[05:52] <Guest17487> ubuntustudio13.4  media players tearing videos specially HD , can anyone help i did look around for answers have got something but need a fool proof way to fsum this up
[05:52] <Guest17487> using nvidia gt520m gfx card on my laptop
[05:54] <zequence> Guest17487: I haven't been messing with settings for video players myself, but perhaps VLC has an option for that. Something like, wait for vertical sync. However, XBMC does not have this problem
[05:54] <Guest17487> chanserv?? could you please help
[05:54] <Guest17487> thanks zequence
[05:55] <Guest17487> this tearing happens on all the media players
[05:55] <Guest17487> not only VLC
[05:55] <Guest17487> xine
[05:55] <zequence> I know
[05:55] <zequence> But, some may have settings to prevent it
[05:56] <Guest17487> so read this and this fixed the problem but display settings changed
[05:56] <Guest17487> http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=3045.0
[05:57] <Guest17487> the answer lies in compositing option in window manager setting
[05:57] <Guest17487> can this be fixed permanently
[06:01] <zequence> Guest17487: Have you read this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/125245/how-do-i-stop-video-tearing-nvidia-prop-driver-non-compositing-window-manager
[06:02] <Guest17487> reading thanks ze
[06:07] <zequence> I haven't investigated the problem myself at all really
[06:07] <zequence> I just know from my own experience, that XBMC does not have this tearing problem
[06:08] <zequence> I suppose because it's not a desktop program, and does its own graphics entirely (I'm assuming)
[06:09] <Guest17487> thanks ze seems im facing an age old issue thanks for your inputs
[14:14] <brian__> Hi does anyone know how to import music into Audacious?
[14:23] <brian__> Ok it's alright.
[14:41] <famax8> whats the new verion worth?
[14:49] <zequence> famax8: zillions
[14:54] <deemovic> hello
[14:56] <deemovic> I need help to set up more than one monitor display, but all I get is a mirror display on the second monitor
[15:01] <cub> deemovic, what kind of graphic card do you have?
[15:02] <cub> I needed to install ATI drivers to be able to run dual monitors on my setup
[15:02] <deemovic> onboard nvidia
[15:04] <deemovic> cub, please tell me how... I have an hp pavillion dv600 laptop, an old thing and it only has an onboard graphics card... how do I intall ATI drivers
[15:05] <DarkEra> did you install the nvidia drivers? If it's nvidia you don't need ATI at all
[15:06] <DarkEra> if you use the opensource driver Nouveau you can set it up in Arandr
[15:06] <cub> I don't know if the Nvidia drivers are in Proprietary drivers like for ATI cards?
[15:07] <DarkEra> if you want to use the nvidia drivers then open a terminal and do a:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[15:07] <DarkEra> reboot once it's finished
[15:09] <DarkEra> Once rebooted you need to run gksudo nvidia-settings in the terminal to adjust the settings and save them to the xorg.conf file from there
[15:10] <DarkEra> deemovic, ^
[15:10] <deemovic> yes
[15:11] <deemovic> I tried to do those things yesterday but it messed up my resolutiion so I have had to reinstall ubuntu studio afresh this morning... can you help me out
[15:12] <deemovic> DarkEra, I will try your advice just one more time
[15:12] <DarkEra> ok
[15:13] <DarkEra> you also should be able to adjust the resolution in the nvidia-settings
[15:14] <DarkEra> if that's not working out i'd advice just to use the nouveau driver and set up a dual monitor through Arandr
[15:21] <deemovic> DarkEra, can you please explain the process of the Nouveau driver to me
[15:22] <DarkEra> how do you mean?
[15:22] <deemovic> how do I got about it
[15:22] <deemovic> go about it
[15:23] <DarkEra> if you don't have the nvidia drivers installed your system uses the Nouveau driver
[15:23] <deemovic> ok... right now I have successfully installed the nvidia-current via terminal as you suggested
[15:23] <DarkEra> right, now reboot
[15:23] <DarkEra> if you haven't done so already that is :)
[15:24] <deemovic> I see something depmod... and DKMS:Install completed
[15:24] <deemovic> I will reboot now and it means this chat will cut off for a bit]
[15:24] <DarkEra> if it's completly done and nothing is happening then reboot
[15:25] <deemovic> should I attach the second display already or wait to do that after reboot? DarkEra
[15:25] <DarkEra> you could do that after the reboot
[15:26] <deemovic> I just checked my system setting and saw nvidia X server setting, I clicked on it and it gave me a box with this message ''You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.''
