[00:00] <daftykins> the cat command?
[00:00] <leolol> ok
[00:00] <leolol> no
[00:00] <leolol> the dhclient
[00:00] <daftykins> oh, did ctrl+c not get you back?
[00:01] <leolol> it did
[00:01] <leolol> but i tried it again
[00:01] <daftykins> ah ok
[00:01] <daftykins> yeah i don't think that one will help
[00:02] <leolol> it tells me: No such file or directory
[00:02] <daftykins> is it typed ok?
[00:02] <daftykins> cat /etc/network/interfaces
[00:02] <leolol> i'm checking
[00:02] <leolol> oh there's a space i missed
[00:03] <daftykins> by the way, saving these commands in a notepad file on your windows PC is a great way to make a 'cheat sheet' to learn from :)
[00:03] <leolol> yeah it has info in there
[00:03] <leolol> adress is wrong
[00:03] <daftykins> does it have many lines after 'auto eth0' ?
[00:03] <daftykins> ok :)
[00:03] <leolol> network too.. it's all my internet IP
[00:03] <leolol> gateway too
[00:03] <daftykins> cool
[00:03] <daftykins> so, what we want to do is edit those values to ones that will work
[00:03] <leolol> broadcast is also, just the last 3 digits are different (255 instead of 100)
[00:04] <daftykins> ok so you're going to use your first CLI text editor :O
[00:04] <leolol> good or bad? :P
[00:04] <daftykins> type 'sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces'
[00:04] <daftykins> good, exciting! :D
[00:04] <leolol> let me get something to drink :P
[00:04] <daftykins> i'm on beer #2
[00:04] <daftykins> i recommend this
[00:04] <daftykins> :>
[00:06] <leolol> i'm on loud music and water :P
[00:06] <leolol> you helped me more then ubuntuforums in 4 days lol
[00:06] <daftykins> XD
[00:07] <leolol> lets do this :D
[00:07] <daftykins> happy to help the first steps \o/
[00:07] <daftykins> i'm not all that experienced but i know the basics of CLI
[00:07] <leolol> like a toddler
[00:07] <leolol> :P
[00:07] <daftykins> ja baby steps ^_^
[00:08] <leolol> if i can do anything for you (i'm a graphic designer) just email me at felix.wenzl[at] gmail[dot]com
[00:09] <daftykins> oooo
[00:09] <daftykins> do you make logos for companies at all?
[00:09] <leolol> and btw those 1u rack servers are damn loud. lol
[00:09] <daftykins> haha yeah they are
[00:09] <leolol> i make a good amount of corporate identity yeah
[00:09] <daftykins> sweet :) thanks
[00:10] <leolol> help for help :)
[00:10] <leolol> so let's continue :D
[00:11] <daftykins> wow i added you in my gmail and it auto grabbed a Google+ pic
[00:11] <daftykins> ok, so now you should be inside 'nano' the text editor
[00:11] <daftykins> and looking at the contents of that configuration file
[00:11] <daftykins> you can use your cursor keys to move around to the lines that are wrong
[00:12] <penguin42> leolol: 1u servers aren't as loud as either 1) a rack full of 1u servers or  2) 4u servers
[00:12] <leolol> yeah google+ lol
[00:12] <daftykins> so, i'm guessing you should have 'address' 'netmask' and 'gateway'
[00:12] <leolol> how do i get into nano??
[00:12] <leolol> yeah i see those
[00:12] <daftykins> type 'sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces'
[00:12] <daftykins> you want 'gateway' to be 192.168.0.1, netmask to be '255.255.255.0'
[00:13] <daftykins> and 'address' you kind of get to pick - i'd recommend '192.168.0.100'
[00:13] <daftykins> nice and memorable
[00:13] <daftykins> hopefully nothing is already using that address on the network...
[00:13] <leolol> nope can't do that.. it just gets me to my last used command
[00:14] <leolol> tried that
[00:14] <leolol> but ut always opens a new command line beginning
[00:14] <daftykins> the sudo nano line?
