[00:22] <i3luefire> hi
[00:22] <i3luefire> can anyone help me with this grub intall issue
[01:05] <Guest34651> So when I install Xubuntu on USB 2 from USB 1, I should only need usb 2 right?
[01:06] <holstein> Guest34651: your install is not booting?
[01:06] <holstein> !grub
[01:06] <holstein> i would just restore it, and put it where you want it again, manually
[01:07] <Guest34651> yeah it doesn't boot. I'm reinstalling again. I do remember when it rebooted it was just a command prompt with grub..
[01:09] <Guest34651> Would it make sense that openssh-server couldn't be installed correctly on the live session?
[01:09] <holstein> Guest34651: i would reinstall grub.. not the os
[01:09] <holstein> Guest34651: if you have internet access, i would try "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install openssh-server"
[01:11] <Guest34651> I think that
[01:12] <Guest34651> that's probably the trick. I didn't do sudo apt-get update...
[01:16] <Guest34651> I'm 99% sure that's the issue. I was getting an error along the lines of dependency issue. 2ubuntu xx:xxx is what was on the machine and openssh-server had a dependency of 3ubuntu xx:xxx? Sound familiar?
[01:17] <holstein> Guest34651: well, i dont know specifics, but i have had that issue before when installing things into a live environment.. which can be a challenge.. though, an ssh server should be plausible
[01:18] <Guest34651> Does "sudo apt-get update" update apt-get?
[01:18] <holstein> Guest34651: "apt-get update" updates the package list you have
[01:20] <Guest34651> Makes sense.
[01:35] <Suave> Holstein you still there?
[02:19] <xubuntu081> can someone please help me?
[02:20] <xubuntu081> My graphics card isnt showing up to xbuntu
[02:20] <Unit193> How so?  Do you have a black screen on boot?
[02:21] <xubuntu081> well im connected to my onboard video right now..
[02:21] <xubuntu081> here's the card I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127667
[02:22] <xubuntu081> Im new to linux and not sure how to find drivers
[02:22] <xubuntu081> and my screen looks stretched too :/
[02:23] <Unit193> Open the Settings Manager and go to Software Sources, you'll see additional drivers in there.
[02:23] <xubuntu081> not having a good first try with linux and getting frustrated
[02:24] <Unit193> (Could also run software-properties-gtk --open-tab 4  should take you directly to the screen.)
[02:25] <xubuntu081> in software sources, under the additional drivers tab its empty
[02:30] <Gustavo__> Hi all! I am installing xubuntu in a new MSI A1500 notebook and network and bluetooth lights don't work. Someone know what is happening?
[02:31] <Gustavo__> I am now with live cd
[03:53] <xubuntu943> K, so I have an .iso image on USB flash drive. . . now what do I use to install the operating system (from XP), new OS, NO partition.???
[03:57] <xubuntu474> yeah, I have the .iso image on USB drive. . .what makes that install?
[03:57] <Suave> Do you have a bootable usb drive or did you just drag and drop the iso on the usb?
[03:59] <xubuntu474> drag and drop, my "bootable copy" is also still on the drive, but asks me for a username and pasword (which no-one remembers assigning)
[04:00] <Suave> Download UNetbootin http://sourceforge.net/projects/unetbootin/files/UNetbootin/583/unetbootin-windows-583.exe/download?use_mirror=surfnet
[04:00] <Suave> install it and then make a bootable usb with the iso file
[04:01] <xubuntu474> OK, I'll have to put that on the USB as well, because the machine to be installed on is not connected to the internet.
[04:01] <Suave> Ah you should probably get it connected to the internet to allow updates for Xubuntu to install
[04:01] <xubuntu474> dont have the internet password
[04:02] <Suave> Ah. Sounds like you have bigger issues.
[04:05] <xubuntu474> well, it is automatically selecting for a mac software b/c that is what I am on . . .. i sthere an address for a XP unetbootin?
[04:15] <xubuntu474> I downloaded the unetbootin-windows 583, I don't see how that can be useful when that machine isn't connected to the internet. .. give me a workaround. . I have a USB drive and a working connection on a Macit's not
[04:16] <xubuntu474> ubuntu can't install updates until it is initially installed. . .can't initially install until i get past the .iso file. . . can't get past the /
[04:16] <xubuntu474> .iso file until I have unetbootin for windows XP?
[04:21] <xubuntu474> What do I need?  Thanks for your help.
[04:42] <Unit193> !usb | xubuntu474
[04:42] <Unit193> Just use Lili.
[04:57] <xubuntu743> it is asking me for keeping the partition on /dev/sba. . . what the heck is that want it?and do I
[04:57] <xubuntu743> sorry, /dev/sda/
[05:02] <xubuntu306> I agree with terms of service
[08:51] <Sysi> nice calm green-patched greybird setup ready.. so next I could try moebuntu
[11:51] <onr> no idea how could they make such simple program "ubuntu software center" horribly slow
[11:55] <TheSheep> onr: they accept patches
[11:56] <TheSheep> if you think you can do better
[11:57] <onr> yeah i can create something better, not through patching though
[11:58] <TheSheep> onr: "pathces
[11:58] <TheSheep> onr: "patches" as in suggestions on what to change
[11:58] <TheSheep> onr: pull requests, if you will
[12:03] <onr> TheSheep: is there a public API for software center's package reviews?
