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* Kilos greets the weekenders06:59
georgelappieshiya Kilos 07:35
charl_good afternoon10:37
charl_Maaz: coffee on10:37
* Maaz flips the salt-timer10:37
Kiloshi charl_ 10:40
KilosMaaz, coffee please10:40
MaazKilos: Okay10:40
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!10:41
KilosMaaz, danke10:41
MaazBitteschön10:41
charl_Maaz: thanks10:58
Maazcharl_: Sure10:58
charl_what happened to xdm on ubuntu 13.0410:58
charl_it seems to be kaput10:58
charl_it always used to work for me on old debian/ubuntu installations, haven't tried it on the latest debian yet though10:59
charl_hi Kilos 10:59
Kiloscaput? in what way11:00
Kilosno gui?11:00
charl_completely defunct - something appears but i don't even see a space to enter username or password11:00
charl_no there is something running inside of x11:01
charl_tried it at work yesterday, unfortunately don't have a screenshot now to post11:01
Kilosctrl+alt+f2 gives you what11:01
Kilosyou mught need to disable the boot splash screen11:01
Kilosmight11:01
charl_no there was no boot splash screen installed11:02
charl_it was an ubuntu server installation with xorg xdm and openbox installed11:02
Kilosso you cant even get to a terminal thing11:02
charl_no i can go to all the other terminals11:02
charl_ctrl+alt11:02
Kilosserver?11:02
Kiloshehe11:02
charl_ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc11:02
charl_yes because that comes with no desktop installed11:02
Kiloswhy you installing a server then a gui?11:03
charl_it's the closest thing to debian "plain"11:03
Kiloswhen i wanted to the guys jumped on me11:03
charl_it's not a server, it's supposed to be a desktop11:03
charl_i just took the server iso because it has no gui installed11:03
charl_by default, i mean11:03
Kilosfirst install aptitude11:03
charl_so i can install my own packages as i want to later11:04
charl_what does aptitude have to do with it? sorry am not following11:04
Kilosthen use aptitude to reinstall your gui stuff11:04
charl_ah i see, i heard aptitude has better dependency management than apt-get11:04
Kilosaptitude gives nice explanations of what needs fixing and removing11:04
Kilosi find it more user friendly11:05
Kilosand it accepts the reinstall command11:05
Kilosapt-get has to have --reinstall at the end11:05
charl_afaik aptitude is only better when removing packages, not when installing them, but i could be wrong11:06
charl_hmmmm not sure if that will fix it but i guess i could try11:06
Kilosno man its always better11:06
charl_well, apart from the user interface, but i don't care about that :)11:06
Kilosalso it tells you what is missing and gives workarponds etc11:06
charl_ok i'll try it11:07
charl_strange thing is, i never used to have problems with this on older versions of some years ago11:07
charl_i am starting to get the idea that ubuntu is less "hacker friendly" than debian11:07
charl_in more ways than one11:07
Kilosmaybe they done something with x11:07
Kilosi think i member something about it11:08
charl_i am strongly considering going back to debian though, especially after the release of debian 711:08
charl_i took crunchbang for a spin the other day, also very impressive11:09
Kilosreally11:09
charl_in fact, i might just go with that11:09
Kilosthats what the monkey uses11:09
charl_the monkey? i hope you're not talking about the politicians :)11:10
Kiloskbmonkey man11:10
Kilosthe weenie11:10
charl_oh :)11:10
charl_the other thing i like about debian is javapackage for when you need to use the official oracle java instead of openjdk11:12
charl_they took it over in ubuntu 12.10 but the thing is broken, it creates a package which has the wrong "provides" for ubuntu11:12
Kilosi dunno! my 12.04 works in three flavours11:13
charl_meaning that if you install some other packages that depend on java, it will install openjdk alongside oracle java11:13
Kilosah11:13
charl_then you first have to fix that by repackaging the generated package11:13
charl_i should try it in ubuntu 13.04, it's probably already fixed11:13
charl_but gah, i feel the world just needs to move to openjdk ;)11:14
Kiloshehe11:16
Kilosmagespawn, did the gui install on a server but dunno what all he did11:17
charl_if you install a proper desktop package like ubuntu-desktop it should work fine11:17
Kilosoh you can also try aptitude install ubuntu-desktop11:17