[00:14] <leolol> *it
[00:15] <leolol> i type that cat /... etc. and i get the result, but i always makes a new line with felix@server
[00:15] <leolol> so i can't choose the things that i just got
[00:15] <daftykins> yeah 'cat' just spits out the contents of the file
[00:15] <leolol> ok
[00:15] <daftykins> sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
[00:15] <leolol> so i gotta access it
[00:15] <daftykins> ^ that opens the file with nano
[00:15] <leolol> ah ok
[00:15] <leolol> facepalm #3
[00:16] <daftykins> it also uses 'sudo' because we need to have the Linux equivalent of 'administrator' rights to edit this file :)
[00:16] <leolol> ok
[00:16] <leolol> so i start editing it
[00:17] <daftykins> yep
[00:17] <daftykins> you want 'gateway' to be 192.168.0.1, netmask to be '255.255.255.0', address to be '192.168.0.100'
[00:18] <leolol> now i need network, adress and broadcast
[00:18] <daftykins> those actually won't be necessary
[00:18] <diddledan_> network and broadcast can be deleted or set to .0 and .255 respectively
[00:18] <daftykins> well, address was
[00:18] <daftykins> i'd put a # symbol in front of the network and broadcast
[00:18] <leolol> yeah got adress
[00:19] <leolol> ok
[00:19] <leolol> both to .0?
[00:19] <daftykins> one sec i'll pastebin an example just so we're 100% ok
[00:20] <daftykins> http://pastebin.com/Fg3sQd1Z
[00:20] <daftykins> there you go i sort of just copied mine and edited it as an example to how yours should look
[00:20] <daftykins> it shouldn't matter what order the lines are in
[00:21] <leolol> x.x.x. or just .0?
[00:21] <daftykins> with the # at the start of the lines, we're telling it 'ignore this line' so it doesn't matter :)
[00:21] <daftykins> you could put 'broadcast BEER' and it won't care :D
[00:22]  * daftykins broadcasts beer to diddledan_ 
[00:22] <leolol> ah ok thought so
[00:22] <diddledan_> \o/
[00:22] <leolol> wht kinda beer btw? :D
[00:22] <leolol> *what
[00:23] <daftykins> i'm just drinking some horrible stuff a friend left at my house
[00:23] <daftykins> Fosters :(
[00:23] <daftykins> normally i like ales
[00:23] <diddledan_> "good call" "huru"
[00:23] <diddledan_> I asked an aussie friend whether she knew the term huru and she'd never heard of it
[00:23] <leolol> ales are the brigher colored ones?
[00:24] <daftykins> i like dark ales 8)
[00:24] <leolol> not familiar with the english terms for beer
[00:24] <daftykins> schwarz ale 8D
[00:24] <leolol> ok
[00:24] <daftykins> leolol: so once you're happy, press ctrl + X to save
[00:24] <leolol> like a dark ale is a bit strnger then a regular beer? (not talking about those light light light american beers)
[00:25] <daftykins> yeah strong with a specific taste
[00:25] <leolol> what should i change the dns nameserver too?
[00:25] <daftykins> oh it's got more
[00:25] <daftykins> 192.168.0.1 as well
[00:25] <leolol> yeah we got awesome beer in austria :)
[00:26] <daftykins> interesting...
[00:26] <daftykins> do you have any local ale events?
[00:26] <leolol> i think isaved it
[00:27] <leolol> mhmm in vienna for sure
[00:27] <leolol> but also in the countryside
[00:27] <daftykins> yeah it should have asked you Y/N/cancel
[00:27] <daftykins> so Y for yes of course
[00:27] <daftykins> then it asks to confirm the file name
[00:27] <leolol> a restaurant i go topretty often when i'm visiting family
[00:27] <leolol> has like 40 beers
[00:27] <leolol> i confirmed
[00:27] <daftykins> "File Name to Write: interfaces"
[00:27] <daftykins> then you just hit enter
[00:28] <daftykins> then you're out and back at the prompt yep?
