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DanChapmanhey folks :D11:36
elfyhi DanChapman11:36
DanChapmanafternoon elfy, how is things going?11:37
elfygetting my head around writing testcases and then wondering about all the bzr stuff :)11:38
* elfy hates trying to follow videos ... 11:41
DanChapmanYeah i been battling with autopilot have finally got it now i think :D12:53
DanChapmani am terrible for following videos aswell12:54
DanChapmanelfy, what testcase you working on?12:54
DanChapmanI9812:56
DanChapmanballoons: ping13:02
elfyDanChapman: xchat13:35
DanChapmanelfy: would you mind reviewing my evince test?13:38
elfyI can of course13:39
DanChapmanis your launchpad nick elfy?13:39
elfyI'd get you to review the xchat one - but bzr is completely new to me and I went out and haven't got around to sowrking out what I need to do13:39
elfyDanChapman: yep13:39
DanChapmani can help you with bzr,13:40
elfyprobably :D13:41
elfyI'm registered and all that - but how I go from having a txt file of the xchat test on my machine to somewhere in bzr I have absolutely no idea :)13:41
DanChapmanAfter each change you want to submit first run 'bzr commit' and leave a note in the commit file thats come up in term.13:43
elfythis is a completely new testcase afaik13:43
DanChapmanmanual or autopilot?13:43
elfymanual13:44
elfyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/118351713:44
ubot5Launchpad bug 1183517 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Needed: Xchat" [Undecided,New]13:44
DanChapmanah i see right did you pull down a branch from  bzr branch lp:ubuntu-manual-tests13:45
elfyyea did that - I assume anyway, I've got that folder in my home now at least13:46
DanChapmanhave you created a file in the packages folder called xchat?13:47
elfyand the file I created is in that folder - /ubuntu-manual-tests/testcases/packages/13:47
elfyyea13:47
DanChapmancool so in term you just go to the packages directory and run bzr commit and add a note to sya what it is then to push it up...... hang on ill get you the link13:48
elfyI'm guessing I need to so something like bzr push lp:~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/googoddidIdothattright :p13:48
DanChapmanbzr push lp:~dpniel/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat but replace 'dpniel' with your luanchpad id13:48
DanChapmanyeah so after ub-man-tests/<whatever_you_want_to_call_your_branch_here>13:49
elfyERROR: Parent directory of lp~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat13:49
elfyis that because I've not got a branch of my own yet?13:50
elfyDanChapman: ^^13:50
DanChapmanhas it worked elfy?13:51
elfybrb13:51
elfyno - got error ^^13:52
elfyif I did bzr push lp:~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xubuntu would that create a place in my LP page for me to push things like xchat to ?13:53
elfysome of us went to school and had to use slide rules and logtables as calculators were still a gleam in someone's eye :D13:55
elfyhi SergioMeneses13:55
DanChapmanthat would create a xubuntu branch on manualtests for you13:55
DanChapmanI had to use logtables last year as part of my uni course, i did not enjoy that :)13:56
elfyI'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual#Finish_Formatting_and_verify_your_test13:56
SergioMeneseselfy, morning!13:56
elfyno I'm not I'm trying to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ContributingTestcases/Manual#Contribute_your_new_test.21 lol13:57
elfybah13:58
SergioMenesesDanChapman, and what is logtables?13:58
elfywiring up a jumbo jet is easy compared to this13:58
elfySergioMeneses: http://www.sliderules.info/a-to-z/log-tables.htm13:59
DanChapmanYeah that wiki page is correct elfy, is it still not working?13:59
elfyI don't know - not done it yet - was asking if that was right :)14:00
elfywhat is YOURBRANCHNAME ?14:00
SergioMeneseselfy, oh14:00
elfysomewhere that I put things that I can then push to the main thing?14:00
DanChapmanYOURBRANCHNAME can be anything you want so xChat or Xubuntu or MyBranch are all valid and it creates a branch with that name14:01
elfybecause quite frankly all the wiki pages are as clear as mud if you don't actually know what these things are14:01
elfywoohoo14:02
elfyhttps://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat14:03
DanChapman:D all good elfy?14:03
elfyso you'd do that for each test you wrote then?14:03
elfyno - that doesn't make any sense to me at all14:04
