[07:08] <diplo> Morning all
[07:14] <knightwise> hey diplo
[07:14] <knightwise> how are you today
[07:15] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, yourself ?
[07:17] <dwatkins> ali1234: there's always youtube downloader on userscripts, of course
[07:20] <ali1234> i've seen it before anyway
[07:20] <ali1234> are steam or skype available on raring yet?
[07:21] <ali1234> ah steam is up now. cool
[07:21] <ali1234> oh wait, no it isn't
[07:25] <ali1234> h it looks like the problem is there is no longer a 64 bit package
[07:25] <dwatkins> I was using Steam a couple days ago on 64-bit Raring.
[07:26] <dwatkins> I think it mostly uses 32-bit packages, unless I'm missing the existence of a "force 64-bit" option somewhere.
[07:26] <ali1234> it won't show in software center unless you add the partner repo by hand
[07:26] <ali1234> same for skype
[07:27] <dwatkins> ah ok, that'll be why I saw 'i386' in the diag output.
[07:27] <ali1234> if you had steam installed thru software center on 12.10 you will see "steam (64 bit)" in "software previously purchased" but you won't be able to install it because it is now just "steam"
[07:27] <dwatkins> ali1234: that video appears to be 11:57 long on my browser
[07:27] <ali1234> which is a different package which won't show up until after you maually add the partner repo
[07:28] <ali1234> "Steam needs to install these additional packages:
[07:28] <ali1234> 	libgl1-mesa-dri:i386, libgl1-mesa-glx:i386, libc6:i386"
[07:28] <ali1234> ok, why couldn't the package manager do it?
[07:29] <dwatkins> I wonder that, perhaps they wanted complete control of the packages installed.
[07:30] <ali1234> it installs them from the package manager anyway
[07:30] <ali1234> along with a load of other i386 stuff
[07:30] <ali1234> i think more likely they are just incompetent
[07:31] <dwatkins> it always worries me when people reinvent the wheel
[07:31] <ali1234> "to install skype these packages must be removed: libjack0 libjack-dev"
[07:31] <dwatkins> at least it uses package manager, though
[07:31] <AlanBell> it will probably move to click packages at some point
[07:32] <AlanBell> which will break it again I imagine
[07:33] <AlanBell> it is a shame that the stuff in the partner repo has always been dodgy to use, it should be flagship software really
[07:33] <ali1234> yeah
[07:34] <ali1234> well, it's not like the stuff that is installed by default is any better
[07:35] <ali1234> why does steam make a "bing bong" noise when you minimize it?
[07:35] <AlanBell> stuff in the repos tends to stay there from release to release and not put you in a world of pain when it goes away
[07:36] <ali1234> lol
[07:36] <ali1234> cos things never go away from ubuntu right?
[07:36] <AlanBell> oh, things do go away, sure,
[07:36] <AlanBell> but they don't go away by default every release
[07:36] <ali1234> cool i has portal
[07:37] <AlanBell> partner repo is normally empty at the start of each release, no testing pre-release
[07:37] <AlanBell> you only find out if software is coming back when it comes back, if it does
[07:37] <ali1234> and by the end of the release it has... identical deb files to what it had in the previous release
[07:38] <ali1234> what is "chivalry: medieval warfare 2 d" and why is it on my steam account?
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: 2d = 2 days
[07:39] <ali1234> oh it is a free weekend thing
[07:39] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: it's a "free weekend"
[07:39] <ali1234> i thought it was a 3d game
[07:39] <ali1234> steam is too confusing
[07:39] <AlanBell> skype is in saucy parter repo already which is good
[07:39] <ali1234> nobody will ever use this it is much too hard
[07:41] <ali1234> oh it's the "turtle mode" game
[07:41] <ali1234> i thought i recognized the name
[07:45] <ali1234> it crashed. nice
[07:51] <ali1234> this is rubbish, it crashes constantly
[07:56] <ali1234> /home/al/.local/share/Steam/steam.sh: line 704: 14621 Illegal instruction     (core dumped) $STEAM_DEBUGGER "$STEAMROOT/$PLATFORM/$STEAMEXE" "$@"
[07:56] <MartijnVdS> steam crashes? wow
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> Never had that.
[08:02] <AlanBell> really should have done that do-release-upgrade in byobu or something
[08:03] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: known issue too
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: doesn't it start its own screen anymore?