[15:26] <DarkEra> did you reboot?
[15:26] <DarkEra> otherwise it doesn't work
[15:26] <deemovic> gonna do that now... just hope you will be here when i come back
[15:27] <DarkEra> sure ;)
[15:27] <deemovic> ok
[15:27] <deemovic> off I go
[15:27] <DarkEra> ok
[15:34] <famax8> zequence, but one mid range in particular?
[15:35] <famax8> zequence, sorry missunderstood - and i meant is it worth updating?
[15:37] <famax8> anyone would know of a good external soundcard USB with MIDI
[15:38] <DarkEra> famax8, it sure is worth it. But i don't know what you plan to do, upgrade or fresh install (what i would recommend)?
[15:38] <famax8> or how to use kaosspad as device for lmms
[15:38] <famax8> DarkEra, update
[15:39] <DarkEra> note that upgrading doesn't work flawless most of the time. That's my experience
[16:00] <deemovic> DarkEra, are you there
[16:01] <DarkEra> i'm still here but having something to eat at the moment
[16:01] <deemovic> ok... no worries... when yu are done
[16:01] <DarkEra> ok, thanks :)
[16:42] <deemovic> DarkEra,
[16:43] <deemovic> you know what...I just quickly reinstall studio afresh a again...
[16:43] <DarkEra> did it went wrong?
[16:44] <deemovic> reason on that once I plug in the second monitor, it messes up the main monitor and reduced the resolution so much that fonts doubles in size
[16:44] <deemovic> so now its back to normal and we can begin the process again...
[16:45] <DarkEra> deemovic, what if you open nvidia-settings through the terminal: gksudo nvidia-settings
[16:45] <holstein> i usually just make a custom xorg.conf.. with the nvidia tools, you can get something close to what will work, and edit from there as needed
[16:45] <deemovic> hey holstein its me here again, Senator
[16:45] <DarkEra> deemovic, in there you should be able to adjust the monitors
[16:46] <DarkEra> heya holstein :)
[16:46] <holstein> DarkEra, deemovic o/
[16:46] <deemovic> so guys tell me are you saying the same thing or different... which do I try
[16:46] <deemovic> I need to install the nvidia-current first right and what next?
[16:47] <holstein> deemovic: its on a hardware basis.. you'll just need to troubleshoot and do what works
[16:47] <deemovic> you know I went over to dreamstudio temporarily and just came back to Ubuntu studio yesterday, so I hope this works really
[16:47] <holstein> deemovic: ideally, its nvidia that would be helping you, since they make the software, but we can try
[16:48] <holstein> deemovic: go where you like.. the issue you are having is realting to your graphics hardware, and will likely be *very* similar on any version of linux
[16:48] <holstein> deemovic: the nice thing about ubuntu is the larger desktop user community, which is more likely to have used the *exact* hardware you are trying to use
[16:48] <deemovic> DarkEra, suggested something ealier on, he said I shd install nvidia current and if it dont work I can use the Nouveau driver visa ARand R
[16:49] <holstein> deemovic: you can use the vesa driver with one monitor
[16:49] <holstein> deemovic: and, thats what i might suggest.. stepping back a bit, and taking it easy
[16:49] <holstein> deemovic: what operating system are you coming from?
[16:49] <deemovic> ubuntu dreamstudio
[16:50] <deemovic> but it was 12.04
[16:50] <holstein> deemovic: before that.. what are you used to. .windows?
[16:50] <deemovic> nope... ubuntu studio
[16:50] <holstein> deemovic: so, dual monitor is supported in 12.04?
[16:50] <deemovic> remember we always chatted here in the past, I was senator, now changed the name to deemovic
[16:51] <holstein> deemovic: why not just use 12.04? thats what my production machine is running...