DanChapmanYeah for each new one. When you propose for it to be merged and it is accepted that branch gets merged into the main branch and basically dissapears.14:04
elfyso how do I get the xchat testcase that I did there14:04
elfythis is all I am afraid as clear as mud14:05
DanChapmandid you run bzr commit before pushing it?14:05
elfywhy would I?14:05
elfyI have been trying to say this is all new ;)14:05
elfybut thanks for trying to help DanChapman :)14:07
DanChapmanThats fine elfy :) it commits the changes you have made (creating the xchat test) to bzr locally. Then when you push up to your branch it pushes the commits you made locally14:07
DanChapmanso when in the packages directory in terminal just type bzr commit and nano pops up asking for a comment14:07
DanChapmanType first commit or something14:08
elfydo I have to bzr add ?14:08
DanChapmanThen use your bzr push command to push it up to launchpad14:08
DanChapmanjust commit is enough14:09
elfythatgot me an error14:09
DanChapmansaying?14:09
elfyto bzr add - which I did - then commit got Committed revision 107.14:09
elfyso now I push?14:09
DanChapmanyes push now :D14:10
elfyyep - that worked :)14:10
elfyhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat/revision/107#testcases/packages/xchat14:11
DanChapmanit should now be in launchpad in your branch's packages folder14:11
DanChapmanthats it :D14:11
DanChapmanJust remeber first run bzr commit before you push14:11
elfyI'll copy all the stuff from here an terminal and sort it out so it makes some sense to me :)14:12
elfywhy does it have no number in the packages list - or does that get done when it's merged/accepted or whatever?14:12
elfyand how does it get put against the bug saying it needs to be done?14:13
DanChapmango to your branch code page14:15
elfyyep14:15
DanChapmanit should say link bug report half way down'ish14:16
elfyyep - put the whole url or just the number?14:17
DanChapmanjust the number with the # i think14:17
DanChapmanThe number gets assigned once merged btw14:18
elfyok14:18
elfymmm - so I put things in the box and nothing to say yes14:19
elfybug_id: got 'unicode', expected int: u'#1183517' some sort of error14:19
elfydone it14:21
elfyDanChapman: thank you for your help :)14:22
DanChapmanNo problem at all :D14:23
elfyI did my apprenticeship as an aircraft electrician and could wire up a plane for you - this was all getting me scratching my head :)14:24
DanChapmanI was the same once :)14:24
elfy:)14:25
elfytime to put the kettle on and do myself some crib notes :)14:25
elfyDanChapman: so I got those mails from you re evince14:31
elfybut I'm all a bit at sea right at the moment14:31
elfyDanChapman: one last question - what happens to this now that I've done what I've done14:39
DanChapmanIf its finished then on you branch code page click on propose for merging and add a little note.14:40
elfywell I'd say someone needs to check it :)14:41
elfyor do you propose for merging so that someone knows it needs to be looked at?14:42
DanChapmanWhen you propose you can request certain people to review it by putting in their launchpad nick.14:45
elfyok - would you?14:46
DanChapmanYeah no probs my nicks dpniel14:47
elfyleave target branch as defaulted I assume14:49
elfyok - done that - thanks very much for the patience and help DanChapman :)14:50
elfyDanChapman: I didn't realise the one you asked me to look at was an autopilot test - I have no idea even what I'm looking at just now14:54
DanChapmanNo worries elfy, i should have asked. Im just taking a look at yours now. I will remove you from review :)14:55
elfyok :)14:56
phillwelfy: I will be following your learning curve next week. I couldn't attend the last hackfest as I had had a DDoS attack and was busy cleaning up after it :(14:58
elfyphillw: that was autopilot stuff I thought?14:58
elfywhich is beyond me just now14:58
phillwit was test case hacking :)14:58
elfyoh right14:58
elfywell DanChapman helped me hack my way through it14:59
elfyI am writing some crib notes - on paper, with pen - relaxing :D14:59
phillwI've still to watch the introduction to bzr one :) Heck, RL and lubuntu seem to conspire against me at times :D14:59
elfy:)14:59
DanChapmanelfy, i left a comment on your testcase :D15:25
elfyDanChapman: thanks :)15:28
elfywhen I can work out how to actually see it I'll look lol15:28
elfyI can see the e-mail with the comments however, yea - wasn't sure how detailed to make it - if this is a test for when it's installed or from a livecd etc was my first thoughts15:30