[08:03] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it used to start at least its own sshd.. and I think even its own screen
[08:03] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: to fix it you have to manually download 32 bit flash from adobe and uncompress it into a directory that doesn't exist until you create it
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: ah.. I just get "Flash not available" in steam
[08:04] <ali1234> yeah they have "fixed" that now
[08:04] <ali1234> now it tries to use HTML5
[08:04] <ali1234> and that causes it to instacrash
[08:05] <ali1234> i must say that the whole steam UI is shockingly bad
[08:05] <ali1234> just goes to show that good UI design counts for nothing in the end
[08:05] <ali1234> but neither does stable working software
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> does anyone have experience with this? http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Cooling-Heatsink-Radiator/dp/B009SJR3GS
[08:07] <MartijnVdS> (or similar)
[08:11] <ali1234> i'm kind of tempted to get X3: terran conflict
[08:11] <ali1234> bit pricey though
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> X³
[08:12] <ali1234> yeah that one
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> don't know it.. I have the latests XCom though 8-)
[08:12] <ali1234> yeah ... no
[08:13] <ali1234> i wish they would accept bitcoins
[08:13] <ali1234> i would buy this game right now if they did
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> you can have Azelphur buy & gift it for you ;)
[08:14] <ali1234> that is a fantastic idea
[08:15] <ali1234> X3 looks like a single player version of EVE. which is a multiplayer version of elite.
[08:15] <ali1234> i could never get it to work though
[08:15] <ali1234> in wine
[08:19] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Friday and happy Tiara Day!  :-D (No I am not wearing a tiara)
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: you should, really
[08:20] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, I've told you before, only on Saturday nights.
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Pleaaaaase?
[08:21] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, no, Jasmine only comes out at weekends.
[08:21] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Friday night doesn't count as the weekend/
[08:21] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: yeah, it does set up another sshd, not sure about the screen session
[08:21] <AlanBell> I just didn't fancy unplugging at the grub stage of the process
[08:23] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS, it's only Friday morning!  I have a whole day of exciting, scary stuff to do before the weekend! ;)
[09:23] <bpisti> hi, if anyone is here, i would like to get some help with ubuntu 12.04
[09:24] <bpisti> i cannot access any files after reinstall
[09:26] <czajkowski> bpisti: what errors are you seeing what have you done ?
[09:26] <bpisti> well, lightdm cannot log in, it push me back to login screen
[09:27] <bpisti> my home is in separate partition, it downgraded from 13.04 because the laptop is old
[09:27] <AlanBell> does a guest login work?
[09:27] <bpisti> i'm currently root, using gdm to log in, and yes, guest worked
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> anything in your ~/.xsession-errors?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> and/or /var/log/lightdm/*
[09:30] <knightwise> ok , silly question but .. if I put the latest build of Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4 ... whats gonna work so far ?
[09:30] <bpisti> well, no xerrors, but lightdm log has something with SIGTERM
[09:30] <knightwise> Gmail ? Internet access ? twitter ? Facebook ?
[09:32] <czajkowski> knightwise: you following rick spencers posts
[09:32] <czajkowski> they're blogging what is currently working
[09:32] <knightwise> ah , i'll google him
[09:33] <knightwise> or do you mean on Google+ ?
[09:34] <czajkowski> http://theravingrick.blogspot.co.uk/
[09:35] <knightwise> thanx czajkowski !
[09:37] <MooDoo> helolo all
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: trolololo to you too, MooDoo ;)
[09:37] <MooDoo> :)
[09:38] <czajkowski> knightwise: np
[09:50] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:50] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[09:51] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> hey, cool new feature in Chrome
[09:52] <bpisti> greetings! i have the home in a separate partition and i'm about to reinstall 12.04, but how will it recognize it?
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> 3rd party iframes loaded over https:// get an URL bar inside the page
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: you can select it in the installer, if you choose manual partitioning
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: make sure you don't set it to 'format partition', just 'use partition'!
[09:53] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: why is that a cool feature?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: Some web shops use an external payment processor in an iframe
[09:54] <bpisti> i understand this part, but the last install i put the same machine name, username, and i didn't have access to my files
[09:54] <AlanBell> ah, so you can see where it is coming from, I get it now
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: which should be secure, but before, you could never check (because you couldn't see the iframe URL and/or access its certificate info easily)
[09:55] <AlanBell> bpisti: were you using encrypted home?
[09:55] <AlanBell> or is it that the UID has changed?
[09:55] <bpisti> i'm not sure, but i would say no
[09:55] <bpisti> i don't think
[09:56] <AlanBell> so if you do ls -lh /homepartition/bpisti does it show the owner or 1003 or something
[09:56] <bpisti> i have saves, and as root i can copy stuff, but then the advantege is lost
[09:56] <bpisti> yes, yes
[09:56] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: Does it show the owner's username, or "1003"?
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: "yes" is not a useful answer here ;)
[09:57] <bpisti> sorry, it's showing "1000" for owner username
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: is this from the installer, or from the installed system?
