| bb23 | hi guys i have just installed raring... a few things seem a bit glitchy - the wifi menu looks ok but menu name is like a yellow/pixelated | 00:14 |
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| bb23 | raring on tf101 | 00:14 |
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| bb23 | just did a apt-get install lsb-core and it seems to have broken things....? | 00:29 |
| deeder | hi | 00:31 |
| deeder | sorry for my bad english | 00:31 |
| deeder | im have a nexus 7 | 00:31 |
| deeder | and have a questions | 00:32 |
| deeder | italiani? | 00:32 |
| jose | spanish | 00:40 |
| bb23 | how do i remove the users like Lola and stuff? | 00:58 |
| bb23 | from the login menu | 00:58 |
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| bb23 | can someone tell me why the keyboard doesnt work at the login screen ? | 01:00 |
| bb23 | hi - how do i remove those default users? | 01:11 |
| bb23 | Lola et | 01:11 |
| mhall119 | bb23: http://sergiusens.github.io/posts/google-contacts-on-ubuntu-touch.html | 01:16 |
| mhall119 | that'll dump the pre-loaded contacts and import your google ones | 01:16 |
| mhall119 | if yo uhave google ones | 01:16 |
| bb23 | thanks mhall119 ill giv ei ta go | 01:17 |
| bb23 | marcoceppi - where abouts is the settings app in 13.01 ? | 01:17 |
| SonikkuAmerica | bb23: 13.10 you mean? | 01:20 |
| bb23 | SonikkuAmerica yes 13.10 | 01:20 |
| bb23 | is there a settings app SonikkuAmerica | 01:21 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I think there is... but I dunno whether it's on the Ubuntu or Android side of things. Try searching for it. | 01:22 |
| mhall119 | bb23: are you talking desktop or phablet? | 01:25 |
| bb23 | phablet | 01:25 |
| mhall119 | there will be a system settings app, it's being designed and developed now | 01:25 |
| mhall119 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings | 01:26 |
| bb23 | apt-get install systemsettings? | 01:27 |
| bb23 | ahh tablet TBD... | 01:28 |
| mhall119 | yeah, it's not available to install yet, still being built | 01:28 |
| SonikkuAmerica | bb23: systemsettings is for KDE :) | 01:29 |
| bb23 | no probs | 01:34 |
| bb23 | anyone here got a TF101? | 01:34 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I have a TF201 (but there was no Touch image made for it and I broke my bootloader trying to flash it :\) | 01:34 |
| SonikkuAmerica | s/it/another image | 01:34 |
| bb23 | ouch | 01:35 |
| cpatrick08 | does anybody know when new ubuntu-touch images will be out for nexus 7 | 01:41 |
| AmEv | Anyone else have a blank screen? | 02:21 |
| AmEv | Well, my Toshiba Thrive is not booting up fully into UbuTouch. | 02:22 |
| AmEv | Head dev had it working before, even had early screenies, but all I'm getting is a blank screen. | 02:24 |
| AmEv | Guess I just hit a time when everybody's away.... | 02:32 |
| napster | Whats the scoop guys? Is this project dead? :) | 03:32 |
| john____ | hello? | 04:36 |
| john____ | when i type the command begining with deb it just says command not found | 04:37 |
| mhall119 | napster: what project? | 04:50 |
| napster | mhall119: I was referring to "Ubuntu Phone OS" | 05:27 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:10 |
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| ogra_ | rsalveti, did you actually use my flipped container stuff ? there should be an fstab in there that defines the mounts as noauto (and the lxc upstart job then mounts them) | 09:12 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, regarding merging the notification-backend into the shell... there's a plugin-API that it is meant to hook into, right? | 09:22 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, yes, the backend needs to become a plugin (as I did rudimentarily in Oakland - sent you guys the diffs) | 09:23 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, Jussi and I are just trying to estimate the work needed to get it... ok | 09:23 |
| * MacSlow looks at his eMail-backlog | 09:23 | |
| MacSlow | Saviq, got it | 09:24 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, also, you can look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-api/trunk/files/head:/test/qmltest/mocks/plugins/Unity/Notifications/ | 09:25 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, where I implemented a minimal plugin that fulfils the interface test | 09:25 |
| Saviq | MacSlow, so you guys should be able to just take it and build on top of it | 09:26 |
| MacSlow | Saviq, great thanks | 09:27 |
| Saviq | ah! you can adb over WiFi? why did no one tell me that before :P | 09:33 |
| * ogra_ would just ssh if you have wifi .... | 09:34 | |
| ogra_ | definitely the better terminal support | 09:34 |
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| mardy | seb128: hi! I forgot to ping you: I think that ubuntu-system-settings trunk branch is now complete enough to allow for 3rd party plugins | 10:48 |
| mpt | zsombi, hi, what did you want to ask about text selection in bug 1183255? | 10:51 |
| ubot5 | bug 1183255 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "[text inputs] Revisit text selection in TextField and TextArea" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1183255 | 10:52 |
| zsombi | mpt: damn pidgin hided your post :) | 10:54 |
| ogra_ | thats what you get using an IM client for IRC :P | 10:55 |
| zsombi | mpt: well, first of all would be goo do have a clear UI interaction design of how the text selection should be handled: is it OK as it is now, or you guys want something special there... | 10:56 |
| mpt | zsombi, aha. Nobody is assigned to design that at the moment, though I have been nagging people about it. | 10:57 |
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| zsombi | mpt: remember that all we have is mostly base don what we get from QtQuick components, nothing special there + the clipboard popover. We got caret + handler from design, but I think we also need to revisit those too. | 10:57 |
| zsombi | mpt: no rush, we have it scheduled for after beta release, meaning after July | 10:58 |
| zsombi | mpt: we just logged the bug so we have the work item listed | 10:59 |
| mpt | ok | 11:00 |
| mayank | any alternate method for installing ubuntu-sdk | 11:02 |
| mayank | other then apt-get install | 11:02 |
| seb128 | mardy, hey, funny coincidence I just checked out lp:ubuntu-system-settings this morning and started playing with it ;-) | 11:03 |
| mardy | seb128: nice! I'm sure you like the icon I chose for the flight-mode option ;-) | 11:04 |
| seb128 | mardy, who doesn't like the twitter bird ;-) | 11:05 |
| mayank | i need to install ubuntu-sdk | 11:05 |
| mardy | mayank: what's wrong with "apt-get install"? Are you running Ubuntu? | 11:06 |
| mayank | mardy: yeep i am running ubuntu and its giving me error | 11:07 |
| mayank | 301 moved permanently | 11:07 |
| mayank | mardy: yeep i am running ubuntu and its giving me error url 301 moved permanently | 11:07 |
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| seb128 | mayank, what ubuntu version do you run and what apt source and package do you try to install? | 11:08 |
| mayank | 12.10 | 11:08 |
| mayank | mardy: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk notepad-qml | 11:10 |
| mayank | mardy: when running sudo apt-get update its givin me error 301 url moved permanently is their any other way to download ubuntu -sdk and then i will compile and install | 11:11 |
| mardy | mayank: do you get some warnings when running "apt-get update"? | 11:20 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, ping | 11:34 |
| duschi | hey, is there a chance to get an iso image of ubuntu touch to try it in a virtual mashine? | 11:36 |
| user82 | is spotify planend for ubuntu touch or is it just an empty icon? | 11:40 |
| ogra_ | duschi, no | 11:41 |
| duschi | @ogra_ ok, will there be such an image? just asking because I wanted to install it on my acer w500 tablet currently running debian, and the images provided are only for tablets with android as I asume | 11:43 |
| ogra_ | duschi, there will, but probably only for x86 android devices in the beginning | 11:48 |
| ogra_ | for 13.10 the focus is clearly on phones | 11:49 |
| ogra_ | 14.04 will see more love for convergence and tablets i think | 11:49 |
| duschi | ok, thx | 11:50 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, rsalveti .... http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696703/ .... | 11:55 |
| * ogra_ cries | 11:55 | |
| ogra_ | 4.3M only for license data | 11:56 |
| mardy | rvr: hi! Can you please test the 2 factor auth with twitter? for some reason I cannot, I don't get any SMSes from twitter | 11:57 |
| rvr | mardy: I will try to | 11:58 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, sergiusens , btw, there seems to still be a grouper kernel tree in the tarball, can't we drop that too ? | 11:58 |
| xenos1984 | hi everyone | 12:06 |
| xenos1984 | ogra_: i looked at the nexus 7 today in a store, looks pretty good | 12:07 |
| xenos1984 | the guy in the store was quite surprised when he saw that there is a hidden menu with developer options | 12:07 |
| xenos1984 | i think about getting myself one of those... but need to think a bit more | 12:08 |
| xenos1984 | and he said it may void the warranty to unlock the boot loader and flash a new os | 12:08 |
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| ogra_ | xenos1984, thats nonsense, a) google explicitly allows installation of other OSes, b) you can always return to the stock image and completely lock it again | 12:11 |
| ogra_ | thats the purpose of nexus devices (and the reason we use them as the supported platform for ubuntu touch) | 12:12 |
| xenos1984 | ogra_: right, i was guessing so - it seems he didn't even know that one can flash a new os, i just wanted to double check that my guess is correct | 12:12 |
| SonikkuAmerica | ogra_: True, however. | 12:13 |
| SonikkuAmerica | ogra_: It's the OEM's warranty that's involved, not Google's. | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | SonikkuAmerica, well | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | if you order through google you can return it to google | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | very simple | 12:14 |
| xenos1984 | so the cheapest ones i could find here are like 240€ for a nexus 7 wifi 16GB, i could also get 32GB for 250€ + shipping (~10€) from germany | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | if you buy in a shop, it might be different | 12:14 |
| SonikkuAmerica | ogra_: Still, except for Motorola devices, Google is not the OEM. | 12:14 |
| ogra_ | but your contact | 12:15 |
| xenos1984 | so those ones they have here are from asus - would there be a possible problem with the asus warranty? | 12:16 |
| ogra_ | no | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | the device eplicitly comes with an unlockable bootloader to tinker with it | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | *explicitly | 12:17 |
| xenos1984 | i see - sounds very good then | 12:19 |
| rvr | mardy: "Sorry, we don't have a connection to your carrier yet" :( | 12:20 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: sure, let me check and remove | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | geez that license crap will keep me busy the while weekend | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | *whole | 12:22 |
| ogra_ | waht a mess | 12:22 |
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| ogra_ | and i already know that nobody will want to review it in the end ... with a 4M copyright file | 12:23 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, what are you talking about? | 12:24 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: I'm afraid to ask... what license crap? | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, trying to package the android tree | 12:24 |
| ogra_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696703/ | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | i need to merge these files into a copyright file for the giant package | 12:25 |
| pmcgowan | ah | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | sadly i cant move on with the container flip without at least having the init binary | 12:25 |
| ogra_ | since thats needed for the initrd/rootfs we boot in the lxc container | 12:26 |