[16:51] <holstein> deemovic: also, you can grab the xorg.conf that the nvidia utility makes for you in 12.04, and try it in 13.04
[16:51] <deemovic> in the dreamstudio, it somehow worked... sometimes the mouse ghets stuck at the edge of one screen but when i repeatedly drag it it crosses over to the next one
[16:51] <holstein> deemovic: i would have no issues installing 12.04 right now, if it fit my needs better than 13.04
[16:52] <holstein> deemovic: you can grab information from dreamstudio
[16:52] <holstein> deemovic: first thing. if "dreamstudio" is based on 12.04.. that is a different kernel. and a different nvidia driver
[16:52] <holstein> also, you can get that *exact* xorg.conf .. have it with you as a "known-good" config
[16:52] <holstein> otherwise, it will be a matter of troubleshooting
[16:52] <holstein> what would i do?
[16:52] <deemovic> holstein, in the dreamstudio, it somehow worked... sometimes the mouse ghets stuck at the edge of one screen but when i repeatedly drag it it crosses over to the next one, so the issue was not tatally sorted but I managed somehow to live with it
[16:53] <holstein> deemovic: that likely to do with the way you had the nvidia driver setup.. where the mouse would get stuck
[16:53] <deemovic> ok holstein, DarkEra ... can we try here first and see what we can achieve
[16:53] <holstein> deemovic: what would i do? install 13.04... upgrade *all* packages.. install the nvidia driver
[16:54] <holstein> if it doesnt work, i would take my known-good xorg.conf from dreamstudio and drop it in 13.04
[16:54] <deemovic> I have just done the upgrade now, its asking me to restart
[16:54] <holstein> !nvidia
[16:54] <deemovic> I have already cleaned out dreamstudio
[16:54] <holstein> ^^ states, by model, what driver to use
[16:54] <deemovic> wiped it
[16:55] <holstein> deemovic: sure.. and if you hit a wall here, you can reinstall dreamstudio, or 12.04 and make notes about what is supporting your hardware, and why
[16:55] <deemovic> so lets go ahead here first... right... I have installed all package upgrade, now it needs me to restart... do I do that now and come back to you
[16:56] <holstein> deemovic: you will need to reboot to be running the latest kernel
[16:56] <holstein> deemovic: its not really a matter of "this is what you do, and it will work"
[16:56] <holstein> it will be a process by which volunteers make suggestions, and you try them
[16:57] <DarkEra> install ---> update --> reboot --> install the drivers. That's how it's done
[16:57] <holstein> you are upgraded, and booting the latest kernel, and installing the latest drivers
[16:57] <holstein> then, we go from there
[16:57] <deemovic> I know... I ynderstand, I just wanted to get away the basic thing off the table, then get into troubleshoot... so let me do that now
[16:58] <holstein> deemovic: this is not "basic"
[16:58] <holstein> deemovic: we, the volnuteers in this channel, are going to to our best to help you with software that we do not, and cannot maintatain
[16:58] <holstein> IE, the proprietary nvidia driver
[16:58] <holstein> i use it.. so does DarkEra it seems
[16:59] <DarkEra> holstein, yep
[16:59] <deemovic> ok but let me begin from there now... I have installed studio, now upgraded packages... so let me reboot now guys
[17:00] <deemovic> then come chat yu about how to install nvidia drivers etc and see where it leads me
[17:00] <holstein> yes.. reboot to the current most up to date kernel.. and install the current most up to date nvidia driver
[17:00] <holstein> !nvidia | deemovic
[17:00] <holstein> deemovic: you can reference the link above for "how to install the driver"
[17:00] <holstein> deemovic: thats what i use
[17:00] <holstein> its by model #
[17:02] <deemovic> lspci | GREP vga output is VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary) (rev 0c)
[17:02] <holstein> ?
[17:03] <deemovic> the link you gave
[17:03] <holstein> why are we discussing the nvidia driver then?
[17:03] <holstein> deemovic: you dont have nvidia hardware
[17:03] <deemovic> I see
[17:03] <holstein> deemovic: the intel chip should be supported out of the box
[17:03] <holstein> deemovic: is that a netbook?
