[06:59]  * Kilos greets the weekenders
[07:35] <georgelappies> hiya Kilos 
[10:37] <charl_> good afternoon
[10:37] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[10:37]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:40] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[10:40] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:40] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[10:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!
[10:41] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[10:41] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[10:58] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[10:58] <Maaz> charl_: Sure
[10:58] <charl_> what happened to xdm on ubuntu 13.04
[10:58] <charl_> it seems to be kaput
[10:59] <charl_> it always used to work for me on old debian/ubuntu installations, haven't tried it on the latest debian yet though
[10:59] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[11:00] <Kilos> caput? in what way
[11:00] <Kilos> no gui?
[11:00] <charl_> completely defunct - something appears but i don't even see a space to enter username or password
[11:01] <charl_> no there is something running inside of x
[11:01] <charl_> tried it at work yesterday, unfortunately don't have a screenshot now to post
[11:01] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+f2 gives you what
[11:01] <Kilos> you mught need to disable the boot splash screen
[11:01] <Kilos> might
[11:02] <charl_> no there was no boot splash screen installed
[11:02] <charl_> it was an ubuntu server installation with xorg xdm and openbox installed
[11:02] <Kilos> so you cant even get to a terminal thing
[11:02] <charl_> no i can go to all the other terminals
[11:02] <charl_> ctrl+alt
[11:02] <Kilos> server?
[11:02] <Kilos> hehe
[11:02] <charl_> ctrl+alt+f1 or f2 etc
[11:02] <charl_> yes because that comes with no desktop installed
[11:03] <Kilos> why you installing a server then a gui?
[11:03] <charl_> it's the closest thing to debian "plain"
[11:03] <Kilos> when i wanted to the guys jumped on me
[11:03] <charl_> it's not a server, it's supposed to be a desktop
[11:03] <charl_> i just took the server iso because it has no gui installed
[11:03] <charl_> by default, i mean
[11:03] <Kilos> first install aptitude
[11:04] <charl_> so i can install my own packages as i want to later
[11:04] <charl_> what does aptitude have to do with it? sorry am not following
[11:04] <Kilos> then use aptitude to reinstall your gui stuff
[11:04] <charl_> ah i see, i heard aptitude has better dependency management than apt-get
[11:04] <Kilos> aptitude gives nice explanations of what needs fixing and removing
[11:05] <Kilos> i find it more user friendly
[11:05] <Kilos> and it accepts the reinstall command
[11:05] <Kilos> apt-get has to have --reinstall at the end
[11:06] <charl_> afaik aptitude is only better when removing packages, not when installing them, but i could be wrong
[11:06] <charl_> hmmmm not sure if that will fix it but i guess i could try
[11:06] <Kilos> no man its always better
[11:06] <charl_> well, apart from the user interface, but i don't care about that :)
[11:06] <Kilos> also it tells you what is missing and gives workarponds etc
[11:07] <charl_> ok i'll try it
[11:07] <charl_> strange thing is, i never used to have problems with this on older versions of some years ago
[11:07] <charl_> i am starting to get the idea that ubuntu is less "hacker friendly" than debian
[11:07] <charl_> in more ways than one
[11:07] <Kilos> maybe they done something with x
[11:08] <Kilos> i think i member something about it
[11:08] <charl_> i am strongly considering going back to debian though, especially after the release of debian 7
[11:09] <charl_> i took crunchbang for a spin the other day, also very impressive
[11:09] <Kilos> really
[11:09] <charl_> in fact, i might just go with that
[11:09] <Kilos> thats what the monkey uses
[11:10] <charl_> the monkey? i hope you're not talking about the politicians :)
[11:10] <Kilos> kbmonkey man
[11:10] <Kilos> the weenie
[11:10] <charl_> oh :)
[11:12] <charl_> the other thing i like about debian is javapackage for when you need to use the official oracle java instead of openjdk
[11:12] <charl_> they took it over in ubuntu 12.10 but the thing is broken, it creates a package which has the wrong "provides" for ubuntu
[11:13] <Kilos> i dunno! my 12.04 works in three flavours
[11:13] <charl_> meaning that if you install some other packages that depend on java, it will install openjdk alongside oracle java
[11:13] <Kilos> ah
[11:13] <charl_> then you first have to fix that by repackaging the generated package
[11:13] <charl_> i should try it in ubuntu 13.04, it's probably already fixed
[11:14] <charl_> but gah, i feel the world just needs to move to openjdk ;)
[11:16] <Kilos> hehe
[11:17] <Kilos> magespawn, did the gui install on a server but dunno what all he did
[11:17] <charl_> if you install a proper desktop package like ubuntu-desktop it should work fine
[11:17] <Kilos> oh you can also try aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <Kilos> hehe
[11:18] <charl_> yeah no i am trying to set up a minimalist desktop with only the components i need
[11:18] <charl_> so that's kind-of against the point :)
[11:18] <Kilos> then why didnt you do a minimal install
[11:18] <Kilos> like squirm does
[11:19] <charl_> how do you mean? that's what i'm trying to do :)
[11:19] <charl_> what did he do?