[09:58] <bpisti> i had to go on liveCD, because i couldn't log in, even as root... but it was the same situation as now
[09:59] <bpisti> so if i have to reinstall again, i would like to do it good, because i'm already behind schedule :D
[10:03] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:03] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:08] <mungbean> bpisti: do ls -l /home
[10:09] <mungbean> and paste the output
[10:11] <bpisti> i'm on a live cd, so the installed /home looks like this: drwxrwxrwx 7 1000 1000     4096 May 23 10:56 Desktop
[10:11] <bpisti> but if i were on the installed ubuntu, it would look just like this
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> 777? that's not good.
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> Have you run "chmod" on it?
[10:13] <mungbean> didi you run the command exactly?
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: on the live CD, /home isn't the installed /home
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> but the "live-cd /home"
[10:15] <mungbean> ok so the partition may not even be mounted
[10:17] <bpisti> yes, i tried to access the files, but there are still problems (like firefox, nautilus, etc.)
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> bpisti: what _exactly_ did you do to access the files?
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> Which commands did you type, or which graphical programs did you use (and how)
[10:18] <bpisti> i logged in as root
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> how?
[10:18] <bpisti> and chown pisti:pisti *
[10:19] <bpisti> alt+f2
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> On the live CD? On the installed system? How?
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> you can't log in as root, there is no root password on Ubuntu systems
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> well you can if you set one, but you should never do that because it's unsafe
[10:19] <bpisti> on the installed, and i set it.. otherwise i couldn't use it
[10:20] <bpisti> it's a home laptop, no sharing
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> still
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> root password = no-no
[10:20] <bpisti> i understand it, but i couldn't do anything, even if i managed to log in
[10:24] <bpisti> let's say i reinstall, because it's relative fast. will i run into the same problem, or i can use the partition for good?
[10:25] <SuperMatt> I'm still waiting for the day that my boss decides that we don't need root access. All we all need is sudo and our keys
[10:26] <SuperMatt> but all the while debian requests a root password when you set it up, I don't think he'll see it that way
[10:26] <AlanBell> bpisti: chown doesn't do recursive by default
[10:27] <bpisti> even with the -R?
[10:27] <AlanBell> with the -R it does :)
[10:27] <AlanBell> 11:18 < bpisti> and chown pisti:pisti *
[10:27] <AlanBell> ^ that won't though
[10:27] <bpisti> yes, google helped me find out that
[10:27] <AlanBell> also grep pisti /etc/passwd
[10:28] <AlanBell> that will show you your UID
[10:28] <AlanBell> probably 1000
[10:29] <bpisti> yes
[10:29] <bpisti> it is
[10:42] <ali1234> or echo $UID
[10:44] <ali1234> when ls -l shows number instead of username it means there is no user with that uid
[10:47] <bpisti> if i click in the installer on Erase ubi 12.04, that will delete the files on the separated home, or just on the / ?
[11:03] <bpisti> anyway i went to manual, unchecked formatting, maybe it will work... thanks for the help, have a good day everyone!
[11:04] <bpisti> i'm working on a game, here you can see some dev videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/bialkoistvan
[13:11] <samuel__> hello ubuntu-uk long time no speak!
[13:12] <SuperMatt> hello
[13:13] <samuel__> hi supermatt
[13:13] <samuel__> whats your excuse for being here at 2 in the afternoon? :D
[13:14] <SuperMatt> I'm at work
[13:14] <samuel__> ah, i remember when i used to come here at work
[13:15] <samuel__> do you use ubuntu at work?
[13:15] <samuel__> or someotherlinux?
[13:16] <SuperMatt> I use ubuntu at work, yes
[13:16] <samuel__> ahhh lucky you, my new work has too much microsoft centric stuff for me to switch over yet
[13:17] <samuel__> i've only been there 5 months :D
[13:17] <samuel__> dont feel like its a good time to dick around with my workstation yet
[14:37] <Myrtti> I clearly need more tea to parse what people write on Google+ at the moment
[14:37] <AndreaA> hello
[14:38] <AndreaA> I'm experiencing some problems while trying to upgrade to Ubuntu Precise Pangolin
[14:38] <AndreaA> can anyone please help me?
[14:39] <SuperMatt> what issues are you experiencing?
[14:41] <AndreaA> hey SuperMatt, thank you for answering :). So, I tried to upgrade yesterday and my laptop lost its power in the middle of it. Now I'm getting the "recovery mode" window, and when I go to "Resume Normal boot" it says that version "GLIBC_2.14" is not found
[14:41] <SuperMatt> ouch S:
[14:42] <MooDoo> would a sudo apt-get -f install complete the upgrade?