Kiloshehe11:17
charl_yeah no i am trying to set up a minimalist desktop with only the components i need11:18
charl_so that's kind-of against the point :)11:18
Kilosthen why didnt you do a minimal install11:18
Kiloslike squirm does11:18
charl_how do you mean? that's what i'm trying to do :)11:19
charl_what did he do?11:19
Kiloslemme try find out11:19
charl_he/she11:19
Kilos13.04 hey?11:19
charl_yes11:19
Kiloshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD11:20
charl_no that's not the idea11:20
charl_"The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation time instead of providing them on the install CD itself."11:20
charl_but then you still install the full desktop right?11:21
Kilosi dunno11:21
Kiloswhy not just install 13.04 as it comes?11:21
charl_i'm trying to cut down the footprint to the absolute minimum11:22
charl_standard ubuntu is too bloated11:22
charl_even kubuntu and xubuntu11:22
charl_lubuntu is probably the best but i want to go even smaller11:22
charl_it's for a VM11:22
Kilosisnt the gui thing gonna do that anyway11:22
charl_no i want to install the absolute minimum of gui components11:22
charl_you don't need much inside a VM11:22
charl_it's for something similar to what i did with DPR more than a year ago https://github.com/ushahidi/dpr/11:23
charl_except i want to use ubuntu instead of debian11:23
charl_and for a slightly different purpose11:23
charl_or like what i did here, but then inside a VM https://github.com/ushahidi/Ubuntu_MacBook_Pro_8.1/blob/master/openbox.sh11:25
charl_wow i used to work on some crazy stuff :)11:25
Kiloshehe you okes like hard work11:27
Kilosxubuntu is light11:27
charl_it's called having too much time on your hands :P11:28
Kilosno comparison with ubuntu and kubuntu11:28
charl_no i think i might just end up going with lubuntu11:28
charl_or just move back to debian and stick to crunchbang11:28
Kilosi find xubuntu very different with home on the desktop11:32
charl_i don't like xfce sorry11:32
charl_i just don't, personal thing11:32
Kilosand it showing all drives and partitions on the desktop11:32
charl_my ocd doesn't like a cluttered desktop ;)3;2~11:33
charl_wow what did i press to get that :S11:33
charl_i can't even reproduce it now11:33
charl_ok i need to go do some offline stuff11:38
charl_bbl11:38
Kiloshehe kubuntu got the cleanest desktop11:41
Squirmmorning12:04
Kiloshi Squirm 12:04
Squirmafternoon*12:04
Squirmcharl_: I installed a minimal version of debian12:06
Squirmpekwm as my window manager12:06
SquirmPCManFM as my file manager12:06
Squirmtint2 as my panel12:06
Squirmnow I just use Mint MATE. Gnome 2 was nice and uncluttered12:07
Squirmnice one chrome, just use up all my CPU as well. Like eating all my ram isn't bad enough12:09
Kiloshehe12:09
Squirmhmm12:09
Squirmit was my Facebook home page12:09
Squirm350mb of RAM and 90%+ CPU usage12:09
Squirmopened it again and all seems well12:10
Squirmhmm12:10
trenderthe browser eats everything up man12:26
trenderthats the main hog on the pc12:26
Kilosuse empathy or opera12:28
Kiloslo Vince-0 12:36
Vince-0hi Kilos12:37
Squirmsuperfly: did your S3 slow down when you upgraded to 4.2.1?12:51
Kiloshi Guest9705 12:52
Kilosthe fly is travelling Squirm 12:52
Kiloson his way to natal12:52
Squirmooh12:52
Squirmwhat's he doing this side?12:52
Kilosholiday in a decent place12:53
Kiloswith good weather12:53
Kilosi spose he will take a day or two to get there, i think hes stopping over on the way to cut the distance 12:56
Squirmwhere's he holidaying?12:59
Squirmdurbs?12:59
Kilossouth coast then durbs for an ubuntu hour then up to magespawn 12:59
Squirmcool13:08
Squirmwhens ubuntu hour?13:08
Kilosi dunno you guys are supposed to be arranging it13:09
Kilosnuvolari, and some others13:09
Squirmok13:09
SquirmI should read the list13:36
SquirmI get the digest but I never read it13:36
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KilosVince-0, werent you involved with nuvolari in regard to an ubuntu hour there that the fly will attend14:59
Vince-0eyey15:02
Kilosso whats happening?15:03
Vince-0ya we talked about it, havn't got a scheduled, venue confirmed15:03
Vince-0I expect to speak with those peeps on Thursday15:03
Kiloswell the fly has started his journey15:03
Kilosnot sure when he will be there15:03
Vince-0I'll prod the kbmonkey and nuvolari 15:04
Kiloscool ty15:04