[17:03] <deemovic> laptop
[17:04] <holstein> you should be able to install and use arandr and setup the dual head
[17:04] <DarkEra> so it's not a onboard nvidia card
[17:04] <holstein> DarkEra: apparently not nvidia hardware at all
[17:05] <deemovic> hmmm, I see
[17:05] <deemovic> its intel right? but its onboard
[17:05] <deemovic> so how do you suggest I proceed
[17:05] <holstein> deemovic: all intel are integrated
[17:06] <holstein> deemovic: i suggested installing arandr, after suggesting upgrading and rebooting the new kernel.. are you up to date?
[17:06] <deemovic> I believe so, just that once I plug in the second monitor, it messes up the view of the first and the resolution changes
[17:06] <deemovic> I havent rebooted yet cos we ar here chastting
[17:06] <deemovic> chatting
[17:06] <holstein> deemovic: open a terminal... type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and report any errors
[17:07] <holstein> deemovic: then, "sudo apt-get install arandr"
[17:07] <deemovic> but if you will excuse me a few moment... I will reboot now... No errors
[17:09] <deemovic> for the arandr, no errors there too, 0 upgrade, 0 new ,0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[17:09] <holstein> deemovic: are you rebooted into the latest kernel?
[17:09] <holstein> deemovic: if not, reboot...
[17:10] <deemovic> ok i will do that now... be right back
[17:13] <DarkEra> holstein, i assumed that he had nvidia because he mentioned it himself. I will make sure the next time asking for a output first before giving further support
[17:21] <famax8> so anyone knows of a good external soundcard for UBS 12.10 or a way to get a kaosspad working with lmms via midi or usb
[17:21] <holstein> famax8: for me, i argue external USB sound cards are never good
[17:22] <holstein> i have a lexicon omega that is plug and play... decent pre's.. the beringer USB devices are cheap and work out of the box.. $30us
[17:22] <holstein> famax8: the kaosspad should work with any midi.. i have some very cheap midi to USB cables... like $6us
[17:22] <famax8> holstein, i need something wiht MIDI
[17:23] <holstein> famax8: *all* of what i have mentioned above (except the cheap beringer) has midi
[17:23] <holstein> famax8: i have a tascam USB that only the midi works, not the audio
[17:23] <holstein> famax8: my presonus firepod has midi, but i have never tested it
[17:23] <famax8> holstein, u got a link for that cable?
[17:24] <holstein> famax8: i would just get whatever is cheap , and save the reciepts
[17:24] <holstein> famax8: i just got some cheap-o's from amazon
[17:24] <holstein> literally the cheapest ones
[17:25] <holstein> i was arguing about midi device quality in here before.. but since the sounds are not generated by, nor traveling through the midi devices, i just go with the cheapest
[17:25] <holstein> for the audio path, i spend money
[17:25] <holstein> any all-in-one kind of maudio or whatever would do you right..
[17:25] <holstein> famax8: are you using an internal sound card?
