[03:07] <ahoneybun> valorie: \o/
[03:08] <valorie> hi!
[03:08]  * valorie just got earphones
[03:08] <ahoneybun> nice
[03:08] <valorie> so far when I plug them in though, no sound comes through them
[03:09] <ahoneybun> oh messed with kmix yet?
[03:09] <valorie> that was in yoububes
[03:09] <valorie> youtubes
[03:09] <valorie> shees
[03:09] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:10] <ahoneybun> did you message the user list?
[03:10] <ahoneybun> about the hangouts?
[03:10] <valorie> kmix sees when I plug them in
[03:10] <valorie> I won't until we have something to announce
[03:10] <valorie> and something for them to see
[03:10] <ahoneybun> oh ok I was going to, but better to wait for some news
[03:11] <valorie> sure, I've been dealing with quite a bit of other stuff today
[03:11] <valorie> GSoC -- today was deduplication day
[03:11] <ahoneybun> I'm sure
[03:11] <valorie> there was a CWG thing
[03:11] <ahoneybun> oh
[03:11] <valorie> etc.
[03:11] <ahoneybun> what is that?
[03:12] <valorie> hmmm, when I play amarok, it isn't coming through the headphones either
[03:13] <valorie> CWG=KDE Community Working Group
[03:13] <valorie> I'm part of it
[03:13] <ahoneybun> oh cool
[03:14] <valorie> not sure if there really is an equiv. in ubuntu
[03:14] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:15] <ahoneybun> idk
[03:15] <valorie> anyway, dunno how to get sound to come through USB, 
[03:15] <valorie> I guess I'll have to google a bit
[03:16] <valorie> their instruction booklet is hilarious
[03:16] <valorie> 1. turn on your computer
[03:16] <valorie> 2. plug in the earphones
[03:16] <valorie> ....
[03:16] <ahoneybun> wow
[03:16] <valorie> but no sound yet
[03:16] <valorie> sec
[03:20] <ahoneybun> mine just worked, which was nice
[03:22] <valorie> cool
[03:22] <ahoneybun> I have a mic on this one too
[03:24] <valorie> yes, this has a mic
[03:24] <valorie> relatively comfortable, and supposed to be good enough for music
[03:24] <valorie> my little cheapos are almost done, so moving up to these should be good
[03:25] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:27] <ahoneybun> always good to have good headphones
[03:27] <valorie> I have awesome sennheisers
[03:28] <ahoneybun> sweet
[03:28] <valorie> but they are SO good that when I listen to music with them, I literally can't hear anything else
[03:28] <ahoneybun> nice
[03:28] <valorie> a bomb could go off and I wouldn't hear it 
[03:28] <valorie> suckers are massive
[03:30] <ahoneybun> yea I have some Koss that are great for yard work
[03:32] <valorie> I would never wear them outside!
[03:32] <valorie> I'd get munched by a bear and never see it coming
[03:32] <valorie> lol
[03:33] <ahoneybun> lol
[03:34] <ahoneybun> on to work
[03:34] <ahoneybun> so the wiki can be as long as we need it?
[03:36] <valorie> that's what darkwing said
[03:36] <valorie> however, I think having long pages is bad
[03:36] <ahoneybun> ok 
[03:36] <valorie> people don't like to scroll
[03:36] <ahoneybun> yea I know, but lets get content on the pages then move it around like you said
[03:37] <valorie> so i'd like to compromise by having LOTS of pages with indepth info on each, about one lil subject
[03:37] <valorie> and link everywhere
[03:37] <valorie> sure
[03:37] <valorie> lead the way, and I'll follow
[03:37] <ahoneybun> yea
[03:37] <valorie> can't stand to make pages and shit
[03:37] <valorie> writing I"m cool with, and research
[03:39] <ahoneybun> I don't think we need bittorrent talk on basic
[03:39] <valorie> agreed
[03:40] <ahoneybun> fonts?