[12:03] <TheSheep> onr: launchpad.net
[12:05] <TheSheep> onr: oh, reviews. I have no idea, sorry
[13:59] <DIMEAVE> hola
[13:59] <DIMEAVE> hi
[13:59] <DIMEAVE> hello
[13:59] <xubuntu096> ciao
[14:00] <xubuntu096> c'è qualche italiano a cui posso rivolgere una domanda su xubuntu?
[14:00] <DIMEAVE> Xfce > Gnome 3 && Unity
[14:00] <koegs> !it > xubuntu096
[14:40] <kxzu> Hi here. I'm using kx-studio for proffesionnal MAO use. Based on ubuntu 12.04, I'll like to use xfce4.10 instead of .8. How can I do? is there any back port repo?
[14:46] <koegs> kxzu: kxstudio is not supported in here, but you can search for a 4.10 ppa
[14:48] <ObrienDave> you can D/L the XFCE desktop through the normal Ubuntu repository
[14:48] <ObrienDave> I run Xubuntu
[14:49] <koegs> ObrienDave: on a xubuntu 12.04 you wont get xfce 4.10 without a ppa
[14:49] <Sysi> you need a PPA but there's very good one https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[14:49] <kxzu> ok found it: ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.10
[14:49] <ObrienDave> ok, i'm on 13.04
[14:50] <kxzu> thanks all! ;D
[14:50] <Sysi> though it's not officially supported because it's a PPA
[14:50] <ObrienDave> yes, this is true. you're on your own there ;)
[14:51] <ObrienDave> kxzu: why not just install Xubuntu 13.04 and save the hassle?
[14:52] <kxzu> ObrienDave, re-read my first message.
[14:52] <kxzu> cu all!
[14:52] <ObrienDave> ok, bye
[14:53] <Sysi> hmm, I could update my xfce too
[14:54] <ObrienDave> yea, you got me looking as well
[14:55] <ObrienDave> oh, crap. it's a LTS release. no wonder
[14:55] <Sysi> I'm on LTS too
[14:55] <ObrienDave> *slaps head*
[14:55] <ObrienDave> what was i thinking
[14:58] <ObrienDave> oh boy mySQL and mariaDB updates. yippie
[14:58] <ObrienDave> now, if i could just get mySQL workbench to update. grrr
[15:07] <GridCube> P: you need to download the deb and thats that
[15:08] <GridCube> im using 5.4.27
[15:20] <Quix86> Is there a way to give programs a 'default transparency' with xfce/xfwm? For example, xterm is 60% by default
[15:20] <Sysi> wmctrl or devilspie maybe can do that
[16:00] <alexsanderpunx> jajajajaj
[16:00] <Belial> i always picture spanish people actually laughing like that out loud ^
[16:00] <Belial> and, in turn, makes me laugh.
[16:00] <holstein> !ot
[16:01] <alexsanderpunx> oh ok
[16:01] <Belial> holstein, you were dying to do that.
[16:01] <Belial> you'll make a great op one day.
[16:03] <holstein> Belial: feel free and join me in the #xubuntu-offtopic channel to discuss
[16:06] <sketch_> can anyone tell me how to remove the panel so that i can use just cairo dock?
[16:06] <Sysi> panel preferences allow you to remove panels
[16:07] <sketch_> yes i know that but it wont let me remove the last panel
[16:08] <holstein> sketch_: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/38048/how-to-remove-all-the-panels-in-xfce is relevant
[16:09] <sketch_> ill check it out thx
[16:09] <Sysi> then go settings -> session and startup -> SEssion
[16:09] <Sysi> quit xfce4-panel from there and save session on logout
[16:09] <Sysi> or right away
[16:12] <tyrog> Hi everyone. Which one is the best to install right now? Xubuntu 12.04 or 13.04? To use xfce 4.10
[16:13] <tyrog> What are the strong points of Xfce against Unity, Gnome Shell and KDE? thanks
[16:13] <tyrog> and the weak points by the way xD
[16:13] <holstein> !better | tyrog
[16:13] <Sysi> if you're ready to update to 13.10, then 13.04, but if you'd like to wait until 14.04 or 15.04 then 12.04
[16:14] <holstein> tyrog: this is the xubuntu channel.. so we will say xfce is what you want.. try them all live
[16:14] <holstein> tyrog: no reason not to use 13.04..
[16:14] <Sysi> xfce is quite configurable, light/responsive yet simple and very stable
[16:15] <tyrog> holstein: What can you do with the DEs I told that you can't on Xfce? That's mostly the point I meant with the previous question :)
[16:15] <Sysi> they're really hard to list since everyone likes different things
[16:16] <tyrog> Sysi: My PC is good enough to handle all DEs. I like to customize the system, that's one of the things I love in Linux. What advantages do you see on Xfce vs KDE, which is what I was using right now?