[17:26] <famax8> holstein, i use an internal yes id like to use the kaosspad as midi controller for lmms
[17:27] <famax8> but if i could have a card with midi would be better no stress to have the usb compatibility issue
[17:27] <holstein> famax8: you should be able to enulate that with the touchpad.. but what im suggesting is, for not a lot more $$, you can probably find something used with usb audio and midi
[17:27] <holstein> famax8: lol
[17:27] <holstein> famax8: the stress has nothing to do with US.. or ALSA
[17:27] <famax8> i rather avoid it
[17:27] <holstein> famax8: if you can get a vendor to say "out of the box alsa support" or "supports linux" then, you will have no stress
[17:28] <famax8> and i already own a kaosspad i dont really wanna spend again some money
[17:28] <holstein> otherwise, *any* kernel or alsa update can break support
[17:28] <holstein> anyteim
[17:28] <holstein> anytime*
[17:28] <holstein> famax8: then get the *cheapest* midi cable you see
[17:28] <holstein> famax8: otherwise, my suggestion is, for a little more $$, you could get something that would improve your audio signal, and add midi
[17:28] <famax8> and so internal card better yeah which one as midrange price
[17:29] <holstein> famax8: i dont see any reason to get mid or high range midi
[17:29] <famax8> i mean soundcard
[17:29] <holstein> just get the cheapest.. otherwise, get a decent used usb soundcard with midi support
[17:29] <holstein> the lexicon omega is all i have here that i can personally say works
[17:30] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main is what i refer to
[17:30] <famax8> id really like to have the plugs directly
[17:30] <deemovic> back now... holstein
[17:30] <holstein> famax8: right. via USB
[17:30] <deemovic> DarkEra,
[17:30] <famax8> holstein, via midi ^^
[17:30] <holstein> famax8: i think i understand you.. otherwise, you 'll need to elaborate what you mean by "plugs right in"
[17:30] <holstein> famax8: i dont follow then
[17:30] <famax8> holstein, midi for midi usb for usb
[17:31] <holstein> famax8: right.. i do *not* understand
[17:31] <holstein> famax8: the omega plugs in USB.. and has midi
[17:31] <famax8> holstein, haha i want a midi IN on the soundcard
[17:31] <holstein> famax8: right. the omega has that
[17:31] <famax8> holstein, as there is a midi out on the kaosspad
[17:31] <holstein> famax8: lots of maudio cheaper cards on that list i linked have that
[17:32] <holstein> famax8: right.. i understand.. that is what i was saying
[17:32] <holstein> famax8: there willl be nothing else for it to connect to
[17:32] <famax8> yes i saw one like 40 quids here as well
[17:32] <holstein> we are talking about adding a USB device for midi connection
[17:32] <famax8> about 60$ if i convert well
[17:32] <holstein> thta can be done with a midi USB cable , or an interface with midi
[17:32] <holstein> that is the 2 options we are discussing
[17:32] <famax8> yes
[17:32] <famax8> yes
[17:32] <famax8> but apparently better an iterface
[17:32] <holstein> my argument is, the USB audio device is doing more good for your setup
[17:33] <holstein> !better | famax8
[17:33] <holstein> better is up to you.. if you like your internal card.. or prefer it.. or, just want to spend less $$
[17:33] <famax8> holstein, oh right sorry i understood you said USB is never a good choice
[17:34] <holstein> deemovic: DarkEra  and i see you, as well as the other volunteers.. you will need to post a question for us to respond
[17:34] <holstein> famax8: correct
[17:34] <holstein> famax8: i personally think its not "better" in any scenario, so i avoid it
[17:34] <holstein> thats my opinion
[17:34] <famax8> holstein, are you trolling me??? :O
[17:35] <holstein> famax8: ?
[17:35] <famax8> oh right
[17:35] <famax8> :P
[17:35] <holstein> famax8: no.. im saying, i do not use, nor suggesting using USB
[17:35] <holstein> with that in mind, here are the links to the USB supported devices you want
[17:35] <famax8> i thought internal too coz the whole USB adaptation can always create issues
[17:35] <holstein> famax8: i dont use internal cards for anything other than testing
[17:35] <famax8> ?
[17:35] <famax8> why not?
[17:36] <deemovic> ok
[17:36] <holstein> famax8: the above mentioned quality
[17:36] <holstein> famax8: the quality of internal sound cards for creating audio, and getting audio into the machine is sub-par
[17:36] <famax8> is better via usb then?
[17:36] <holstein> famax8: also, i personally avoid USB for the same reason, though, that is changing.. and folks use USB all the time with "good" results
[17:36] <holstein> famax8: *better* is a matter of opinion, brother
[17:37] <famax8> well yes im asking u
[17:37] <holstein> famax8: there is "this fits my needs" or, "this doesnt"
[17:37] <holstein> famax8: on a budget, the USB gear you are discussing is a good, affordable solution for you
[17:37] <famax8> o u dont use any card?