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| ogra_ | to get the init binary i need to package up the whole android tree ... and to do that i need a debian/copyright file ... which needs to contain all copyrights for all files | 12:26 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: the joys of debian packaging | 12:27 |
| ogra_ | well | 12:27 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: can't you use the 'on debian systems blah blah' thing in debian/copyright? | 12:27 |
| ogra_ | usually i dont package 4.7G trees | 12:28 |
| pmcgowan | ogra_, is this even the right thing to do for the source code? | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, nope, the new debian/copyright format requires machine readable syntax with pointers to at least all included subdirs | 12:28 |
| ogra_ | if single files in the subdirs differ you need to point them out explicitly additionally | 12:29 |
| ogra_ | pmcgowan, no, but the only thing i can do atm to make the flip work before we have bionic (which wont happen before end of the month and delay us even more) | 12:29 |
| ogra_ | we wont make saucy if we dont switch by beginning of june | 12:30 |
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| mhall119 | ZDmitry: pong | 12:38 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Is it just me or does Unity Next NOT use the latest GCC/G++? | 12:43 |
| ogra_ | SonikkuAmerica, the saucy packages should | 12:45 |
| ogra_ | raring indeed uses the raring compiler (4.7) | 12:45 |
| SonikkuAmerica | ogra_: I'm trying the Ubuntu Touch on my desktop from the bzr branch and it installed GCC 4.4 | 12:46 |
| ogra_ | that would be a bug unless your desktop uses 4.4 by default | 12:47 |
| SonikkuAmerica | ogra_: Nope. This is Raring. | 12:48 |
| ogra_ | didrocks, ^^^ | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | any idea why building ubnity next would pull in gcc 4.4 ? | 12:49 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, i assume if we dont build any kernels anymore we can also drop the specific toolchains from the tarball included for that | 12:50 |
| ogra_ | (assuming we know which ones they are) | 12:52 |
| didrocks | ogra_: hum, no really, it's a normal ppa, no custom gcc in it | 12:54 |
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| ogra_ | i thought so | 12:54 |
| ogra_ | i wonder whats wrong at SonikkuAmerica s side | 12:55 |
| asac | is latest daily image dogfooding ready? | 13:06 |
| * asac has a GN that waits for some ubuntu excitment | 13:07 | |
| ogra_ | lol | 13:07 |
| ogra_ | could be | 13:07 |
| asac | will i get auto updated? i guess not | 13:07 |
| ogra_ | nope. you need to re-flash | 13:07 |
| asac | its just important that i can do proper phone/internet etc. when next time travelling :) | 13:07 |
| asac | ok | 13:07 |
| ogra_ | upgrades will work with saucy | 13:07 |
| asac | i want saucy dogfooding | 13:08 |
| asac | not raring | 13:08 |
| asac | that will land early next month? | 13:08 |
| ogra_ | but by the looks of it the switch to saucy cant happen before mid of june | 13:08 |
| ogra_ | or even end of june | 13:08 |
| asac | feels that means we failed to deliver dogfooding:) | 13:08 |
| asac | i believe auto updates was essential for that? | 13:08 |
| ogra_ | you can do dogfooding with the milestone everyone works on atm | 13:08 |
| ogra_ | (raring) | 13:08 |
| asac | but there are no auto updates | 13:09 |
| asac | i really think that was a top priority/acceptance criteria ... let me check | 13:09 |
| ogra_ | right, there cant until we have the container flip done | 13:09 |
| asac | ok i was not correct | 13:10 |
| asac | the acceptance was: "When you update your phone your user data is retained, even if updating with phablet-flash" | 13:10 |
| ogra_ | yeah, thats done | 13:10 |
| asac | even though i would say "s/even/in particular/" | 13:10 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens rocks :) | 13:10 |
| * asac hugs sergiusens | 13:10 | |
| asac | ok so i can do it today then i guess | 13:10 |
| asac | thats so amazing | 13:11 |
| asac | i cant wait to see that i can really make a call :) | 13:11 |
| asac | and sms | 13:11 |
| asac | and switch 3g/wifi with cli :) | 13:11 |
| ogra_ | hmm ? | 13:11 |
| asac | do we ship a terminal | 13:11 |
| ogra_ | calls and sms should work | 13:11 |
| asac | ? | 13:11 |
| ogra_ | no, but there is one in the core apps PPA | 13:11 |
| ogra_ | not instaled by default | 13:11 |
| pmcgowan | we are thinking to add the terminal and filemanager | 13:12 |
| asac | how do i install new stuf? | 13:12 |
| asac | is there software manager? | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | adb ... commandline | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | apt-get | 13:12 |
| asac | ic | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | pmcgowan, ++ | 13:12 |
| asac | pmcgowan: for "developer mode"? | 13:12 |
| asac | or just temporarily? | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | well, all we currently do is "developer mode" :) | 13:12 |
| pmcgowan | thats true we could leave them in the open build | 13:12 |
| pmcgowan | forever | 13:12 |
| ogra_ | we should ship it by default until we do an "enduser mode" | 13:13 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, sergiusens did we decide to put those two in, temrinal and filemanager | 13:13 |
| mhall119 | pmcgowan: yes, I made an MP for it, just need someone on bfiller's time to have time to review their code | 13:15 |
| mhall119 | bfiller's team | 13:16 |
| mhall119 | to have time | 13:16 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, sorry for delaying. How can I know when qml app go to background (which property)? | 13:17 |
| mhall119 | ZDmitry: I don't think there is one, not yet anyway | 13:19 |
| mhall119 | they just have their process suspended | 13:20 |
| mhall119 | Kaleo: can you confirm? ^^ | 13:20 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: so, the grouper kernel will be removed once we have a working ubuntu kernel for nexus 7 | 13:20 |
| rsalveti | it's still not working exactly the same as our kernel | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | oh | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | ok | 13:21 |
| rsalveti | asked the kernel folks to test that for me, as I don't have the hardware | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, what about the toolchains | 13:21 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: so, I used your stuff | 13:21 |
| mhall119 | rsalveti: any chance I'll get audio and camera working on the ubuntu kernel? | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | yeah, i answered above | 13:21 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, you seem to be missing the fstab | 13:21 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: but, the upstart job is not started automatically, and the partitions are not mounted then | 13:21 |
| mhall119 | rsalveti: I have a nexus 7,if I cna help | 13:21 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: fstab was fine here | 13:21 |
| rsalveti | I can mount by hand | 13:22 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, hm, if so then I can't hide keyboard when app is going to bg. | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | hmm, it should start automatically | 13:22 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: yup, will start fresh here to get back what I was missing yesterday | 13:22 |
| ogra_ | did you use the right initrd under /var/lib/lxc/android ? | 13:22 |
| mhall119 | ZDmitry: there must be some other way then, it hides for other apps that bring it up via a TextField | 13:22 |
| rsalveti | I was kind of brain dead yesterday | 13:23 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: yup | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, it also seems that not all systems name userdata actually userdata | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | stgraber had some weird capitalized name in there | 13:23 |
| ogra_ | UOD or UDA or so | 13:23 |
| * ogra_ forgot the exact name | 13:23 | |
| rsalveti | ogra_: yeah, that's not unique | 13:23 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: we'd need a different initrd per device | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | that means we cant just ship a generic fstab :( | 13:24 |
| rsalveti | there's no way to have a unique partition name | 13:24 |
| rsalveti | exactly | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:24 |
| rsalveti | that's why even in android there's a specific fstab per device | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | well, we cant have the initrd at all atm | 13:24 |
| ogra_ | not without either the gigantic android source package that spints out init or without the toolchain in the archive so i can roll an initrd from a source package | 13:25 |
| ogra_ | thats somehow a carch-22 | 13:25 |
| ogra_ | *catch | 13:25 |
| SonikkuAmerica | I also have problems with my SSH pubkey trying to finish ./build | 13:25 |
| SonikkuAmerica | It's registered with Launchpad and all, but I keep getting "Permission denied" errors. (My key is also in my authorized_keys file) | 13:26 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: also, why did you need to customize your init files there? | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, which likely means the earliest we can switch to saucy is mid of june | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, we dont need that actually | 13:27 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: and I assume you're just using the android files from the system partition | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, that was for dropping uchroot and for experimenting with adbd | 13:27 |
| ogra_ | we can drop the override init.rc bits | 13:27 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: right, cool | 13:28 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: but adb will be replaced later during boot by android, right? | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | and just drop the uchroot upstream | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | nope | 13:28 |
| rsalveti | well, android will try to start it's own adb | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | adbd rightly recognizes of there is already another adbd running | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | it wont attempt to start | 13:28 |
| rsalveti | we can't drop from upstream yet | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | (if the ubuntu side runs one) | 13:28 |
| rsalveti | oh, cool | 13:28 |
| ogra_ | uchroot ? | 13:28 |
| rsalveti | yup, dropping from upstream will break our images | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | we can drop it for saucy | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:29 |
| rsalveti | sure | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | it doesnt seem to do any harm though | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | but as i said, i doubt we'll be ready to switch before mid of june | 13:29 |
| ogra_ | i need an init binary packaged ... | 13:30 |
| rsalveti | not that sure, it seems we just need to push a bunch of small things | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | which wont happen without the toolchain | 13:30 |
| ogra_ | and the toolchain wont be there before end of the month | 13:30 |
| rsalveti | we need to do it before having the toolchain then | 13:30 |
| rsalveti | atm we're just using the android from the /system partition | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | that means packaging the whole android tree | 13:31 |
| rsalveti | so we can keep flashing that separately | 13:31 |
| rsalveti | all we need is the initrd, right? | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | well, actually just init | 13:31 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, seems this bug applicable not *only* for the terminal app: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1142828 . Is it fixed in latest builds? | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | it is the only binary in there (except adbd which we dont really need atm) | 13:31 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1142828 in touch-preview-images "On-screen keyboard not going away when leaving application." [Medium,Confirmed] | 13:31 |
| rsalveti | don't we need the init.* files from android? | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | thats all text | 13:31 |