[11:19] <Kilos> lemme try find out
[11:19] <charl_> he/she
[11:19] <Kilos> 13.04 hey?
[11:19] <charl_> yes
[11:20] <Kilos> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[11:20] <charl_> no that's not the idea
[11:20] <charl_> "The Minimal CD will download packages from online archives at installation time instead of providing them on the install CD itself."
[11:21] <charl_> but then you still install the full desktop right?
[11:21] <Kilos> i dunno
[11:21] <Kilos> why not just install 13.04 as it comes?
[11:22] <charl_> i'm trying to cut down the footprint to the absolute minimum
[11:22] <charl_> standard ubuntu is too bloated
[11:22] <charl_> even kubuntu and xubuntu
[11:22] <charl_> lubuntu is probably the best but i want to go even smaller
[11:22] <charl_> it's for a VM
[11:22] <Kilos> isnt the gui thing gonna do that anyway
[11:22] <charl_> no i want to install the absolute minimum of gui components
[11:22] <charl_> you don't need much inside a VM
[11:23] <charl_> it's for something similar to what i did with DPR more than a year ago https://github.com/ushahidi/dpr/
[11:23] <charl_> except i want to use ubuntu instead of debian
[11:23] <charl_> and for a slightly different purpose
[11:25] <charl_> or like what i did here, but then inside a VM https://github.com/ushahidi/Ubuntu_MacBook_Pro_8.1/blob/master/openbox.sh
[11:25] <charl_> wow i used to work on some crazy stuff :)
[11:27] <Kilos> hehe you okes like hard work
[11:27] <Kilos> xubuntu is light
[11:28] <charl_> it's called having too much time on your hands :P
[11:28] <Kilos> no comparison with ubuntu and kubuntu
[11:28] <charl_> no i think i might just end up going with lubuntu
[11:28] <charl_> or just move back to debian and stick to crunchbang
[11:32] <Kilos> i find xubuntu very different with home on the desktop
[11:32] <charl_> i don't like xfce sorry
[11:32] <charl_> i just don't, personal thing
[11:32] <Kilos> and it showing all drives and partitions on the desktop
[11:33] <charl_> my ocd doesn't like a cluttered desktop ;)3;2~
[11:33] <charl_> wow what did i press to get that :S
[11:33] <charl_> i can't even reproduce it now
[11:38] <charl_> ok i need to go do some offline stuff
[11:38] <charl_> bbl
[11:41] <Kilos> hehe kubuntu got the cleanest desktop
[12:04] <Squirm> morning
[12:04] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[12:04] <Squirm> afternoon*
[12:06] <Squirm> charl_: I installed a minimal version of debian
[12:06] <Squirm> pekwm as my window manager
[12:06] <Squirm> PCManFM as my file manager
[12:06] <Squirm> tint2 as my panel
[12:07] <Squirm> now I just use Mint MATE. Gnome 2 was nice and uncluttered
[12:09] <Squirm> nice one chrome, just use up all my CPU as well. Like eating all my ram isn't bad enough
[12:09] <Kilos> hehe
[12:09] <Squirm> hmm
[12:09] <Squirm> it was my Facebook home page
[12:09] <Squirm> 350mb of RAM and 90%+ CPU usage
[12:10] <Squirm> opened it again and all seems well
[12:10] <Squirm> hmm
[12:26] <trender> the browser eats everything up man
[12:26] <trender> thats the main hog on the pc
[12:28] <Kilos> use empathy or opera
[12:36] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 
[12:37] <Vince-0> hi Kilos
[12:51] <Squirm> superfly: did your S3 slow down when you upgraded to 4.2.1?