[16:16] <Sysi> I suggest testing with live-usb or virtual machines
[16:17] <Sysi> tyrog: lighter, less hassle with gtk apps, but personally I'd use KDE if I could get my soundcard to work with it
[16:17] <Sysi> some people think KDE is too complicated having so many options
[16:20] <tyrog> Sysi: Aren't programs like Thunar or Xfce Terminal too "simple"? Compared to others like Dolphin or even Nautilus
[16:20] <TheSheep> tyrog: depends what you use them for
[16:21] <Sysi> they have all features I need and faster to set up and test new things
[16:21] <tyrog> Sysi: I heard Thunar is quite buggy and could crash often
[16:21] <Sysi> of course you can select what file manager to use
[16:21] <tyrog> So some people recommended the one from LXDE instead
[16:21] <Sysi> never xrashed for me
[16:21] <TheSheep> tyrog: that's no longer the case
[16:21] <TheSheep> tyrog: maybe 3 or 4 years ago that was true
[16:21] <wolf29> Upgrade from 12.10 ubuntu studio to 13.04. XFCE is a little broken, on the bright side, k-desktop is entirely broken. On XFCE, mouse is invisible over settings manager dialog, skype dialog and a few others.  is still visible over firefox and openoffice.
[16:22] <Sysi> with thunar people mostly miss having tabs and split view
[16:22] <tyrog> TheSheep: I think I will go with Xfce then. I like KDE, but like Sysi said, it has too many things I don't care about
[16:22] <TheSheep> wolf29: go to settings and set your mouse cursor
[16:22] <TheSheep> Sysi: except thunar has tabs
[16:22] <TheSheep> Sysi: since about a year
[16:23] <TheSheep> that that they are useful for anything
[16:23] <Sysi> I thought they weren't in stable release yet,, sorry for being oldie
[16:24] <TheSheep> Sysi: just press ctrl+t
[16:24] <tyrog> TheSheep: Would you recommend Xfce over KDE too? xD
[16:25] <Sysi> I'm on 12.04, too old thunar
[16:25] <TheSheep> tyrog: personally I prefer xfce, but it's all mostly about what you are used to
[16:25] <tyrog> Sysi: I found there is a PPA :)
[16:26] <TheSheep> tyrog: if you are going to use a ppa, you might as well just install a newer release
[16:28] <tyrog> TheSheep: I would definitely use Xfce 4.10 and Thunar 1.6 xD
[16:28] <wolf29> TheSheep: I am not sure what to do with it.  I changed the theme from default and that worked, but cursor is still invisible over skype window.
[16:28] <TheSheep> wolf29: I suppose it will use the new theme when you next start it
[16:30] <wolf29> TheSheep: It is using the theme everywhere but over the skype window.  Maybe I need to relogin
[16:31] <tyrog> TheSheep: You would recommend 13.04 for that too?
[16:33] <Belial> what's the shortcut to show the menu in thunar?
[16:33] <TheSheep> tyrog: I think, and that is my personal opinion, that you are going to get better stability by using a complete release that has been tested with those versions, than by using an older (and perhpas more stable) release with those versions added from a ppa
[16:34] <tyrog> TheSheep: are the upgrades between releases reliable?
[16:34] <TheSheep> Belial: ctrl+m
[16:34] <TheSheep> tyrog: as long as you don't have too much custom stuff
[16:34] <Belial> TheSheep, thanks
[16:35] <TheSheep> tyrog: for example, a custom gtk theme may break in newer version
[16:35] <Belial> thunar doesn't do split view, does it?
[16:35] <TheSheep> Belial: nope
[16:35] <TheSheep> Belial: but you can open two windows
[16:35] <Belial> yeah
[16:35] <tyrog> Belial: or tabs
[16:36] <tyrog> TheSheep: Is there something like aero "Snap" feature for Xfce? Two windows side by side in the same workspace of course
[16:36] <Belial> yeah, i was using tabs, but i can't drag and drop files on them
[16:37] <koegs> tyrog: you have tiling from xfce 4.10 on
[16:38] <tyrog> koegs: What's exactly tiling? sorry xD
[16:38] <koegs> tyrog: that is what you just asked for
[16:38] <gatsu1000> hi all
[16:38] <koegs> like "aero snap"
[16:38] <gatsu1000> still in need of some help here...
[16:38] <gatsu1000> this damned cdrom won't came up in any manner
[16:39] <gatsu1000> hi Sheep
[16:39] <Belial> tyrog, drag a window to the top of the screen
[16:39] <Belial> and then the bottom
[16:40] <gatsu1000> someone here that can help?
[16:40] <tyrog> Belial: That's not the same thing. Top and bottom windows don't give a good perspective of their contents
[16:41] <koegs> tyrog: you can do the same with left/right... in xfce it is called tiling
[16:42] <koegs> you either just drag the window to the top/bottom/left/right to "snap" and/or you can define hotkeys for that just like in windows
[16:42] <tyrog> koegs: But when I try to put one window on the side it goes to the workspace 2 or whatever it is called
[16:42] <gatsu1000> hi koegs... can i ask you a little help?