| ogra_ | the whole initrd is only plain text and init | 13:32 |
| rsalveti | right, and init is apache-v2, we're not violating anything in case we need to put just the binary | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | (and adbd) | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, i cant *build* it | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | since i have no toolchain | 13:32 |
| mhall119 | ZDmitry: I installed build 133 last night, and I'm pretty sure it's still there | 13:32 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: but why do you need to build it? | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | i need to have a package that contains the initrd | 13:32 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: can't we just grab the binary from what we already have? | 13:32 |
| ogra_ | *initrd's actually | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, not on a build server, no | 13:33 |
| rsalveti | why not? | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | the package builders can only handle packages from the archives, no other internet connection is possible or allowed | 13:33 |
| ogra_ | to roll the lxc-android package i need to depend on the respective initrd packages | 13:34 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: right, but why can't we push that to the archive? the think we can't necessarily build is init | 13:34 |
| ogra_ | how do you push that | 13:34 |
| rsalveti | *the only thing | 13:34 |
| ogra_ | you cant upload binaries to main otr universe | 13:34 |
| ogra_ | and by definition restricted is only for drivers and multiverse cant be used for building | 13:35 |
| rsalveti | don't know, thinking, it's just silly that we're blocked by the toolchain | 13:35 |
| ogra_ | well, alternatively we could upload the giant source package | 13:35 |
| ogra_ | but as you can see above even only assembling the debian/copyright for that will take days | 13:35 |
| ogra_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5696703/ | 13:36 |
| rsalveti | but uploading the source package will not help us much | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | thats just the collection of licenses ... | 13:36 |
| rsalveti | as we need a toolchain to build that anyway | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | it includes the toolchain | 13:36 |
| rsalveti | sure, but we can't have a package with that included | 13:36 |
| ogra_ | hmm, thats indeed true | 13:37 |
| ogra_ | so yeah, toolchain is the blocker | 13:37 |
| * ogra_ is happy he doesnt have to move on with the copyright hell now :) | 13:37 | |
| rsalveti | building init is the blocker then | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | well | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | packaging it | 13:38 |
| rsalveti | right, wonder if we can just build with glibc | 13:38 |
| rsalveti | a static-linked bin | 13:38 |
| ogra_ | i fear we might break driver stuff | 13:38 |
| rsalveti | just init | 13:39 |
| rsalveti | won't do us any harm I believe | 13:39 |
| rsalveti | I can take a look at that | 13:39 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 13:39 |
| ogra_ | if that would work that would indeed hellp a lot | 13:40 |
| ogra_ | i was fearing that getprop also offers an abi that drivers might use ... which could have issues with libc vs bionic | 13:40 |
| ogra_ | just packaging the initrd (or even just tarring up the content) is trivial indeed | 13:40 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: yeah, and that would get us to the point we need | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | oh | 13:43 |
| rsalveti | probably not, I hope :-) | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | i just found another binary | 13:43 |
| rsalveti | which one? | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | there is /charger | 13:43 |
| rsalveti | right, we don't need that | 13:43 |
| ogra_ | not neccesarily needed for the start though | 13:43 |
| rsalveti | that's probably responsible for the charger animation | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | right | 13:44 |
| rsalveti | and we need something similar anyway | 13:44 |
| ogra_ | we'll need thet on the ubuntu side | 13:44 |
| rsalveti | right | 13:45 |
| rsalveti | I noticed it also contains /sbin/watchdogd /sbin/ueventd and /sbinadbd | 13:45 |
| rsalveti | /sbin/adbd | 13:45 |
| ogra_ | the first two are links to init | 13:45 |
| rsalveti | great | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | and adbd isnt needed atm | 13:46 |
| rsalveti | will try that them | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | root@android:/ # ls -l /var/lib/lxc/android/rootfs/sbin/ | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | total 156 | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | -rwxr-x--- 1 root root 157728 May 23 19:28 adbd | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 23 19:28 ueventd -> ../init | 13:46 |
| ogra_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 May 23 19:28 watchdogd -> ../init | 13:46 |
| Kaleo | mhall119: there is | 13:47 |
| rsalveti | yeah, compared the 4 initrds here and they are all similar | 13:47 |
| Kaleo | mhall119: from the top of my head: Qt.application.active | 13:47 |
| ogra_ | cool | 13:48 |
| ogra_ | so i need: lxc-android-config ... depending on android-initrd-$device, lxc and android-utils-adbd ... that should give us everything we need for the flipped rootfs ... | 13:49 |
| mhall119 | Kaleo: and will an app have time to respond to that before it's process is suspended? | 13:49 |
| ogra_ | the only tricky bit i still have is getting the ubuntu initrd into the boot.img then | 13:49 |
| Kaleo | ZDmitry: 15:47 < Kaleo> mhall119: from the top of my head: Qt.application.active | 13:49 |
| ZDmitry | Kaleo, thanks! | 13:50 |
| Kaleo | mhall119: yes | 13:50 |
| mhall119 | at any rate, I tested the keyboard issue with the browser and it's there too (I just hadn't noticed it before on anything but terminal), so it's not something ZDmitry needs to fix explicitly | 13:50 |
| Kaleo | mhall119: wel,, hangoon | 13:50 |
| Kaleo | mhall119: at the moment, probably not | 13:50 |
| Kaleo | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qml-qt.html#application-prop | 13:51 |
| Kaleo | mhall119: need ricmm for this | 13:51 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: right, but that can be done during build time | 13:51 |
| rsalveti | we can also use the kernel from the archive | 13:51 |
| rsalveti | so we can build our own boot.img in the build image servers | 13:51 |
| ogra_ | well, we need rto somehow assemble the boot.img | 13:51 |
| ogra_ | which currently happens from the android build | 13:51 |
| rsalveti | yeah, and for that we only need the boot.img config, which is inside of it, and can be extracted with abootimg | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | which in turn doesnt use the ubuntu bits and vice versa | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | it depends on getting the two connected somehow | 13:52 |
| ogra_ | we could use a completely generic initrd if we could build one though ... there is nothing HW specific in it | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | (apart from the mountpoint of userdata, but i can adjust the script to probe all possible names) | 13:53 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: rsalveti haven't read the whole thread, but you mentioned you could pull stuff from PPAs, right? | 13:53 |
| rsalveti | but can't we just build our own initrd with abootimg? | 13:53 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, not in official builds | 13:54 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: rsalveti can we add the binary only init stuff into a PPA until it's ready? | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, initrd ? nope | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, we use update-initramfs | 13:54 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: right, but together with update-initramfs | 13:54 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, yes, we can | 13:54 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: that might help indeed, but will take a look first to see if I can do it once and push it to the archive | 13:55 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: as in binary only? | 13:55 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: no, will try to build with glibc | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | well, i would prefer we stop using these "until its ready" workarounds | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | we have way to many now | 13:55 |
| ogra_ | if it works statically built as glibc binary thats definitely preferable | 13:56 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: put it this way, it breaks a BLOCKED statement :-) | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | we are way to far in the cycle to *add* such workarounds | 13:56 |
| ogra_ | we should already be working on removing them :) | 13:57 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: oh I agree | 13:57 |
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| ogra_ | (which we cant until the saucy switch) | 13:57 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, sergiusens ... btw other than initrd we only need /system built ... isnt that device agnostic ? | 13:57 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: not really | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | (ignoring /system/vendor as that should just have perbuilt content) | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, why not ? | 13:58 |
| ogra_ | whats HW specific in there ? | 13:58 |
| rsalveti | no necessarily | 13:58 |
| rsalveti | *not | 13:58 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: hmm...well I can make a wild guess, but different flags are triggered all around the build | 13:59 |
| rsalveti | most things are, but it might also have some other libs and such that are hw specifics | 13:59 |
| sergiusens | depending on the hardware | 13:59 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 13:59 |
| sergiusens | like camera2 instead of camera | 13:59 |
| rsalveti | indeed | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i wonder if we could split that up into generic and hw specific | 13:59 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, Kaleo: I just tested Qt.application.active prop, and seems it's not work on device. On desktop Qt.application.active changes to false when app go to bg, but on device it is still true. | 13:59 |
| ogra_ | so that we could build a /system that just gets the HW bits dumped on top | 13:59 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: yeah... I always thought that the intention of packaging android was to actually do this :-) | 14:00 |
| Kaleo | ZDmitry: odd | 14:00 |
| Kaleo | ZDmitry: can you file a bug please? | 14:00 |
| ogra_ | sergiusens, well, i was actually expecting us to do a build per device and just grab the zips in the end | 14:00 |
| rsalveti | we might be able to do that later, not necessarily now :-) | 14:01 |
| ogra_ | and just have the needed bits used for building in piecemeal in the archive | 14:01 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 14:01 |
| rsalveti | bfiller: mind reviewing/happroving https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/demo-assets/1182549/+merge/165500? | 14:01 |
| ogra_ | i didnt mean this month ... or even 13.10 | 14:01 |
| rsalveti | saw you already did the review, but we got an extra rev in the branch there | 14:01 |
| bfiller | rsalveti: sure, after my standup | 14:01 |
| ogra_ | it was just an idea that struck me tinkering with the builds today | 14:01 |
| rsalveti | after your review was done | 14:01 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: he already reviewed, was waiting for you for some tests aside from mine ;-) | 14:01 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: right, noticed the extra rev there is just changing the package description | 14:02 |
| rsalveti | which is fine | 14:02 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: extra rev was an irc _needs fixing_ :-P | 14:02 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: sure, sounds fine | 14:02 |