[12:52] <Kilos> hi Guest9705 
[12:52] <Kilos> the fly is travelling Squirm 
[12:52] <Kilos> on his way to natal
[12:52] <Squirm> ooh
[12:52] <Squirm> what's he doing this side?
[12:53] <Kilos> holiday in a decent place
[12:53] <Kilos> with good weather
[12:56] <Kilos> i spose he will take a day or two to get there, i think hes stopping over on the way to cut the distance 
[12:59] <Squirm> where's he holidaying?
[12:59] <Squirm> durbs?
[12:59] <Kilos> south coast then durbs for an ubuntu hour then up to magespawn 
[13:08] <Squirm> cool
[13:08] <Squirm> whens ubuntu hour?
[13:09] <Kilos> i dunno you guys are supposed to be arranging it
[13:09] <Kilos> nuvolari, and some others
[13:09] <Squirm> ok
[13:36] <Squirm> I should read the list
[13:36] <Squirm> I get the digest but I never read it
[14:59] <Kilos> Vince-0, werent you involved with nuvolari in regard to an ubuntu hour there that the fly will attend
[15:02] <Vince-0> eyey
[15:03] <Kilos> so whats happening?
[15:03] <Vince-0> ya we talked about it, havn't got a scheduled, venue confirmed
[15:03] <Vince-0> I expect to speak with those peeps on Thursday
[15:03] <Kilos> well the fly has started his journey
[15:03] <Kilos> not sure when he will be there
[15:04] <Vince-0> I'll prod the kbmonkey and nuvolari 
[15:04] <Kilos> cool ty
[15:11] <charl_> Kilos: it depends on how you configure kubuntu but i feel kde has also been getting rather bloated, even though i am impressed with kde 4.10 overall
[15:11] <charl_> Squirm: i used openbox as my wm, thunar as my file manager and also tint2 as my panel
[15:12] <charl_> Squirm: i tried mint mate but i rather disliked it, never really was a big fan of gnome (ever), personally
[15:13] <charl_> ok responded to the backlog :)
[15:13] <charl_> was just out visiting a friend, she had an accident and is recovering at home right now
[15:26] <Squirm> nice thing about linux, you can choose whatever you want :) or make your own :P 
[15:26] <Squirm> charl_: she alright?
[15:27] <Squirm> Vince-0: would it be next weekend?
[15:27] <Squirm> meh, if it is I can't make it :/ RHCE exam on Friday
[15:28] <Kilos> try find out from the fly when he will get to durbs guys
[15:28] <charl_> Squirm: yeah it happened about 4 weeks ago, but it was a bad accident
[15:28] <charl_> will still take some time to recover from it :(
[15:29] <charl_> but re linux, yeah that's what i love about it too
[15:29] <Squirm> oh wow
[15:29] <Squirm> oooh, got the new Google maps :)
[15:31] <Vince-0> Squirm: I
[15:31] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[15:31] <nlsthzn> hoe lyk dit, hoe lyk dit?
[15:31] <Vince-0> 'm not sure - waiting on a venue plan
[15:35] <nlsthzn> hiya uncle Kilos :) how is SA today, slightly wintery or not yet?
[16:00] <Kilos> yeah cold
[16:15] <nlsthzn> sorry, technical issues
[16:17] <Kilos> np
[16:18] <Kilos> thats life nowadays
[16:18] <nlsthzn> welcome to the cloud
[16:18] <nlsthzn> previously known as the internet
[16:18] <Kilos> lol i dont do cloud stuff
[16:33] <Kilos> surely keeping stuff in cloud places isnt as safe as on your pc?
[16:34] <nlsthzn> until your hdd dies and you have nothing .... both have pro's and con's...
[16:34] <Kilos> oh if you only got one drive in pc ya
[16:35] <Kilos> im straining my poor pc here got three internal drives and maverick outside on one of them ide usb bridge thing
[16:35] <Kilos> s
[16:36] <nlsthzn> house burns down taking everything with it... and at the same time an earthquake buries a friends house where your other back-up drive is kept... and a fungis has killed all the dvd backups ....