[17:37] <holstein> famax8: to see about support, check the link i gave at alsa, or ask in #opensourcemusicians
[17:38] <famax8> u being very confusing
[17:38] <holstein> famax8: i test with my internal sound cards.. for support reasons.. i use a few us devices for support purposes and testing
[17:38] <holstein> i have a firewise device i mentioned above that i do my production on
[17:38] <holstein> famax8: its quite simple
[17:38] <holstein> famax8: if you want quality, it cost $$
[17:39] <famax8> i dont go by that moto ^^
[17:39] <holstein> famax8: if you dont want to spend $$, i can discuss some alternatives that are compromises
[17:39] <holstein> famax8: you dont have to
[17:39] <famax8> but  u got one deice assigned to one use right?
[17:39] <holstein> famax8: but, there is a level of quality that can *not* be attainted with an internal card
[17:39] <holstein> when getting audio into the machine
[17:39] <deemovic> ok guys, here is my challenge, I have installed ubuntustudio and I am having issues with dual display, what happens is that once I plug in the second monitor all I get is a mirror view and the second monitor kinda messes up the resolution of the main laptop which is running intel VGA.
[17:40] <famax8> setup your screen config??
[17:40] <holstein> famax8: if you are not creating audio outside the box, and just doing midi, you can get away with cheaper interfaces, which i am discussing with yuo
[17:40] <holstein> if you are only creating sounds "in the box" then the sound card quality is more irrelevant
[17:40] <holstein> in which case, the usb midi cable would be appropriate...
[17:41] <famax8> holstein, is ok i just need midi to control at the moment i'll go with internal to play then live and export the sound i will see later with a luna o so but now is really about controlling and using the kaosspad pad as controller
[17:41] <holstein> famax8: understand?.. neither of those fit my personal needs.. since i dont do midi, and i track 8+ channels at once
[17:42] <holstein> famax8: if those devices, that personally dont fit my needs, fit your needs... above is where to find information about the support in ALSA.. and mabye someone who owns one in #opensourcemusians
[17:43] <famax8> and u use all external devices plugged via what then?
[17:43] <famax8> jack?
[17:43] <holstein> famax8: if you just need to add midi control.. the midi USB cable i have was like $6us, and works great.. for about $60, i think you could get a used usb audio device that would do midi, and increase your audio quality
[17:43] <holstein> famax8: i use JACK on my firewire audio device
[17:43] <famax8> then all into the fire wire i guess?
[17:44] <holstein> famax8: correct
[17:44] <famax8> ahhhhhh
[17:44] <famax8> now i get it!!!!
[17:44] <holstein> but, i have a USB device that i test with ubuntu for support purposes that i think would fit your needs.. or one similar to it
[17:44] <famax8> ok and so according to you i shouldnt get troubles using and cable adapter thingy usb to midi and can use the pad in lmms or so?
[17:44] <holstein> i think you should be able to get one for $50 or so US
[17:45] <holstein> famax8: thats what im saing.. *any* software update can give you "troubles"
[17:45] <holstein> famax8: you are not buying a device that says "works with ubuntustudio" or "linux"
[17:45] <famax8> well starting from taht fact i dont go out of me gaff! :)
[17:45] <holstein> famax8: i can say this.. nothing ubuntustudio is doing will give you troubles with any device
[17:46] <famax8> no but sometimes when is not "native" is always a bit dodgy
[17:46] <holstein> famax8: usb is not native
[17:46] <holstein> famax8: if you mean, not supported by the kernel. thats why i linked the alsa matrix
[17:46] <holstein> but, that is just alsa.. right now.. the audio hardware support for alsa
[17:46] <famax8> holstein, hahaha u can sasy that yes but since 12.10 i dont believve u!! :O
[17:47] <holstein> famax8: what are you talking about?