[14:42] <SuperMatt> ok, try this:
[14:42] <AndreaA> it also says that "CONTROL-D will terminate this shell and reboot the system"
[14:42] <SuperMatt> go to recovery mode and select the option that drops you to root shell
[14:42] <SuperMatt> from there, run mount and read what device is on /
[14:43] <SuperMatt> skip that step actually
[14:43] <SuperMatt> run mount -o remount,rw /
[14:43] <SuperMatt> and then run apt-get -f install
[14:43] <SuperMatt> that *might* work
[14:43] <SuperMatt> but it was a little silly of you to upgrade without pluggin in!
[14:45] <brobostigon> isnt there a warning somewhere, for that?
[14:46] <AndreaA> I will try, thank you SuperMatt and MooDoo. Right now, I downloaded the ISO file on an another computer (the same version, ofc) and attached the USB file, and now it says that "Asking for cache data failed" and "Attached SCSI removable disc". what does that mean?
[14:46] <SuperMatt> I have no idea
[14:47] <brobostigon> first thing. check you dd'd the iso to the usb drive properly.
[14:47] <AndreaA> I did. I downloaded it from here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[14:49] <AndreaA> I tried to type in "sudo apt-get -f install" in terminal and it says this:
[14:49] <AndreaA> "Not using locking for read only lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock"
[14:50] <AlanBell> gulp, that sounds like a messy situation AndreaA
[14:50] <brobostigon> that imples dpkg/apt/aptitude etc is already running and is taking up that file.
[14:50] <AlanBell> do you want to fix what you have, or would it be simpler to do a reinstall without overwriting your home directory?
[14:52] <AndreaA> AlanBell, whatever is possible. I would just like to upgrade to 12.4, and that's it. Now I typed "sudo dpkg --configure -a" like it suggested and it says that it's unable to access dpkg status area: Read-only file system
[14:53] <AlanBell> so do you have stuff in your home directory you want to keep? Now would be a good time to get a backup if you do
[14:53] <brobostigon> i would remount rw, as SuperMatt suggested, and try again.
[14:54]  * SuperMatt nods
[14:54] <SuperMatt> I was gonna say that
[14:54] <SuperMatt> mount -o rw,remount /
[14:54] <brobostigon> but yes, backup asap.
[14:55] <AndreaA> I have some stuff I would like to keep :((. and I don't know how to do a backup... I'm a new user, and never did it with terminal
[14:56] <AlanBell> got a USB memory stick with enough room on it for your stuff?
[14:56] <SuperMatt> what would you back up to?
[14:56] <AndreaA> Alan, yes, it does!
[14:59] <AlanBell> easy way is probably to boot from the USB in live mode
[14:59] <AndreaA> I have some backups that were created before, SuperMatt
[14:59] <AlanBell> and then drag stuff to the USB stick
[14:59] <SuperMatt> ^ this
[14:59] <AndreaA> and how to do that?
[15:02] <MooDoo> AndreaA: do you have an ubuntu live cd?
[15:04] <AndreaA> No, I have Ubuntu on USB
[15:04] <MooDoo> but that's a live usb boot right?
[15:05] <AndreaA> YES
[15:05] <AndreaA> yes, I think it is
[15:05] <MooDoo> beacuase what you could do is boot into a live cd/usb environment and drag and drop all the files you want from your laptop in live mode to the USB stick, then once you're happy you have your files, do a complete re-intall and you'll have your files in the usb
[15:07] <AndreaA> I understand you, but I don't have a clue how to do that. The previous version of Ubuntu I installed from the same USB went fine and nothing like this happened before
[15:11] <AlanBell> if you put the USB in and click the Try Ubuntu button rather than the install ubuntu button it should take you to a desktop
[15:11] <MooDoo> beat me to that
[15:11] <AlanBell> from there you can use the normal file manager to browse to your home directory on the hard drive, and copy, and browse to the USB stick and paste
[15:11] <mungbean> i hate SCOM with a passion. worst software i've used in years
[15:11] <MooDoo> +1
[15:12] <AlanBell> then you can go through the install ubuntu process, and instead of telling it to wipe the disk tell it to do "something else" and give it your existing partitions to install on
[15:13] <AlanBell> if you tell it not to reformat the partitions it should preserve your home directory
[15:13] <AlanBell> however this is a mildly risky area and if you press the wrong button you could end up formatting the disk and wiping your stuff, so  a backup first would be a good thing
[15:17] <AndreaA> AlanBell: well, the trouble is that it doesn't say anything when I put in the USB device... nor "Try Ubuntu" or "Install Ubuntu"... nothing. you know what? I will take a photo of my screen and send it to you, it will be easier.