[16:36] <Kilos> lol
[16:36] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:42] <charl_> how is that different from having something in the "cloud"
[16:42] <charl_> say you have a replication factor of 3
[16:42] <charl_> one data centre burns down, another one is buried in an earthquake, and the third one gets eaten by giant space aliens
[16:42] <Kilos> stuff in the cloud is more open to bad peeps methinks
[16:42] <Kilos> lol
[16:43] <charl_> just as stuff in your house is open to bad people if somebody breaks down the door and steals your stuff
[16:43] <Kilos> oh ya
[16:43] <Kilos> at least here i can swing a stick
[16:43] <charl_> lol yeah when you're at home yes
[16:43] <Kilos> and throw lead pills
[16:44] <charl_> lol, "pills"
[16:44] <charl_> i love that
[16:44] <charl_> a pill to cure any evil ;)
[16:44] <nlsthzn> charl_:that was the point I was trying to make... each has merit
[16:44] <charl_> yeah exactly
[16:44] <charl_> the thing is this, i want people to stop with this abstraction called the "cloud"
[16:44] <charl_> data still needs to be stored on physical devices
[16:45] <charl_> you can't keep n-copies of the data spread all over the world for free
[16:45] <Kilos> ya but no 3g costs when its on your pc
[16:45] <Kilos> cloud uses data 
[16:45] <Kilos> uncapped okes are fine
[16:45] <charl_> devices cost money to run and maintain, and they have to run in physical data centres etc
[16:47] <charl_> yeah 3g is too expensive and limited
[16:47] <charl_> that's why i love the eduroam "blanked"
[16:47] <charl_> "blanket" i mean
[16:47] <nlsthzn> the new google search is pretty epic... natural language search ftw :)
[16:47] <charl_> but we need something like that for outside of university environments too
[16:47] <charl_> nlsthzn: link?
[16:48] <nlsthzn> just did a search "my photos with people" and got a hit of my photo's on G+ with people in them :p
[16:48] <charl_> ah i see
[16:48] <charl_> does it work outside of g+ 
[16:48] <charl_> (i don't use it)
[16:49] <nlsthzn> afaik google only analysis photo's you have on G+
[16:49] <nlsthzn> the search with cats not working so well :/
[16:49] <charl_> it sounds cool though
[16:50] <nlsthzn> some of the things google busy with is awesome...
[16:50] <charl_> google should buy wolfram alpha or hire wolfram
[16:50] <nlsthzn> yeah wolfram also blows my mind daily :p
[16:52] <nlsthzn> nice to see the stormers getting a win...
[16:52] <charl_> here's another company they should buy to improve their calendar: http://tweakers.net/video/7648/delftware-het-einde-van-de-statische-agenda.html
[16:53] <charl_> google could do great things like that considering all the "big data" they have already
[16:53] <nlsthzn> oh wow, just asked for my photo's of screenshots and got all my desktop and android shots :)
[16:53] <charl_> very impressive, now you know it was coded by geeks ;)
[16:53] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:54] <nlsthzn> ah wait, not seeing the android ones... was mistaken
[16:54] <nlsthzn> then again I can't do much as 99% of anything google blocked by firewall
[16:55] <nlsthzn> so I can only see the hightlights in the search stream, can't click on it
[16:55] <charl_> he?
[16:55] <charl_> firewall? are you in china?
[16:55] <nlsthzn> anything over https is blocked.... no I am at work
[16:55] <charl_> you work in china?
[16:55] <nlsthzn> even searching my photo's and giving a time, last year or this year works...
[16:56] <charl_> :)
[16:56] <nlsthzn> no
[16:56] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:56] <charl_> iran?
[16:56] <nlsthzn> close
[16:56] <nlsthzn> very close
[16:56] <charl_> ah, some arab country
[16:56] <nlsthzn> lol, yes
[16:56] <nlsthzn> am arab country with the word arab in the name
[16:56] <nlsthzn> ;)
[16:57] <charl_> i hear in the uae even skype is blocked
[16:57] <charl_> i would think the uae would be better
[16:57] <nlsthzn> skype now unblocked
[16:57] <charl_> i heard they do some stuff in saudi as well but i don't know much about it
[16:57] <nlsthzn> and it was only blocked because of greed from the telecoms
[16:57] <charl_> oh i see
[16:58] <nlsthzn> they want you to pay to make phonecalls....
[16:58] <nlsthzn> 80% of people here are expats so many calls out of the country = big bucks
[16:58] <charl_> greedy bastards they know a lot of people in the uae are foreigners with family outside
[16:58] <charl_> yup exactly
[16:59] <charl_> but hold on, does a vpn work?
