay in the tune of about 300£ per mo on servery stuff but 1200 for a single site is crazy [18:31] you got that many up though? [18:31] nope, all personal stuff [18:31] this is my first client for the hosting part :D [18:31] got myself one of bytemark's bigv VPSs [18:32] I've been waiting for someone in #ubuntu-mirror to pull their wotsit out and review my mirror request - uk.ubuntu.bowlhat.net [18:32] :D [18:32] i'd like it if the Guernsey mirror weren't just a fake, at least i think it is a fake [18:32] gg.archive.ubuntu.com iirc [18:33]