[03:40] <valorie> we might have one sentence with everything that gets moved out: Also available are *bittorrent*, *bleh* and *blah*
[03:40] <valorie> with links
[03:40] <valorie> sure
[03:41] <valorie> sentence or list
[03:41] <valorie> either one
[03:43] <ahoneybun> check out trello
[03:47] <ahoneybun> https://trello.com/board/kubuntu-docs-saucy-salamander/518d39bc9433cf5507000173
[03:51] <valorie> excellent
[03:54] <ahoneybun> I'm using a bit from here https://docs.google.com/document/d/114KBd6_CMQLpcReKhzUa1pXVPma35a7ctBhzD_qBLvU/edit#heading=h.vtm28cy6adq4
[03:56] <valorie> oh good
[03:56] <ahoneybun> yea reuse :)
[03:56] <valorie> oh, for sure
[03:56] <valorie> and be sure to tell him so, too
[03:56] <valorie> :-)
[03:56] <ahoneybun> Yes I forget who that was
[03:56] <ahoneybun> it was on the list I think
[03:56] <valorie> yes
[03:58] <ahoneybun> it was volken
[03:59] <ahoneybun> something like that
[04:00] <ahoneybun> I'll find it
[04:01] <ahoneybun> so the welcome page is done I think
[04:02] <valorie> I'll look at it when you're done
[04:02] <ahoneybun> I'm done with that right now I'm working on the Basic page
[04:02] <valorie> ok
[04:03] <ahoneybun> awesome http://userbase.kde.org/Plasma/Kickoff
[04:04] <valorie> yes, that's the best possible
[04:05] <ahoneybun> I'm linking to pages that already done, mostly ubuntu wiki, userbase, and techbase
[04:06] <valorie> excellent
[04:06] <valorie> every time we link instead of write, someone else will be doing the upkeep
[04:07] <ahoneybun> hows the welcome page?
[04:07] <valorie> the krunner userbase is excellent as well
[04:07] <valorie> http://userbase.kde.org/KRunner
[04:08] <ahoneybun> yes I;m going to include that is basic as well, no?
[04:09] <valorie> right
[04:09] <valorie> too many people don't know/use it
[04:09] <valorie> when it's effing awesome
[04:09] <ahoneybun> I know right!
[04:12] <valorie> the Welcome page is perfect, IMO
[04:12] <ahoneybun> thank you
[04:20] <ahoneybun> how is the layout on the Basic page with the linking to the subpages?
[04:20] <ahoneybun> managing and such
[04:32] <valorie> the link to quassel instead is to telepathy
[04:32] <valorie> you took out the sentence about Konversation?
[04:32] <valorie> it is the KDE irc client
[04:32] <valorie> I strongly feel it should be mentioned, at least
[04:34] <valorie> that isn't sour grapes, although it is still my favorite, and what I use daily
[04:36] <ahoneybun> did I?
[04:36] <ahoneybun> I don't remember removing it
[04:38] <ahoneybun> can you throw it back it?
[04:38] <valorie> well, it isn't there
[04:38] <ahoneybun> *back in
[04:38] <ahoneybun> oh
[04:38] <valorie> I wonder where it went, then
[04:38] <ahoneybun> let me see
[04:42] <ahoneybun> I don't remember it being in there
[04:45] <valorie> actually, there are a lot of my edits that aren't there
[04:45] <valorie> I wonder if I edited on an old page, and it wasn't copied over?