[15:22] <AndreaA> when I start my laptop (with USB in), I first get this screen: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/404/ublx.png/
[15:22] <MooDoo> AndreaA: that's a normal boot
[15:23] <MooDoo> when you start the laptop as it's doing the bios checks is there an option for a boot menu, probably f1 or f12 or del or something like that.
[15:23] <MooDoo> if you get that grub menu you've gone to far
[15:23] <AndreaA> no, that's the first thing I get when I start it
[15:24] <AndreaA> so I go to recovery mode. Should I do something differently?
[16:06] <diddledan_> microsoft are going to license a halo: the tv series?!
[16:06] <diddledan_> really?
[16:06] <SuperMatt> yes
[16:07] <diddledan_> I'm assuming spielburg isn't director or exec prod, but in fact the lead character
[16:07] <diddledan_> now that I'd watch
[16:08] <diddledan_> I prefer tv to games anyway.. I haven't died once while watching tv but when playing games I'm guaranteed to die at least every 20 minutes
[16:09] <SuperMatt> yes, games are a weird thing
[16:09] <SuperMatt> they're the only medium that stops you pregressing when you can't work out what's going on
[16:20] <diddledan_> I like to be told what's going on - saves everyone the hassle of assuming I'm actually intelligent
[19:20] <first-time-here> hii
[19:20] <first-time-here> how i can solve this error?
[19:20] <first-time-here> http://pastebin.com/aGctH1Uh
[19:23] <dwatkins> first-time-here: To see the supported input formats, use "ffmpeg -formats", according to the manpage.
[19:30] <first-time-here> dwatkins: i get loooong list - what i need to looking for?
[19:31] <AlanBell> first-time-here: v4l2 isn't a video format as such
[19:31] <AlanBell> so, you are trying to restream a camera or something?
[19:46] <makt> evening all
[22:05] <daftykins> ooh my mate is ok with ignoring the GTX 780 from nvidia in favour of sticking to a 680 for his new PC
[22:05] <daftykins> so i may well have a nice PC build soon :D:D
[22:17] <n1md4_> hi.  what does the 'd' and 'c' characters mean in diff?
[22:17] <n1md4_> e.g. 2d1 or 11c10
[22:18] <n1md4_> ..and is there a way to only print the c differences?
[22:20] <daftykins> 'man diff' ?
[22:22] <n1md4_> daftykins: I couldn't find anything useful
[22:24] <daftykins> you're right, doesn't even seem to tell you what the letters mean
[22:24] <daftykins> that's very unimpressive
[22:26] <daftykins> http://www.computerhope.com/unix/udiff.htm
[22:26] <daftykins> that's also a bit non-descript
[22:29] <n1md4_> daftykins: there are 3 characters i can tell, from trial and error, a d and c.  i guess these to be added deleted and common (meaning it starts the same but finishes with a difference)
[22:29] <daftykins> sounds fair
[22:30] <daftykins> you could create two test files to confirm that i guess
[22:30] <n1md4_> my new question then, how to only print added or deleted lines.
[22:30] <n1md4_> .. or how to not print common lines
[22:31] <n1md4_> hmmm http://serverfault.com/questions/470210/how-can-i-get-diff-to-show-only-added-and-deleted-lines-if-diff-cant-do-it
[22:32] <daftykins> uh-oh spaghetti-o's, it's getting dangerously close to regular expression talk
[22:32] <daftykins> oh no wait it is
[22:34] <n1md4_> yeah .. this is going to be an awesome one-liner :P
[22:34] <n1md4_> thanks.
[22:36] <daftykins> n1md4_: hey you did it all ^_^
[23:07] <leolol> anybody here to help me out?
[23:07] <daftykins> ask away
[23:08] <leolol> ok. i installed ubuntu on a ProLiant server (dual xenon 3,6ghz) and it all worked out fine, after loads of trial and error
[23:08] <leolol> but i still face one problem:
[23:09] <daftykins> no coffee making function
[23:09] <daftykins> i know, it gets us all :(
[23:09] <daftykins> sorry, do tell
[23:10] <leolol> once i boot i get a message from my monitor that says: "the current input timing is not supported by the monitor. Please change your input timing to 1920x1200@60hz or any other monitor timing as per the monitor specifcations"
[23:10] <leolol> yeah, coffee :3
[23:10] <leolol> i tried a different monitor, same result
[23:10] <leolol> and without a display it's pretty hard to set up a remote desktop..