charl_Kilos: it depends on how you configure kubuntu but i feel kde has also been getting rather bloated, even though i am impressed with kde 4.10 overall15:11
charl_Squirm: i used openbox as my wm, thunar as my file manager and also tint2 as my panel15:11
charl_Squirm: i tried mint mate but i rather disliked it, never really was a big fan of gnome (ever), personally15:12
charl_ok responded to the backlog :)15:13
charl_was just out visiting a friend, she had an accident and is recovering at home right now15:13
Squirmnice thing about linux, you can choose whatever you want :) or make your own :P 15:26
Squirmcharl_: she alright?15:26
SquirmVince-0: would it be next weekend?15:27
Squirmmeh, if it is I can't make it :/ RHCE exam on Friday15:27
Kilostry find out from the fly when he will get to durbs guys15:28
charl_Squirm: yeah it happened about 4 weeks ago, but it was a bad accident15:28
charl_will still take some time to recover from it :(15:28
charl_but re linux, yeah that's what i love about it too15:29
Squirmoh wow15:29
Squirmoooh, got the new Google maps :)15:29
Vince-0Squirm: I15:31
Kiloshi nlsthzn 15:31
nlsthznhoe lyk dit, hoe lyk dit?15:31
Vince-0'm not sure - waiting on a venue plan15:31
nlsthznhiya uncle Kilos :) how is SA today, slightly wintery or not yet?15:35
Kilosyeah cold16:00
nlsthznsorry, technical issues16:15
Kilosnp16:17
Kilosthats life nowadays16:18
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nlsthznwelcome to the cloud16:18
nlsthznpreviously known as the internet16:18
Kiloslol i dont do cloud stuff16:18
Kilossurely keeping stuff in cloud places isnt as safe as on your pc?16:33
nlsthznuntil your hdd dies and you have nothing .... both have pro's and con's...16:34
Kilosoh if you only got one drive in pc ya16:34
Kilosim straining my poor pc here got three internal drives and maverick outside on one of them ide usb bridge thing16:35
Kiloss16:35
nlsthznhouse burns down taking everything with it... and at the same time an earthquake buries a friends house where your other back-up drive is kept... and a fungis has killed all the dvd backups ....16:36
Kiloslol16:36
nlsthzn:p16:36
charl_how is that different from having something in the "cloud"16:42
charl_say you have a replication factor of 316:42
charl_one data centre burns down, another one is buried in an earthquake, and the third one gets eaten by giant space aliens16:42
Kilosstuff in the cloud is more open to bad peeps methinks16:42
Kiloslol16:42
charl_just as stuff in your house is open to bad people if somebody breaks down the door and steals your stuff16:43
Kilosoh ya16:43
Kilosat least here i can swing a stick16:43
charl_lol yeah when you're at home yes16:43
Kilosand throw lead pills16:43
charl_lol, "pills"16:44
charl_i love that16:44
charl_a pill to cure any evil ;)16:44
nlsthzncharl_:that was the point I was trying to make... each has merit16:44
charl_yeah exactly16:44
charl_the thing is this, i want people to stop with this abstraction called the "cloud"16:44
charl_data still needs to be stored on physical devices16:44
charl_you can't keep n-copies of the data spread all over the world for free16:45
Kilosya but no 3g costs when its on your pc16:45
Kiloscloud uses data 16:45
Kilosuncapped okes are fine16:45
charl_devices cost money to run and maintain, and they have to run in physical data centres etc16:45
charl_yeah 3g is too expensive and limited16:47
charl_that's why i love the eduroam "blanked"16:47
charl_"blanket" i mean16:47
nlsthznthe new google search is pretty epic... natural language search ftw :)16:47
charl_but we need something like that for outside of university environments too16:47
charl_nlsthzn: link?16:47
nlsthznjust did a search "my photos with people" and got a hit of my photo's on G+ with people in them :p16:48
charl_ah i see16:48
charl_does it work outside of g+ 16:48
charl_(i don't use it)16:48
nlsthznafaik google only analysis photo's you have on G+16:49
nlsthznthe search with cats not working so well :/16:49
charl_it sounds cool though16:49
nlsthznsome of the things google busy with is awesome...16:50
charl_google should buy wolfram alpha or hire wolfram16:50
nlsthznyeah wolfram also blows my mind daily :p16:50
nlsthznnice to see the stormers getting a win...16:52
charl_here's another company they should buy to improve their calendar: http://tweakers.net/video/7648/delftware-het-einde-van-de-statische-agenda.html16:52