| rsalveti | will test that now | 14:02 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: finally removing the form factor var | 14:03 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: yeah, I just felt like it :-P | 14:04 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: no need to change two files for them to be the same | 14:04 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: even though it's not really needed | 14:04 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: yeah | 14:04 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/demo-assets/1182549/+merge/165500 | 14:04 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: what's up with that? | 14:05 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: I'd make the demo-assets to depend on the other packages but explicit adding the version it's depending | 14:05 |
| ZDmitry | Kaleo, file a bug to Ubuntu UI Toolkit, right? | 14:05 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: as they are all created by the same package | 14:05 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: sure... I can do that... I just added that in a very short lived manner :-P | 14:06 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: sure, just add (= ${binary:Version}) in front of the package name | 14:06 |
| sergiusens | yup | 14:06 |
| Kaleo | ZDmitry: that will do | 14:06 |
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| rsalveti | sergiusens: why changing: | 14:08 |
| rsalveti | 125-#!/usr/bin/env python3 | 14:08 |
| rsalveti | 126+#!/usr/bin/python3 | 14:08 |
| rsalveti | ? | 14:08 |
| rsalveti | just curious | 14:08 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: because ogra_ told me once to always use what's in the system and I follow commands :-) | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | for packaged python you should point to the interpreter directly | 14:08 |
| * sergiusens mentions it's not his script though | 14:08 | |
| rsalveti | right, cool | 14:08 |
| ogra_ | else a python in /usr/local might break packaged bits | 14:09 |
| sergiusens | or virtualenv | 14:09 |
| ogra_ | (thats true for all interpreted packaged bits) | 14:09 |
| rsalveti | makes sense | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | hmpf | 14:10 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: after merging your branches we should get a 'clean' build | 14:10 |
| rsalveti | right? | 14:10 |
| ogra_ | so manta doesnt use the by-name path for mounting its /data | 14:11 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: I forgot about sending you this quick one: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/0001-Adding-a-system-hal-system-image-which-bundles-syste.patch | 14:11 |
| ogra_ | could someone with a manta check if there *is* a partition name for userdata somewheer under /dev/block/ | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: weird, what is it using? | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | ? | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | mmcblk0p10 | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | hardcoded | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | directly? weird | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | let me check | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | that wont work with my initrd | 14:12 |
| ogra_ | i'm looking at the fstab's in the build tree atm | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: fstab is fine | 14:12 |
| rsalveti | /dev/block/platform/dw_mmc.0/by-name/system /system ext4 ro wait | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | no | 14:13 |
| rsalveti | /dev/block/platform/dw_mmc.0/by-name/cache /cache ext4 noatime,nosuid,nodev,nomblk_io_submit,errors=panic wait,check | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | not for the ubuntu initrd | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | oh | 14:13 |
| rsalveti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697081/ | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | fstab.smdk5250 /dev/block/mmcblk0p3 /data ext4 noatime,nosuid,nodev,nomblk_io_submit,errors=panic wai | 14:13 |
| ogra_ | thats what i have in the tree here | 14:13 |
| rsalveti | hm, that's not for manta | 14:14 |
| rsalveti | might be the dev board they used for manta | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | ./device/samsung/manta/fstab.smdk5250 | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | ah | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | good then | 14:14 |
| rsalveti | yeah, not the one used by the image | 14:14 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | so i only need to search for userdata or UDA for now | 14:14 |
| ogra_ | until i get bugs from people wheer they use even different names :) | 14:15 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: UDA or UFA? | 14:15 |
| ogra_ | UDA apparently | 14:15 |
| ogra_ | fstab.grouper /dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/UDA | 14:15 |
| rsalveti | yeah | 14:15 |
| rsalveti | for *now*, yes :-) | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | UFA will only be there once achiang had it in his fingers | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | though not with a capital f | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, right, i will do a call on the ML to collect all possible fstabs from porters once we switched | 14:16 |
| ogra_ | to find all other possible names | 14:16 |
| ZDmitry | Kaleo, is property "Active" of MainView item should give the same result as Qt.application.active? | 14:17 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: oh missed the _clean build_ thing... so no videos and no music no fake messages and no contacts | 14:18 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: even if we add the videos we will drop 60M from it since they are not going to be vainly copied | 14:19 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: right, but the call for +2 manage-address-books create is still part of ubuntu-session | 14:19 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: it will be ignored if not installed | 14:19 |
| rsalveti | shouldn't we remove it then? | 14:19 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: makes it harder to readd when installing the demo content though | 14:20 |
| rsalveti | alright | 14:20 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: but I could and just also maintain a separate copy or sed it in | 14:20 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: is it safe to release a new version of qml-phone-shell? if it is, I can also get rid of installing webapps-demo ;-) | 14:21 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, yes, it always is | 14:22 |
| * ogra_ would keep music and videos | 14:22 | |
| Saviq | sergiusens, will do | 14:22 |
| ogra_ | as long as we ship a filemanager | 14:22 |
| mhall119 | and terminal | 14:23 |
| ogra_ | well, filemanager to easily delete the files | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | you cant remove the demo contacts that easy | 14:24 |
| ogra_ | but removing files you can | 14:24 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Hooray! Got it running! (Just sample data for now, right? | 14:25 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: file manager runs as phablet, so as long as the files you want to delete are owned by phablet, then yes | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | ah, indeed | 14:26 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: seems we'd need the big tarball, or sources at least, to build the toolchain | 14:26 |
| * ogra_ forgot that minor detail | 14:26 | |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, doko is on it but his ETA is end of the month | 14:26 |
| rsalveti | looking at the toolchain build script (from linaro), it's downloading the core from git to build the toolchain | 14:26 |
| rsalveti | yeah, I was checking with doko | 14:26 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, so its a querstion if we can actually gain any time by doing it with the tarball | 14:27 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: but with a terminal, you can always sudo | 14:27 |
| rsalveti | at least until we have the developer mode support :-) | 14:27 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 14:27 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: yeah, we'll see | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, lets discuss that in the standup | 14:28 |
| rsalveti | sure | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | getting the image changes will surely take another week | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | so if the toolchain is ready by june 1st the earliest i see us switch is in the second week of june | 14:29 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: haha, with latest I can use the keyboard in landscape mode, even if the screen is still in portrait | 14:29 |
| ogra_ | lovely | 14:29 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: right, but I believe by packaging first the initrd, we can at least have something | 14:29 |
| rsalveti | reproducible and which we can improve over the time | 14:30 |
| ogra_ | well, only if i have init | 14:30 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: yeah :-) | 14:30 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: getting there | 14:30 |
| rsalveti | :-) | 14:30 |
| Saviq | dpm, ping | 14:30 |
| dpm | hey Saviq | 14:37 |
| Saviq | dpm, hey, when https://code.launchpad.net/~paulliu/unity/i18n/+merge/165160 lands, we'll have i18n in the shell | 14:37 |
| dpm | oh wow! | 14:37 |
| Saviq | dpm, can you set up translations for us? | 14:37 |
| dpm | \o/ | 14:37 |
| dpm | sure, on it | 14:37 |
| Saviq | dpm, you need to remember that it's the backends' responsibility to supply already translated strings for most of the stuff, so there's only like 10 translatables right now | 14:38 |
| dpm | gotcha | 14:38 |
| dpm | Saviq, I can set it up so that when the branch lands everything's set up. I'll just need your help to set up the translations export branch, as I don't have permissions on the project | 14:38 |
| Saviq | dpm, sure, let me know what do I do | 14:39 |
| SonikkuAmerica | Well, whenever I open any of the apps in QML Phone Shell the whole thing stops responding; is this normal at this stage? | 14:39 |
| dpm | Saviq, I guess this is for the phablet series, right? This way we'll have translations for trunk (which is already translatable) and phablet | 14:40 |
| Saviq | dpm, yes | 14:40 |
| dpm | ok, cool | 14:40 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: thanks! I might crank a build out today with no demo content (well, the ones that disturb that is). | 14:41 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, it's gonna be sad without demo-assets ;) | 14:41 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, not sure we want no demo assets, lets think on this | 14:42 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: I have it already ;-) | 14:42 |
| pmcgowan | we want no demo apps or contacts | 14:42 |
| Saviq | ah that's fine, yeah | 14:42 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: well bfiller and I agreed to wait for your opinion | 14:43 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: no Pictures IMO is important too | 14:43 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, we could say anything the user can provide is ok to remove | 14:43 |
| pmcgowan | but music and videos cannot add them yet afaik | 14:43 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: I'll readd | 14:44 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, just thinking out loud here | 14:44 |
| pmcgowan | unless saviq has a patch to fix that | 14:44 |
| dpm | Saviq, ok, just one step to finish the translations set up: could you set ~unity-team/unity/phablet as the exports branch in https://translations.launchpad.net/unity/phablet/+link-translations-branch ? | 14:44 |
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| Saviq | dpm, done | 14:45 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, well, you can install unity-lens-music, unity-lens-apps | 14:45 |
| Saviq | s/apps/video/g | 14:46 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, and it should do whatever it does on your desktop now | 14:46 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, but there won't be a carousel for them etc. | 14:46 |
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| sergiusens | Saviq: I'm down for that if pmcgowan is | 14:47 |