[00:28] <daftykins> 40 beers :O sounds great
[00:28] <leolol> yiha
[00:28] <daftykins> i love trying new ales
[00:28] <leolol> out of that notepad thingy too
[00:28] <daftykins> cool
[00:28] <daftykins> so now we want to tell it to reconfigure the network interface with those new values
[00:28] <leolol> from dark, to bright everything :D
[00:28] <leolol> one's called "deer beer" :P
[00:29] <daftykins> 'sudo service networking restart' should do it
[00:29] <leolol> ok
[00:29] <daftykins> hehehe
[00:29] <leolol> so what command? :)
[00:29] <leolol> ok
[00:29] <leolol> it isn't scrolling automatically here..
[00:29] <daftykins> i think it's 'networking', might be 'network'
[00:29] <daftykins> did it go off the bottom of the screen?
[00:31] <leolol> one says unknown instance (netowkring)
[00:31] <leolol> and the other one says unrcognized service
[00:31] <daftykins> hrmmph
[00:31] <leolol> the website?
[00:31] <leolol> yeah it's not auto scrlooing
[00:32] <leolol> scrolling
[00:32] <daftykins> so when you type new commands is it just becoming unreadable?
[00:32] <daftykins> i'm not sure i understand what's happening
[00:32] <leolol> no
[00:32] <leolol> i can read it
[00:33] <daftykins> ok instead of above, try 'sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart'
[00:33] <leolol> talking about the website here not ubuntu
[00:33] <leolol> :)
[00:33] <daftykins> oh ok
[00:34] <leolol> it is reconfiguring the interfaces
[00:34] <daftykins> sweet
[00:34] <daftykins> ping 192.168.0.1 should work now :O
[00:34] <leolol> ok
[00:34] <leolol> it says
[00:35] <leolol> running /etc/init.d/networking restart is deprecated because it may not enable again some interfaces
[00:35] <leolol> dono if that's normal
[00:35] <leolol> ^^
[00:35] <daftykins> yeah, that's ok, it's basically saying 'daftykins doesn't know the real command, he's a BAD person'
[00:35] <leolol> ok i try that
[00:36] <leolol> nope
[00:36] <leolol> it had something with 192.168.0.1 but now it is on .100 and says unreachable
[00:37] <daftykins> do you have a smartphone / camera you can take pictures of the screen with and upload to imgur.com or some similar site?
[00:37] <leolol> noep nothing
[00:37] <leolol> sure
[00:37] <daftykins> if you type 'ifconfig -a'
[00:37] <daftykins> then take a picture please
[00:37] <leolol> you got skype?
[00:38] <daftykins> yep
[00:38] <leolol> i could point a webcam at what i do
[00:38] <daftykins> sounds good \o/
[00:38] <daftykins> <-- username
[00:38] <leolol> added
[00:50] <daftykins> he wasn't joking
[00:50] <daftykins> it's loud ^_^
[03:35] <daftykins> http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-035-OC
[03:35] <daftykins> 100GB 'SATA 2' SSD for £49.99 inc
[03:35] <ali1234> nice
[03:36] <ali1234> you can get 1TB HDD for same price now too
[03:36] <ali1234> seems the prices are finally starting to drop again
[03:37] <ball> ...and there's me juggling files to free up space on a 20G PATA drive.
[03:37] <ali1234> haha
[03:37] <daftykins> oh hey ball. long time no see
[03:38] <daftykins> you were penguin42's partner in crime for running ancient hardware right? :D
[03:38] <ali1234> i spent the last two days juggling files across about 3TB of total space so i could image a 500GB drive for recovery
[03:38] <ball> Probably :-)
[03:38] <ali1234> and then it turned out to be the wrong drive anyway
[03:38] <daftykins> you know, HD films make saturated gigabit LAN feel slow :(
[08:09] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:37] <bigmonkey> irc.UK-IRC.net
[09:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:27] <MooDoo> morning
[09:28] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:43] <knightwise> hey brobostigon
[09:43] <brobostigon> morning knightwise
[12:27] <first-time-here> hi
[12:27] <first-time-here> i cant do "cat /dev/video0" i get "cat: /dev/video0: Invalid argument"
[12:31] <penguin42> I'm not sure what the mechanisms for reading video are - not all devices have to respond to normal read/writes
[12:33] <penguin42> first-time-here: The package 'motion' is a way that has worked for me for recording video easily before
[12:34] <first-time-here> penguin42: i want to make stream of my webcam
[12:34] <AndreAM> hello! it's me again. is there anyone who would know how to fix this please: http://askubuntu.com/questions/299789/experiencing-problems-while-trying-to-upgrade-to-pangolin
[12:39] <AlanBell> hi AndreAM I would definitely go for a reinstall, without overwriting the home directory - and backup first
[12:39] <penguin42> first-time-here: Yeh, I used motion to do that
[12:40] <penguin42> first-time-here: Also try guvcview
[12:41] <AlanBell> or vlc, you can stream a webcam with vlc
[14:22] <MartijnVdS> you can stream anything with vlc :)
[14:31] <MartijnVdS> is it june yet?