[23:11] <leolol> cause i don't even know if it is running
[23:11] <leolol> oh and i tried ubuntu server, ubuntu (12.04)
[23:12] <daftykins> yeah what are you intending on doing with the system? because a server distro on server hardware might be a good idea anyway
[23:12] <daftykins> but you should be able to fiddle with that in the display settings
[23:12] <leolol> yeah i installed the server edition, but normal ubuntu (and any other linux i tried) has the same result
[23:12] <leolol> it doesn't let me on my display it self
[23:13] <leolol> is it possible that the pretty old server doesn't like 16:9?
[23:13] <daftykins> servers do tend to have very basic graphics
[23:13] <daftykins> no you'd change it inside ubuntu
[23:14] <leolol> yeah.. but i can set my output on my pc to 1x1 and it would still be displayed by the display..
[23:14] <leolol> ok
[23:14] <leolol> maybe i can try it without seeing anything
[23:14] <leolol> over code.. but i'd need a step by step explanation
[23:14] <daftykins> those LCDs that cover the whole image telling you 'YOU'RE STUPID, YOU SHOULD BE IN RES A x B!' anger me
[23:14] <daftykins> what's installed on it right now?
[23:15] <leolol> Ubuntu Server 12.04 LTS
[23:15] <leolol> 64 bit
[23:16] <leolol> yeah but it says something about "timings" which i do not understand at all
[23:16] <daftykins> did you install it, then install the desktop package or something?
[23:16] <daftykins> well, if you're connected with a VGA cable, it could be talking about pixel clock, refresh rate or more
[23:17] <leolol> i didn't install a gui yet, but i can't even see the thingy where i enter the commands
[23:17] <leolol> *command line
[23:17] <daftykins> do you see the bootup scrolling messages?
[23:17] <leolol> i see everything that comes from the bios
[23:17] <daftykins> how about switching between TTYs? (press ctrl+alt+F1 through F6)
[23:17] <leolol> and i saw everyhting while installing
[23:18] <leolol> TTYs? let me try that
[23:18] <leolol> will take a few seconds to boot
[23:18] <daftykins> they're like, all the different login screens. the acronym is the old term 'Tele-TYpewriter'
[23:19] <daftykins> no problemo
[23:19] <leolol> what time does it usually take to boot?
[23:19] <leolol> it's the first linux machine i have
[23:21] <daftykins> if it's server and you didn't pick any extra packages during 'tasksel' aka Task Selection, typically after BIOS i'd say under 15 seconds
[23:21] <leolol> LOL
[23:21] <leolol> sorry
[23:21] <daftykins> depends on the disks in that server
[23:21] <leolol> but i have a solution lol
[23:21] <daftykins> ? :D
[23:21] <leolol> i just started the system
[23:21] <leolol> and forgot to plug in the monitor
[23:21] <leolol> cause i tried the other one
[23:21] <daftykins> :)
[23:21] <leolol> plugged it in
[23:21] <leolol> saw a login screen lol
[23:22] <daftykins> well if you're just starting out, is there anything else you want to start trying and ask about now that you're there?
[23:22] <leolol> maybe you can explain to me how i can set up a gui and remote desktop thingy?
[23:22] <daftykins> to be honest installing a GUI on top of server kind of defeats the purpose of installing server to begin with
[23:22] <daftykins> but sure, it can be done
[23:23] <daftykins> you can login and type 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' first to get the latest updates
[23:23] <leolol> mhmm
[23:23] <leolol> ok
[23:23] <leolol> hopefully i configured my network correctly
[23:23] <daftykins> :D
[23:24] <daftykins> you may seem some errors if not ^_^ but that's ok, we can fix that too
[23:24] <daftykins> the first means - 'get the newest package lists' and the second means 'update every currently installed package to the newest version'
[23:24] <leolol> can we set up a remote desktop first or should i do the updates?
[23:25] <daftykins> well you have no GUI to remote to :) installing the latest packages is best first, before there are more packages on
[23:25] <daftykins> (more packaged will obviously be added when installing a GUI)
[23:27] <leolol> it asks [sudo] password for username:
[23:27] <leolol> but i can't type anything..
[23:27] <daftykins> your password won't be visible as you type it
[23:27] <daftykins> it's a security 'mechanism' to stop people counting asterisks to know how long it is
[23:27] <daftykins> if you feel like you make a mistake, just hold down backspace for a few seconds to clear it out
[23:27] <daftykins> *made
[23:28] <leolol> ok
[23:28] <daftykins> leolol: also, whilst doing things at the command line as you are now, don't be afraid if you glance away and the screen goes blank. the command line view has a sort of 'screensaver' which blanks the display after a set amount of time
[23:29] <daftykins> that one always gets new users :D myself included way back when ^_^
[23:29] <leolol> is it possible that my sudo password isn't the same as my account password?