[16:43] <koegs> tyrog: which ubuntu-version do you use?
[16:43] <tyrog> koegs: 12.04, but I think I am going to reinstall with 13.04
[16:43] <koegs> tyrog: with 12.04 that feature is not available unless you install the xfce 4.10 ppa
[16:43] <koegs> you have to use 12.10 or 13.04
[16:44] <Belial> i'm using 13.04 and going to the left and right put the windows in another workspace
[16:44] <tyrog> koegs: Yes, that's what I thought of. Use the PPA on 12.04, or clean install of 13.04. I was thinking of the latter xD
[16:44] <koegs> gatsu1000: i am not sure i can help you with the cdrom
[16:44] <gatsu1000> oh, ok...
[16:44] <gatsu1000> this damned thing won't work in any manner and i can't understand why
[16:45] <gatsu1000> there is something like "found new hardware" in there?
[16:45] <koegs> Belial: i am trying to remember the setting for that :)
[16:46] <tyrog> koegs: Does Xfce handle steam well?
[16:46] <koegs> no problem using steam (either native ubuntu or with wine)
[16:47] <koegs> Belial: i think it was somewhere in the window manager settings or window manager tweaks
[16:47] <Belial> koegs, yeah, i'm checking right now.
[16:48] <koegs> Belial: Windows Manager -> Advanced -> Uncheck "Wrap Workspaces when dragging..."
[16:49] <tyrog> koegs: Is there some way to enable VSync for the Xfce window manager? KDE has an option for it on KWin :)
[16:49] <Belial> beautiful.
[16:49] <Belial> that works good.
[16:50] <koegs> tyrog: vsync is a topic on its own... never tested it: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/xfce-sync-to-vblank-support-for-xfwm.html
[16:51] <gatsu1000> in your opinion, why the cdrom isn't visible on devices?
[16:52] <tyrog> koegs: Good, right what I was looking for
[16:54] <gatsu1000> what if wodim gives me cannot open scsi driver ?
[16:55] <tyrog> koegs: What is the best GTK based music player? I was getting used to Amarok and Clementine as an alternative too xD
[16:57] <tyrog> koegs: I think Qt apps look bad in GTK DEs :P
[16:59] <mneptok> gatsu1000: try gmusicbrowser
[17:00] <mneptok> bah.
[17:00] <mneptok> tyrog: ^^^
[17:00] <tyrog> lol
[17:00] <tyrog> ok
[17:00] <tyrog> mneptok: Does that support lyrics?
[17:07] <xubuntu199> Hello, for some days i am having the problem that when i try to maximize a window, or switch vlc into fullscreen mode, there are gaps at the sides where the desktop background is visible (around 100px wide each). Any advice of how to get rid of this?
[17:08] <xubuntu199> Interestingly enough, F11 in a browser does cover the whole screen as expected.
[17:08] <tyrog> xubuntu199: Maybe its your video
[17:10] <gatsu1000> ok, no way
[17:11] <gatsu1000> there isn't a way to install this damned cdrom on this system
[17:12] <genii-around> Could be monitor is 16:10 and video is 16:9
[17:13] <gatsu1000> there isn't really no one that can help?
[17:18] <gatsu1000> it seems not
[17:21] <NetCatty> hi
[17:21] <gatsu1000> hi catty
[17:23] <gatsu1000> can you give me some help?^^
[17:24] <NetCatty> gatsu1000: what's the matter?
[17:24] <gatsu1000> i'm becoming mad with the cdrom reader
[17:24] <gatsu1000> it doesn't appear in any manner
[17:24] <gatsu1000> tried quite everything i could as a very newbie of ubuntu
[17:25] <NetCatty> gatsu1000: type 'mount' into your terminal past it here: http://pastebin.com/
[17:27] <gatsu1000> http://pastebin.com/Lx7inBcZ
[17:27] <gatsu1000> here you go^^
[17:28] <gatsu1000> does it makes any sense?
[17:29] <NetCatty> gatsu1000: now 'uname -a && cat /etc/*release'
[17:30] <gatsu1000> http://pastebin.com/BAAfGwP1
[17:31] <NetCatty> gatsu1000: open gnome-disks; does it show up?
[17:32] <gatsu1000> nope, only the 2 hdd
[17:33] <NetCatty> gatsu1000: is it properly connected and your bios settings right?
[17:34] <gatsu1000> yep
[17:34] <gatsu1000> i can boot a cd, for example
[17:34] <NetCatty> gatsu1000: what kind of cdrom driver do u have?
[18:16] <livingdaylight> hallo
[18:18] <livingdaylight> I'm looking to install oracle java. Do i need to remove open-jdk?