charl_google could do great things like that considering all the "big data" they have already16:53
nlsthznoh wow, just asked for my photo's of screenshots and got all my desktop and android shots :)16:53
charl_very impressive, now you know it was coded by geeks ;)16:53
nlsthzn:p16:53
nlsthznah wait, not seeing the android ones... was mistaken16:54
nlsthznthen again I can't do much as 99% of anything google blocked by firewall16:54
nlsthznso I can only see the hightlights in the search stream, can't click on it16:55
charl_he?16:55
charl_firewall? are you in china?16:55
nlsthznanything over https is blocked.... no I am at work16:55
charl_you work in china?16:55
nlsthzneven searching my photo's and giving a time, last year or this year works...16:55
charl_:)16:56
nlsthznno16:56
nlsthzn:p16:56
charl_iran?16:56
nlsthznclose16:56
nlsthznvery close16:56
charl_ah, some arab country16:56
nlsthznlol, yes16:56
nlsthznam arab country with the word arab in the name16:56
nlsthzn;)16:56
charl_i hear in the uae even skype is blocked16:57
charl_i would think the uae would be better16:57
nlsthznskype now unblocked16:57
charl_i heard they do some stuff in saudi as well but i don't know much about it16:57
nlsthznand it was only blocked because of greed from the telecoms16:57
charl_oh i see16:57
nlsthznthey want you to pay to make phonecalls....16:58
nlsthzn80% of people here are expats so many calls out of the country = big bucks16:58
charl_greedy bastards they know a lot of people in the uae are foreigners with family outside16:58
charl_yup exactly16:58
charl_but hold on, does a vpn work?16:59
nlsthznsure, they do like to block sites but there is always a way16:59
nlsthznmy current issue is I am at work being blocked by the company ... not the country :p at home it is OK :p16:59
charl_wow ok17:00
charl_yeah i hear some companies are extremely restrictive and even install monitoring software on employee pcs17:00
charl_that is scary17:00
charl_i don't know if i could even work at a company like that17:00
nlsthznI work in a sensitive environment and seeing as the US is making all these scary viruses that target the middle east now I can understand the lockdown17:01
charl_oh i see, wow! really?17:01
charl_i heard about stuxnet but i didn't know they were making viruses17:01
nlsthznstuxnet and various others17:02
nlsthznone after stuxnet even more complex... cant remember the name17:02
charl_and we thought the usa would protect the world's freedom17:02
charl_this is severely disappointing17:02
nlsthznfrom there perspective they are I guess17:03
charl_keeping people free by oppressing them17:03
charl_makes sense to anyone :)17:03
nlsthzn:p17:03
charl_not that arab countries shouldn't also learn about freedom and individual rights17:04
charl_but two wrongs don't make a right17:04
charl_america is not being an example17:05
charl_i traveled to america twice, the first time in 2010 and then again in 201117:06
charl_the first time, when you enter the country, there were people standing around with big guns shouting at everyone17:06
charl_treating us like we are a bunch of animals17:06
charl_i don't think i ever felt so demoralised in my life17:06
charl_i can't believe this is the country of the free, it looks like a police state17:06
charl_after that i didn't want to go back, i was "coaxed" into going again in 2011 and it went a lot better17:07
nlsthznlet me say this, I have never felt safer in my life than I do here17:08
Kilosinetpro, ping17:08
Kiloswne jy darem man??17:09
charl_nlsthzn: yeah as long as you don't say the wrong things :P17:09
Kiloswen ook17:09
charl_if you do, then you "disappear" right?17:09
Kiloslol17:09
charl_frankly, i have never been to switzerland, but from what i've heard it isn't much better than america17:10
charl_you get almost harrassed at the border17:10
charl_but i have never been there so i can't speak of first hand experience17:11
charl_i'm not terribly keen either, i rather go to bavaria for a holiday17:11
Kilosgo sharks17:12
nlsthznKilos:grrrrrrrrr17:12
Kiloslol17:12
Kilosthey had a bad year man17:12
nlsthzncharl_: why would I say the wrong things... and no, it aint that bad :p17:13
nlsthznKilos:I hope their year continues to go bad for tonight at least :p17:13
charl_i was trying to make a point for freedom of speech :P17:13