[23:29] <daftykins> nah, it'll definitely be the one you entered for your user during setup
[23:29] <leolol> cause i'm 99,9% shure that the one i typed was right
[23:29] <leolol> didn't have that yet :P
[23:30] <daftykins> huh? have what?
[23:30] <daftykins> oh i get you
[23:30] <daftykins> ^_^
[23:30] <daftykins> just pre-empting it ;)
[23:32] <leolol> ok worked
[23:32] <leolol> but it doesn't seem to have a working internet connection
[23:32] <leolol> lol
[23:32] <leolol> cause i didn't plug in the cable.
[23:33] <leolol> facepalm
[23:34] <daftykins> leolol: hehe, ok it won't auto get an IP address from just plugging it in now
[23:34] <daftykins> unless you configured it with a static IP
[23:34] <leolol> my ip hasn't changed i think
[23:34] <leolol> it is on 22% but it gets an error now i think
[23:35] <leolol> once i've set it up i'll be using no-ip i think..
[23:35] <daftykins> so the update and upgrade is working?
[23:36] <daftykins> i guess you must've given it a static IP during setup
[23:36] <leolol> dono, sometimes it says "no adress assigned to hostname"
[23:36] <leolol> but it is on 23%
[23:36] <leolol> seems to be stuck now
[23:36] <daftykins> what's the last line?
[23:36] <leolol> while connecting
[23:37] <leolol> connecting to us.archive.ubuntu.com
[23:37] <daftykins> ok
[23:37] <daftykins> ctrl+c to stop that
[23:37] <leolol> and then something with security
[23:38] <daftykins> do you know your router's internal IP? e.g. 192.168.0.1
[23:38] <daftykins> also have you got some networking experience so i don't sound rude? :D
[23:38] <leolol> i think if would have just workd lol it got a translationindex and another translationindex :P
[23:39] <leolol> i know my way around pc's, i know what my IP is etc
[23:39] <leolol> my IP hasn't changed
[23:39] <leolol> since i configured my network
[23:39] <daftykins> i don't mean your internet facing IP
[23:39] <daftykins> oh i get you, your DHCP lease
[23:39] <leolol> you mean my routers IP?
[23:39] <daftykins> first diagnosis step, ping your router's internal IP
[23:40] <leolol> windows or linux?
[23:40] <daftykins> that'll tell you if the server has anything configured
[23:40] <daftykins> well the command is the same
[23:40] <daftykins> 'ping x.x.x.x'
[23:40] <leolol> x.x.x.x is my IP?
[23:40] <daftykins> well i don't know what your router's IP is
[23:40] <daftykins> so you need to substitute it in :D
[23:41] <leolol> can it be the one i have when i search for "my ip" on google? lol
[23:41] <daftykins> nah that's your internet facing one
[23:41] <leolol> it would be 62.178.128.100 (maybe that's stupid to type in the internet.. idk)
[23:41] <daftykins> tell you what, are you typing from windows?
[23:41] <leolol> mhm
[23:41] <leolol> ok
[23:41] <daftykins> open up a command prompt
[23:41] <leolol> yeah
[23:41] <leolol> i am
[23:41] <daftykins> and type "ipconfig /all"
[23:41] <leolol> in windows?
[23:41] <daftykins> yep
[23:42] <daftykins> in the command prompt program
[23:42] <daftykins> in the mass of info it'll have a 'default gateway' beside say, your wired internet connection
[23:42] <daftykins> in my case mine's a Marvell Yukon blah blah
[23:43] <leolol> for some reason my CMD opened up with my default storage space
[23:43] <leolol> in front
[23:43] <daftykins> C:\users\your username\ ?
[23:43] <leolol> yeah
[23:43] <daftykins> that's normal
[23:43] <leolol> but the ip thingy isn't working
[23:43] <daftykins> does typing 'ipconfig /all' not do anything? without the quotes of course
[23:44] <leolol> must have had a spelling mistake
[23:44] <daftykins> i loved command line growing up
[23:44] <leolol> ok so what do you need to know from there?
[23:44] <daftykins> didn't give you what you wanted? you only have yourself to blame ^_^
[23:44] <leolol> yeah :P
[23:44] <daftykins> 'default gateway' and 'dhcp server' should be the same
[23:45] <daftykins> that'll be your router's IP address, probably 192.168.0.1 for the most common
[23:45] <leolol> where in the line is this?
[23:45] <leolol> i see dhcp
[23:45] <daftykins> on mine it's beneath the network connection i'm using
[23:46] <daftykins> "Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:"
[23:46] <leolol> but i can't seem to find the fefault gateway
[23:46] <leolol> Ipv4 adress?
[23:46] <daftykins> few more lower...