[18:28] <genii-around> livingdaylight: Not really. You can have multiple java versions, it's just a matter of which one gets chosen tpo be default with update-alternatives
[18:30] <genii-around> livingdaylight: If you don't want to manually install the oracle version, there is https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java
[18:30] <livingdaylight> genii-around, thank you i just installed the ppa from web8
[18:31] <livingdaylight> but, I saw no instructions on his site for dealing with open-jdk hence i ask
[18:31] <genii-around> livingdaylight: You need to run the oracle-java7-set-default    ( or 8 for version 8 )  for the update-alternatives to make oracle the default
[18:32] <NetCatty> livingdaylight: there isn't much of a difference between open-jdk and oracle java, why do u want to use it?
[18:32] <livingdaylight> genii-around, how?
[18:32] <Arthur_D> hi all, I am having trouble with dual-monitoring to my TV via VGA: I only get 640x480 and 320x240 as options even though it is a Full HD TV. The manual suggests 1280x768 for the VGA input, but as said I don't get that option either
[18:33] <livingdaylight> NetCatty, habit I guess.... it came with some java plugins missing for the browser and webstart for .jnlp files... If it worked out of the box I wouldn't bother, but, since I do, I just reach for oracle as that 's proven better in the past
[18:34] <NetCatty> livingdaylight: install oracle java and then: sudo update-java-alternatives -l && sudo update-java-alternative -s $jdk
[18:34] <livingdaylight> thank you
[18:34] <NetCatty> np
[18:35] <livingdaylight> that will make oracle the default, yes?
[18:35] <NetCatty> yep
[18:42] <sketch_> ok all is working well and i finally got cairo dock as my only thing but now i need to know how to set my new printer up any ideas?
[18:47] <sketch_> n/m i got it
[18:52] <genii-around> livingdaylight: Apologies on lag, work required me... just install the package oracle-java7-set-default   or oracle-java8-set-default   ( depending what version you previously just installed)
[18:52] <livingdaylight> genii-around, thanks i think its done now.
[18:53] <genii-around> livingdaylight: And then you can check after with java -version     ...to make sure it took
[18:53] <livingdaylight> ty
[19:03] <NetCatty> re
[19:05] <toast> so i got a directv home cinema box that is conected to my home network and im running NFS on my host machine. how can i access the files on my host from the directv box?
[19:07] <genii-around> I would think that's more of a question for the people at DirecTV
[19:10] <th0r> unless the directtv box is running xubuntu
[19:10] <toast> ok thanks if they have no answers i will b back
[19:14] <K1rk> Hey, I'm trying to remove Suspend & Hibernate options from Indicator-Session... I am not finding any tutorials which work.  Here is my thread on the Ubuntu Forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147996  Any suggestions?
[19:16] <seronis> K1rk: there is a tutorial on ENABLING hibernate since its disabled by default in xubuntu.  maybe you can use that to figure it out
[19:16] <seronis> i dont have the link off hand but i googled and found it when i switched to xubuntu
[19:16] <K1rk> seronis, I disagree that it's enabled by default.  My install is a clean install and it was enabled out of the box...
[19:17] <elfy> seronis: it's not about enabling or disabling but actually removing the options
[19:17] <seronis> well its disabled by default in 13.04.  i only installed 3 weeks ago
[19:17] <K1rk> seronis, ah, we're doing LTS here so I am on 12.04
[19:18] <seronis> but the tutorial shows the locations to edit.
[19:18] <K1rk> seronis, I've heard various things, from making xfconf entries, to changing upower policy settings, to compile your own indicator-session...
[19:18] <K1rk> So far upower has been successful in turning the options off, but not removing them from the menu.
[19:18] <K1rk> xfconf doesn't remove them from the menu either, with the booleans I read about.
[19:18] <K1rk> I'd hate to have to compile my own indicator-session.. that would be a nightmare to manage on 1,000 machines.
[19:20] <seronis> OK. I just figured since instructions exist for adding those things, you could follow them to remove it. Its the limited help I can give and figured having a potential lead is better than just idling with no response in 3 channels =-)
[19:21] <K1rk> lol yeah that's fine seronis.  If you have that link, I can take a look at it.
[19:23] <elfy> K1rk: if you're setting this up on 1000 machines - I assume that you'll be creating an image to do them with - am I right in reading the thread that you just want to remove options from the action button?
[19:24] <elfy> if you can do that and stop them re-enabling 'button options' I guess that's what you're after
[19:25] <K1rk> elfy, yeah.  I'm particularly interested in modifying it in my skel folder. The users' profiles are wiped at logout, so I'm not overly concerned about preventing them from changing it.
[19:26] <elfy> beyond me that - I just know you can remove things from the action button
[19:26] <K1rk> elfy, we do have the "action buttons" as well.
[19:26] <K1rk> But we'd like to keep indicator-session because "click on your name in the upper right" is part of our yearly training speech.
[19:26] <K1rk> lol
[19:27] <seronis> http://linuxg.net/enable-hibernation-on-ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail/
[19:27] <seronis> it has the instructions on the file to edit to add the button.
