| len-k | zequence: I see why most discusions end up here. | 00:20 |
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| zequence | len-k: What do you mean? | 00:31 |
| len-k | I was refering to the mail list. | 00:32 |
| len-k | aside from that... | 00:32 |
| len-k | zequence: what is your feeling on HURD? | 00:33 |
| len-k | Does it look better for audio? | 00:33 |
| zequence | Oh, no idea :) | 00:34 |
| zequence | From what I've read, it's more advanced the Linux, which is why it's taking so long to develop, among other things | 00:34 |
| zequence | Linux these days of course has an army of developers, while Hurd has only a few | 00:34 |
| zequence | It was supposed to be the GNU kernel, but then came along Linux | 00:35 |
| len-k | Ya, | 00:35 |
| zequence | I guess they've been developing it now for more than 20 years | 00:35 |
| zequence | I just think it's nice that it's getting usable | 00:35 |
| zequence | It said something about 70% of applications had been ported now | 00:35 |
| zequence | for Debian | 00:35 |
| zequence | But, I don't know about drivers | 00:35 |
| zequence | I think I read about them using Linux drivers, but not sure | 00:36 |
| len-k | It seems that a "microkernel" on it's own core might do good for low latency work. | 00:36 |
| zequence | It'll be interesting to try it out. Haven't taken the opportunity to do that yet | 00:37 |
| zequence | len-k: I think it's good if we do more discussion on the mail list. That would allow for readers who don't come here to become aware of what we are doing | 00:41 |
| zequence | I'm always thinking I will do this, but I rarely do | 00:41 |
| len-k | Ok, I will think some more. We are off to eat now. Talk later | 00:42 |
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| zequence | Ahh, I should really choose my words more carefully sometimes. | 16:55 |
| zequence | DarkEra: New updates for Gnome, and else. Will see if they make a difference | 16:59 |
| zequence | nope, doesn't seem like it works | 17:03 |
| zequence | As soon as you do something in gnome-shell, like click on activities or click on the calendar, it just freezes | 17:04 |
| DarkEra | zequence, ok, thanks for the update. Too bad it still doesn't work yet | 17:05 |
| DarkEra | zequence, well, i gave it a try on my netbook for fun. I even can't get logged in, keyboard and mouse cursor do nothing at all just like in VB | 21:02 |
| DarkEra | it was worth a try | 21:02 |
| zequence | DarkEra: Yeah. I was hoping someone could shine a light on the problem | 21:18 |
| zequence | I haven't looked for a bug report yet | 21:18 |
| DarkEra | didn't have the time either to look after one but was thinking about it though. | 21:20 |
| len-k | zequence: I think that adding new DEs is a good excercise. I think we should try as much as possible to make each DE "shine" as a creation environment in it's uniquness. Not just add DEs to say you can use any DE. | 23:17 |
| len-k | As I said in my email, it may be that a DE will express one kind of work flow better than other DEs and we may find people who use different workflows use different DEs for that reason. | 23:19 |
| zequence | I'm sure we learn something by doing it anyway. Also, having a agnostic relationship with the DEs should make more users comfortable | 23:20 |
| len-k | It may also help us find and solve more bugs | 23:21 |
| zequence | sure | 23:22 |
| zequence | I was thinking it might be a good idea to put out some example tasks for people on the mail list later | 23:24 |
| zequence | Like, going through all the application in a list, and look for bugs, or let us know if they already know of some | 23:25 |
| zequence | Make sure people report them, if they haven't been reported | 23:25 |
| zequence | Finally, see if upstream already has fixes | 23:25 |
| zequence | if not, report them there as well | 23:25 |
| len-k | I think for testing we need to be able to install all DE metas on one machine/partition and login to different DE sessions. | 23:27 |
| zequence | It's better not to have more than one DE installed at the time though | 23:27 |
| zequence | Otherwise, you might not see errors in package selection and stuff like that | 23:28 |
| zequence | One good method is installing ubuntu-minimal on a virtual machine. Take a shapshot. Then add a PPA with the metas, and install one at the time | 23:28 |
| len-k | I would not like to do five installs to test one image... but I can't not agree :P | 23:28 |
| len-k | Also, the settings for unity, gnomeshell and cinnamon might collide. | 23:29 |
| zequence | Yea | 23:29 |
| len-k | Same with xfce/lxde | 23:30 |
| len-k | At the very most it would have to be tested as a user per DE. | 23:30 |
| len-k | s/most/least ? | 23:31 |
| zequence | the pulseaudio fix just got uploaded | 23:33 |
| zequence | len-k: You want to know a cool command? rmadison <package> | 23:33 |
| zequence | It checks for all the supported versions of the package in all existing Ubuntu releases, and all the pockets too | 23:34 |
| len-k | in devscripts. | 23:38 |
| * len-k needs a script to add all of these things every time he does an install | 23:41 | |
| zequence | Ah, yeah | 23:41 |
| zequence | I've been meaning to add that to our dev docs | 23:42 |
| zequence | Ubuntu has the package ubuntu-dev-tools | 23:42 |
| zequence | That's a good start, I suppose | 23:42 |
| zequence | There's really a lot that is useful, in some situations, so the list can easily be grown | 23:42 |
| zequence | PA was uploaded, but yet not built I think | 23:44 |
| zequence | I'll have a go at testing it tomorrow | 23:44 |
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