[15:31] <SuperEngineer> boo!
[15:35] <daftykins> waaa D:
[15:43] <MartijnVdS> eeee!
[15:46] <daftykins> ^_^
[15:48] <SuperEngineer> so cool to have a 3 day break instead of working [what seems like] most weekends as as weekdays :)
[15:49] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: I've had 2 weeks (+ 2 days) off, have to work again on Monday :|
[15:49] <daftykins> :D
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: Monday?  tell them it's a bank hol in UK and to be politically coorect you need to observe it!
[15:50] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: nah we had one last Monday.. and the thursday the week before that
[15:50] <SuperEngineer> lucky whatits#
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> *whatsits
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: blame it on the Catholics ;)
[15:51] <SuperEngineer> :)
[15:51] <MartijnVdS> ascension day and "the day after pentecost"
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> "the day after pentecost"???
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: yeah we extend easter and pentecost by one day, so you get the Monday off work
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> it's our version of your bank holidays really
[15:52] <SuperEngineer> typical - to laid back to do it on the day ;)
[15:52] <MartijnVdS> but more catholic
[15:54] <daftykins> guys, i was asked to help out with this person doing an EFI install of ubuntu 13.04
[15:54] <daftykins> apparently 12.04 worked fine in the past
[15:55] <daftykins> i noticed from repeated questioning and experimentation that, in their two drive setup, the intended boot drive (an SSD) is attached to a Marvell 6Gb SATA controller, whilst the 3TB storage drive is attached to the 3Gb SATA ports provided by the intel chipset
[15:56] <daftykins> warning bells go off for me for mixing SATA controller, i'd rather have had the SSD on the intel provided 6Gb SATA not the external Marvell controller
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> that might be the problem.. shouldn't be, but might be
[15:56] <daftykins> any thoughts?
[15:56] <MartijnVdS> I'd put it on the intel and try again
[15:56] <daftykins> apparently 13.04 installs, but at boot time GRUB says something like 'no such partition'
[15:57] <daftykins> yeah - i was having a hard time convincing this person to feel up to touching the hardware ;x
[15:57] <daftykins> based on the very acceptable view that 'it worked with 12.04'
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> well yes
[15:57] <daftykins> although of course kernel support for the different controllers could be what's going wrong
[15:57] <MartijnVdS> maybe the system is confused (or the EFI partition is confused?)
[15:58] <daftykins> yeah, there is a total GPT/MBR headache going on too
[15:58] <daftykins> i want the 3TB disk to be disconnected completely for the install
[15:58] <daftykins> so that the SSD is there on its' own
[15:58] <daftykins> because throughout the whole thing (i'm like the 4th person getting involved or something) the SSD has been sdb
[15:59] <daftykins> i tend to be pretty perfectionist about all OS installs, you'd never get me allowing my OS drive to be anything other than the primary
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> it should not be a problem
[16:04] <MartijnVdS> as long as the 3TB disk doesn't have an EFI partition (and the SSD does)
[16:04] <daftykins> apparently the 3TB is GPT'd also - it has evidence of having had Windows on it before
[16:04] <daftykins> and the 3 partition setup
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> 3TB has to be GPT, I think? because MBR only supports up to 2TB?