charl_not an individual thing17:13
Kiloscharl_,  you just gotta eat lotsa dates and drink camel milk then you fine17:13
charl_lol17:13
Kilosnlsthzn, grrrrrr17:13
nlsthznSA got so much freedom of speech and what has that gotten us?!17:14
nlsthznGo BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!17:14
charl_the problems in .za has nothing to do with freedom of speech17:15
charl_freedom of speech does not make up for mass lack of education, corruption in the government, etc17:15
Kilosyay sharks17:15
Kilosfirst blood17:16
nlsthzngreat, lagging behind the game here I see...17:16
Kilos#ubuntu-za-rugger17:18
nlsthznI got tricked :p17:18
Kiloslol17:18
magespawngood evening all17:35
Kiloshi magespawn 17:35
Kiloswb17:35
Kilosany news from the fly?17:36
magespawnty i see we all in rugby mood tonight17:36
Kiloshehe17:36
magespawnno not yet17:36
Kiloshe surely must be overnighting somewhere17:36
Kilosi wish he would keep us informed17:37
Kilosso lekker the kyk weer ability17:38
magespawni have not checked my mail recently, but the other day he said it was 2.5 weeks till he was up this part of the world 17:40
Kilosya he sposed to attend an ubuntu hour or something in durbs17:40
Kilosbut dunno when and they not organised yet17:41
magespawnsometimes getting all the folks together is the biggest problem17:41
Kilosim think he was gonna spen a week or so on the south coast first\17:42
Kilosspend17:42
magespawnyup on the travel plans there are two stops on the way up here, and the wedding in between17:43
Kilossigh sharks making too many errors17:45
Kilosnlsthzn, voetsek17:46
nlsthznpressure!17:46
* Kilos cries17:47
nlsthznfor a SA team to have a chance of winning the cup we need to be as high up as possible on the table...17:48
Kilosoh ya but still17:48
Kiloscheetahs doing good though17:48
magespawnKilos 4017:49
Kilos4117:49
magespawnlooks like that number is pretty constant now17:49
Kilosyeah we growing at last17:49
Kilostaken years though17:50
Kiloshi georgelappies 17:50
magespawnah well, all good things come to those who wait17:51
Kiloslol17:51
georgelappieshi Kilos17:51
Kilosgeorgelappies, where are all your friends youve converted to ubuntu17:52
superflyohi17:52
Kilosohi superfly wb17:52
Kiloswhere you at?17:52
nlsthznsup superfly :)17:53
georgelappieslol, Kilos it is going slow. The games on windows is the big hold back...17:53
Kiloswe need a date from you when you will be in durbs so they can get the UH organised17:53
Kilosai!17:53
superflyKilos: Plettenberg Bay17:54
superflyKilos: the 2nd of June17:54
Kilosah you must drive careful please17:54
KilosVince-0, there you go17:55
superflyKilos: I am, believe you me17:55
Kilos2nd june17:55
superflySquirm: no, my SIII has always been super smooth17:55
Kilosthe roads in the transkei arent in good shape so extra careful there17:55
Kiloseither side is good17:56
superflyKilos: for the most part we're travelling on the N217:56
superflyso the roads should be fine. the only part we're not on the N2 is when we veer off just after East London for the overnight stay in Haga Haga17:57
Kilosah ty superfly 17:58
Kilosmagespawn, remember that17:58
superflygeorgelappies: most games run fine in WINE, and more and more titles are added to Steam for Linux daily (literally)18:02
superflyI'm so tired, it has been a long day18:02
Kilosai! rest man18:03
georgelappiessuperfly: cool, will check out what is on steam 18:05
georgelappieshow does wow, sc2 and d3 run in wine?18:05
nlsthznadiquite18:11
nlsthznif your drivers are up to date and working properly18:11
nlsthznbut it becomes hit and miss and that is why I am running windows on my desktop18:12
nlsthznnail bite game it seems uncle Kilos...18:47
Kiloswow yeah18:47
Kiloslotsa stress18:48
Kilosaw18:50
Kilosno more time for us sharks18:51
Kiloswhat a game hey nlsthzn 18:51
nlsthznI read all the highlights uncle Kilos but it sounded really tough...18:52
Kilosyeah whew18:52
nlsthznis it over?18:52
Kilosya18:52
Kilos18/1618:52
* Kilos cries18:52
nlsthznah ok... sorry about your team then uncle Kilos...18:52
Kiloslol18:53
nlsthzn:)18:53
nlsthznsorry :p18:53
Kilosthey completely tired me out18:53
Kilosnight guys . sleep tight18:53
nlsthznsucks when it gets so close at the end and you loose18:53
Kilosya18:54
Kilossee youall tomorrow18:54
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