| pmcgowan | Saviq, sergiusens so dog fooding breaks demoing | 14:47 |
| dpm | Saviq, perfect, thanks. When the branch lands, translations will be exposed in https://translations.launchpad.net/unity (I've set unity/phablet as the translation focus) | 14:47 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, yup it does | 14:47 |
| pmcgowan | cant win | 14:47 |
| pmcgowan | lets leave music and videos as is for now | 14:47 |
| Saviq | dpm, awesome, thanks | 14:47 |
| rsalveti | we could have special scripts to generate a demo-specific image if needed | 14:47 |
| rsalveti | but make the daily be more dogfooding friendly | 14:48 |
| pmcgowan | Saviq, how long until we get a real dash update in | 14:48 |
| rsalveti | I'm fine leaving music and video as is as well | 14:48 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, still some time away, peeps are focused on getting the smart scopes in | 14:48 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, in the Unity APIs team | 14:48 |
| Saviq | pmcgowan, we also need replacement music and video scopes when the above's done | 14:49 |
| pmcgowan | right all of that | 14:49 |
| Saviq | yup | 14:49 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: for demoes I can replace the video and music lens with the mock ones | 14:49 |
| pmcgowan | but I can do anything with music right now anyway | 14:50 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: so do you need to update your mrs again? | 14:50 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: right | 14:50 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: I'd vote for not having music lens in for now | 14:50 |
| pmcgowan | lets leave them in and think about it next month | 14:50 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: not with music, but maybe with videos | 14:50 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: apt-get install demo-assets-music if you want the fake stuff | 14:50 |
| rsalveti | fake music doesn't cause any harm | 14:51 |
| rsalveti | does it? | 14:51 |
| pmcgowan | one step at a time | 14:51 |
| bfiller | no | 14:51 |
| bfiller | disk space and memory hit | 14:51 |
| pmcgowan | this month is contacts and apps | 14:51 |
| rsalveti | right | 14:51 |
| pmcgowan | next month can be music and video | 14:51 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: and pictures? | 14:51 |
| sergiusens | and conversations ;-) | 14:52 |
| pmcgowan | thinking, bfiller what do you think | 14:52 |
| pmcgowan | is there a separate package for picture demo samples? | 14:52 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: I think for dogfooding release we should remove all demo content except for videos, as we need them in to run the video player and test it | 14:53 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: yes there is | 14:53 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: this is my plan btw http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5697224/ | 14:53 |
| pmcgowan | bfiller, ok so I agree take pictures and conversations out | 14:53 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: we're splitting up the demo pacakge so users can indiviually install -pictures -music -contacts, etc | 14:53 |
| pmcgowan | but I would leave the music mock | 14:53 |
| pmcgowan | bfiller, vg | 14:54 |
| sergiusens | just need to know what to add or remove so I can tool it properly | 14:54 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: ack | 14:54 |
| bfiller | pmcgowan: so videos and music in, everything else out, sergiusens | 14:54 |
| sergiusens | ok, I'll add demo-assets-video and demo-assets-music | 14:54 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, btw, the images have daily-build-next by default? then unity-lens-video, unity-lens-music are already 100scopes | 14:55 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, incompatible with current shell | 14:55 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: ok... needs more thinking then | 14:57 |
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| Saviq | sergiusens, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity/phablet.release-178/+merge/165642 | 15:11 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: thanks, I'll look | 15:16 |
| sergiusens | I'll wait for CI to test | 15:17 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, yup, cool | 15:19 |
| bfiller | mfisch: ping | 15:23 |
| mfisch | bfiller: piong | 15:23 |
| mfisch | pong even | 15:23 |
| bfiller | mfisch: seeing the screen go blank even when using the phone a bunch in today's build on Galaxy Nexus | 15:23 |
| bfiller | mfisch: typically after rebooting | 15:24 |
| bfiller | happened a few times | 15:24 |
| mfisch | bfiller: the screen timeout is 30 seconds, I believe, so it's going black more frequently than that? | 15:24 |
| bfiller | mfisch: it's blacking while I'm actively using it, like typing in browser or scrolling | 15:25 |
| bfiller | sometimes, not all the times | 15:25 |
| mfisch | okay, that's certainly not correct | 15:26 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, hey | 15:26 |
| mfisch | bfiller: can you clear out the /var/log/upstart/powerd.log file and then send me a section where it repros? | 15:26 |
| bfiller | mfisch: I'll see if I can reliably repro and file a bug, test it out | 15:26 |
| bfiller | mfisch: reboot your phone and then use the browser | 15:26 |
| seb128 | Kaleo, did you see my small .qml testcase for the keynav issue yesterday? did you have any chance to look at it after the fire fighting debugging you were doing? ;-) | 15:26 |
| mfisch | bfiller: ok, I only have a N4, but the screen blank stuff is pretty universal | 15:27 |
| bfiller | mfisch: ack | 15:27 |
| mfisch | bfiller: the log file will tell us what we need to know, if it thinks that its idle for example | 15:27 |
| mfisch | bfiller: there it is! | 15:28 |
| mfisch | sforshee: ping! | 15:28 |
| bfiller | mfisch: you got it? | 15:28 |
| mfisch | bfiller: yes | 15:28 |
| mfisch | sforshee: the timer expired | 15:28 |
| mfisch | ** (process:895): DEBUG: Releasing internal active state request | 15:28 |
| sforshee | mfisch, we need to figure out whether we're not getting the events or whether the timer isn't getting reset correctly | 15:29 |
| mfisch | sforshee: this will take priority over the cookie changes | 15:29 |
| mfisch | sforshee: yep, can you repro? just only use the browser | 15:29 |
| sforshee | mfisch, trying | 15:29 |
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| seb128 | mardy, hey | 15:30 |
| seb128 | mardy, quick question for you | 15:30 |
| sforshee | mfisch, no luck for me | 15:31 |
| sforshee | though I'm probably running what's in trunk rather than the last released version | 15:31 |
| seb128 | mardy, is there a way to call a dbus method to get a string from qml, or does that require a cpp plugin? | 15:31 |
| mfisch | sforshee: I have my hacked up cookie version | 15:31 |
| sforshee | mfisch, maybe I've already fixed the bug then :-) | 15:32 |
| mfisch | bfiller: in the browser, when you slide up the URL bar and click on it to get the keyboard, the (X) on the right doesn't work, not sure if that's known | 15:32 |
| bfiller | mfisch: yup, known. we're working on a fix | 15:32 |
| mfisch | ok | 15:32 |
| mfisch | sforshee: let me rebuild with trunk and if it works here, we can let bfiller try it | 15:32 |
| sforshee | mfisch, ack | 15:32 |
| bfiller | mfisch: is trunk different than what's in last night's build? | 15:33 |
| sforshee | bfiller, we just merged some stuff about 20 minutes ago | 15:33 |
| bfiller | sforshee: ok | 15:33 |
| bfiller | mfisch, sforshee : btw, pretty cool how the phone wakes up now on text or call :) | 15:33 |
| bfiller | nice work | 15:34 |
| mfisch | sforshee: I cant repro a second time | 15:34 |
| mfisch | let me reboot | 15:34 |
| bfiller | mfisch: I was only noticiing after reboot mostly | 15:35 |
| mfisch | sforshee: it just happened to me when just using the menus | 15:36 |
| mfisch | right after reboot | 15:36 |
| mfisch | sforshee: restart powerd and just play on the phone | 15:36 |
| sforshee | mfisch, okay | 15:36 |
| sforshee | mfisch, I just god it | 15:37 |
| sforshee | *got | 15:37 |
| mfisch | now I'm not getting it | 15:37 |
| mfisch | odd | 15:37 |
| mfisch | sforshee: it seems to be after startup and I can repro on your code | 15:39 |
| mfisch | bfiller: can you file a bug so we can track it? | 15:40 |
| bfiller | sure | 15:40 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, latest build 133 has original way of overriding bug vis OSK: you can not switch app until manually hide OSK. | 15:40 |
| rsalveti | mfisch: sforshee: yeah, there's probably a racing condition between sleep and handling the input events | 15:43 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, s/vis/with | 15:43 |
| bfiller | mfisch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/powerd/+bug/1183865 | 15:44 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1183865 in powerd "screen blanking when device is active" [High,New] | 15:44 |
| mfisch | sforshee: I have dozens of these ** (process:833): DEBUG: resetting activity_timer | 15:44 |
| mfisch | sforshee: so the input stuff is fine and the timer is being reset | 15:44 |
| sforshee | mfisch, same here | 15:45 |
| sforshee | I'm gonna figure out who is turning it off, might not be the activity timer code | 15:45 |
| mfisch | why is it turning off before we release the internal state request? | 15:46 |
| mfisch | I guess that order is okay, nm | 15:46 |
| bfiller | mfisch: btw, turned on bug tracking for powerd project in LP so that is where you should file/track bugs for that component | 15:46 |
| mfisch | thanks | 15:47 |
| ZDmitry | Kaleo, done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1183866 | 15:48 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1183866 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "Application active state is not changes when application goes to background" [Undecided,New] | 15:48 |
| dpm | Saviq, on that MP to internationalize the shell, are the .mo files actually built and installed by the package or did I miss something? | 15:49 |
| mhall119 | is there a way to see what build number I have installed on my N7? | 15:49 |
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| sforshee | mfisch, so it is the activity monitor. There's probably some race where we get an extra activity_monitor event scheduled | 15:50 |
| sforshee | I suspect a race in calling reset_activity_timer | 15:50 |
| mfisch | sforshee: how did you decide that it was the am? | 15:51 |
| sforshee | I added debug statements to everyone who calls set_screen_state | 15:51 |
| mhall119 | mfisch: is the current auto-suspend timeout hard coded, or is it a config option somewhere I can change? | 15:51 |
| sforshee | mfisch, I'm coding up something that I think should fix it | 15:52 |
| mfisch | mhall119: hard-coded | 15:52 |
| mhall119 | :/ darn | 15:52 |
| mfisch | mhall119: someone tells us where to look we can load an option | 15:52 |
| mhall119 | mfisch: look in my brain :) | 15:52 |
| mfisch | sforshee: confirmed your diagnosis with gdb | 15:54 |
| mfisch | sforshee: are you locking the activity timer refernces? | 15:55 |
| sforshee | mfisch, yep, and making sure no one messes with it except by calling reset_activity_timer | 15:55 |
| mfisch | +1 on both of those ideas | 15:55 |
| mfisch | mhall119: theoretically this is my last day on powerd | 15:56 |
| mfisch | mhall119: can we just make up something in gconf and read it? | 15:56 |
| mhall119 | mfisch: I'd be fine with that, but maybe double-check with seb128 to make sure that's a good approach | 15:56 |
| mfisch | seb128: tintement | 15:57 |
| seb128 | dconf key seems fine to me | 15:57 |
| seb128 | dconf, not gconf, please ;-) | 15:57 |
| mfisch | seb128: is there a dconf db for root or a system-wide one? | 15:57 |
| sforshee | mfisch, seems to fix it | 15:58 |
| mfisch | sforshee: hooray, push a fix and I will test too | 15:58 |
| sforshee | I'll push it somewhere | 15:58 |
| seb128 | mfisch, there is one built from the schemas yes, why? | 15:58 |
| mfisch | sforshee: better prep a changelog too after you push it | 15:58 |
| seb128 | mfisch, the schemas include the default value | 15:58 |
| seb128 | then you can override either at the packaging level, or sysadmin, or set an user config | 15:58 |