DanChapmanyou should have got an email aswell with it in :D15:30
elfyI got the mail - just having trouble finding the comments in launchpad :)15:30
DanChapmanhttps://code.launchpad.net/~elfy/ubuntu-manual-tests/xchat/+merge/16574915:31
DanChapmanTake a look at the nautilus testcase i think it has a good combination of expected results and questions for reference15:32
elfyDanChapman: thanks - the question is how far to go, for instance "Like entering nicknames etc on the network list window." but make sure that any nick you enter isn't used by someone else as you'll end up being called guest9563715:33
elfyok - thanks for the tip - I sort of followed one of the other xubuntu type ones15:33
DanChapmanJust go as far as you think appropriate elfy :D. I think the thing with all testcases is they are a work in progress15:34
elfynot sure I'd worry too much about servers that aren't there is appropriate given that ubuntu servers and freenode are15:34
elfyok - I'll work on it and then find out the next step :)15:35
elfyDanChapman: but I understand what you're saying :)15:35
DanChapman:D15:36
phillwDanChapman: as part of my TODO list, I'm going to create a server that can support the wonderful things like iSCSI / samba / NFS etc.15:45
DanChapmanphillw, nice... what will that be for?15:49
TheLordOfTimeproof-of-concept?15:51
TheLordOfTime:P15:51
phillwDanChapman: I was tasked with making the test cases for server more 'human'. to get the test cases to be able to be run for those more esoteric tests, I have realised that creating a VM with  a unique ipV4 is the best (easiest) way forward.15:51
DanChapmanOooo sounds interesting, I hate setting up servers! be nice to have an easy way to test :D15:52
phillwHi TheLordOfTime how goes your day?... guess which VM address will be used :P15:52
TheLordOfTime:P15:52
TheLordOfTimephillw:  my day is going bleh15:52
TheLordOfTimebecause undisclosed reasons15:53
phillwTheLordOfTime: I do still have one ipV4 left, should you decide to re-install. You are not being evicted, I promise :)15:53
* TheLordOfTime yawns15:53
* TheLordOfTime isn't focusing on VMs atm15:54
TheLordOfTime... i am however absolutely in need of coffee... back in a few.15:54
phillwTheLordOfTime:  I'm still somewhat perplexed as to what causes that particular VM to "crash and burn".....  As I mentioned last night.15:55
DanChapmanphillw, i have made a start on doing this testcase https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1172452 would it not possibly be better to incorporate it into your suite of tests?15:56
ubot5Launchpad bug 1172452 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Testcase Needed: Server Upgrade Test" [High,In progress]15:56
phillwWe've even tried moving the ipV4.15:56
phillwDanChapman: thanks, whilst not overly busy on the test case re-writing, I do think that having a little server to be able to test on will reduce the fear and increase the number of people willing to test.15:58
phillwDanChapman: as it is VM, if everything goes horribly wrong... It just gets re-installed :)15:59
DanChapmanI agree, i remember the first time i installed ubuntu server, id only ever used windows server before that and had a horrible surprise when it had finished installing. I was like 'whats happened to the screen!' :P16:00
DanChapmanare you planning to run it through testdrive?16:01
phillwDanChapman: it is a server, I was un aware that testdrive handles servers? But, it will have 'X' installed so, if you have a decent speed internet link you could throw it a desktop system.16:02
phillwDanChapman: how many desktop people need iSCSI ?16:03
DanChapmanIm not sure about testdrive, just id seen you can download/test servers on there. Regarding how many people need iSCSI i have no idea i'm afraid, its not something i've dealt with directly before16:14
phillwDanChapman: IIRC, the testdrive people have been working on using either VBox or KVM to use testdrive for desktop testing. I'm not sure about equipping it to handle server test cases as they need fuller areas such as listed at http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/243/builds/42960/testcases16:18
njinbug 118406617:56
ubot5bug 1184066 in casper (Ubuntu) "Cannot boot live session [missed udevadm and udevd]" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118406617:56

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