[04:46] <valorie> afaik, I was always editing on a current page
[04:46] <valorie> :(
[04:50] <ahoneybun> I know that something new was there one time
[04:51] <ahoneybun> I don't see anything 
[04:51] <ahoneybun> darn
[04:55] <valorie> bleah
[04:55] <valorie> not up for re-doing it tonight
[04:56] <valorie> I spent hours on that
[05:00] <ahoneybun> oh I'm sorry
[05:00] <ahoneybun> I wish I could find it
[05:01] <valorie> eh
[05:02] <valorie> we find it or we don't
[05:12] <ahoneybun> so the work look good so far other then losing your work
[05:16] <valorie> yes
[05:19] <ahoneybun> ok good, I'm going to get off
[05:19] <valorie> niters
[05:19] <valorie> I'll be around most of the weekend, unfortunately
[05:20] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[05:20] <ahoneybun> cool
[05:20] <ahoneybun> see ya
[10:37] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1184105] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184105 (by Petar Nedialkov)
[11:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:35] <soee> hiho
[11:38] <BluesKaj> it's off to work we go :)
[11:39] <soee> ;]
[11:53] <Mamarok> shouldn't there be a package now of Amarok 2.7.1? I can't find it
[12:11] <yofel> Mamarok: it's in saucy and I have untested backports in some PPA's of mine as it took a while to build, I'll look at it now 
[12:20] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1184127] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184127 (by Susan Cragin)
[12:27] <BluesKaj> yup, getting kde-runtime errors 
[12:27] <BluesKaj> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-runtime-data_4%3a4.10.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[12:27] <BluesKaj>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/plasmapkg.1.gz', which is also in package kde-runtime 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu1
[12:27] <BluesKaj> No apport report written because MaxReports is reached already
[12:27] <BluesKaj>  Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
[12:29] <BluesKaj> this is on 13.10
[12:32] <yofel> BluesKaj: just fixed it
[12:35] <BluesKaj> ok yofel thanks 
[12:38] <BluesKaj> still the same error 
[12:38] <yofel> I just *uploaded* it, will take a few hours till it's in saucy
[12:39]  * yofel goes fixing audiocd-kio
[12:40] <BluesKaj> good enough , ..yeah I removed the libaudiocdplugins4 dependency and installed kio-audiocd , earlier
[12:41] <yofel> yeah, that should do it, only kde-runtime needs the actual update or --force-overwrite
[12:52] <yofel> meh, missed a file conflict in kde-runtime
[12:57] <Mamarok> yofel: thanks a bunch :)
[13:21] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1184127] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184127 (by Susan Cragin)
[13:47] <yofel> Mamarok: PPA packages published in /backports for 12.04 and 12.10 and in /ppa for 13.04
[13:57] <Mamarok> yofel: cool, thank you very much :)
[14:36] <ahoneybun> yofel: so I need the ppa for 13.04 to get the update to 4.10.3?
[14:36] <yofel> ahoneybun: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa yeah
[14:39] <ahoneybun> yofel: will it not come to us as a update in the stardard repos?
[14:40] <yofel> if will if you're willing to wait another 2 weeks or so
[14:40] <yofel> or one if I find time to upload it tomorrow
[15:01] <Quintasan> Preposterous
[15:01] <Quintasan> yofel: I see, my bad there. I'm definitely out of shape, did you fix that or I should do it?
[15:01] <yofel> I fixed that
[15:02] <Quintasan> Thanks.
[15:11] <ahoneybun> yofel: is there anything big in that update worth not waiting?
[15:12] <yofel> ahoneybun: I'm not aware of anything specific..
[15:32] <ahoneybun> yofel: I'm just going to jump to it for the bugfixes
[15:48] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:57] <genii-around> Hi. so just now on dist-upgrade, Saucy: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-runtime-data_4%3a4.10.3-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--install):      then: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/man/man1/plasmapkg.1.gz', which is also in package kde-runtime 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu1     I manually installed it from the cache with --force-overwrite and seems OK.
[17:00] <genii-around> With the --force-overwrite it also mentions a different file being overwritten: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/kde4/platformimports/touch/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so', which is also in package kde-runtime 4:4.10.3-0ubuntu1
[17:01]  * genii-around wanders tot he coffeepot
[17:34] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1184127] package kde-runtime-data 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite ... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1184127 (by Susan Cragin)
[20:58] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183030] package plasma-widgets-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to ov... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183030 (by Fila Kolodny)
[20:58] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183031] package kdm 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/k... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183031 (by Fila Kolodny)
[20:58] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1183032] package plasma-desktop 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1183032 (by Fila Kolodny)