| mfisch | seb128: a process running as root can't read a user's dconf settings | 15:59 |
| mfisch | IIRC | 15:59 |
| seb128 | well, you just need to set the key for the proper user | 15:59 |
| seb128 | e.g for root | 15:59 |
| mfisch | ok | 15:59 |
| mfisch | i was not sure the right way to do system-wide settings, I will look into this | 15:59 |
| seb128 | why do you need that? | 15:59 |
| seb128 | just ship a schemas with the default value | 16:00 |
| seb128 | changing the setting is an issue for whoever will do an UI for that | 16:00 |
| mfisch | ok | 16:00 |
| seb128 | or for the user who want to run the command manually to change it | 16:00 |
| mfisch | that was my plan | 16:00 |
| mfisch | and then we just do a dconf read on the setting and get it | 16:00 |
| mfisch | should be simple | 16:00 |
| seb128 | right | 16:00 |
| Saviq | dpm, yes, they are | 16:02 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, can we remove sideStage for the terminal app? | 16:02 |
| dpm | cool, thanks for confirming Saviq | 16:02 |
| mhall119 | ZDmitry: what do you mean? | 16:03 |
| mhall119 | so it will run in the main stage? | 16:03 |
| ZDmitry | yes | 16:04 |
| mhall119 | as long as it will still run properly on devices that are too small for sidestage | 16:04 |
| mhall119 | pmcgowan: do we have any documentation on what the X-Ubuntu-StageHint does, and what values is can take/should be given? | 16:05 |
| mhall119 | specifically on what to do for apps that can be in either stage | 16:05 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, I expect ricmm knows | 16:05 |
| pmcgowan | or Saviq | 16:06 |
| mhall119 | Saviq: ^^ | 16:06 |
| sforshee | mfisch, bfiller: fix pushed to lp:~sforshee/powerd/serialize-activity-timer-access | 16:06 |
| sforshee | sorry for the delay, had to take a phone call | 16:06 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, then let it be as is. | 16:06 |
| Saviq | mhall119, MainStage and SideStage | 16:07 |
| Saviq | mhall119, and yes, where there's no SideStage, MainStage is forced | 16:07 |
| mhall119 | Saviq: what about when apps can use both? | 16:07 |
| Saviq | mhall119, not supported yet | 16:08 |
| mhall119 | ZDmitry: so then it really only matters for larger tablets like the Nexus 10 | 16:08 |
| Saviq | mhall119, there's a whole story there to be told: how do you say which stage do you launch an app if it supports both? | 16:08 |
| Saviq | mhall119, how do you force launching in one or the other? | 16:09 |
| Saviq | mhall119, how do you move it between stages | 16:09 |
| mhall119 | Saviq: I'm really hoping somebody is writing that story by now | 16:09 |
| Saviq | mhall119, we're doing phone now, remember? ;) | 16:09 |
| Saviq | mhall119, and also all this needs to be possible also when an app is running already | 16:09 |
| mhall119 | maybe you are, but all I have is an N7, so *I* am doing tablet :) | 16:09 |
| Saviq | mhall119, it's just a big phone ;P | 16:10 |
| mhall119 | Saviq: convergence, convergence, convergence! All apps need to be able to change size/shape/formfactor at runtime | 16:10 |
| Saviq | mhall119, say Skype would only support sidestage, but when you do a video call, it should support both | 16:10 |
| Saviq | mhall119, of course, I know | 16:10 |
| mhall119 | Saviq: seriously, do you know if design is working out the UX for this? | 16:10 |
| Saviq | mhall119, as you can see from the list of questions ^^^ we're thinking about it, and have it in mind | 16:11 |
| mhall119 | or do I need to bug them | 16:11 |
| Saviq | mhall119, only no-one is actively working on it now | 16:11 |
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| ZDmitry | mhall119, then the terminal should be leaved in sideStage for best time ) | 16:21 |
| rickspencer3 | rick@rick-K53SV:~$ phablet-flash | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | Device detected as mako | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | Not enough space in /data, found 3.6G | 16:24 |
| rickspencer3 | lool ^ | 16:24 |
| pmcgowan | rickspencer3, do adb shell rm /sdcard/*.zip | 16:25 |
| rickspencer3 | didn't know those were still there | 16:25 |
| lool | maybe we could do that automatically | 16:25 |
| rickspencer3 | pmcgowan, ack | 16:25 |
| pmcgowan | the last install is there | 16:25 |
| pmcgowan | and enough to get under the limit | 16:25 |
| lool | pmcgowan: could we have the post-deploy remove the zip? | 16:26 |
| pmcgowan | we could but they may be there to aid restoring | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | if it is autodeploy.zip that usually happens automatically | 16:26 |
| ogra_ | the recovery mode does it for you once it is done | 16:26 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, could we clear those zips | 16:26 |
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| Kaleo | ZDmitry: thx! | 16:31 |
| ZDmitry | Kaleo, np | 16:31 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, we can add landscape mode to the terminal app (works fine for build 133): https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/app-rev220513/+merge/165664 | 16:36 |
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| mfisch | sforshee: +1 on your bug fix, do you have an MP yet? | 16:54 |
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| sforshee | mfisch, one sec | 16:55 |
| sforshee | mfisch, https://code.launchpad.net/~sforshee/powerd/serialize-activity-timer-access/+merge/165669 | 16:56 |
| mfisch | sforshee: you need a changelog, I'm voting to ship this since Pollito is offline | 16:58 |
| sforshee | mfisch, I'm working on the changelog right this minute | 16:58 |
| mfisch | bfiller: is Chicken on vacation today? | 16:58 |
| bfiller | mfisch: not sure, think he's off and on | 16:59 |
| mfisch | sforshee: can you add a comment about using the activity timer access function? | 16:59 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: rickspencer3 clearing those zips is not good.. unless they match a certain pattern... it could be anything | 17:00 |
| sergiusens | -b wipes everything | 17:00 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, did you fix the space check on -b | 17:01 |
| sergiusens | mfisch: bfiller el pollito is out today | 17:01 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, I though -b also loaded more stuff | 17:01 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: yes, it's fixed, just not HApproved yet | 17:01 |
| bfiller | sergiusens: ok | 17:01 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: nope, it wipes everything... I mean everything | 17:01 |
| sforshee | mfisch, you mean something along the lines of "don't modify activity_timer directly; use this function"? | 17:01 |
| mfisch | yes, I think so | 17:01 |
| pmcgowan | sergiusens, I mean it then reloads more than just the system and ubuntu zips | 17:02 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/no_validate_bootstrap/+merge/165589 | 17:02 |
| sergiusens | pmcgowan: it doesn't use zips, it uses the .img... only uses the zip for the ubuntu side | 17:02 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: care to review btw https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/no_validate_bootstrap/+merge/165589 | 17:02 |
| mayank | i am unable to install ubuntu-sdk | 17:07 |
| mayank | its howing me error packages have unmet dependencies what is the solution | 17:07 |
| pmcgowan | mayank, you probably need to include a ppa to get the latest qt version | 17:08 |
| mayank | i am unable to install ubuntu-sdk its showing me error packages have unmet dependencies does anyone knows the solution ? | 17:08 |
| mayank | pmcgowan, i tried to install qtcreater but it is also showing me the same error unmet dependencies | 17:09 |
| pmcgowan | mayank, try adding https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper | 17:09 |
| pmcgowan | do apt-get update;apt-get-distupgrade | 17:09 |
| mayank | pmcgowan checking | 17:10 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, we need to update the wiki docs if this is the case ^^ | 17:10 |
| Dummies_freelanc | hello | 17:11 |
| bfiller | sergiusens: is king of venezuela here today? | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | mayank: what release of Ubuntu are you running? | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | pmcgowan: wiki docs or developer.u.c docs? | 17:13 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, developer | 17:13 |
| pmcgowan | sdk instructions | 17:14 |
| mayank | pmcgowan, error again "W: Failed to fetch http://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages 301 Moved Permanently" | 17:14 |
| pmcgowan | ah | 17:15 |
| pmcgowan | mayank, sorry once sec | 17:15 |
| pmcgowan | mayank, are you running 13.04? | 17:15 |
| mayank | nope 12.10 | 17:15 |
| pmcgowan | ok | 17:15 |
| mayank | pmcgowan, also note that i am working behind proxy cause my istitute usses proxy | 17:16 |
| pmcgowan | checking | 17:17 |
| mhall119 | pmcgowan: for 12.04 and 12.10 we already instruct them to install the qt5 PPA | 17:17 |
| mhall119 | so something else must be going wrong | 17:18 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, yeah the packages arent there anymore | 17:18 |
| mhall119 | bzoltan: ^^ | 17:18 |
| mpt | tmoenicke (and anyone else): Your feedback is invited on <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LanguageAndText#phone>. :-) | 17:18 |
| bzoltan | mhall119: I am here | 17:18 |
| pmcgowan | bzoltan, whats the source of Qt for quantal users? | 17:19 |
| * bzoltan reading logs | 17:19 | |
| pmcgowan | which PPA now | 17:19 |
| bzoltan | pmcgowan: https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper?field.series_filter=quantal | 17:20 |
| pmcgowan | bzoltan, do you understand the error he got? | 17:21 |
| bzoltan | mayank: did you issue the sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper command? | 17:23 |
| rickspencer3 | \o/ received a call on my Nexus 4 :) | 17:24 |
| bzoltan | rickspencer3: Cool! | 17:24 |
| rickspencer3 | screen is turning itself off on idel too | 17:24 |
| rickspencer3 | big win | 17:24 |
| pmcgowan | bzoltan, they are gone from quantal or were never made https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-team/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=quantal | 17:24 |
| bzoltan | mayank: what is in your sources? Could you pastebin the ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | 17:25 |
| pmcgowan | rickspencer3, yep, and they fixed a wakelock issue that was preventing suspend | 17:25 |
| mayank | pmcgowan, sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper was giving me error "Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection. " so i have used sudo add-apt-repository 'http://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper' | 17:26 |
| sergiusens | bfiller: yaeh, he was | 17:27 |
| sergiusens | bfiller: it's lunch time though, and mine ended a bit back... | 17:27 |
| * sergiusens is on and off due to compiz crashes in saucy | 17:27 | |
| mayank | bzoltan, udo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper was giving me error "Cannot access PPA (https://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper) to get PPA information, please check your internet connection. " so i have used sudo add-apt-repository 'http://launchpad.net/api/1.0/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper' | 17:28 |
| rickspencer3 | it looks like turning off the screen when on a call is working, am I understanding that correctly? | 17:28 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, yay! | 17:28 |
| kenvandine | rickspencer3, did you tell the caller you were on an ubuntu phone? | 17:29 |
| kenvandine | :-D | 17:29 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, since it was my wife, she knew as much ;) | 17:29 |
| kenvandine | haha | 17:29 |
| * kenvandine needs to get a nexus | 17:29 | |
| kenvandine | and do some dogfooding | 17:29 |
| sergiusens | kenvandine: nexus is too broad of a word ;-) | 17:29 |
| kenvandine | some supported phone to run ubuntu on :) | 17:30 |
| sergiusens | kenvandine: :-D | 17:30 |
| bzoltan | mayank: the first command should just work. | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | galaxy nexus or nexus 4 | 17:30 |
| rickspencer3 | nexus 4 | 17:30 |
| mayank | bzoltan, http://pastebin.com/zbaLjwYJ | 17:30 |
| sergiusens | rickspencer3: I think the screen off while on call depends on some sensor work | 17:30 |