[16:59] <nlsthzn> sure, they do like to block sites but there is always a way
[16:59] <nlsthzn> my current issue is I am at work being blocked by the company ... not the country :p at home it is OK :p
[17:00] <charl_> wow ok
[17:00] <charl_> yeah i hear some companies are extremely restrictive and even install monitoring software on employee pcs
[17:00] <charl_> that is scary
[17:00] <charl_> i don't know if i could even work at a company like that
[17:01] <nlsthzn> I work in a sensitive environment and seeing as the US is making all these scary viruses that target the middle east now I can understand the lockdown
[17:01] <charl_> oh i see, wow! really?
[17:01] <charl_> i heard about stuxnet but i didn't know they were making viruses
[17:02] <nlsthzn> stuxnet and various others
[17:02] <nlsthzn> one after stuxnet even more complex... cant remember the name
[17:02] <charl_> and we thought the usa would protect the world's freedom
[17:02] <charl_> this is severely disappointing
[17:03] <nlsthzn> from there perspective they are I guess
[17:03] <charl_> keeping people free by oppressing them
[17:03] <charl_> makes sense to anyone :)
[17:03] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:04] <charl_> not that arab countries shouldn't also learn about freedom and individual rights
[17:04] <charl_> but two wrongs don't make a right
[17:05] <charl_> america is not being an example
[17:06] <charl_> i traveled to america twice, the first time in 2010 and then again in 2011
[17:06] <charl_> the first time, when you enter the country, there were people standing around with big guns shouting at everyone
[17:06] <charl_> treating us like we are a bunch of animals
[17:06] <charl_> i don't think i ever felt so demoralised in my life
[17:06] <charl_> i can't believe this is the country of the free, it looks like a police state
[17:07] <charl_> after that i didn't want to go back, i was "coaxed" into going again in 2011 and it went a lot better
[17:08] <nlsthzn> let me say this, I have never felt safer in my life than I do here
[17:08] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[17:09] <Kilos> wne jy darem man??
[17:09] <charl_> nlsthzn: yeah as long as you don't say the wrong things :P
[17:09] <Kilos> wen ook
[17:09] <charl_> if you do, then you "disappear" right?
[17:09] <Kilos> lol
[17:10] <charl_> frankly, i have never been to switzerland, but from what i've heard it isn't much better than america
[17:10] <charl_> you get almost harrassed at the border
[17:11] <charl_> but i have never been there so i can't speak of first hand experience
[17:11] <charl_> i'm not terribly keen either, i rather go to bavaria for a holiday
[17:12] <Kilos> go sharks
[17:12] <nlsthzn> Kilos:grrrrrrrrr
[17:12] <Kilos> lol
[17:12] <Kilos> they had a bad year man
[17:13] <nlsthzn> charl_: why would I say the wrong things... and no, it aint that bad :p
[17:13] <nlsthzn> Kilos:I hope their year continues to go bad for tonight at least :p
[17:13] <charl_> i was trying to make a point for freedom of speech :P
[17:13] <charl_> not an individual thing
[17:13] <Kilos> charl_,  you just gotta eat lotsa dates and drink camel milk then you fine
[17:13] <charl_> lol
[17:13] <Kilos> nlsthzn, grrrrrr
[17:14] <nlsthzn> SA got so much freedom of speech and what has that gotten us?!
[17:14] <nlsthzn> Go BULLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[17:15] <charl_> the problems in .za has nothing to do with freedom of speech
[17:15] <charl_> freedom of speech does not make up for mass lack of education, corruption in the government, etc
[17:15] <Kilos> yay sharks
[17:16] <Kilos> first blood
[17:16] <nlsthzn> great, lagging behind the game here I see...
[17:18] <Kilos> #ubuntu-za-rugger
[17:18] <nlsthzn> I got tricked :p
[17:18] <Kilos> lol
[17:35] <magespawn> good evening all
[17:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:35] <Kilos> wb
[17:36] <Kilos> any news from the fly?