[19:27]  * elfy thought action buttons was the 'name' of the thing K1rk 
[19:28] <K1rk> "Action Buttons" are the icons to the left of the name in my screenshot
[19:28] <K1rk> Big picture of a power button, big picture of a logout button, etc
[19:28] <K1rk> The "name" thing is indicator-session
[19:28] <elfy> oh right - I fiddle with my setup
[19:29] <elfy> I'd need to get a 12.04 iso to look
[19:38] <elfy> K1rk: none of the machines I've got have indicator-sessions even installed lol - I can look a bit later with a vm if no-one else pitches in
[19:38] <elfy> and I've subscribed on the forum too
[19:39] <elfy> I see Toz said exactly the same as me :)
[19:42] <Sysi> I think 4.10 brought more options to "Action buttons", at least I can set it's appearance in preferences
[19:43] <elfy> K1rk: I assume that these machines will be not messed about with - eg ppa's added
[19:44] <K1rk> elfy, not by end users, but by me... maye
[19:45] <K1rk> *maybe.
[19:48] <elfy> ok - well I've got it downloading now
[19:49] <K1rk> elfy, okay.
[19:53] <jessie10472> can I install quickbooks in xubuntu
[19:53] <jessie10472> and microsoft office
[19:53] <jessie10472> Those are the two main programs I need
[19:54] <knome> jessie10472, i don't know what quickbooks is, but you might want to look at libreoffice for microsoft office replacement
[19:54] <TheSheep> jessie10472: as soon as they make a linux version of them
[19:55] <jessie10472> thanks
[19:55] <jessie10472> I have used libreoffice and liked it
[19:55] <jessie10472> but quickbooks there seems to be no getting around from
[19:55] <knome> jessie10472, what's that software doing?
[19:57] <TheSheep> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickBooks
[19:57] <TheSheep> accounting software
[19:57] <TheSheep> seems pretty specialized
[19:57] <jessie10472> thanks thesheep
[19:57] <jessie10472> I was getting to that lol
[19:57] <TheSheep> jessie10472: you may try if it works under wine
[19:57] <Unit193> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=120 Not very well.
[19:58] <TheSheep> the 2007 version seems good
[19:58] <jessie10472> ok
[20:00] <TheSheep> the 6.0 version is even better
[20:00] <knome> they have an online version that's supposed to work on firefox
[20:03] <[0gb_us]> I'm taking a course right now so I'm inspecting things I normally wouldn't. In doing so, I found my disk partitions are sda1, sda2, and sda5. I shecked a second system, with the same results. Does anyone know why sda3 and sda4 are missing?
[20:04] <elfy> because you only have 2 primaries and one of those is an extended - assuming this isn't gpt
[20:05] <[0gb_us]> So the first four numbered names are reserved for primaries?
[20:06] <Sysi> http://askubuntu.com/questions/151968/what-does-the-term-extended-partition-mean-is-it-safe-to-use-this-type-of-par
[20:06] <elfy> yep and then it starts numbering logicals from 5
[20:06] <[0gb_us]> Okay. Thanks!
[20:07] <elfy> [0gb_us]: all normal - I ahve sda1,2,3,5,6,7,8
[20:08] <th0r> [0gb_us]: I believe the way it works you can have four partitions, either primary or extended. If you create four primaries that is all you can have. If you create one or more extended partitions, then you can create logical partitions within those extended partitions, and their numbering would start with 5
[20:08] <TheSheep> it's really legacy of DOS
[20:09] <TheSheep> it's because there is room only for 4 partition tables at the beginning of the disk
[20:10] <Sysi> you can have 4 logical partitiond in each of 4 extended partiotions, totalling 16
[20:10] <TheSheep> and extended partitions have room for additional partition tables in them
[20:10] <[0gb_us]> Yeah, wow. I just read that answer that was linked, and the old system was limited to four. How sad.
[20:10] <Sysi> ubuntu installer has some funky reason to make third partition logical
[20:10] <TheSheep> [0gb_us]: it was a great improvement compared to what you had with just diskettes :)
[20:11] <[0gb_us]> True.
[20:11] <TheSheep> and four should be enough for anybody, right? ;)
[20:12] <[0gb_us]> I only use the three the installer sets up, personally. But my drive is small.
[20:12] <th0r> TheSheep: four partitions and 640K of memory....more than we will ever need
[20:12] <TheSheep> and 4294967296 ip addresses
[20:12] <[0gb_us]> Does the boot loader have a partition to itself? One partition isn't mounted, and I'm guessing it's for GRUB or something.
[20:13] <th0r> bet that required a calculator <smile>
[20:13] <TheSheep> [0gb_us]: it may be swap, or it may be EFI partition, if you have EFI bios
[20:14] <th0r> [0gb_us]: the extended partition isn't mounted....the logical partitions inside are
[20:14] <TheSheep> ah, that's right
[20:15] <[0gb_us]> AH! Okay, cool. SO the logical partitions are in one of the four partitions.
[20:15] <[0gb_us]> And sda5 is mounted as swap.