| kenvandine | i did some looking for a used galaxy nexus, no luck yet | 17:30 |
| * sergiusens is on a maguro aka Nexus 3 aka Galaxy Nexus | 17:31 | |
| kenvandine | not sure i can convince the wife to let me buy a new one | 17:31 |
| kenvandine | sergiusens, like it? | 17:31 |
| rickspencer3 | kenvandine, yeah, I had a hard time finding one, and it wasn't significantly less than a new Nexus 4 : | 17:31 |
| bzoltan | mayank: OK, so you do not have the qt5-proper there.. you should | 17:31 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 17:31 |
| sergiusens | kenvandine: well, my screen is brunt out from when I was testing battery draining with the camera app open... but all in all it's good | 17:31 |
| tmoenicke | mpt: cool thx, will do | 17:32 |
| pmcgowan | mayank, looks like the packages for 12.10 are not built yet, but they are in ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta-proper if you wanted to try, or you could try again monday | 17:32 |
| mayank | bzoltan, yeah how to get it thee i dont why first command is not working | 17:32 |
| kenvandine | sergiusens, i think i'd prefer the galaxy nexus, but hard to find one for much less than a new galaxy 4 | 17:33 |
| bzoltan | mayank: It could be your network | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | nexus 4 | 17:33 |
| mayank | pmcgowan, ok as you say | 17:33 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: I think the device might be trying to suspend automatically even when you're in a call | 17:33 |
| rsalveti | so that's why the screen might be blank after a few seconds | 17:34 |
| pmcgowan | mayank, can you run now without the latest? | 17:34 |
| kenvandine | eventually she'll get tired of me talking about it :) | 17:34 |
| rsalveti | the proximity sensor stuff is not yet in place | 17:34 |
| bzoltan | mayank: the way you tried to add the PPA is something I have never seen :) I do not say it is wrong... but I do not know what should it do | 17:34 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: hmm... might be, but my face is providing an input event all the time ;-) | 17:34 |
| mayank | bzoltan, is it because i am behind proxy cause i am having 8 mbps connection | 17:34 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: so in practical terms, it isn't ;-) | 17:34 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: right, in that case it's not going to suspend :-) | 17:34 |
| mayank | bzoltan, ok i will then try some other way :) | 17:35 |
| bzoltan | mayank: I guess you have the /etc/apt/apt.conf with Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user:pass@proxy:port/" | 17:35 |
| mayank | bzoltan, yeep i configured that | 17:35 |
| bzoltan | mayank: what the apt-cache policy libqt5core5 tells? | 17:37 |
| mayank | bzoltan, libqt5core5: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: | 17:38 |
| bzoltan | mayank: well... you do not have the PPA configured for sure | 17:39 |
| mayank | bzoltan, i see i will check | 17:39 |
| bzoltan | mayank: do you see this page from your browser https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-proper ? | 17:40 |
| bzoltan | mayank: you could try the manual way.. open the /etc/apt/sources.list in an editor | 17:41 |
| bzoltan | mayank: add this line there -> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper/ubuntu quantal main | 17:41 |
| mayank | bzoltan, yeep i saw that page | 17:42 |
| bzoltan | mayank: and do this -> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 179518B2 | 17:42 |
| bzoltan | mayank: and after that sudo apt-get update | 17:42 |
| bzoltan | mayank: that is what add-apt-repository does | 17:43 |
| mayank | bzoltan, thanx :) i am checking | 17:43 |
| bzoltan | mayank: please ping me if you can confirm that it works or if it does not work... we can proceed from that :) the next step will be to check if that PPA can provide you all the packages you need | 17:44 |
| mayank | bzoltan, sure | 17:46 |
| mayank | :) | 17:46 |
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| pmcgowan | mhall119, ping | 17:59 |
| mhall119 | pmcgowan: pong | 18:00 |
| altker128 | Hi all. | 18:00 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, I made a topic to track the core apps, but since they target their own series I dont think it will work | 18:01 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, that is not show up o the main tracker | 18:01 |
| altker128 | I know there' | 18:01 |
| altker128 | I know there's Ubuntu Phone and also Ubuntu for Android. Regarding Ubuntu Phone, is the plan to have things like CalDAV/CardDAV support out of box? | 18:02 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, I don't recall any reference to CalDAV as a requirement | 18:03 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, although calendar bp was already showing up before I changed things I think | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | that said ... if someone were to implement it, I'm sure it would be considered | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | Ubuntu is an Open Source project, after all | 18:03 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, why do you ask? | 18:03 |
| altker128 | rickspencer3: Was there a plan for calendar / address book synchronization anywhere? | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, I believe so ... I don't have the details on my finger tips | 18:04 |
| rickspencer3 | for now we are working on address book importing as a first step | 18:04 |
| altker128 | rickspencer3: Who is the owner of calendar/addressbook, etc? | 18:05 |
| mhall119 | pmcgowan: I'm out (on my sadly not Ubuntu phone), I will check on those nps when I get back | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, the apps team is making the addressbook app | 18:05 |
| pmcgowan | mhall119, ok, I think thats the issue, needs to target saucy | 18:05 |
| rickspencer3 | bfiller, is the engineering manager | 18:06 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: hey... updated demo assets MR | 18:06 |
| altker128 | rickspencer3: OK, I'd be interested in chatting with him briefly :) | 18:06 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: cool | 18:06 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, there is a mailing list as well | 18:06 |
| mhall119 | altker128: calendar is part of core apps, being developed by community developers | 18:06 |
| altker128 | mhall119: I understand. I was hoping there would be some project architecture or set of specs | 18:07 |
| pmcgowan | altker128, mhall119 although the backend work is also done by bills team yes? | 18:07 |
| mhall119 | I believe so, yes | 18:07 |
| pmcgowan | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/appdev-1305-calendaring | 18:07 |
| pmcgowan | was just looking there | 18:07 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, you just missed UDS! would have been a good time to discuss | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | though it's never too late to contribute :) | 18:08 |
| altker128 | What is UDS? | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | altker128, Ubuntu Developer Summit | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | we do it (now) every 3 months | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | and we use Google Hangouts to discuss and plan | 18:08 |
| rickspencer3 | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/ | 18:09 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: live build updated with readded mocks, but let me test something before you approve that... want to see if I can get rid of webapps-demo with no harm | 18:10 |
| altker128 | rickspencer3: OK, I'd definitely be interested in joining. | 18:11 |
| altker128 | rickspencer3: Calendar/contacts/todo is something I've been paying attention to for a long time :) | 18:11 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: happroved https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/no_validate_bootstrap/+merge/165589 | 18:11 |
| jcastro | hey so random idea; has anyone thought of grabbing the contact sync workaround and so on, and wrapping it in a script so when we phablet-flash maybe we can just prompt the user for their gmail and it would sync over some initial data? | 18:13 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: you did test it, right? | 18:13 |
| sergiusens | ;-) | 18:13 |
| jcastro | grab the contact/calendar, maybe preseed in some videos and pics from the other google services | 18:14 |
| sergiusens | jcastro: that's planned, yes | 18:14 |
| sergiusens | well, the contacts part | 18:14 |
| mayank | bzoltan, yes it works :) please check http://pastebin.com/YVs1ihqT | 18:14 |
| jcastro | ooh, excellent! | 18:14 |
| bzoltan | mayank: good job :) now sudo add-apt-repository ppa:canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-proper && sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk | 18:15 |
| mayank | bzoltan, already did | 18:16 |
| mayank | :) | 18:16 |
| altker128 | So another question, is there anyone in here who works on Ubuntu for Android? | 18:16 |
| bzoltan | mayank: Even better :) | 18:16 |
| mayank | bzoltan, thanx very much | 18:16 |
| mayank | :) | 18:16 |
| bzoltan | mayank: no problem feel free to ping me if you need assistance ... in worst case I am in sleep (UTC+3) or parenting :) | 18:17 |
| mayank | bzoltan, sure :) | 18:17 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: sure, I always test before approving ;-) | 18:20 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: just making sure the, _it's friday_ doesn't get the best of you :-) | 18:20 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: haha, sure | 18:20 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: sforshee: seems that if the shell takes more than 30 seconds to show itself, the device will be suspended before the interface is up | 18:24 |
| rsalveti | right? | 18:24 |
| sforshee | rsalveti, that sounds likely | 18:24 |
| rtg | rsalveti, abootimg -u /dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/LNX -k vmlinuz-3.1.10-2-grouper | 18:26 |
| rtg | /dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name/LNX: No such file or directory | 18:26 |
| rsalveti | rtg: hm, what do you have in /dev/block/platform? | 18:27 |
| sforshee | rsalveti, I think ultimately the activity timeout will live in the shell or system compositor, which will be able to handle that better | 18:27 |
| rtg | root@android:/dev/block/platform/sdhci-tegra.3/by-name # ls -l | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 APP -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p3 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 CAC -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p4 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 LNX -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 MDA -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p8 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 MSC -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p5 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 PER -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p7 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 SOS -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 UDA -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p9 | 18:27 |
| rtg | lrwxrwxrwx root root 2000-01-02 20:45 USP -> /dev/block/mmcblk0p6 | 18:27 |
| rtg | it appears correct | 18:27 |
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| rsalveti | weird, does it work if you use /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 directly? | 18:28 |
| rsalveti | sforshee: right, makes sense | 18:29 |
| rtg | rsalveti, same result | 18:29 |
| rsalveti | that makes no sense | 18:30 |
| altker128 | Hi, sorry to ask this question again: Anyone here work on Ubuntu for Android? I was curious if one can run Firefox on a device (like N4) and NOT be docked | 18:30 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: can you do a quick test with your nexus 7? | 18:30 |
| rsalveti | rtg: did you use adb shell; ubuntu_chroot shell to get inside the container or did you use ssh? | 18:31 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: there's something wrong with that shell release | 18:31 |
| rtg | rsalveti, I can get into the shell using 'adb shell', but I'm running abootimg from the PC command line (like phablet-flash) | 18:32 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: the launcher autoscrolls up if the app on the top is open | 18:32 |