[17:47] <famax8> nothing will gimme troubles ^^
[17:47] <holstein> famax8: ubuntutsudio doesnt suppport *any* hardare
[17:47] <holstein> hardware*
[17:47] <holstein> famax8: we use a kernel.. it has support for what it has support for
[17:47] <holstein> famax8: its really up to the vendors to get the information to alsa so that it can be suppported
[17:48] <holstein> when that doesnt happen, and it doesnt, support gets "dodgy"
[17:48] <holstein> famax8: if you are asking me "what audio hardware is guaranteed to work with ubuntustudio?" this is my answer.. ubuntustudio is doing nothing to facilitate, nor prevent the support of *any* devices being provided to you or anyone
[17:49] <holstein> i, nor anyone else can guarantee you that a device will work.. the vendor can, and is encouraged to do that for you
[17:49] <holstein> what do i do? i save my reciepts, and try and find someone with the *exact* hardware.. which can be challenging
[17:50] <holstein> since chipsets can change on hardware, and the *exact* hardware would be working fine with linux, but another piece of the same hardware could have a different unsupported chipset
[17:51] <holstein> famax8: i can only give you links to alsa and ubuntu friendly and #opensourcemusicians.. but, there are no guarantees..
[17:52] <holstein> i can personally guarantee that http://www.ebay.com/ctg/Lexicon-Omega-Recording-Workstation-/70304739 works, since i have it and have tested in first-hand, assuming the chipsets and internal hardware are the same..
[17:59] <holstein> famax8: sorry for any confusion with the wall-o-text.. im just trying to clearly state facts.. ubuntustudio nor linux are directly responsible for the hardware support which is or can potentially give you troubles
[18:05] <tehowe> Has anyone else been having kernel panics with the 3.8 PREEMPT kernel that got pushed out through the repo a couple days ago?
[18:14] <holstein> tehowe: might want to mention that you are on 12.04? correct? and i personally dont update my production machine running 12.04... though, i can for testing purposes if that will help you
[18:15] <famax8> holstein,  and so just to use a controller via midi the cheapest will do right? for the sound tranfers and recording i will use different or keep on the way i use so far which is MD->line in - record via ardour
[18:15] <tehowe> Hello again holstein :) Yes, I'm on 12.04
[18:16] <holstein> famax8: the cheapest midi to USB is acceptable to me, since that cable is not transfering audio data.. just note on or off messages
[18:17] <famax8> holstein, so USB would be better than interface direct ok
[18:17] <holstein> famax8: you cant interface midi direct
[18:18] <holstein> famax8: usb audio is arguably "better" than internal audio
[18:18] <famax8> holstein, no soundcards or any cards would have midi in interface?
[18:18] <famax8> no audio only control
[18:18] <holstein> famax8: the one i mentioned has that..
[18:18] <tehowe> I think I'm supposed to help you, but here's what came up on the screen http://imgur.com/sRXrpS8 http://imgur.com/xTtVkam
[18:18] <tehowe> Thankfully only on my laptop so far and not on my desktop
[18:19] <holstein> famax8: i give 2 options to you.. one is a cable that is cheap that has midi in/out on one end, and usb on the other
[18:19] <holstein> the other is an audio interface, that is arguably "better" than your current audio situation, that would have midi on/out included
[18:20] <famax8> i'llea cable the time i geet a card
[18:20] <famax8> haha
[18:21] <famax8> im just not feeling safe with the managment of midi over usb without going through some latency ttroubles at some point which is like crucial for me
[18:21] <holstein> famax8: *both* the options above "go through" usb
[18:21] <holstein> famax8: midi is not the issue though.. its nothing.. the date is literally "note on note off"
[18:21] <famax8> again is really about controlling and use the pad with a program in lmms
[18:22] <holstein> famax8: audio date is *not* transmitted via MIDI
[18:22] <holstein> famax8: plus, you likely have no other resonably affordable way to add midi to your situation
[18:22] <famax8> no internaal cards then?
[18:22] <holstein> famax8: correct
[18:22] <famax8> i was thinking about this
[18:22] <famax8> internal card
[18:23] <famax8> directly into the mainboard shouldnt be any troubles
[18:23] <famax8> innit?
[18:23] <holstein> famax8: if you dont have midi now, i would suggest usb midi..
[18:24] <holstein> midi is nothing.. its not a load to worry about with latency... its small data
[18:24] <famax8> yeah but rather be safe than sorry ^^
[18:24] <holstein> famax8: sure
[18:24] <holstein> ShapeShifter499: *either* device can make you sorry, so try which ever you like
[18:24] <famax8> ok so whichever way will do..