[23:46] <daftykins> although if you told me your IPv4 address i might be able to guess your router's IP
[23:47] <leolol> 192.168.0.15 (prefered)
[23:47] <leolol> oh i see it
[23:47] <daftykins> yep sounds like 192.168.0.1 is your router then
[23:47] <leolol> lol
[23:47] <leolol> facepalm #2
[23:47] <daftykins> ok so you can see the difference on windows and Ubuntu
[23:47] <leolol> ok
[23:47] <daftykins> 'ping 192.168.0.1' in your command prompt
[23:47] <daftykins> and do the same on your ubuntu server system
[23:47] <leolol> in ubuntu or windows
[23:47] <leolol> ok
[23:47] <daftykins> windows will do it 4 times
[23:48] <daftykins> ubuntu will carry on infitely, so you stop it with ctrl+c again
[23:48] <daftykins> if it even works that is...
[23:48] <leolol> ok
[23:48] <leolol> you need to know something about my network?
[23:48] <leolol> i'm running over powerlan if that makes a difference
[23:49] <daftykins> between router + both your server and windows PC?
[23:49] <leolol> linux says it's unreachable
[23:49] <leolol> yeah
[23:49] <daftykins> yep, ok i expected as much
[23:49] <daftykins> nah powerline should be fine
[23:49] <leolol> windows never made problems with it
[23:49] <daftykins> so we need to tell the server to get a new IP since it was disconnected before
[23:50] <leolol> my laptop doesn't like it and windows had to activate something
[23:50] <daftykins> you can either restart it, or tell it to look for a new one
[23:50] <leolol> to make it work
[23:50] <daftykins> we'll try option 2: 'sudo dhclient eth0'
[23:50] <leolol> hmm it know the IP i told it while setting up
[23:50] <daftykins> ah ok
[23:50] <leolol> ok
[23:50] <leolol> it knows*
[23:50] <leolol> but i told it my internet IP
[23:50] <leolol> not my routers
[23:50] <daftykins> ah that might be what went wrong!
[23:51] <leolol> so we'll change that :D
[23:51] <daftykins> indeed ^_^
[23:51] <leolol> :D
[23:51] <daftykins> did the above command work though?
[23:51] <leolol> i'm still so glad that i can finally see something
[23:51] <leolol> the "ping 192....."
[23:51] <leolol> yeah
[23:51] <leolol> without a result
[23:51] <leolol> oh
[23:51] <leolol> the other one
[23:51] <daftykins> nah the next one :D
[23:51] <leolol> let me try
[23:51] <daftykins> ja
[23:52] <leolol> german?
[23:52] <daftykins> er i learnt some in school years back but i just kinda mess around
[23:52] <daftykins> i'm from Guernsey
[23:52] <leolol> where ever that is :P
[23:52] <leolol> i'm austrian :)
[23:52] <daftykins> little island between England and France
[23:52] <daftykins> ah ok ^_^
[23:52] <leolol> ooh the "no taxes" islands :P
[23:52] <daftykins> in that case i best not attempt any of my terrible German
[23:53] <daftykins> hehe, how is it that everyone knows that now XD
[23:53] <leolol> oh, austria's the same.. not with taxes but we got like ... mhmm
[23:53] <daftykins> does your local news talk about how the English government is on the war path about us tax havens?
[23:53] <leolol> nope
[23:53] <daftykins> ah
[23:53] <leolol> ^^
[23:53] <leolol> we got like privacy with banks
[23:54] <daftykins> ah yeah
[23:54] <leolol> they aren't allowed to give out information about who owns the conto etc (dono if conto's a word in english)
[23:54] <leolol> ok linux says
[23:54] <leolol> nothing atm
[23:55] <daftykins> try pinging again
[23:55] <daftykins> you can tap cursor up just like in Windows to repeat older commands
[23:55] <daftykins> it's not english, but i guess you mean 'account'
[23:56] <leolol> now i'm just typing.. before that there was always like username@Server in front..
[23:56] <leolol> yeah i meant account
[23:57] <daftykins> ah it's kinda stuck thinking
[23:57] <daftykins> ok, try ctrl+c to give up
[23:57] <daftykins> that should hopefully return you to the normal 'prompt'
[23:58] <leolol> ok
[23:58] <daftykins> back to normal?
[23:58] <leolol> try the dhclient again?
[23:58] <daftykins> next step, i think checking if you have some network configuration wrong is a good idea
[23:58] <daftykins> type 'cat /etc/network/interfaces'
[23:59] <daftykins> you should see a few lines of text
[23:59] <daftykins> including 'auto eth0' ?
[23:59] <leolol> seems to get stuck on that