| rtg | is it run from within the ubuntu chroot ? | 18:32 |
| rsalveti | rtg: oh, you need to run that inside the device | 18:32 |
| rtg | rsalveti, ok. where do you copy vmlinuz so that the chroot can see it ? | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | rtg: can be anywhere that you have write access, I just did 'adb push vmlinuz /data/ubuntu/tmp/' | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | then adb shell; ubuntu_chroot shell; abootimg -u <> /tmp/vmlinuz' | 18:33 |
| rtg | rsalveti, I assume one has to install abootimg ? it doesn't appear to be in the chroot. | 18:33 |
| rsalveti | rtg: yeah, it's not installed by default yet | 18:34 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: so if calendar-app, notepad-app or weather-app are open, it scrolls up | 18:34 |
| rtg | rsalveti, ok, that works better. | 18:35 |
| rsalveti | rtg: great | 18:36 |
| rtg | rsalveti, ship it! | 18:37 |
| rtg | uname -a | 18:37 |
| rtg | Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.1.10-2-grouper #3-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Tue May 21 20:22:51 UTC 2013 armv7l GNU/Linux | 18:37 |
| rsalveti | rtg: awesome, now see if the device is working the same way as with the other kernel | 18:37 |
| rsalveti | check if you can open the apps, use network and such | 18:37 |
| rtg | it seems to be. have wi-fi | 18:37 |
| rsalveti | sound, camera and video decode are all broken, so that's expected | 18:37 |
| rsalveti | rtg: can you use the browser? | 18:37 |
| rtg | rsalveti, it kind of works, but its behaving weirdly | 18:41 |
| rsalveti | rtg: what is the behavior? | 18:41 |
| rtg | rsalveti, actually, it doesn't appear that anything is running quite right. would that be binder problems ? orwakelock ? | 18:43 |
| rsalveti | yeah, last I tested I got some weird binder related crashes | 18:43 |
| rsalveti | rtg: can you paste the 'adb logcat' output? | 18:43 |
| rsalveti | let me quickly compare the configs | 18:44 |
| rtg | rsalveti, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~rtg/logcat.txt | 18:46 |
| rsalveti | rtg: and the diff between the original and the one from the package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5697879/ | 18:48 |
| rsalveti | hm, logcat seems fine | 18:49 |
| rsalveti | there's one crash during boot, but that's a known issue | 18:49 |
| rtg | rsalveti, on a side note, I wonder if CC_OPTIMIZE_FOR_SIZE is part of our compiler problem ? | 18:49 |
| rsalveti | yeah, might be related | 18:50 |
| rsalveti | -CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq" | 18:50 |
| rsalveti | +CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="noop" | 18:50 |
| rsalveti | why did we change it to noop? | 18:50 |
| rsalveti | there's +CONFIG_CC_STACKPROTECTOR=y as well | 18:50 |
| rtg | should be deadline I thought ? | 18:51 |
| rsalveti | probably, but android is using cfq, might be they never actually optimized that | 18:52 |
| rtg | ok. what about CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE_ENABLE_VERBOSE ? | 18:52 |
| rsalveti | let me check what is that, but in general we want all the android options enabled by default as well | 18:52 |
| rsalveti | we usually just disable the paranoid network | 18:53 |
| rtg | CONFIG_STRICT_DEVMEM is different | 18:53 |
| rsalveti | indeed | 18:54 |
| rtg | rsalveti, ok, I gotta bug out. I'll start working through this list on Tuesday (Mon holiday) | 18:54 |
| rsalveti | rtg: cool, sounds good | 18:55 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, indeed | 19:04 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, can we hold the release until Monday? | 19:05 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: I'm thinking it's the commit for the launcher simplification | 19:05 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: ack | 19:05 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, yeah for sure | 19:05 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, we have more of a rewrite of the Launcher in store | 19:05 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, so that will get fixed automagically | 19:05 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: all that on Monday? | 19:06 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, well, no, we'll probably fix that issue for Monday | 19:06 |
| * sergiusens thinks Monday is going to be a D day :-P | 19:06 | |
| sergiusens | ah | 19:06 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: cause ricmm wanted to land the platform api refactor on Monday ;-) | 19:06 |
| Saviq | sergiusens, but soon thereafter mzanetti has a rewrite in place | 19:06 |
| sergiusens | Saviq: yeah, he told me he had the paper thing working | 19:07 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: seems we should be good to happrove the build config | 19:07 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: ok, cool | 19:08 |
| rsalveti | I'm building the demo-assets now, should get to that in a few | 19:08 |
| rsalveti | and then platform-api | 19:08 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: ack... I'm moving on to debug this SMS issue | 19:09 |
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| rsalveti | sergiusens: ok | 19:10 |
| moocow | So, my Nook is dead. Charger will not charge and I tried everyone in the house. Do you think there is enough intrest in Ubuntu Touch to warrent getting a new one at sixty some on glyde, or should I let sleeping dogs lie? | 19:10 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: cloning demo-assets is not cool | 19:16 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: happroved the demo-assets, now we just need to wait it to land in the ppa | 19:32 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: so we can approve the live-build one and start a new build | 19:32 |
| rsalveti | and test all the changes | 19:33 |
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| mhall119 | Clock team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting | 19:34 |
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| sergiusens | rsalveti: yeah! | 19:41 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: sorry, was trying to find an old phone that's unlocked to test the sim stuff :-P | 19:41 |
| sergiusens | apparently it can't connect to the network with my test chip | 19:42 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: which device are you using? | 19:45 |
| sergiusens | maguro with _my_ chip on carrier 1 ... can't get _my old_ chip to work on my note with carrier 2.... and just got and old phone out of the closet where this doesn't work either | 19:46 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: maybe it was disabled by the carrier? | 19:49 |
| rsalveti | here if I don't turn it up for 1-2 months it's disabled by the carrier | 19:50 |
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| mhall119 | YouTube app team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting | 19:57 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: chip works fine... phone doesn't... and maybe... it may have an IMEI of all zeroes and now they blacklist those | 19:59 |
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| mhall119 | Terminal app team meeting in #ubuntu-touch-meeting | 20:31 |
| mhall119 | ZDmitry: ^ | 20:31 |
| ZDmitry | mhall119, done | 20:32 |
| plasma_ | is there an ubuntu-touch roadmap I can see? | 20:37 |
| mhall119 | plasma_: what specifically are you interested in? | 20:37 |
| mhall119 | "Ubuntu Touch" encomasses a lot of things | 20:37 |
| plasma_ | mhall119, basically the developers' plans and timeframe for bringing it into, say, a beta state | 20:38 |
| plasma_ | the release notes give me a good idea of what's supported and not supported | 20:38 |
| plasma_ | but not so much when it'll be supported | 20:38 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: interesting | 20:38 |
| mhall119 | plasma_: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-s/ has pretty much all the information, but it's also a *lot* of information | 20:39 |
| plasma_ | ah, thanks! I hadn't found that | 20:39 |
| plasma_ | I'm a developer, but I'm interested mostly from a consumer perspective. I'm not a huge fan of Android or iOS | 20:39 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: anyways... seems to be on the ofono side | 20:44 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: have the log? | 20:45 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: might read on how to decode the PDU :-) | 20:45 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: it's the same one I logged 6+ months ago ;-) | 20:45 |
| rsalveti | right, indeed, we're not yet supporting everything here | 20:45 |
| rsalveti | you're kind of special :-) | 20:46 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: this is line that says it all May 24 20:19:39 ubuntu-phablet ofonod[464]: Unable to decode PDU | 20:46 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: the decoded PDU is the same on the ril side, so I'm guessing that that is working | 20:46 |
| rsalveti | yeah, our code just need to learn how to decode that | 20:47 |
| mfisch | mhall119: you're getting your setting today | 20:47 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: what is funny though, is that if I insert my working chip, it's decoded perfectly... but I see D/RILC ( 126): [0081]< SMS_ACKNOWLEDGE fails by E_GENERIC_FAILURE | 20:47 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: which I see successfully working on the chip that doesn't work with ofono | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | mfisch: \o/ | 20:47 |
| mhall119 | mfisch: so I can read moderately sized articles without it turning off on me | 20:48 |
| rsalveti | that weird | 20:48 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: well for starters, the PDU has a different header ;-) | 20:48 |
| mfisch | when lead developer Michael Hall asks, we listen | 20:48 |
| mhall119 | darn straight :) | 20:48 |
| * mhall119 needs a shirt that just says "Lead Developer" in huge letters | 20:49 | |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: merge job is setup | 21:01 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: and merged | 21:01 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: cool | 21:02 |
| sergiusens | rsalveti: triggering build now | 21:02 |
| rsalveti | sergiusens: awesome, thanks | 21:03 |
| user82 | hi. about spotify again. is it planned for ubuntu touch or just in the design as demo logo? | 21:43 |
| rickspencer3 | anyone know why I am getting this when I ssh into my phone from QtCreator? | 21:47 |
| rickspencer3 | bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Invalid argument | 21:47 |
| rickspencer3 | bash: no job control in this shell | 21:47 |
| sergiusens | rickspencer3: not using qtcreator I can guess it's because you are sshing from a shell and not a real terminal | 21:51 |
| sergiusens | just a guess | 21:51 |
| rickspencer3 | sergiusens, ah, that makes sense | 21:51 |
| rickspencer3 | thought it used to work fine | 21:52 |
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| Guest12844 | Hit here. Can i install ubuntu on my phone with mtk6589 processos ? | 22:48 |
| mhall119 | rickspencer3: did you see this? https://plus.google.com/u/0/112080410205530751762/posts/YBQkdoi532i | 23:29 |
| rickspencer3 | hey mhall119 | 23:40 |
| * rickspencer3 loks | 23:40 | |
| rickspencer3 | mhall119, wow | 23:41 |
| rickspencer3 | he really knows what he is doing | 23:41 |
| rickspencer3 | I didn't even know about beginPath() | 23:42 |
| rickspencer3 | that's soooo much better than InkCanvas | 23:42 |
| rickspencer3 | I still think InKCanvas would be a good component, but he knew how to implement it | 23:42 |
| rickspencer3 | mhall119, it's another example of QML being *easier* than I thought it was | 23:45 |
| rickspencer3 | I spent a huge amount of effort doing something the hard way, because that's how you do it in every other framework I've used | 23:46 |
| kroq-gar78 | hello all. I think someone's asked this question before, but I can't seem to find it. I've installed "ubuntu-sdk" and "notepad-qml" from the PPA, but when I go to Qt Creator -> new -> Projects, I don't see "Ubuntu" anywhere. can someone help? also, sorry if this is the wrong channel ;) | 23:49 |
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