[00:20] zequence: I see why most discusions end up here. [00:31] len-k: What do you mean? [00:32] I was refering to the mail list. [00:32] aside from that... [00:33] zequence: what is your feeling on HURD? [00:33] Does it look better for audio? [00:34] Oh, no idea :) [00:34] From what I've read, it's more advanced the Linux, which is why it's taking so long to develop, among other things [00:34] Linux these days of course has an army of developers, while Hurd has only a few [00:35] It was supposed to be the GNU kernel, but then came along Linux [00:35] Ya, [00:35] I guess they've been developing it now for more than 20 years [00:35] I just think it's nice that it's getting usable [00:35] It said something about 70% of applications had been ported now [00:35] for Debian [00:35] But, I don't know about drivers [00:36] I think I read about them using Linux drivers, but not sure [00:36] It seems that a "microkernel" on it's own core might do good for low latency work. [00:37] It'll be interesting to try it out. Haven't taken the opportunity to do that yet [00:41] len-k: I think it's good if we do more discussion on the mail list. That would allow for readers who don't come here to become aware of what we are doing [00:41] I'm always thinking I will do this, but I rarely do [00:42] Ok, I will think some more. We are off to eat now. Talk later === TheMaster is now known as Hypnotoad [16:55] Ahh, I should really choose my words more carefully sometimes. [16:59] DarkEra: New updates for Gnome, and else. Will see if they make a difference [17:03] nope, doesn't seem like it works [17:04] As soon as you do something in gnome-shell, like click on activities or click on the calendar, it just freezes [17:05] zequence, ok, thanks for the update. Too bad it still doesn't work yet [21:02] zequence, well, i gave it a try on my netbook for fun. I even can't get logged in, keyboard and mouse cursor do nothing at all just like in VB [21:02] it was worth a try [21:18] DarkEra: Yeah. I was hoping someone could shine a light on the problem [21:18] I haven't looked for a bug report yet [21:20] didn't have the time either to look after one but was thinking about it though. [23:17] zequence: I think that adding new DEs is a good excercise. I think we should try as much as possible to make each DE "shine" as a creation environment in it's uniquness. Not just add DEs to say you can use any DE. [23:19] As I said in my email, it may be that a DE will express one kind of work flow better than other DEs and we may find people who use different workflows use different DEs for that reason. [23:20] I'm sure we learn something by doing it anyway. Also, having a agnostic relationship with the DEs should make more users comfortable [23:21] It may also help us find and solve more bugs [23:22] sure [23:24] I was thinking it might be a good idea to put out some example tasks for people on the mail list later [23:25] Like, going through all the application in a list, and look for bugs, or let us know if they already know of some [23:25] Make sure people report them, if they haven't been reported [23:25] Finally, see if upstream already has fixes [23:25] if not, report them there as well [23:27] I think for testing we need to be able to install all DE metas on one machine/partition and login to different DE sessions. [23:27] It's better not to have more than one DE installed at the time though [23:28] Otherwise, you might not see errors in package selection and stuff like that [23:28] One good method is installing ubuntu-minimal on a virtual machine. Take a shapshot. Then add a PPA with the metas, and install one at the time [23:28] I would not like to do five installs to test one image... but I can't not agree :P [23:29] Also, the settings for unity, gnomeshell and cinnamon might collide. [23:29] Yea [23:30] Same with xfce/lxde [23:30] At the very most it would have to be tested as a user per DE. [23:31] s/most/least ? [23:33] the pulseaudio fix just got uploaded [23:33] len-k: You want to know a cool command? rmadison [23:34] It checks for all the supported versions of the package in all existing Ubuntu releases, and all the pockets too [23:38] in devscripts. [23:41] * len-k needs a script to add all of these things every time he does an install [23:41] Ah, yeah [23:42] I've been meaning to add that to our dev docs [23:42] Ubuntu has the package ubuntu-dev-tools [23:42] That's a good start, I suppose [23:42] There's really a lot that is useful, in some situations, so the list can easily be grown [23:44] PA was uploaded, but yet not built I think [23:44] I'll have a go at testing it tomorrow