[16:07] <daftykins> yep
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> but GPT isn't the issue, the EFI boot partition is
[16:07] <daftykins> i'd rather run the install with just the SSD connected just to rule it out personally
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> if both disks have EFI partitions, one with "old" 12.04 grub, one with "new" 13.04 grub, it'll probably confuse itself
[16:08] <daftykins> yeah that's the other thing, we don't 100% know the 'state' of each disk
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> Time to break out the backup disks and wipe before reinstalling ;)
[16:08] <daftykins> the Asus motherboard's boot options refer to the Windows Loader being present, so there might be remnants of a Windows 7/8 install on the 3TB i think
[16:08] <daftykins> hehe, yeah apparently the SSD is easily nuked
[16:08] <daftykins> so that should make some of it easy
[16:09] <daftykins> i was almost tempted, in googling about, to ask them to run this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/bootinfoscript/
[16:09] <MartijnVdS> good idea
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> whoopee! just found why the last few kernel updates have done the headers but not the kernel!
[16:10] <daftykins> :o?
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> the generic package is no longer installed [probably removed during an over zealous clear up long time ago]
[16:10] <daftykins> hehe oops
[16:10] <SuperEngineer> but which should I reinstall?
[16:10] <daftykins> so you were getting the latest version header package but staying on the oldest kernel you had on?
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> linux-generic?
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> linux image-generic?
[16:11] <daftykins> may as well
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> linux-generic = ok
[16:11] <daftykins> unless any more specific flavour benefits you
[16:11] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: thanks
[16:11] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: (hint: probably not ;))
[16:12] <daftykins> :D
[16:12] <SuperEngineer> daftykins: only if there is a "banana" or "coffee" flavour ;)
[16:12] <daftykins> mmm coffee
[16:12] <daftykins> i just had a late lunch from Costa
[16:12] <daftykins> the carrot cake is still sat on my desk...
[16:12] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: speaking of coffee: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/bieren/
[16:12] <daftykins> the caramel latte was great as always \o/
[16:13] <daftykins> this is the trouble with living right on the high street of the islands capital
[16:13] <daftykins> the Costa and 3 other cofffe shops are all within 50m of my front door
[16:13] <daftykins> :>
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: My brothers made those beers, one has coffee in it (they used 8l on a 300l tank)
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: which island is that? or are you rich? ;)
[16:14] <daftykins> lol no not rich
[16:14] <daftykins> Guernsey
[16:14] <daftykins> we're in the news a lot for Cameron being angry at tax havens
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> Also, I wonder what "the high street" of London would be
[16:14] <daftykins> :D
[16:14] <MartijnVdS> it seems to have several
[16:14] <daftykins> ours is a road literally called 'High Street' XD
[16:15] <daftykins> http://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=49.456106,-2.536581&spn=0.0034,0.003932&t=m&z=18
[16:15] <daftykins> \o/
[16:16] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: hmm your brothers and I have something in common
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: lots of noms de rues françaises
[16:16] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: coffee and beer?
[16:16] <daftykins> indeed, 'tis a very French influenced place :)
[16:17] <daftykins> hearing English / tourists pronounce place names is hilarious
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it's probably like my GPS
[16:17]  * SuperEngineer used to be a [rather good] brewer
[16:17] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: hehehe
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: when I was driving to Cornwall, its Dutch voice was pronouncing all the names
[16:17] <daftykins> lmao
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: and that makes lots of place names come out French-ish
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> (places ending in "-mouth" come to mind)
[16:19] <daftykins> XD
[16:19] <daftykins> hrmm
[16:20] <daftykins> i was over at my parents last night, doing stuff on their ancient Athlon XP + nforce2 setup i put together years ago from spares
[16:20] <daftykins> the hard disk is streaming hardware ECC errors in its' SMART info
[16:20] <daftykins> i changed the PATA ribbon cable first naturally, but it kept going - probably going to die catastrophically some day isn't it? :D
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> eeeek
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> Once SMART starts to cry, you run to the store
[16:21] <daftykins> *nod*
[16:21] <daftykins> too true
[16:21] <daftykins> although PATA - won't be buying anything fresh of that :D