[18:25] <holstein> famax8: ^^
[18:25] <holstein> ShapeShifter499: sorry
[18:25] <holstein> famax8: either the internal card, or the USB midi can be unsupported
[18:25] <holstein> famax8: the external USB/midi would be the "best" quality
[18:25] <famax8> holstein, dont be so negative
[18:25] <holstein> famax8: im not.. im being realistic
[18:26] <famax8> merp
[18:26] <famax8> i say that too
[18:26] <holstein> famax8: an internal sound card added to your system will not increase the quality of your audio any.. though it will add midi support
[18:26] <famax8> but yeah then to export the sound and play live i would use an internal card as well i guess
[18:26] <holstein> famax8: no
[18:27] <holstein> famax8: you can export without *any* sound card.. you just cant monitor in the process
[18:27] <famax8> yean live set dont need to be monintored but i pass then through a mixer so is a channel on it is ok i can monitor there
[18:27] <holstein> thats why im saying, if you are creating all the sounds "in the box" via midi, then the sound card quality is irrelevant..
[18:27] <famax8> sound is coming from lmms
[21:07] <studio-user840-n> hi
[21:07] <studio-user840-n> i currently installing ubuntu studio. the second attempt. it seems that it failed to install the bootloader the first time. is it because the windows is on a other partition?
[21:08] <holstein> studio-user840-n: could be due to misconfiguration from trying not to break something on the hard drive
[21:08] <holstein> !grub
[21:08] <holstein> i would just reinstall grub from a live CD
[21:09] <studio-user840-n> grub
[21:09] <studio-user840-n> sounds like a good answer
[21:09] <studio-user840-n> i ll try
[21:09] <studio-user840-n> i guess the command would be: sudo apt-get install grub
[21:09] <holstein> studio-user840-n: sometimes i just dont install grub, and do it manually afterward.. it just depends
[21:09] <studio-user840-n> right?
[21:09] <holstein> studio-user840-n: i follow the wiki i linked.. and usually just use the GUI that can be installed on the live instance
[21:10] <holstein> i did it in the command line a few times, and it looked like that, but i remember specifying where.. /dev/sda1 or whatever
[21:10] <studio-user840-n> k
[21:10] <studio-user840-n> thanks
[21:10] <holstein> studio-user840-n: good luck!
[21:10] <studio-user840-n> i m so exited!
[21:11] <studio-user840-n> have been thinking of changing too linux since soemthing like 7 years now... but i m finally doing it. :)
[21:11] <studio-user840-n> to
[21:12] <holstein> check out #opensourcemusicians ..that commuinty really helpedme transtition
[21:13] <studio-user840-n> i guess my main problem is going to be all the adobe after effect and premiere projects i still have on windows...
[21:15] <studio-user840-n> is there a maybe a channel like #opensourcefilmmakers or #opensourcevideographers or #opensourcecinematographers ?
[21:17] <holstein> studio-user840-n: you can search freenode for whatever chanels you seek
[21:17] <studio-user840-n> how do i do that?
[21:18] <holstein> studio-user840-n: i had a lot of projects in cubase, and i dont miss windows or cubase anymore
[21:18] <holstein> studio-user840-n: do what? search for a channel?
[21:18] <holstein> you can just try joining it
[21:18] <studio-user840-n> oh yeah. i try that... so channels are emtpy... thats why i m asking
[21:18] <holstein> but, you can ask in the channel that *does* exist that i did suggest.. or google
[21:19] <holstein> or google how to search freenode or whatever server you are on using whatever client you are using
[21:19] <holstein> cheers! gotta run.. enjoy!
[21:19] <studio-user840-n> okey... well. lets try this one : #ubuntustudio
[21:19] <holstein> studio-user840-n: thats the one you are on
[21:19] <holstein> i suggest you try #opensourcemusicians ..but you dont have
[21:19] <holstein> to
[21:19] <studio-user840-n> lol
[21:19] <holstein> .. cheers!
[21:19] <studio-user840-n> ups
[21:19] <studio-user840-n> :)
[21:20] <studio-user840-n> thx