[17:36] <magespawn> ty i see we all in rugby mood tonight
[17:36] <Kilos> hehe
[17:36] <magespawn> no not yet
[17:36] <Kilos> he surely must be overnighting somewhere
[17:37] <Kilos> i wish he would keep us informed
[17:38] <Kilos> so lekker the kyk weer ability
[17:40] <magespawn> i have not checked my mail recently, but the other day he said it was 2.5 weeks till he was up this part of the world 
[17:40] <Kilos> ya he sposed to attend an ubuntu hour or something in durbs
[17:41] <Kilos> but dunno when and they not organised yet
[17:41] <magespawn> sometimes getting all the folks together is the biggest problem
[17:42] <Kilos> im think he was gonna spen a week or so on the south coast first\
[17:42] <Kilos> spend
[17:43] <magespawn> yup on the travel plans there are two stops on the way up here, and the wedding in between
[17:45] <Kilos> sigh sharks making too many errors
[17:46] <Kilos> nlsthzn, voetsek
[17:46] <nlsthzn> pressure!
[17:47]  * Kilos cries
[17:48] <nlsthzn> for a SA team to have a chance of winning the cup we need to be as high up as possible on the table...
[17:48] <Kilos> oh ya but still
[17:48] <Kilos> cheetahs doing good though
[17:49] <magespawn> Kilos 40
[17:49] <Kilos> 41
[17:49] <magespawn> looks like that number is pretty constant now
[17:49] <Kilos> yeah we growing at last
[17:50] <Kilos> taken years though
[17:50] <Kilos> hi georgelappies 
[17:51] <magespawn> ah well, all good things come to those who wait
[17:51] <Kilos> lol
[17:51] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[17:52] <Kilos> georgelappies, where are all your friends youve converted to ubuntu
[17:52] <superfly> ohi
[17:52] <Kilos> ohi superfly wb
[17:52] <Kilos> where you at?
[17:53] <nlsthzn> sup superfly :)
[17:53] <georgelappies> lol, Kilos it is going slow. The games on windows is the big hold back...
[17:53] <Kilos> we need a date from you when you will be in durbs so they can get the UH organised
[17:53] <Kilos> ai!
[17:54] <superfly> Kilos: Plettenberg Bay
[17:54] <superfly> Kilos: the 2nd of June
[17:54] <Kilos> ah you must drive careful please
[17:55] <Kilos> Vince-0, there you go
[17:55] <superfly> Kilos: I am, believe you me
[17:55] <Kilos> 2nd june
[17:55] <superfly> Squirm: no, my SIII has always been super smooth
[17:55] <Kilos> the roads in the transkei arent in good shape so extra careful there
[17:56] <Kilos> either side is good
[17:56] <superfly> Kilos: for the most part we're travelling on the N2
[17:57] <superfly> so the roads should be fine. the only part we're not on the N2 is when we veer off just after East London for the overnight stay in Haga Haga
[17:58] <Kilos> ah ty superfly 
[17:58] <Kilos> magespawn, remember that
[18:02] <superfly> georgelappies: most games run fine in WINE, and more and more titles are added to Steam for Linux daily (literally)
[18:02] <superfly> I'm so tired, it has been a long day
[18:03] <Kilos> ai! rest man
[18:05] <georgelappies> superfly: cool, will check out what is on steam 
[18:05] <georgelappies> how does wow, sc2 and d3 run in wine?
[18:11] <nlsthzn> adiquite
[18:11] <nlsthzn> if your drivers are up to date and working properly
[18:12] <nlsthzn> but it becomes hit and miss and that is why I am running windows on my desktop
[18:47] <nlsthzn> nail bite game it seems uncle Kilos...
[18:47] <Kilos> wow yeah
[18:48] <Kilos> lotsa stress
[18:50] <Kilos> aw
[18:51] <Kilos> no more time for us sharks
[18:51] <Kilos> what a game hey nlsthzn 
[18:52] <nlsthzn> I read all the highlights uncle Kilos but it sounded really tough...
[18:52] <Kilos> yeah whew
[18:52] <nlsthzn> is it over?
[18:52] <Kilos> ya
[18:52] <Kilos> 18/16
[18:52]  * Kilos cries
[18:52] <nlsthzn> ah ok... sorry about your team then uncle Kilos...
[18:53] <Kilos> lol
[18:53] <nlsthzn> :)
[18:53] <nlsthzn> sorry :p
[18:53] <Kilos> they completely tired me out
[18:53] <Kilos> night guys . sleep tight
[18:53] <nlsthzn> sucks when it gets so close at the end and you loose
[18:54] <Kilos> ya
[18:54] <Kilos> see youall tomorrow