[20:15] <th0r> [0gb_us]: right, each of the four can be either primary or extended. Logicals must be inside an extended partition
[20:15] <TheSheep> like those russian dolls
[20:19] <bazhang> matrioshka dolls
[20:24] <elfy> K1rk: does this work ? http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/change-logout-layout-from-xfce-871357/
[20:29] <th0r> elfy: it worked just now for Suspend
[20:30] <elfy> how to confuse a half asleep man - someone else reply ... :p
[20:31] <th0r> elfy: well, I have been wanting to remove Suspend from my logout dialog, but hadn't yet gotten around to searching for info. Never use Hibernate, but assume it will work also.
[20:31] <elfy> aah ok :)
[20:32] <th0r> elfy: didn't even have to log out. Issued the command in a terminal and the Suspend button was gone
[20:32] <elfy> ok - K1rk ^^ :)
[20:37] <sketch_> well i got the nfs working but not auto mounting at reboot any ideas?
[20:39] <sketch_> i have to mount them evertime in the termal and its getting to be a pain in the butt
[20:39] <th0r> sketch_: can you pastebin fstab?
[20:40] <elfy> sketch_: basically you need to add more or less the same thing into fstab
[20:42] <sketch_> i forgot how
[20:43] <elfy> pastebinit /etc/fstab
[20:44] <sketch_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695003/
[20:46] <elfy> and what's the line you've used in the terminal to mount it
[20:46] <sketch_> sudo mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.0.6:/media/toast/Movies /tmp/test
[20:49] <elfy> well that all looks right
[20:49] <sketch_> and this sudo mount -t nfs -o rw 192.168.0.6:/media/toast/Stuff /tmp/test2
[20:50] <th0r> sketch_: I mount my nas like this....might be worth a try   http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695017/
[20:51] <bekks> sketch_: your fstab is horribly wrong and not taken from the example I showed you.
[20:51] <th0r> sketch_: the credentials file is a simple one...two lines...username=xxx and password=yyy the login for the nfs
[20:52] <sketch_> can you help me fix it?
[20:53] <bekks> sketch_: Just use these options "_netdev,auto,nointr" instead of "auto,noatime,nolock,bg,nfssvers=1,intr,tcp,actime0=1800"
[20:53] <bekks> Arrr.
[20:53] <bekks> sketch_: Just use these options "_netdev,auto".
[20:54] <bekks> there is no NFSv1 anymore out there, since decades, so its an invalid option and will not work at all.
[20:57] <sketch_> so i change to _netdev,auto,nointr and it should work now?
[20:57] <bekks> sketch_: Just use "_netdev,auto"
[20:59] <bekks> sketch_: But it will not work, since /tmp is cleaned up during reboot, so there is no "/tmp/test" anymore. Run these command: "sudo mkdir /mnt/test /mnt/test2" and change "/tmp/test" to "/mnt/test" and "/tmp/test2" to "/mnt/test2" in your fstab
[20:59] <bekks> sketch_: Then, it will work upon reboot
[21:03] <sketch_> rebooting and trying brb
[21:06] <sketch_> didnt do anything
[21:07] <bekks> So whats your /etc/fstab now?
[21:09] <sketch_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5695076/
[21:14] <sketch_> does anyone have teamviwer that can just show me?
[21:15] <bekks> sketch_: "192.168.0.6:/media/toast/Stuff   /mnt/test2   nfs      _netdev,auto 0 0"
[21:15] <bekks> Without the "". You deleted the "0 0" at the end of the lines.
[21:15] <bekks> No need for teamviewer to correct it.
[21:17] <sketch_> reboot and should work?
[21:18] <bekks> Yes.
[21:22] <chaitime> hello friend
[21:22] <bazhang> hi
[21:22] <sketch__> great now it works
[21:22] <bekks> sketch__: :P
[21:22] <chaitime> Is there a way to download a big pack of themes for xubuntu?
[21:22] <bekks> sketch__: You now owe me a beer ;)
[21:23] <tyrog> chaitime: Why a big pack? Just download the ones you want
[21:24] <sketch__> ok lol now my next noob ?.. can i get it to just come up auto under devices?
[21:24] <tyrog> chaitime: If you don't know beforehand the ones you want, that's part of the fun of testing xD
[21:25] <chaitime> tyrog, it seems the suggestion is to visit a xfce-look website and browse themes from 2008
[21:26] <chaitime> which is not cool
[21:26] <chaitime> tyrog, yea I want to test it by having it loaded and then going down the list in the manager sorta like how I test screen savers :(
[21:27] <MrElg> just installed xubuntu on my netbook
[21:32] <Noskcaj> MrElg, good to hear
[22:08] <NetCatty> 'one of u guys here with xubuntu 13.04, nvidia video card and proprietary driver?
[22:09] <knome> NetCatty, what if you asked the real question?
[22:10] <NetCatty> knome: I'm searching for a solution regarding the tty1 bug with nvidia proprietary drivers and the invidible text
[22:11] <NetCatty> I search the net for hours, but I can't find a satisfying solution
[22:12] <NetCatty> the text of my tty1- 6 just stays invisible, despite my best efforts
[22:13] <holstein> NetCatty: ive seen that before... when using a chrome driver on an hp mininote.. i just dont use TTY. is that an option?