[16:21] <daftykins> sadly it's one of the two Abit NF7 boards that doesn't have the Silicon Image 3112a based SATA ports :<
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> but.. they've been saving money for a new computer.. right? :)
[16:21] <daftykins> hahaha
[16:21]  * SuperEngineer loves the phrase "donker bier" [even if he does know the tanslation - it sounds good ;)
[16:21] <daftykins> blowing it on constant home 'improvements' =/
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: "donker" = dark
[16:22] <daftykins> crazy old girl is after replacing the entire kitchen again
[16:22] <daftykins> there's nothing wrong with it >_<
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: They've just "gone pro" after a crowd-funding run among friends and family, these are their first 2 beers (after brewing almost 50 one-off homebrews)
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: I wish the the very best of luck
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> all free samples this way please - purely for quality control of course ;)
[16:26] <MartijnVdS> SuperEngineer: they'll be in the UK in August I think
[16:28] <SuperEngineer> MartijnVdS: cool
[16:28]  * SuperEngineer looks forward to free samples ;()
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> back in 90 minutes - f1 qualifying replay time  :-)
[16:36] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: have you got any experience with uEFI Ubuntu installs at all? i'm wondering if you can tell / choose whether you boot 13.04 in legacy mode
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I did one once.. but it was a clean install on a clean system
[16:45] <daftykins> i wonder if i can EFI install in a VM
[16:45] <daftykins> probably not
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/OVMF
[16:46] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: + http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/52996/how-to-boot-efi-kernel-using-qemu-kvm
[16:46] <daftykins> ah i don't run Linux on the desktop
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> VMWare can do EFI guestsd
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> vbox seems to be able to do efi guests as well
[16:47] <daftykins> hmmz
[16:51] <daftykins> time to download 13.04 for fun
[17:02] <daftykins> wow 13.04 still has the same ugly boot logo and menu on the liveCD
[17:05] <daftykins> < Parsi> sudo dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/sda6
[17:06] <daftykins> got some guy that ran that on his windows partition :X
[17:41] <daftykins> hmm, indeed there appears to be no information regarding what *form* of partition table ubuntu creates during install
[18:06] <daftykins> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[18:06] <daftykins> ok this has been pretty handy to learn a bit more
[18:10] <popey> ¡ola!
[18:10] <daftykins> hi popey
[18:10] <daftykins> oops nearly called you pipey
[19:17] <Laney> put that in your pope and smoke it
[19:28] <daftykins> Laney: :D
[19:28] <daftykins> pub time
[19:57] <mungbean> trying to sort out my ISAs ...what a pain
[19:58] <Laney> not looking forward to having to transfer mine later this year
[19:58] <Laney> stupid bonus periods
[19:59] <mungbean> modern life is stressful
[19:59] <mungbean> 1 day per year to sort out ISA
[19:59] <mungbean> another to sort out home insurance
[19:59] <mungbean> then car insurance, etc, etc
[20:00] <mungbean> because everything is designed to rip you off
[20:00] <mungbean> not to mention phone line/broadband
[20:02] <mungbean> nationwide isa.interest rate 2.25% until sep 2014..then 0.5%
[20:04] <penguin42> mungbean: THey normally get a bit more desperate at the end of the tax year
[20:09] <mungbean> this is cool flight sim vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hipWoINtJX0
[20:35] <ball> Is there software for Ubuntu or Xubuntu that can write music files to an Apple iPod Nano (in a form that it can play)?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> rhythmbox?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> just drag the file to the device?
[20:36] <MartijnVdS> maybe banshee?
[20:37] <ball> Oh. I thought the iPod needed some sort of database "thing" made on it before it would play the files.
[20:37] <MartijnVdS> it does
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> and banshee knows how to handle that
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> and rhythmbox
[20:38] <ball> Oh.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> if it's not the newest possible version
[20:38] <ball> I'll see if I can install one of those on her PC then.
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> sometimes the very latest versions don't work
[20:38] <MartijnVdS> because Apple wants you to use Apple hard/software ONLY
[20:39]  * ball nods
[20:39] <ball> vendor lock-in.
[20:40] <ball> If I were buying her a music player, it wouldn't be an iPod.  Her mum has an old one though.
[20:40] <ball> iPod Nano 4th gen. I think.
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> old ones tend to be fine (because they've been reverse-engineered)
[20:40] <ball> Too new for Rockbox but hopefully old enough for Rhythmbox
[21:33] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[21:40]  * ball waves
[22:29]  * penguin42 yawns