[22:15] <NetCatty> holstein: regrettably no, I need tty
[22:15] <Chaser> NetCatty, am using 13.04 and nvidia propriety driver. I can login via tty1 etc
[22:16] <Sysi> NetCatty: see http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=18215
[22:27] <NetCatty> Sysi: thx it works!
[22:28] <Sysi> you're welcome
[22:40] <wuzuuz> seems that only you guys will still use gtk+
[22:40] <wuzuuz> lubuntu and unity is porting to qt
[22:41] <Belial> you mean lxde is going to qt?
[22:41] <bekks> Lets talk about when they've done.
[22:41] <Sysi> gnome won't go qt
[22:43] <wuzuuz> do you have any plans to port to gtk3? gtk2 will be sooner or later abandoned, that's for sure
[22:43] <wuzuuz> no one will use it besides you
[22:44] <wuzuuz> I mean, xfce
[22:45] <Sysi> upstream xfce will go to gtk3 at some point, making own gtk3 fork doesn't seem likely
[22:45] <petero983> hi there, I just installed xubuntu 12.04 and after trying lots of stuff I am stuck. I want to use 2 monitors. I installed arandr, saved the settings a.s.o.. How can I make these settings permanent? Cheers
[22:45] <knome> wuzuuz, do you have a support question?
[22:45] <Sysi> petero983: export a script and put it to autostart in settings -> sessions and startup
[22:46] <petero983> Sysi: already did that, does not work
[22:46] <petero983> when I start it manually, it does
[22:48] <petero983> I have a xrandr command, which does exactly what I want, but I don't know how to start it automatically
[22:48] <ObrienDave> i would like to see arandr leave the desktop on the RIGHT monitor. not always push it to the left
[22:50] <petero983> for me on the left one is okay, just need to know how to do it via autostart :D
[22:52] <petero983> I already tried "/etc/X11/Xsession.d/45custom_xrandr-settings"
[22:52] <petero983> and .xprofile
[22:52] <Sysi> petero983: try putting the commands in ~/.xinitrc
[22:52] <petero983> okay
[22:52] <petero983> Sysi: I'll try it
[22:52] <petero983> Sysi: just that xrandr-command?
[22:53] <Sysi> well you can put script that contains them too
[22:53] <petero983> k
[22:53] <Sysi> (but you need to have the right path)
[22:54] <petero983> alright, just have to wait. I had to reinstall xubuntu, because I followed the tutorial on webupd8, with the xubuntu-dev ppa, which destroyed my system
[23:12] <petero983> no luck, still nothing happens
[23:14] <petero983> it is getting even worse, now with the same command the monitors go black and won't wake up again
[23:15] <petero983> even when using arandr
[23:21] <ObrienDave> i think you need to adjust your desktop settings. let me hook up my other monitor. let you know
[23:23] <ObrienDave> ok, i had to go to display settings to turn on the second monitor. give me a minute
[23:26] <ObrienDave> then go to arandr and move one of the screens next to the other. desktop icons are forced to the left monitor
[23:26] <ObrienDave> hit the green check mark to apply
[23:34] <ObrienDave> any luck?
[23:44] <jiggawillis> anyone on?
[23:44] <pleia2> !hi
[23:44] <ObrienDave> yes, just quiet
[23:45] <jiggawillis> my flash for xubuntu 13.10 has stopped working properly every since the download from 13.04. all my videos are a green and purple color. such as youtube
[23:45] <pleia2> 13.10?
[23:45] <petero983> well, all that stuff works
[23:46] <jiggawillis> I cant recall.. but w.e the new update was for
[23:46] <ObrienDave> you runnng the daily-build?
[23:46] <jiggawillis> yes
[23:46] <pleia2> jiggawillis: 13.10 is the development version that hasn't even reached alpha yet :) please submit a bug
[23:46] <ObrienDave> well, that would be unsupported at this time
[23:46] <pleia2> you probably want to use 13.04 if you want a stable system
[23:46] <petero983> but sometimes the monitors just switch off and won't switch on again, and sometimes everything but the autostart works fine
[23:47] <jiggawillis> oh ok. now how can i downgrade back to 13.04
[23:47] <pleia2> in theory it should be possible, but in reality it's very very hard
[23:47] <pleia2> you're better off reinstalling
[23:47] <jiggawillis> Yeah i figured that would be the case
[23:49] <ObrienDave> petero: what version you running?
[23:49] <petero983> 12.04
[23:50] <petero983> what drives me crazy, is that it sometimes works, and next time I try it doesn't
[23:51] <ObrienDave> what card do you have?
[23:52] <petero983> oh
[23:52] <petero983> I hve no idea
[23:52] <petero983> how can I find out?
[23:52] <ObrienDave> nVidia? AMD? onboard?
[23:53] <ObrienDave> pizza time. brb
[23:55] <ObrienDave> am back